Re: Starting Biotin, questions, Dana?

[Guest guest]

Oh, I forgot to mention, but my excema has been through the roof. My

poor face looks horrid and I've even had some acne. I'm assuming this

is die-off, but I'm worried that it might also be my liver not

handling the large amounts of biotin. Thoughts?

My son's lips have been very chapped and bleeding, which I think can

be a yeast thing too, right?

I think we might need more B vitamins overall, but I'm afraid to

supplement because of b vitamins feeding yeast. Should I wait until we

are on a therapeutic dose of biotin before trying to add in a

B-complex vitamin? Or just start it now?

Okay, I'm sorry for the gazillion questions. We are getting so close

to the finish line and I really want to iron out these last issues...

K

>

> Hello all. We recently started taking Biotin because I'm sick and

> tired of yeast flares. It is time to address this finally. We are good

> on the bacteria front, I believe, but yeast keeps rearing its ugly

> head and the hyperactivity, silliness, and verbal stimming comes back.

> (and my fatigue comes back)

>

> We started at 400 mcg a day and now we are up to 5 mg of biotin a day

> and take 400 mg of magnesium glycinate (we plan on working up to 800

> if needed). Every time I increase the amount of biotin, it has brought

> an increase in yeast behaviors followed by improvements and then

> eventually relapse if I didn't then increase again. Is this the normal

> pattern? What should I be looking for or expecting? It has not been so

> bad so far that I needed to use die-off measures like charcoal or

> anything. We do use magnesium/zinc sulfate cream nightly though.

>

> I have read in the past posts that I can go up to 20 mg a day. How

> will I know how high to go? How will I know when I reach a good

> therapeutic dose?

>

> Once I reach a good therapeutic dose, how long do I stay there and how

> will I know?

>

> What is a good maintenance dose after we back down from the

> therapeutic dose? Any tips on figuring this out?

>

> Can biotin alone be enough to tackle yeast if the problem isn't

> extremely severe? We were thinking of adding in No-Fenol but haven't

> yet. Should I just wait and see if the Biotin turns out to be enough?

> Would the No-Fenol be helpful even if I don't add something like GSE?

>

> Some background info on my son, he is about 98% recovered from

> Asperger's/ADHD as long as we stick to a strict SCD diet with almost

> all fruit, fruit juice, and honey removed. I would like to tackle the

> yeast issue once and for all so that we can tolerate moderate amounts

> of fruit and honey someday.

>

> Thank you in advance for your help! You have been very helpful in the

> past and I really appreciate the time you take to help moms like me. :-)

>

> K

>

[Guest guest]

IMO, it's more likely your kidneys are'nt handling this well and are overloaded.

I never see any mention of dietary changes mentioned and water intake, are you

folks ok with that? and what enzymes are you taking that is not addressing the

yeast problem?

in my practice, by changing the diet and giving the right digestive enzymes,

water (not juice, coffee etc.) the biotin is acting as a drug and running organ

metabolic systems either too fast, too slow or out of time with need. the right

enzyme blend would help digest the substrates (protein, fats, and

carbohydrates) and change the pH of the bowel to keep candida at bay. a good

probiotic would be taken between meals so the stomach doesn't initiate digestion

or make a slurry of the probiotic and insert (inoculate) rectally.

Eczema/dermatitis is a fatty acid deficiency and usually means not eating fats,

or making fats or way too many sugars/carbs for the body to handle.and definetly

would be aided by the right enzyme blend. hth, linda rn

Re: Starting Biotin, questions, Dana?

Oh, I forgot to mention, but my excema has been through the roof. My

poor face looks horrid and I've even had some acne. I'm assuming this

is die-off, but I'm worried that it might also be my liver not

handling the large amounts of biotin. Thoughts?

My son's lips have been very chapped and bleeding, which I think can

be a yeast thing too, right?

I think we might need more B vitamins overall, but I'm afraid to

supplement because of b vitamins feeding yeast. Should I wait until we

are on a therapeutic dose of biotin before trying to add in a

B-complex vitamin? Or just start it now?

Okay, I'm sorry for the gazillion questions. We are getting so close

to the finish line and I really want to iron out these last issues...

K

>

> Hello all. We recently started taking Biotin because I'm sick and

> tired of yeast flares. It is time to address this finally. We are good

> on the bacteria front, I believe, but yeast keeps rearing its ugly

> head and the hyperactivity, silliness, and verbal stimming comes back.

