Clostridia

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In a message dated 13/05/2007 00:12:33 GMT Standard Time, JLJukoski@...

writes:

My son has clostridia. I am looking for something EFFECTIVE for

clostridia.

>>Why not look into Yasko stuff - Oxydrene, Bay Leaf and other herbs. Sacc

B and Culturelle for probios

Mandi in UK

[Guest guest]

> How can you find out that is not yeast is bad bacteria?

> What are some of the symptoms that your kids had when they had Clostridia?

> Do I need a test to confirm this or can I try a natural supplement and see if

it works? any idea?

Here is some info. I eliminated bad bacteria problems with OLE.

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

thanks Dana!!!

> > How can you find out that is not yeast is bad bacteria?

> > What are some of the symptoms that your kids had when they had Clostridia?

> > Do I need a test to confirm this or can I try a natural supplement and see

if it works? any idea?

>

>

> Here is some info. I eliminated bad bacteria problems with OLE.

>

> http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

> I saw some posts a while ago about which probiotics were best for

clostrida bacteria. It was sacc B. that people were using. Question if

clostrida is a bacteria, why not use OLE which , I understand is an

anti-bactieria?

I have used OLE, OoO, and Culturelle for bad bacteria issues.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Dr Shaw's book (you can find online here

(http://gplstoreonline.com/bookstore/AutismandPDD.pdf)

said the most effective way would be to use probiotics; he recommended

Culturelle (Lactobacillus GG). My son also has clostridia, and we've been using

Culturelle along with S. Boulardii.

Best,

Jingwen

>

> Andy and others who have been there:

> What is the best treatment for Clostridia? I heard Flagyl can cause

> neutropenia (low white count and we want to start chelation. So would it be

> better to try something like Culturelle? Any advice is appreciated? Thanks.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We use Culturelle.

I use OLE as well, for many reasons.

>

> Hi,

>

> I saw some posts a while ago about which probiotics were best for

clostrida bacteria. It was sacc B. that people were using. Question if

clostrida is a bacteria, why not use OLE which , I understand is an

anti-bactieria?

>

> PWC

>

[Guest guest]

The BEST thing for my daughter's clostridia problem has been Goldenseal. Get the

Goldenseal root from Vitacost. Also, Sacc B given with Culterelle works very

well. Goldenseal should be rotated every 2 to 3 weeks. Uva Ursi should be

rotated too. OLE works well for other bacteria like strep, it does nothing for

my daughter's clostridia.

>

> Hi,

>

> I saw some posts a while ago about which probiotics were best for

clostrida bacteria. It was sacc B. that people were using. Question if

clostrida is a bacteria, why not use OLE which , I understand is an

anti-bactieria?

>

> PWC

>

[Guest guest]

I am giving caprylic acid for my son's yeast...must it be rotated?

Every 2 weeks? Every 3 weeks?

TIA,

The BEST thing for my daughter's clostridia problem has been

Goldenseal. Get the Goldenseal root from Vitacost. Also, Sacc B given

with Culterelle works very well. Goldenseal should be rotated every 2

to 3 weeks. Uva Ursi should be rotated too. OLE works well for other

bacteria like strep, it does nothing for my daughter's clostridia.

>

> Hi,

>

> I saw some posts a while ago about which probiotics were best for clostrida

bacteria. It was sacc B. that people were using. Question if clostrida is a

bacteria, why not use OLE which , I understand is an anti-bactieria?

>

> PWC

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure if it has to be rotated that often.

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I saw some posts a while ago about which probiotics were best for clostrida

bacteria. It was sacc B. that people were using. Question if clostrida is a

bacteria, why not use OLE which , I understand is an anti-bactieria?

> >

> > PWC

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I just read that Clostridia bacteria lives when there is little or no oxyogen. 

Maybe HBOT helps with that.  Is there another way to do this? Maybe a vitiman

or supplement that can help put oxyogen into the cells and help the

clostrida?  Please let me know if I am way off track here...what do you all

think? 

