Re: anyone use Enzymedica/ trienza/combinations - longish

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>>> , What are your thoughts on Trienza?

Appears to be a fine broad-spectrum enzyme product. Note a serving is 2

capsules, not 1

capsule, to get all the enzyme activities listed on the label. So there is not

much difference

in taking 1 Peptizyde and 1 Zyme Prime or 2 capsules of Trienza. The dosing is

divided out

differently. Of course, most companies already have some type of all-in-one

broad-

spectrum product. Most of the robust ones for autism also say 2 capsules /

serving for a

full dose. Digest Gold, however, lists 1 capsule per serving.

So when doing cost comparisons with any products, remember to factor in the

number of

capsules per serving. In the grand scheme of things, you want to get whatever is

working

the best for you. However, since I have not been able to get a money-tree to

grow in my

backyard, and we have several people taking enzymes, cost is a consideration on

some

level.

The advantage of an all-in-one enzyme product, and why other companies have

traditionally done this, is because if you are having a snack or small amount of

food, you

can give 1 capsule and get some of all the different types of enzymes, instead

of having to

give capsules from 2 or 3 different products to get all the different types of

enzymes.

Giving more capsules of an all-in-one increases the doses of all enzyme across

the board.

In the case of HNI products, this meant that if a child had a snack, the parent

may have

felt they HAD to give 1 Peptizyde, 1 Zyme Prime, and possibly 1 No-Fenol just to

eat a

snack. Since the zyme didn't have the gluten/casein enzymes in it, you generally

had to

give at least two products, 1 Peptizyde and 1 Zyme Prime. With Trienza, you can

give 1

capsule and still get some gluten/casein protease activity in there. In this

case, the all-in-

one is an advantage, just like all the other all-in-one enzyme products have

this

advantage.

The disadvantage of an all-in-one, is the same basic reason. If you ONLY want to

increase

or decrease some particular enzyme in the mix, you have to increase or decrease

all the

enzymes proportionately. For example, if you really want additional

gluten-casein activity,

you have to give lots more Trienza capsules just to get the proteases up. OR if

the child is

flipping out and extra hyper/distressed because the protease levels are too high

initially,

you have to decrease ALL the enzymes in the Trienza just to get the levels of

proteases

down. In this case, the all-in-one is a disadvantage, just like all the other

all-in-one

enzyme products have this disadvantage.

As far as all-in-one / broad-spectrum products go, there are other all-in-one

products

with 2 capsules per dose that have unique features which makes them definitely

worth

consideration. Klaire's Vital-Zyme Complete has a bonus in that it was one of

the first

added gluten-casein DPP IV protease blend, no fruity-enzymes, AND lysozyme to

help

control pathogens, and serratiopeptidase! Lysozyme can be very beneficial

however is

associated with egg whites. If you have allergy to eggs, better look at

something else.

http://www.klaire.com/K-VZM_proddetail.htm

Kirkman's MAXIMUM Complete (not the other enzyme completes) has the added bonus

of

the Isogest stuff which has been reported to help with carb intolerances for

whatever

reason, and it also has the gluten-casein DPP IV protease blend, and (finally!)

no fruity-

enzymes. I am making an issue here of the Maximum because for a long time

Kirkman

used more fruit-derived enzymes than most companies, including actinidin, which

seems

a little odd when working with a target audience that has high levels of

sensitivities to

these ingredients. The Maximum does not have these. So, even if you are using a

Kirkman

general enzyme and happy with the results, try at least 1 bottle of the Maximum

the next

time around to see if this may give even a little better results.

http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/enzymes/MaxSpecZym.html

It also appears that the Trienza has some misleading, at best, descriptions -

which can be

a pain or hassle-factor when vendors do this. The site advertises " no fillers "

several times,

yet the bottle clearly lists MCT in the ingredient list in the capsule. Whether

you want to

word-play over

fillers/excipients/enhancers/in-the-primary-product-vs-in-the-capsule

or whatever, there is extra " stuff " in the capsule that is not an enzyme.

And this is the point parents are interested in: what is in the product that my

child might

react to? Yes, there IS extra stuff, MCT, in the capsule.

By the way, the Maximum also has the MCT and they do not claim the product has

" no

fillers. " MCT has only come up as an issue if you have a particular sensitivity

or allergy to

coconut or related fat. It is generally considered a very tame filler. Klaire's

product lists L-

leucine. Klaire's disclosure goes so far as to list the water that is part of

all capsules as an

ingredient!

Enzymedica's products truly have NO fillers. Nada, Nothing. Just enzymes in a

capsule.

That's it. Is costs more to achieve that, but contributes to some sensitive

people being able

to use those products where they have problems with other ones. The fillers

issue may not

be a deal-breaker for many people, but if you are highly sensitive person, it

can mean the

entire difference between success with enzymes or not being able to use them at

all - and

thus, miss out on a very important gut-healing measure.

This is one reason that Lacto is an awesome " best bet " enzyme product to start

with when

you have really bad gut injury or are very sensitive. You skip any potential

issues with

fillers. Later on with gut healing this tends to be less of an issue.

Another point is Trienza advertises the " Cellulase enzyme was not added to this

product so

you don't have to worry about using TriEnza with time-released medications. "

This has

been discussed before. There IS cellulase activity in the product particularly

due to

xylanase and other hemi-cellulases. And this does *not* mean you can be

worry-free with

time-released medications. [several enzyme manufacturers are now looking into

this

specific issue and I will post anything as soon as I know it.]

The thing is, the product can be sold as a regular broad-spectrum product

without having

to bring up the " no filler " or cellulase issues, and thus introduce doubt

overall with

unnecessary items to the marketing pitch. It makes it necessary to have to

double-check

every claim on every product.

I hope this gives various aspects to consider on any type of enzyme product.

As for giving two capsules per meal, you can also consider giving 1 capsule of a

broad-

spectrum product and 1 of a specialty-targeted product for your particular

needs. For

example, if it is gluten/casein, consider a broad-spectum plus a

gluten/casein-targeting

enzymes. Or if it is carbohydrates, consider a broad-spectrum plus some heavier

on

carbs. For fat digestion, make the second capsule one of the high lipase enzymes

mentioned previously in this group.

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