> (and my fatigue comes back)

>

> We started at 400 mcg a day and now we are up to 5 mg of biotin a day

> and take 400 mg of magnesium glycinate (we plan on working up to 800

> if needed). Every time I increase the amount of biotin, it has brought

> an increase in yeast behaviors followed by improvements and then

> eventually relapse if I didn't then increase again. Is this the normal

> pattern? What should I be looking for or expecting? It has not been so

> bad so far that I needed to use die-off measures like charcoal or

> anything. We do use magnesium/zinc sulfate cream nightly though.

>

> I have read in the past posts that I can go up to 20 mg a day. How

> will I know how high to go? How will I know when I reach a good

> therapeutic dose?

>

> Once I reach a good therapeutic dose, how long do I stay there and how

> will I know?

>

> What is a good maintenance dose after we back down from the

> therapeutic dose? Any tips on figuring this out?

>

> Can biotin alone be enough to tackle yeast if the problem isn't

> extremely severe? We were thinking of adding in No-Fenol but haven't

> yet. Should I just wait and see if the Biotin turns out to be enough?

> Would the No-Fenol be helpful even if I don't add something like GSE?

>

> Some background info on my son, he is about 98% recovered from

> Asperger's/ADHD as long as we stick to a strict SCD diet with almost

> all fruit, fruit juice, and honey removed. I would like to tackle the

> yeast issue once and for all so that we can tolerate moderate amounts

> of fruit and honey someday.

>

> Thank you in advance for your help! You have been very helpful in the

> past and I really appreciate the time you take to help moms like me. :-)

>

> K

>

[Guest guest]

We are on SCD, which is a diet that restricts grains, heavy starches,

sugar, lactose, etc. We have been doing extremely well on this for the

past 3 years as long as we restrict fruit, fruit juice, and honey as

well. If we eat them, then we end up with a yeast flare. We took

Houston digestive enzymes for 2 years and slowly were able to taper

off of them with no ill effects. They really worked their magic. My

son needs no enzymes now but I now take Betaine HCL and that is enough

for me. The excema is a very recent thing that occurred directly with

the biotin (we have made no changes in diet).

We take S. boulardii and also do SCD yogurt. I also make homemade

sauerkraut. We took probiotic pills for years as well, but tapered off

of them with no ill effects. We used to take l. acidophilus and

Kirkman's lactobacillus duo product. This stuff worked great for us

and now we find that we can maintain our health with fermented foods.

But like I said, nothing has helped with the yeast flares so far. If

we eat fruit or more than a drop of honey a day, then we will

eventually end up in a flare.

If my kidneys are in fact overloaded, is there anything that I can do

to help them cope? I really want to try the biotin approach because

I've heard that it is really quite wonderful for keeping yeast in check.

Thank you for your thoughts on this.

K

> >

> > Hello all. We recently started taking Biotin because I'm sick and

> > tired of yeast flares. It is time to address this finally. We

are good

> > on the bacteria front, I believe, but yeast keeps rearing its ugly

> > head and the hyperactivity, silliness, and verbal stimming comes

back.

> > (and my fatigue comes back)

> >

> > We started at 400 mcg a day and now we are up to 5 mg of biotin

a day

> > and take 400 mg of magnesium glycinate (we plan on working up to 800

> > if needed). Every time I increase the amount of biotin, it has

brought

> > an increase in yeast behaviors followed by improvements and then

> > eventually relapse if I didn't then increase again. Is this the

normal

> > pattern? What should I be looking for or expecting? It has not

been so

> > bad so far that I needed to use die-off measures like charcoal or

> > anything. We do use magnesium/zinc sulfate cream nightly though.

> >

> > I have read in the past posts that I can go up to 20 mg a day. How

> > will I know how high to go? How will I know when I reach a good

> > therapeutic dose?

> >

> > Once I reach a good therapeutic dose, how long do I stay there

and how

> > will I know?

> >

> > What is a good maintenance dose after we back down from the

> > therapeutic dose? Any tips on figuring this out?

> >

> > Can biotin alone be enough to tackle yeast if the problem isn't

> > extremely severe? We were thinking of adding in No-Fenol but haven't

> > yet. Should I just wait and see if the Biotin turns out to be

enough?

> > Would the No-Fenol be helpful even if I don't add something like

GSE?

> >

> > Some background info on my son, he is about 98% recovered from

> > Asperger's/ADHD as long as we stick to a strict SCD diet with almost

> > all fruit, fruit juice, and honey removed. I would like to

tackle the

> > yeast issue once and for all so that we can tolerate moderate

amounts

> > of fruit and honey someday.