PWC

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From: danasview <danasview@...>

Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 12:07:37 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Clostridia

 

> I saw some posts a while ago about which probiotics were best for clostrida

bacteria. It was sacc B. that people were using. Question if clostrida is a

bacteria, why not use OLE which , I understand is an anti-bactieria?

I have used OLE, OoO, and Culturelle for bad bacteria issues.

Dana

[Guest guest]

have you tried, Cell Food or food grade, hydrogen peroxide?

we also use bay leaf and ashwaganda supplements, to counter clostridia.

Dexter

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From: Concerned Parent <parentwithconcerns@...>

Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 11:11:38 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Clostridia

I just read that Clostridia bacteria lives when there is little or no oxyogen.

Maybe HBOT helps with that. Is there another way to do this? Maybe a vitiman or

supplement that can help put oxyogen into the cells and help the clostrida?

Please let me know if I am way off track here...what do you all think?

PWC

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From: danasview <danasview (DOT) com>

Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 12:07:37 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Clostridia

> I saw some posts a while ago about which probiotics were best for clostrida

bacteria. It was sacc B. that people were using. Question if clostrida is a

bacteria, why not use OLE which , I understand is an anti-bactieria?

I have used OLE, OoO, and Culturelle for bad bacteria issues.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I rotate all antifungals every 3 wks and feel my kid responds better this way.

Isa

Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel

[ ] Re: Clostridia

I'm not sure if it has to be rotated that often.

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I saw some posts a while ago about which probiotics were best for clostrida

bacteria. It was sacc B. that people were using. Question if clostrida is a

bacteria, why not use OLE which , I understand is an anti-bactieria?

> >

> > PWC

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, one last thing in the book " Bacteria for breakfast " , the author states

that L.Plantrum is better for fighting clostridia then L.GG and that

L.salivarius is better then l. plantrum.  I have tried L.Plantrum with good

results but he is getting sick of those chewables...I will try the L. Salivarius

at some point. I have read not sure if it was in the book or not , that

L.Salivarius grows 20 fold....very good at reproducing.

PWC

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From: Concerned <parentwithconcerns@...>

Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 10:04:24 AM

Subject: [ ] Clostridia

 

Hi,

Just wanted to bounce a couple thing I have learned about clostridia in hopes of

gathering more information to support or counter the information. I have read

that clostrdia and Bifidobacterium strain(Probiotics) compete for the same food

lactose. Currently I was just using cultrelle(L. GG) to treat the clostridia but

I have since added a bifidombacterium strains and I do notice a bit of a

difference in my son when I use both versus just using one.

Because clostridia feed on lactose, I was planning on adding a Lactose enzyme

which in theory should destroy the food source and help clear out some of the

problem.

Another thing I had read was that clostridia can maintain viable counts in the

presence of Phytic acid. My son is a peanutbutter- aholic which could mean high

numbers of phytic acid which I have read inhibits the absorption of zinc. My

adhd'r needs all the zinc he can get. So, I was thinking of adding the enzyme

phytase to break down the phtic acid and make the zinc more readily available.

Any thoughts?

http://www.horizonpress.com/ciim/v/v5/04.pdf

http://journals. cambridge. org/action/ displayFulltext? type=1 & fid= 879132 & jid=

BJN & volumeId= 80 & issueId= 02 & aid=879124

PWC

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Clostridia hasnt been an issue with my son, but pseudo aeruginosa has. I have

though, found something similar with the probiotics.

When we just supplemented with Bifidobacterium and Sacc B it didnt seem to make

a dent. However when we added acidolphus and Culturelle it really helped. The

acidolphus helped a bit and after the Culturelle, things really improved. No

more " call in the hazmat team " smelling BMs and BMs 2-3 times a day as opposed

to once a day with the addition of the acidolphus. Less tempermental.

Havent got any experience with the enzymes, but its certainly worth considering.

