Re: preparing for mediation with school

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go to the home page of the group it will tell how many

members there are

--- Tami Doran <tjdoran5@...> wrote:

> Does anyone know where to find out how many

> (approximately) people belong to this group? As I

> prepare for our upcoming mediation with the school

> on allowing him to take enzymes at school, I thought

> this group would be a good place for the mediator to

> see how many people are using the enymes and how

> well they are working for our kids and to confirm

> this is not an issue they can ignore anymore.

>

> Thanks, Tami

>

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> removed]

>

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Just a tip. You don't have to convince the mediator.

they aren't supposed to take sides, only to help

facilitate communication. You could present them with

your doctor's note and ask them to make sure the other

side understands its medical advice and they will be

going against medical advice that is documented if

they refuse to comply. get it written into your

agreement get it specific as to the dates they are to

comply with and how and who is to do what, when.

Specify that your IEP will be updated to include this

information, by what date, and specify the information

to be included. Always state who is going to do what,

what they are doing, and by when.

Schools are tricky SOB's. (voice of experience, and

I'm a lawyer!!! I did workers' compensation and

business law for about 6 years, and I have to say,

most lawyers I encountered even on the opposing side

were not as bad as the school folks) I've only been

dealing with the school since March 07.

keep in mind, that the mediator is selected, hired and

paid by the school. if anything - the mediator is

there to help convince you to do what the school

wants.

--- Tami Doran <tjdoran5@...> wrote:

> Does anyone know where to find out how many

> (approximately) people belong to this group? As I

> prepare for our upcoming mediation with the school

> on allowing him to take enzymes at school, I thought

> this group would be a good place for the mediator to

> see how many people are using the enymes and how

> well they are working for our kids and to confirm

> this is not an issue they can ignore anymore.

>

> Thanks, Tami

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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thanks for the info. my husband is a lawyer and he is amazed with the school in

all of this. We tried having it written into the IEP but it was refused. We

have a note from a doctor and a prescription from Pfeiffer treatment center but

in Iowa the school feels that the school nurses have a right to go against

doctors advice if they do not feel comfortable with giving these " non FDA

approved medicines " as they call it. Even though our school nurse is ok with

it, the attorney for the district sees it as a risk blah blah blah.

I believe in Iowa, (since this is the final stage before Due Process) the

mediator is picked by /paid for by the state (I may be wrong) so hopefully this

will help but who knows. I still need more info on the efficacy and am hoping

to hear from DeFelice to help with this since she lives about 20 minutes

away.

Thank you for the advice, I appreciate it. (If you have any more advice or

suggestions you can email me direct too. tjdoran5@...

Tami

Re: preparing for mediation with school

Just a tip. You don't have to convince the mediator.

they aren't supposed to take sides, only to help

facilitate communication. You could present them with

your doctor's note and ask them to make sure the other

side understands its medical advice and they will be

going against medical advice that is documented if

they refuse to comply. get it written into your

agreement get it specific as to the dates they are to

comply with and how and who is to do what, when.

Specify that your IEP will be updated to include this

information, by what date, and specify the information

to be included. Always state who is going to do what,

what they are doing, and by when.

Schools are tricky SOB's. (voice of experience, and

I'm a lawyer!!! I did workers' compensation and

business law for about 6 years, and I have to say,

most lawyers I encountered even on the opposing side

were not as bad as the school folks) I've only been

dealing with the school since March 07.

keep in mind, that the mediator is selected, hired and

paid by the school. if anything - the mediator is

there to help convince you to do what the school

wants.

--- Tami Doran <tjdoran5@...<mailto:tjdoran5@...>> wrote:

> Does anyone know where to find out how many

> (approximately) people belong to this group? As I

> prepare for our upcoming mediation with the school

> on allowing him to take enzymes at school, I thought

> this group would be a good place for the mediator to

> see how many people are using the enymes and how

> well they are working for our kids and to confirm

> this is not an issue they can ignore anymore.