> >

> > Thank you in advance for your help! You have been very helpful

in the

> > past and I really appreciate the time you take to help moms like

me. :-)

> >

> > K

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, I forgot to mention, we eat plenty of fats and take fish oil pills

so I do not think the excema is related to fatty acid deficiency. Also

because of being SCD, I know we are not eating too many sugars/carbs.

Like I said, the excema was a recent occurrence in response to the

biotin. With every increase in biotin, it gets worse, then gets

better, then eventually gets worse again until I increase the dose

again, then goes through the same cycle...

K

> >

> > Hello all. We recently started taking Biotin because I'm sick and

> > tired of yeast flares. It is time to address this finally. We

are good

> > on the bacteria front, I believe, but yeast keeps rearing its ugly

> > head and the hyperactivity, silliness, and verbal stimming comes

back.

> > (and my fatigue comes back)

> >

> > We started at 400 mcg a day and now we are up to 5 mg of biotin

a day

> > and take 400 mg of magnesium glycinate (we plan on working up to 800

> > if needed). Every time I increase the amount of biotin, it has

brought

> > an increase in yeast behaviors followed by improvements and then

> > eventually relapse if I didn't then increase again. Is this the

normal

> > pattern? What should I be looking for or expecting? It has not

been so

> > bad so far that I needed to use die-off measures like charcoal or

> > anything. We do use magnesium/zinc sulfate cream nightly though.

> >

> > I have read in the past posts that I can go up to 20 mg a day. How

> > will I know how high to go? How will I know when I reach a good

> > therapeutic dose?

> >

> > Once I reach a good therapeutic dose, how long do I stay there

and how

> > will I know?

> >

> > What is a good maintenance dose after we back down from the

> > therapeutic dose? Any tips on figuring this out?

> >

> > Can biotin alone be enough to tackle yeast if the problem isn't

> > extremely severe? We were thinking of adding in No-Fenol but haven't

> > yet. Should I just wait and see if the Biotin turns out to be

enough?

> > Would the No-Fenol be helpful even if I don't add something like

GSE?

> >

> > Some background info on my son, he is about 98% recovered from

> > Asperger's/ADHD as long as we stick to a strict SCD diet with almost

> > all fruit, fruit juice, and honey removed. I would like to

tackle the

> > yeast issue once and for all so that we can tolerate moderate

amounts

> > of fruit and honey someday.

> >

> > Thank you in advance for your help! You have been very helpful

in the

> > past and I really appreciate the time you take to help moms like

me. :-)

> >

> > K

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, do you know that if you eat a cooked food diet , that is real vegs, meats

and fruits, that the only thing missing is enzymes? it sounds like you are

already exhibiting intolerances and possibly a problem digesting pro/fat, which

gets worse as we age. you already know you have problems with carbs. betaine hcl

is not hydrochloric acid. it aids methylation which for some people enhances

hydrochloric acid production.

by digesting food with plant digestive enzymes this assures adequate digestion

of substrate and relieves the workload of the body so it has " extra " enzymes to

go around and clean things up. by digesting pro it changes the pH of the entire

body in a more appropriate direction. " amino/acid " if these bonds are not

" broken " this causes allergies, the body pH becomes more alkaline and you lose

alkaline minerals (like potassium) in your urine and if it goes on long enough

an impossible situation to play catch up with.

I think the dig. enzymes are a good ins. policy, with prolonged and the right

diet for your body you'll find less need for vitamins/supplements. you can

understand marketing better and read between the lines.

plant digestive enzymes do only 2 things, digest food and they are your immune

system. hth, linda rn

Re: Starting Biotin, questions, Dana?

We are on SCD, which is a diet that restricts grains, heavy starches,

sugar, lactose, etc. We have been doing extremely well on this for the

past 3 years as long as we restrict fruit, fruit juice, and honey as

well. If we eat them, then we end up with a yeast flare. We took

Houston digestive enzymes for 2 years and slowly were able to taper

off of them with no ill effects. They really worked their magic. My

son needs no enzymes now but I now take Betaine HCL and that is enough

for me. The excema is a very recent thing that occurred directly with

the biotin (we have made no changes in diet).

We take S. boulardii and also do SCD yogurt. I also make homemade

sauerkraut. We took probiotic pills for years as well, but tapered off

of them with no ill effects. We used to take l. acidophilus and

Kirkman's lactobacillus duo product. This stuff worked great for us

and now we find that we can maintain our health with fermented foods.