Karla

>

> Hi,

>

> Just wanted to bounce a couple thing I have learned about clostridia in

hopes of gathering more information to support or counter the information. I

have read that clostrdia and Bifidobacterium strain(Probiotics) compete for the

same food lactose. Currently I was just using cultrelle(L.GG) to treat the

clostridia but I have since added a bifidombacterium strains and I do notice a

bit of a difference in my son when I use both versus just using one.

>

> Because clostridia feed on lactose, I was planning on adding a Lactose

enzyme which in theory should destroy the food source and help clear out some of

the problem.

>

> Another thing I had read was that clostridia can maintain viable counts

in the presence of Phytic acid. My son is a peanutbutter-aholic which could

mean high numbers of phytic acid which I have read inhibits the absorption of

zinc. My adhd'r needs all the zinc he can get. So, I was thinking of adding the

enzyme phytase to break down the phtic acid and make the zinc more readily

available.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

>

> http://www.horizonpress.com/ciim/v/v5/04.pdf

>

>

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayFulltext?type=1 & fid=879132 & jid=BJN & v\

olumeId=80 & issueId=02 & aid=879124

>

> PWC

>

[Guest guest]

My seven year old son has major issues with Clostridia with symptoms including

motor/vocal tics, dark circles, and inappropriate behavior at school (spitting,

calling kids stupid, etc). I know that all of these symptoms sound like yeast

but I really think his yeast is under control. The reason I think this is

because when he is put of Flagyl all the symptoms go away and stay away.

Unfortunately, three to four weeks after his round of Flagyl is finished all of

these symptoms come back. I need any and all suggestions to help with Clostridia

overgrowth. I'm am going crazy!!! Also, his strep titers were checked and this

is not a strep issue.

Dayna

[Guest guest]

Is it possible that he has a parasitical infection since Flagyl works

temporarily?

>

> My seven year old son has major issues with Clostridia with symptoms including

motor/vocal tics, dark circles, and inappropriate behavior at school (spitting,

calling kids stupid, etc). I know that all of these symptoms sound like yeast

but I really think his yeast is under control. The reason I think this is

because when he is put of Flagyl all the symptoms go away and stay away.

Unfortunately, three to four weeks after his round of Flagyl is finished all of

these symptoms come back. I need any and all suggestions to help with Clostridia

overgrowth. I'm am going crazy!!! Also, his strep titers were checked and this

is not a strep issue.

>

> Dayna

>

[Guest guest]

We just had a discussion about this on the autism treatment board. One parent

found that adding bifiobacterium along with the culturelle helped with

clostridia. We had similar results dealing with pseudo aeruginosa. Bifido (we

used CP-1) and sacc b helped a little, but adding in culturelle and acidolphus

did the trick.

Karla

>

> Hi-

>

> Does anyone have any suggestions or dealing with Clostridia---beyond

> Culterelle, which we have been using for years and has not tackled the problem

for us.

> Our DAN! doc keeps prescribing vancomycin but the Clostridia just keeps

> coming back.

>

>

> Thanks-

> SJ

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My 8yo son with Aspergers also has PANDAS. His recent stool test showed 3+

clostridia, along with two kinds of strep. He did 10 days of flagyl and

suddenly started wanting to eat meat, and stopped complaining of leg pains.

Within 10 days of stopping flagyl, his meat eating is spotty and leg pains are

back. Also started getting conduct marks at school, which were zero prior, and

hating to go to school. Not really wanting to put him back on flagyl for 30

days, although I have the script sitting here, I found dairy free sacc B. I

gave him one on Thursday evening and he had a great day at school. No leg

pains, good attitude and conduct. So I'm giving that nightly now. Still pulse

the azithromax twice a week to keep strep in check.

However, the symptoms your son has sound more like when my kiddo has bad

bacteria, usually strep. A round of zithromax for 10 days knocks all that back,

along with some diflucan for yeast. I am struggling right now with keeping the

three (clostridia, strep and yeast) balanced out. Kill off the clostridia and

the strep increases. Perhaps that is what you are seeing now? Strep titers

would not be an indication in my son, as his titers are ALWAYS high (1600 last

year, 480 this year), but the stool test is my most accurate snapshot of what is

going on.