>

> Thanks, Tami

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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Can you just put the enyzmes in your child's drink and keep the drink cold until

lunch or snack time with an insulated thermos? The enzymes stay good mixed in

cold food or drink for up to four hours and longer if frozen. This might help

save a fight.

Tami Doran <tjdoran5@...> wrote: thanks for the info. my husband is

a lawyer and he is amazed with the school in all of this. We tried having it

written into the IEP but it was refused. We have a note from a doctor and a

prescription from Pfeiffer treatment center but in Iowa the school feels that

the school nurses have a right to go against doctors advice if they do not feel

comfortable with giving these " non FDA approved medicines " as they call it. Even

though our school nurse is ok with it, the attorney for the district sees it as

a risk blah blah blah.

I believe in Iowa, (since this is the final stage before Due Process) the

mediator is picked by /paid for by the state (I may be wrong) so hopefully this

will help but who knows. I still need more info on the efficacy and am hoping to

hear from DeFelice to help with this since she lives about 20 minutes

away.

Thank you for the advice, I appreciate it. (If you have any more advice or

suggestions you can email me direct too. tjdoran5@...

Tami

Re: preparing for mediation with school

Just a tip. You don't have to convince the mediator.

they aren't supposed to take sides, only to help

facilitate communication. You could present them with

your doctor's note and ask them to make sure the other

side understands its medical advice and they will be

going against medical advice that is documented if

they refuse to comply. get it written into your

agreement get it specific as to the dates they are to

comply with and how and who is to do what, when.

Specify that your IEP will be updated to include this

information, by what date, and specify the information

to be included. Always state who is going to do what,

what they are doing, and by when.

Schools are tricky SOB's. (voice of experience, and

I'm a lawyer!!! I did workers' compensation and

business law for about 6 years, and I have to say,

most lawyers I encountered even on the opposing side

were not as bad as the school folks) I've only been

dealing with the school since March 07.

keep in mind, that the mediator is selected, hired and

paid by the school. if anything - the mediator is

there to help convince you to do what the school

wants.

--- Tami Doran <tjdoran5@...<mailto:tjdoran5@...>> wrote:

> Does anyone know where to find out how many

> (approximately) people belong to this group? As I

> prepare for our upcoming mediation with the school

> on allowing him to take enzymes at school, I thought

> this group would be a good place for the mediator to

> see how many people are using the enymes and how

> well they are working for our kids and to confirm

> this is not an issue they can ignore anymore.

>

> Thanks, Tami

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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I am not sure if they would allow it or not. He is at school right at 4 hours

before he eats and if I make it up before that it would take me over the 4 hours

so I would have to have it frozen. The other thing that worries me is him not

liking the taste (we did this with applesauce 4 plus years ago and to this day

he won't eat applesauce) Also is there any residue left in the thermos that

would indicate they are not getting all of it?

If we did do this it may work for the enzymes but Pfeiffer Treatment center has

him taking SAM-e, Inositil and L-Tyrosine as well which for the last 3 years I

have been going to the school daily to give him. Its so frustrating. He is in

5th grade and getting A's in all of his classes (regular classroom) and the

school can't see what a benefit they are.

Re: preparing for mediation with school

Just a tip. You don't have to convince the mediator.

they aren't supposed to take sides, only to help

facilitate communication. You could present them with

your doctor's note and ask them to make sure the other

side understands its medical advice and they will be

going against medical advice that is documented if

they refuse to comply. get it written into your

agreement get it specific as to the dates they are to

comply with and how and who is to do what, when.

Specify that your IEP will be updated to include this

information, by what date, and specify the information

to be included. Always state who is going to do what,

what they are doing, and by when.

Schools are tricky SOB's. (voice of experience, and

I'm a lawyer!!! I did workers' compensation and

business law for about 6 years, and I have to say,

most lawyers I encountered even on the opposing side

were not as bad as the school folks) I've only been

dealing with the school since March 07.

keep in mind, that the mediator is selected, hired and

paid by the school. if anything - the mediator is

there to help convince you to do what the school

wants.