But like I said, nothing has helped with the yeast flares so far. If

we eat fruit or more than a drop of honey a day, then we will

eventually end up in a flare.

If my kidneys are in fact overloaded, is there anything that I can do

to help them cope? I really want to try the biotin approach because

I've heard that it is really quite wonderful for keeping yeast in check.

Thank you for your thoughts on this.

K

> >

> > Hello all. We recently started taking Biotin because I'm sick and

> > tired of yeast flares. It is time to address this finally. We

are good

> > on the bacteria front, I believe, but yeast keeps rearing its ugly

> > head and the hyperactivity, silliness, and verbal stimming comes

back.

> > (and my fatigue comes back)

> >

> > We started at 400 mcg a day and now we are up to 5 mg of biotin

a day

> > and take 400 mg of magnesium glycinate (we plan on working up to 800

> > if needed). Every time I increase the amount of biotin, it has

brought

> > an increase in yeast behaviors followed by improvements and then

> > eventually relapse if I didn't then increase again. Is this the

normal

> > pattern? What should I be looking for or expecting? It has not

been so

> > bad so far that I needed to use die-off measures like charcoal or

> > anything. We do use magnesium/zinc sulfate cream nightly though.

> >

> > I have read in the past posts that I can go up to 20 mg a day. How

> > will I know how high to go? How will I know when I reach a good

> > therapeutic dose?

> >

> > Once I reach a good therapeutic dose, how long do I stay there

and how

> > will I know?

> >

> > What is a good maintenance dose after we back down from the

> > therapeutic dose? Any tips on figuring this out?

> >

> > Can biotin alone be enough to tackle yeast if the problem isn't

> > extremely severe? We were thinking of adding in No-Fenol but haven't

> > yet. Should I just wait and see if the Biotin turns out to be

enough?

> > Would the No-Fenol be helpful even if I don't add something like

GSE?

> >

> > Some background info on my son, he is about 98% recovered from

> > Asperger's/ADHD as long as we stick to a strict SCD diet with almost

> > all fruit, fruit juice, and honey removed. I would like to

tackle the

> > yeast issue once and for all so that we can tolerate moderate

amounts

> > of fruit and honey someday.

> >

> > Thank you in advance for your help! You have been very helpful

in the

> > past and I really appreciate the time you take to help moms like

me. :-)

> >

> > K

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I couldn't agree with you more about enzymes being helpful. In fact

they are probably one of the most important things that we did for our

health. They were a great aid to us and really helped our healing

process. We took Houston AFP peptizyde and Zyme Prime for over 2

years. Gradually I noticed that we needed less and less of them and we

eventually tapered off. We had no relapse or worsening of health at

that point and that was almost a year ago. We have had nothing but

continued gains. I have no reason to believe that we still need to

take enzymes for the digestion of our current diet. They did their job

and our body is now able to do much on its own now.

Our only issue is that we occasionally get yeast flares, which were a

problem when we were taking digestive enzymes as well. That is why I

want to try Dana's biotin suggestion.

I'm a little confused on why you think I'm exhibiting intolerances? On

the contrary, we have already healed most of our intolerances through

the use of probiotics, fermented foods, and digestive enzymes. I

haven't had problems with eczema for quite some time until I started

the biotin protocol. That is why I'm associating it with possible

die-off or organ overload. Eczema for me has always come right

alongside of yeast flares, so that is why it makes sense for it to

possibly be die-off caused by the biotin.

K

>

> Hi, do you know that if you eat a cooked food diet , that is real

vegs, meats and fruits, that the only thing missing is enzymes? it

sounds like you are already exhibiting intolerances and possibly a

problem digesting pro/fat, which gets worse as we age. you already

know you have problems with carbs. betaine hcl is not hydrochloric

acid. it aids methylation which for some people enhances hydrochloric

acid production.

> by digesting food with plant digestive enzymes this assures adequate

digestion of substrate and relieves the workload of the body so it has

" extra " enzymes to go around and clean things up. by digesting pro

it changes the pH of the entire body in a more appropriate direction. "

amino/acid " if these bonds are not " broken " this causes allergies,

the body pH becomes more alkaline and you lose alkaline minerals (like

potassium) in your urine and if it goes on long enough an impossible

situation to play catch up with.

> I think the dig. enzymes are a good ins. policy, with prolonged and

the right diet for your body you'll find less need for

vitamins/supplements. you can understand marketing better and read

between the lines.