HTH>

Deana K.

>

> My seven year old son has major issues with Clostridia with symptoms including

motor/vocal tics, dark circles, and inappropriate behavior at school (spitting,

calling kids stupid, etc). I know that all of these symptoms sound like yeast

but I really think his yeast is under control. The reason I think this is

because when he is put of Flagyl all the symptoms go away and stay away.

Unfortunately, three to four weeks after his round of Flagyl is finished all of

these symptoms come back. I need any and all suggestions to help with Clostridia

overgrowth. I'm am going crazy!!! Also, his strep titers were checked and this

is not a strep issue.

>

> Dayna

>

[Guest guest]

Have you tried a version of the yeast detox diet? I say a version of it rather

than the actual detox itself because it's seems you get rid of it, then it comes

right back. All three of my kids have huge yeast issues. We did the three week

detox diet with two weeks of diflucan. Now we just stay on a version of the

detox... we allow a little more sugar, and ready made juices for school

lunch...otherwise we pretty much stick to the detox. Whenever we stray too far

off the protocol I see the behaviors in all three kids change. We're at that

point right now...oops. I blame Easter:) So we're going back to being more

restrictive for a week and see how it goes.

[Guest guest]

Oh boy can I tell you about symptoms:) All three of my kids have yeast issues

and they all three act slightly differently when experiencing overgrowth. Kid#1.

moody and mouthy...wwhich she usually is slightly because she's a teenager:) But

when the yeast is out of control she is extremely moody and mouthy. Then she

alternates into hyper active giggly mode, even when it's not appropriate to be

giggly. She also stops doing any kind of activity that takes effort...we even

have to fight her to shower. Kid#2. moody and mouthy slightly more extreme than

usual. Cries a lot and very easily (which is worth mentioning because he's an 11

year old boy...normally he wouldn't cry so much because he's trying to be

" manly " ). He gets this totally evil sinister laugh at inapropriate times. He

also gets way revved up and hyper. Kid #3. My NT baby totally takes on ADHD

behaviors. She can't pay attention, you can't get her attention, and she's

zooming at light speed. She cries a lot and is obstinate which 100% the oposite

of her usual behavior. It also makes her have a lot of nightime wakefulness.

[Guest guest]

Not that I am aware of, I use Kirkman brand, no filler, way better than

Thorne

Mandi in UK

In a message dated 16/04/2010 14:37:52 GMT Daylight Time,

karen@... writes:

Wait - sacc B has dairy in it??!!

[Guest guest]

to address this we used colodial silver with success; also colostrum from

kirkmans is supposed to help

________________________________

From: Tammy Kuhn <tkuhn1@...>

Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 10:12:42 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Clostridia

 

You could always try and parasite protocol too. Would not hurt. We did a 30 day

humaworm, which I need to do again! But yeast is always there. Until the body is

healed. Chelation I'm hoping and time, probiotics, enzymes, supplements and a

yeast protocol. I did Brainchild and now doing biotin and think we are doing

good.

Tammy

Re: Clostridia

Is it possible that he has a parasitical infection since Flagyl works

temporarily?

>

> My seven year old son has major issues with Clostridia with symptoms including

motor/vocal tics, dark circles, and inappropriate behavior at school (spitting,

calling kids stupid, etc). I know that all of these symptoms sound like yeast

but I really think his yeast is under control. The reason I think this is

because when he is put of Flagyl all the symptoms go away and stay away.

Unfortunately, three to four weeks after his round of Flagyl is finished all of

these symptoms come back. I need any and all suggestions to help with Clostridia

overgrowth. I'm am going crazy!!! Also, his strep titers were checked and this

is not a strep issue.

>

> Dayna

>

[Guest guest]

Where do you get dairy free sacc B? TIA.