--- Tami Doran

<tjdoran5@...<mailto:tjdoran5@...><mailto:tjdoran5@...<mailto:tjdora\

n5@...>>> wrote:

> Does anyone know where to find out how many

> (approximately) people belong to this group? As I

> prepare for our upcoming mediation with the school

> on allowing him to take enzymes at school, I thought

> this group would be a good place for the mediator to

> see how many people are using the enymes and how

> well they are working for our kids and to confirm

> this is not an issue they can ignore anymore.

>

> Thanks, Tami

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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Hi Tami,

The mediator is picked, hired, paid by your State's

department of public instruction. You do not get to

help pick the mediator as would be the case in other

situations.

DPI - these are the same people who will tell you what

your rights are, in their role as " Parents Rights

Consultants " - then backpeddle to make sure they can

find against you as the adjudicator in a complaint.

One and the same. The whole system is set up to CYA

for the schools.

Been through this over the summer, still going through

it. Not giving up, and not giving in. It's just a

job for them. It's my child's future, to me. My

child is too important.

The mediator is on their side. Mediators won't

(can't) admit it but they are aware of the rules of

this game. They have to be " approved " to be on the

list to get picked. Not the same thing as qualified

to be a mediator; I was certified as a mediator...

But approved (by DPI) to get on the list of mediators

working for DPI. I had to do the same thing to

mediate worker's compensation claims but the

difference being that both sides had the ability to

select a mediator if they wanted to. Incentive for

mediators to be good, unbiased facilitators?

Selection meant they got paid more.

The state DPI won't approve just anyone to be on the

list. There is no incentive for the mediator to be

unbiased. There is alot of incentive for them to keep

the schools happy.

Amy O (trying not to sound overly bitter, disgusted

and disillusioned with the school system)

--- Tami Doran <tjdoran5@...> wrote:

> thanks for the info. my husband is a lawyer and he

> is amazed with the school in all of this. We tried

> having it written into the IEP but it was refused.

> We have a note from a doctor and a prescription from

> Pfeiffer treatment center but in Iowa the school

> feels that the school nurses have a right to go

> against doctors advice if they do not feel

> comfortable with giving these " non FDA approved

> medicines " as they call it. Even though our school

> nurse is ok with it, the attorney for the district

> sees it as a risk blah blah blah.

>

> I believe in Iowa, (since this is the final stage

> before Due Process) the mediator is picked by /paid

> for by the state (I may be wrong) so hopefully this

> will help but who knows. I still need more info on

> the efficacy and am hoping to hear from

> DeFelice to help with this since she lives about 20

> minutes away.

>

> Thank you for the advice, I appreciate it. (If you

> have any more advice or suggestions you can email me

> direct too. tjdoran5@...

>

> Tami

> Re: preparing for mediation

> with school

>

>

> Just a tip. You don't have to convince the

> mediator.

> they aren't supposed to take sides, only to help

> facilitate communication. You could present them

> with

> your doctor's note and ask them to make sure the

> other

> side understands its medical advice and they will

> be

> going against medical advice that is documented if

> they refuse to comply. get it written into your

> agreement get it specific as to the dates they are

> to

> comply with and how and who is to do what, when.

> Specify that your IEP will be updated to include

> this

> information, by what date, and specify the

> information

> to be included. Always state who is going to do

> what,

> what they are doing, and by when.

>

> Schools are tricky SOB's. (voice of experience,

> and

> I'm a lawyer!!! I did workers' compensation and

> business law for about 6 years, and I have to say,

> most lawyers I encountered even on the opposing

> side

> were not as bad as the school folks) I've only

> been

> dealing with the school since March 07.

>

> keep in mind, that the mediator is selected, hired

> and

> paid by the school. if anything - the mediator is

> there to help convince you to do what the school

> wants.