> plant digestive enzymes do only 2 things, digest food and they are

your immune system. hth, linda rn

[Guest guest]

> We started at 400 mcg a day and now we are up to 5 mg of biotin a day

> and take 400 mg of magnesium glycinate (we plan on working up to 800

> if needed). Every time I increase the amount of biotin, it has brought

> an increase in yeast behaviors followed by improvements and then

> eventually relapse if I didn't then increase again. Is this the normal

> pattern?

It can be, depending on what foods you eat and what other supplements

you take.

The most biotin I gave my son was 20mg 3x per day.

> I have read in the past posts that I can go up to 20 mg a day. How

> will I know how high to go? How will I know when I reach a good

> therapeutic dose?

When it works to control the yeast.

Too much biotin here [which can mean too-high dose, or not enough

magnesium] caused headache here.

> What is a good maintenance dose after we back down from the

> therapeutic dose? Any tips on figuring this out?

Depends on the person, what s/he eats, and what other supplements are

given.

> Can biotin alone be enough to tackle yeast if the problem isn't

> extremely severe?

At my house, yes. During anti-viral and a few other protocols, I

needed to add GSE. But otherwise, biotin alone was fine here.

>> We were thinking of adding in No-Fenol but haven't

> yet. Should I just wait and see if the Biotin turns out to be enough?

If you want.

> Would the No-Fenol be helpful even if I don't add something like GSE?

Yes. Give it on an empty stomach.

> Some background info on my son, he is about 98% recovered from

> Asperger's/ADHD as long as we stick to a strict SCD diet with almost

> all fruit, fruit juice, and honey removed. I would like to tackle the

> yeast issue once and for all so that we can tolerate moderate amounts

> of fruit and honey someday.

Elimination of the yeast overgrowth problem, for my son, required high

doses of biotin for many months, plus ALA chelation, anti-virals, and

B1/B12/folic/carnitine.

Those protocols caused a lot of yeast overgrowth, but once all of them

were completed, no more yeast.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> Oh, I forgot to mention, but my excema has been through the roof.

This is commonly caused by food intolerances, but yeast overgrowth

[and die off] can cause it also.

>> My

> poor face looks horrid and I've even had some acne. I'm assuming this

> is die-off, but I'm worried that it might also be my liver not

> handling the large amounts of biotin. Thoughts?

Increase magnesium. Add milk thistle and/or taurine.

> My son's lips have been very chapped and bleeding, which I think can

> be a yeast thing too, right?

Yes. Many parents indicate their child looks like he has " clown lips " .

> I think we might need more B vitamins overall, but I'm afraid to

> supplement because of b vitamins feeding yeast. Should I wait until we

> are on a therapeutic dose of biotin before trying to add in a

> B-complex vitamin? Or just start it now?

I would get yeast " reasonably under control " before adding Bs, because

yes, they will tend to increase yeast.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Chris...

Omega 3 is a wonder-cure for eczema, acne, etc...

great for your son's skin issues too

-- In , " Kuykendall "

<windravyn@...> wrote:

>

> Oh, I forgot to mention, but my excema has been through the roof. My

> poor face looks horrid and I've even had some acne. I'm assuming this

> is die-off, but I'm worried that it might also be my liver not

> handling the large amounts of biotin. Thoughts?

>

> My son's lips have been very chapped and bleeding, which I think can

> be a yeast thing too, right?

>

[Guest guest]

Dana, thanks so much for your thoughts. I appreciate your time!

K

> >

> > Oh, I forgot to mention, but my excema has been through the roof.

>

>

> This is commonly caused by food intolerances, but yeast overgrowth

> [and die off] can cause it also.

>

>

> >> My

> > poor face looks horrid and I've even had some acne. I'm assuming this

> > is die-off, but I'm worried that it might also be my liver not

> > handling the large amounts of biotin. Thoughts?

>

>

> Increase magnesium. Add milk thistle and/or taurine.

>

>

> > My son's lips have been very chapped and bleeding, which I think can

> > be a yeast thing too, right?

>

>

> Yes. Many parents indicate their child looks like he has " clown lips " .

>

>

> > I think we might need more B vitamins overall, but I'm afraid to

> > supplement because of b vitamins feeding yeast. Should I wait until we

> > are on a therapeutic dose of biotin before trying to add in a

> > B-complex vitamin? Or just start it now?

>

>

> I would get yeast " reasonably under control " before adding Bs, because

> yes, they will tend to increase yeast.

>

> Dana

>