Re: tooth decay... completely desperate

[Guest guest]

Epsom salt doesn't chelate (meaning pull heavy metals) it detoxes (meaning it

pulls out crud from oxidative stress)  they are two different things

altogether.

nancy j

From: Yarkoni <tanya.yarkoni@...>

Subject: Re: Re: tooth decay... completely desperate

Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 6:54 PM

 

 

do you think epsom salt chelation might equally be stripping calcium from my

daughter?

i am not giving her calcium but she gets lots of nut milks. i think ghee is

interesting.  

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From: m_jhouston333 <m_jhouston333@...>

Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 7:39:53 PM

Subject: Re: tooth decay... completely desperate

 

Yes, we are CF. But we started just the past few days to add a lot of Ghee and

butter oil to his foods and added calcium citrate. Hopefully that will help.

I know he is having trouble absorbing. So even if we add calcium he may not be

absorbing it.

> >>

> >>>> The bottom front teeth look on the verge of losing most of the enamel.

> >>>>

> >> Is it decay, or demineralization?

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> >>>> He gets multivitamins and enzymes along with b12, b complex, CLO, calcium

and probably a few other things.

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> >> What are you doing for yeast protocol?

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> >>

> >>> Has anyone else had issues with teeth and if so does anyone have any

suggestions on how we can help stop the tooth damage?

> >>>

> >> For my son, it was demineralization caused by improper absorption of

minerals [calcium toxic, because the calcium was not absorbed, etc]. He required

chelation and several supplements for proper calcium absorption.

> >>

> >> Dana

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[Guest guest]

>

> nut milks do not contain calcium. they are only called milk because they

> are white. They have nothing else in common with milk.

>

> I put epsom salts in the bath. They are magnesium sulphate. I don't

> think they chelate.

>

> Sally

>

>

This depends on whether or not they are enriched. My family is on enriched

almond milk so it has as much calcium as cow milk.

[Guest guest]

and Sally,

Matching the calcium in cow's milk cannot make up for the amount of oxalate in

almond milk that ties up any of the calcium in the product and makes it where it

cannot be absorbed. This also would also makes it where other calcium taken at

the same time may not be absorbed.

The best way to understand this problem is to read the studies where scientists

ADDED spinach to a diet that was " complete " in the RDA for rat calcium.

Spinach, like almonds, contains a lot of oxalate in it that will bind the REST

of the calcium eaten at the same time. These studies have pictures of the teeth

in cross section showing that they are not properly calcified. They described

the bones of these rats, saying they were flexible because they did not contain

enough calcium. Many of the rats died and they couldn't grow properly. They

were not able to reproduce.

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/reprint/18/3/233.pdf

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/reprint/17/6/557.pdf

On the reproductive side, 26% of the fetal losses in cattle monitored by autopsy

were found to have oxalate built up in tissues.

When you are born, your bones are only limitedly calcified. Over time, the

level of calcium in bones and teeth increases until the bones contain 99% of the

calcium in the body. The bones, not the diet, are the source of the calcium the

body uses when circulating calcium gets low. 80% of the calcium in the diet

stays in the stool!

That's normal.

Childhood is a terrible time to compromise this system by introducing or

encouraging a child to eat high oxalate foods!

At any rate, when oxalate gets in the blood because of a leaky gut, free oxalate

circulates and it gets in the organ systems of the body, creating a lot of

havoc. This is likely why we see so many improvements in children with autism

in global areas when they reduce the oxalate in the diet.

We've had mothers tell us that when they came to the listserve on the low

oxalate diet (Trying_Low_Oxalates ), and their children's teeth

were gray or yellow, showing lack of calcification, as the child detoxed from

oxalate by lowering their exposure to oxalate in food, the teeth turned white!

On our listserve, I put the pictures a dentist sent me of a child in his

practice whose teeth were cratered all over with very obvious holes. I asked

him to have the mother send me what this child ate during a week, and when I got

the listing, this child ate chocolate at almost every meal and snack. Chocolate

(and carob) are very high in oxalate.

This is one of the big dangers of diets that INCREASE the consumption of oxalate

from milk substitutes, or from certain gluten free grains like amaranth, quinoa

or buckwheat or from high oxalate vegetables and fruit like spinach, " field

greens " , swiss chard, rhubarb, beets, sweet potatoes, other potatoes, star

fruit, and kiwifruit, or from herbs like milk thistle and from almost all nuts

and almost all dried beans. Sesame seed (so tahini) and poppy seeds are

extremely high.

