Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 > My 4.5 yr old child with ASD is on the SCD diet and a whole lot of > supplements. He is also on natural yeast control agents as well as > nizoral added last week. He was doing doing very well behaviorally > but since past 3 days, he has dark circles under the eyes and also is > having mood swings Dark circles are commonly associated with phenol issues http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm Mood swings can be phenols, other foods, or yeast overgrowth http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm >> and does not want to do anything except fixate on > the alphabet or numbers the whole day. Also, his hand flickering > which had completely disappeared in the past few months with biomed > interventions, has come back, although it is infrequent. This can be viral or yeast overgrowth. >> The only > supplement I added last week was P5P P5P tends to cause problems for kids with phenol issues, and it also tends to increase yeast. > I was wondering if it is possible to have a negative reaction to P5P > or Mg citrate? As far as I have read, p5P is supposed to help all the > kids on the spectrum! Most kids need more B6, and P5P is the more absorbable version. But for kids with phenol issues, you usually need to address that before they can tolerate B6/P5P. And you usually do need to increase the yeast protocol when giving it. > I stopped the P5P the very next day after his behaviors changed, but > he has not improved yet in the past 3 days. Increase the yeast protocol. > Has this happened with anyone els's child? Please let me know. My son > is also intolerant to glutathione, Glut also tends to increase yeast, and many kids don't need it anyway. >>and the virastop treatment helped > him a lot, if that info helps. It means he is a viral kid. Try giving vitamin C and lysine. Viral die off does tend to increase yeast, so do watch for that also. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 I agree that what you're describing sounds a lot like yeast die-off, could be from the Nizoral you started last week? Have you tried giving activated charcoal to see if it helps? I also recently started my son on P5P and he did have a bad reaction to it, so I stopped and the reaction immediately went away. Basically, I got excited and gave him the full dose right off without working up slowly- it made him really " edgy " and he woke up screaming at night. I will be starting him again with a tiny dose and working up. Your son's issue sounds more like yeast to em, though. -Sierra > > Hi, > > My 4.5 yr old child with ASD is on the SCD diet and a whole lot of > supplements. He is also on natural yeast control agents as well as > nizoral added last week. He was doing doing very well behaviorally > but since past 3 days, he has dark circles under the eyes and also is > having mood swings and does not want to do anything except fixate on > the alphabet or numbers the whole day. Also, his hand flickering > which had completely disappeared in the past few months with biomed > interventions, has come back, although it is infrequent. The only > supplement I added last week was P5P and also since Magnesium > glycinate bottle was empty, I started him on a new bottle, which I > realized was Magnesium Citrate and not glycinate as before. Apart > from these 2 things, nothing has changed in his diet/supplements the > past couple of weeks. > > I was wondering if it is possible to have a negative reaction to P5P > or Mg citrate? As far as I have read, p5P is supposed to help all the > kids on the spectrum! > I stopped the P5P the very next day after his behaviors changed, but > he has not improved yet in the past 3 days. > Has this happened with anyone els's child? Please let me know. My son > is also intolerant to glutathione, and the virastop treatment helped > him a lot, if that info helps. > It is devastating to see him regress so badly in few days after > having come such a long way in the past 8 months. > > Thanks so much. > Rohini > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 My daughter reacted horribly to P5P. --- In , " rohi_03 " <rohi_03@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > My 4.5 yr old child with ASD is on the SCD diet and a whole lot of > supplements. He is also on natural yeast control agents as well as > nizoral added last week. He was doing doing very well behaviorally > but since past 3 days, he has dark circles under the eyes and also is > having mood swings and does not want to do anything except fixate on > the alphabet or numbers the whole day. Also, his hand flickering > which had completely disappeared in the past few months with biomed > interventions, has come back, although it is infrequent. The only > supplement I added last week was P5P and also since Magnesium > glycinate bottle was empty, I started him on a new bottle, which I > realized was Magnesium Citrate and not glycinate as before. Apart > from these 2 things, nothing