>

> --- Tami Doran

> <tjdoran5@...<mailto:tjdoran5@...>> wrote:

>

> > Does anyone know where to find out how many

> > (approximately) people belong to this group? As

> I

> > prepare for our upcoming mediation with the

> school

> > on allowing him to take enzymes at school, I

> thought

> > this group would be a good place for the

> mediator to

> > see how many people are using the enymes and how

> > well they are working for our kids and to

> confirm

> > this is not an issue they can ignore anymore.

> >

> > Thanks, Tami

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

>

>

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That makes sense. It stinks but it makes sense. So if the mediator is to keep

the school happy and we refuse to agree to anything other than he self

administering or the nurse administering and we have to go through the " Due

Process " will the person/judge hearing the case be approved by the schools as

well? I wouldn't think so but am new to this all and obviously naïve to be

thinking these people wants what is best for the child.

Re: preparing for mediation

> with school

>

>

> Just a tip. You don't have to convince the

> mediator.

> they aren't supposed to take sides, only to help

> facilitate communication. You could present them

> with

> your doctor's note and ask them to make sure the

> other

> side understands its medical advice and they will

> be

> going against medical advice that is documented if

> they refuse to comply. get it written into your

> agreement get it specific as to the dates they are

> to

> comply with and how and who is to do what, when.

> Specify that your IEP will be updated to include

> this

> information, by what date, and specify the

> information

> to be included. Always state who is going to do

> what,

> what they are doing, and by when.

>

> Schools are tricky SOB's. (voice of experience,

> and

> I'm a lawyer!!! I did workers' compensation and

> business law for about 6 years, and I have to say,

> most lawyers I encountered even on the opposing

> side

> were not as bad as the school folks) I've only

> been

> dealing with the school since March 07.

>

> keep in mind, that the mediator is selected, hired

> and

> paid by the school. if anything - the mediator is

> there to help convince you to do what the school

> wants.

>

> --- Tami Doran

>

<tjdoran5@...<mailto:tjdoran5@...><mailto:tjdoran5@...<mailto:tjdora\

n5@...>>> wrote:

>

> > Does anyone know where to find out how many

> > (approximately) people belong to this group? As

> I

> > prepare for our upcoming mediation with the

> school

> > on allowing him to take enzymes at school, I

> thought

> > this group would be a good place for the

> mediator to

> > see how many people are using the enymes and how

> > well they are working for our kids and to

> confirm

> > this is not an issue they can ignore anymore.

> >

> > Thanks, Tami

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

>

>

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Maybe someone should buy them a stack of books on Enzymes and how it works in

the body and how you will die if you don't have any and how your body is made to

make its own and what goes wrong when the body looses that ability to do so!

Maybe too they should study the digestive system of a rabbit and a horse and see

how lively they can be on the wrong kind of diet for them! It is all about

ignorance.

Liz D.

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>

> Does anyone know where to find out how many (approximately) people

belong to this group? As I prepare for our upcoming mediation with

the school on allowing him to take enzymes at school, I thought this

group would be a good place for the mediator to see how many people

are using the enymes and how well they are working for our kids and to

confirm this is not an issue they can ignore anymore.

You would have better results with information on what enzymes do.

Try this site

http://www.enzymestuff.com/

Dana

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Hi Tami

Wow - what a lovely bunch you are dealing with. I'm sorry if my comments came

off too harshly. What about this : go back to the Dr. who will sign a letter

for you. ( I always write my own letters and just take them in - they can sign

it or rewrite but it hurries things along and focuses them I've found. ) The

letter might say that proper digestion of food is necessary for metabolism and

indeed you can become very ill if you are unable to digest your food properly.

Finish by stating that your child does not manufacture digestive enzymes

correctly on his own and must receive assistive digestive enzymes. That pretty

much takes the alternative medicine angle out of it and states the facts. They

dont' have to believe in anything, they should just respond to a Drs. opinion

and if they don't I hope you win your lawsuit because I think I would be pretty

irritated and tired if I were you.

I really hope you are successful.

Best

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