Re: Clostridia

My 8yo son with Aspergers also has PANDAS. His recent stool test showed 3+

clostridia, along with two kinds of strep. He did 10 days of flagyl and suddenly

started wanting to eat meat, and stopped complaining of leg pains. Within 10

days of stopping flagyl, his meat eating is spotty and leg pains are back. Also

started getting conduct marks at school, which were zero prior, and hating to go

to school. Not really wanting to put him back on flagyl for 30 days, although I

have the script sitting here, I found dairy free sacc B. I gave him one on

Thursday evening and he had a great day at school. No leg pains, good attitude

and conduct. So I'm giving that nightly now. Still pulse the azithromax twice a

week to keep strep in check.

However, the symptoms your son has sound more like when my kiddo has bad

bacteria, usually strep. A round of zithromax for 10 days knocks all that back,

along with some diflucan for yeast. I am struggling right now with keeping the

three (clostridia, strep and yeast) balanced out. Kill off the clostridia and

the strep increases. Perhaps that is what you are seeing now? Strep titers would

not be an indication in my son, as his titers are ALWAYS high (1600 last year,

480 this year), but the stool test is my most accurate snapshot of what is going

on.

HTH>

Deana K.

>

> My seven year old son has major issues with Clostridia with symptoms including

motor/vocal tics, dark circles, and inappropriate behavior at school (spitting,

calling kids stupid, etc). I know that all of these symptoms sound like yeast

but I really think his yeast is under control. The reason I think this is

because when he is put of Flagyl all the symptoms go away and stay away.

Unfortunately, three to four weeks after his round of Flagyl is finished all of

these symptoms come back. I need any and all suggestions to help with Clostridia

overgrowth. I'm am going crazy!!! Also, his strep titers were checked and this

is not a strep issue.

>

> Dayna

>

[Guest guest]

Wait - sacc B has dairy in it??!!

On Apr 16, 2010, at 7:47 AM, w3m1@... wrote:

> Where do you get dairy free sacc B? TIA.

>

> Re: Clostridia

>

> My 8yo son with Aspergers also has PANDAS. His recent stool test showed 3+

clostridia, along with two kinds of strep. He did 10 days of flagyl and suddenly

started wanting to eat meat, and stopped complaining of leg pains. Within 10

days of stopping flagyl, his meat eating is spotty and leg pains are back. Also

started getting conduct marks at school, which were zero prior, and hating to go

to school. Not really wanting to put him back on flagyl for 30 days, although I

have the script sitting here, I found dairy free sacc B. I gave him one on

Thursday evening and he had a great day at school. No leg pains, good attitude

and conduct. So I'm giving that nightly now. Still pulse the azithromax twice a

week to keep strep in check.

>

> However, the symptoms your son has sound more like when my kiddo has bad

bacteria, usually strep. A round of zithromax for 10 days knocks all that back,

along with some diflucan for yeast. I am struggling right now with keeping the

three (clostridia, strep and yeast) balanced out. Kill off the clostridia and

the strep increases. Perhaps that is what you are seeing now? Strep titers would

not be an indication in my son, as his titers are ALWAYS high (1600 last year,

480 this year), but the stool test is my most accurate snapshot of what is going

on.

>

> HTH>

>

> Deana K.

>

>

> >

> > My seven year old son has major issues with Clostridia with symptoms

including motor/vocal tics, dark circles, and inappropriate behavior at school

(spitting, calling kids stupid, etc). I know that all of these symptoms sound

like yeast but I really think his yeast is under control. The reason I think

this is because when he is put of Flagyl all the symptoms go away and stay away.

Unfortunately, three to four weeks after his round of Flagyl is finished all of

these symptoms come back. I need any and all suggestions to help with Clostridia

overgrowth. I'm am going crazy!!! Also, his strep titers were checked and this

is not a strep issue.

> >

> > Dayna

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

> My seven year old son has major issues with Clostridia with symptoms including

motor/vocal tics, dark circles, and inappropriate behavior at school (spitting,

calling kids stupid, etc). I know that all of these symptoms sound like yeast

but I really think his yeast is under control. The reason I think this is

because when he is put of Flagyl all the symptoms go away and stay away.

OLE and Culturelle worked to eliminate bad bacteria problems here.

Spitting at my house meant carnitine deficiency.

Dana