has changed in his diet/supplements the > past couple of weeks. > > I was wondering if it is possible to have a negative reaction to P5P > or Mg citrate? As far as I have read, p5P is supposed to help all the > kids on the spectrum! > I stopped the P5P the very next day after his behaviors changed, but > he has not improved yet in the past 3 days. > Has this happened with anyone els's child? Please let me know. My son > is also intolerant to glutathione, and the virastop treatment helped > him a lot, if that info helps. > It is devastating to see him regress so badly in few days after > having come such a long way in the past 8 months. > > Thanks so much. > Rohini > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 My DS doc put him on P5P because his oxylates were high. At first he had some issues with it ... caused horrible behaviors and sand like poop. When I inquired more about it ... those were all signs of dumping oxalates... So perhaps the reason your child is having issues with P5P is their oxylates are too high??? In time things got a whole lot better for my son. I back his doseage down and worked up and now he very successfully takes his P5P and his oxylates are now down to normal. It has been a good supplement. Melinda > > > > Hi, > > > > My 4.5 yr old child with ASD is on the SCD diet and a whole lot of > > supplements. He is also on natural yeast control agents as well as > > nizoral added last week. He was doing doing very well behaviorally > > but since past 3 days, he has dark circles under the eyes and also is > > having mood swings and does not want to do anything except fixate on > > the alphabet or numbers the whole day. Also, his hand flickering > > which had completely disappeared in the past few months with biomed > > interventions, has come back, although it is infrequent. The only > > supplement I added last week was P5P and also since Magnesium > > glycinate bottle was empty, I started him on a new bottle, which I > > realized was Magnesium Citrate and not glycinate as before. Apart > > from these 2 things, nothing has changed in his diet/supplements the > > past couple of weeks. > > > > I was wondering if it is possible to have a negative reaction to P5P > > or Mg citrate? As far as I have read, p5P is supposed to help all the > > kids on the spectrum! > > I stopped the P5P the very next day after his behaviors changed, but > > he has not improved yet in the past 3 days. > > Has this happened with anyone els's child? Please let me know. My son > > is also intolerant to glutathione, and the virastop treatment helped > > him a lot, if that info helps. > > It is devastating to see him regress so badly in few days after > > having come such a long way in the past 8 months. > > > > Thanks so much. > > Rohini > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Thanks so much Melinda, I think you're right! My son does have high oxalates, so it probably is dumping. That helps things make so much more sense. -Sierra > > My DS doc put him on P5P because his oxylates were high. At first he > had some issues with it ... caused horrible behaviors and sand like > poop. > > When I inquired more about it ... those were all signs of dumping > oxalates... > > So perhaps the reason your child is having issues with P5P is their > oxylates are too high??? > > In time things got a whole lot better for my son. I back his > doseage down and worked up and now he very successfully takes his P5P > and his oxylates are now down to normal. > > It has been a good supplement. > > Melinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Hi Rohini This group is dedicated to reducing oxalate issues Trying_Low_Oxalates/ hth Kath > > Thanks to all for your input. My child unfortunately has regressed so > much and is only coming back very very slowly although it has been so > many days since we stopped p5p. His OAT results shows hat he has no > yeast issues at this point, and he is on biotin, candidase, nizoral and > no-fenol anyway. > I am still clueless as to how the p5p made him regrss so badly, he is > so fixated, irritable and cannot focus at all, and also his language > has clearly regressed. Anyone have suggestions on how to help him get > back to where he was. > The oxalate issue is interesting and I would like to learn more about > that. How did you find out that your kid was dumping oxalates. Is there > a test for it? > > Rohini > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 > > Thanks to all for your input. My child unfortunately has regressed so > much and is only coming back very very slowly although it has been so > many days since we stopped p5p. His OAT results shows hat he has no > yeast issues at this point, and he is on biotin, candidase, nizoral and > no-fenol anyway. Add some magnesium. Both P5P and biotin tend to deplete magnesium. You can also give him an epsom salt bath, see if that helps. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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