Almond milk, rice milk, soy milk, hemp milk, potato milk...they are all very

high in oxalate. Coconut milk and chestnut milk are exceptions.

Nestles became concerned about this due to their production of soy formulas for

babies, so they did a study comparing all the different kinds of formulas (milk,

soy or otherwise) to breastmilk. They said they found a full range of oxalate

content in both formulas and in breastmilk. The interpretation of their

findings suggests that if mom is eating spinach and other high oxalate foods,

then the baby she is nursing is also getting the oxalate. Of course, we also

know it crosses the placenta.

We have more than three thousand people on our listserve for those trying to

reduce the oxalate in their diet. Most listmates are also gluten free, so we

have gone at great lengths to test the foods that are gluten free and casein

free to be sure we know how much oxalate is coming from these sources. That

information is available on our listserve and we would love to help anyone who

wants to get more information on this.

Also, we have a website that is not as updated (we're trying but I'm SO BUSY!)

but the food lists on that site have been helpful to people doing a lot of

different diets. To see that, look at www.lowoxalate.info and check the button

for the food lists.

I hope this helps.

Oh, and sulfate CAN chelate calcium, but only after it separated from the

magnesium. This is more a concern when there is sulfate wasting into the urine

and that is more likely to be sulfate that is produced endogenously (by your

body).

Oxalate chelates virtually all the positively charged ions because it has two

available negative charges on two of its four oxygen molecules. Oxalate, once

in the body, actually tends to surround these minerals, forming a shell around

them that is also surrounded by water. This can also be a big issue for

magnesium, zinc, copper, manganese, and iron chemistry. Oxalate disrupts iron

metabolism in three ways.

(Head of the Autism Oxalate Project at ARI)

> >

> > nut milks do not contain calcium. they are only called milk because they

> > are white. They have nothing else in common with milk.

> >

> > I put epsom salts in the bath. They are magnesium sulphate. I don't

> > think they chelate.

> >

> > Sally

> >

> >

> This depends on whether or not they are enriched. My family is on enriched

almond milk so it has as much calcium as cow milk.

>

[Guest guest]

Dana,

I am in the same boat, but did a test and found out that my son has a good range

of Vitamin K(940) and so I am scared to supplement it, what do you think?

Again, I think he is not digesting Fatty acids properly, any advice?

thanks,

Sasmita

> > Did your son's teeth improve or at least stop demineralizing? What

supplements did you give for helping calcium absorption?

>

>

> I eliminated my son's demineralization and I re-mineralized his teeth. My son

required magnesium, vitamin D, vitamin K, and lysine for proper absorption of

calcium.

>

> For many children, they have lead in their teeth instead of calcium. If that

is true for your child, you may need to chelate the lead first. DMSA works well

to eliminate lead, and then you use the supps listed above for proper absorption

of calcium.

>

> The body only absorbs about 300-350mg calcium at any one time, so give it

multiple times during the day, along with the supps above. [Your child may not

need all the supps that my son needed.]

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

> Dana,

> I am in the same boat, but did a test and found out that my son has a good

range of Vitamin K(940) and so I am scared to supplement it, what do you think?

Never be " scared " . But, always be " cautious " .

Try a low dose, like 25-50mg. When I started, I used 1/4 of the recommended

dose on the bottle.

> Again, I think he is not digesting Fatty acids properly, any advice?

Mito cocktail worked for my son [which included vitamin K for my son, but you

can leave out anything your child doesn't need].

http://www.danasview.net/mar05.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

Products that are " enriched " with calcium usually use calcium carbonate, which

is a form that is only minimally absorbed by the human body if at all. It

shouldn't be counted towards calcium intake.

-Sierra

> >

> > nut milks do not contain calcium. they are only called milk because they

> > are white. They have nothing else in common with milk.

> >

> > I put epsom salts in the bath. They are magnesium sulphate. I don't

> > think they chelate.

> >

> > Sally

> >

> >

> This depends on whether or not they are enriched. My family is on enriched

almond milk so it has as much calcium as cow milk.

>