Homeopathy

September 17, 2000

Good Morning Ann,

This site may be just the one you are looking for. Good luck!

http://www.homeopathy-cures.com/referral.htm

Mike

Re: [ ] " homeopathy "

>

> Heli

> I too would like to know how to find a good homeopathic doctor in my area

> which is Ft. Worth, Texas. Any suggestions? I had breast cancer and

would

> like continued support of homeopathy.

> thanks

> Ann

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September 17, 2000

Heli

I too would like to know how to find a good homeopathic doctor in my area

which is Ft. Worth, Texas. Any suggestions? I had breast cancer and would

like continued support of homeopathy.

thanks

Ann

September 18, 2000

You can go to http://www.homoeopathy.org/page2.htm and request a listing of

practitioners.

As I mentioned to Mike privately, be sure that the practitioner is a classic

homeopath, which will try to find you one remedy that matches whole you, not

just symptoms.

--

Yumi Guidotti

yumig@...

March 30, 2001

i've mixed em... not a problem to me

wendy

Re: Homeopathy

Do any of you combine herbs and vitamins with homeopathy? Or is it

better to

stick to one protocal? >>>

I have " heard " that it can be dangerous to mix herbal remedies and

homeopathy. I would be very careful. You may run into a problem that the

medical doctors will not be able to figure out.

Pearl (NY)

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March 30, 2001

Ive mixed them to! Mog

March 30, 2001

Do any of you combine herbs and vitamins with homeopathy? Or is it

better to

stick to one protocal? >>>

I have " heard " that it can be dangerous to mix herbal remedies and

homeopathy. I would be very careful. You may run into a problem that the

medical doctors will not be able to figure out.

Pearl (NY)

Country Living at it's finest

Countrylife

March 30, 2001

I have taken both. What I check out very closely is

to find out what the ingredients are in the homeopathic

product and to make sure I am not duplicating it with

the herbs I am taking also. This is not an easy task

because the homeopathic ingredients are written in the

formal name of the herb-Latin it guess. I work all

angles.

LIZ

> [Original Message]

> From: <Cis64@...>

> <candidiasis >

> Date: 3/30/01 6:54:12 AM

> Subject: Homeopathy

>

> Do any of you combine herbs and vitamins with homeopathy? Or is it

better to

> stick to one protocal?

>

--- rabbitbrain@...

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October 13, 2001

Hi,

I have done many unconventional things. I have not

been able to take anything that my doc has not

ordered.

But I have been very into aromatherapy and have gone

for a few healings. I have also have my doctor

blessed. I figure that can only help. I have had

very good results. I do believe the mind is very

powerful and can help in wonderful ways. It sounds

wacky but I am a young mom and want to see my kids

grow up. So nothing is too wacky to try.

Any suggestions, send them my way.

Joan Claffey

NJ

--- ljohnson@... wrote:

> Hello everyone,

>

> I am interested to know if anyone has pursued the

> homeopathy roadway?

> If so, what were the results and how long did it

> last?

>

> One more question is this site on the east coast or

> where? I live in

> CST and by the time noted it is 5 hours faster than

> here it says 08:06

> and it is 03:06am here.

>

> Thanks

> LC AIH (0701)

>

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June 25, 2004

>I am interested in talking to someone who has chosen to treat their lyme

>with homeopathy. I realize that there are different opinions but would

>appreciate any response. You can post with the group or email me privately

>at lbaskin@...

>Thanks,

>

Please don't do this privately, but post to the group. I would also

be interested in this topic. Thanks,

Laureen

June 26, 2004

Hi ,

I start tomorrow with Ledum 1M.... Shall keep you updated.

Blessings,

Kezzi. . .

You can backmail me at kezzi-lymeaid@...

--

lisa baskin wrote:

> I am interested in talking to someone who has chosen to treat their

> lyme with homeopathy. I realize that there are different opinions but

> would appreciate any response. You can post with the group or email me

> privately at lbaskin@...

> Thanks,

>

August 31, 2004

> I have been receiving massage therapy for my whole body with focus

on my

> neck (c4-7 protruding disk, stenosis, bone spurs).

>

> Today my therapist told me about homeopathy and to educate myself

on all

> possible treatments other than surgery.

>

> I want to avoid surgery. Right now I just can't have it done - I

just became

> a single mom of 2 (ages 4 & 2) and am still going through divorce.

>

> Anyone try homeopathic treatments?

>

> Thanks,

> Molly

Hi Molly, sound like the same thing I am going through. herated

disc C6-7, Carpal Senosis, headachs. sever pain. Taking the patch,

Percocet, Soma and Valum. I have several bone spurs also and carpal

stenosis that has gotten worse since my last MRI. He wants me to get

with a neuro to talk surgery but I am scared to death about it but

can't live witht his pain. I am from Tx. and I live here by myself,

no family here. Last night I was such in pain , the meds were not

even touching me so I called a friend and she did massage on me and

the pain went away! I was still not able to get up to go walk my

mile. I am thinking about going for accupucture and chinesse

medicine. I want to do everything I can before I take that surgery

step. I get in trouble and bullied if I call in so I just do alot of

praying. I was scared I would of over medicated myself if I hadn't

gone to get massaged. Good luck Molly and if anyone has any ideas

please let me know. Thanks. Rita

July 6, 2006

I have used homeopathy on my dogs for years with great success.

August 14, 2006

In a message dated 8/14/06 10:04:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

vgammill@... writes:

how would you determine if it is just

water or if it is a real medicine, and if so what it would treat

effectively -- other than thirst.

Firstly, I would want to know where it came from. There are certain tried and

true homeopathic manufacturers, like Biorin.

Next, I would want to know exactly what the remedy was, the strength and if it

matched the problem.

August 14, 2006

In a message dated 8/14/06 10:04:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

vgammill@... writes:

" don't think that homeopathy can withstand scientific

scrutiny that would include qualitative and quantitative analysis and

a double-blinded study. I do believe that unblinded studies would

show wonderful benefits from homeopathy or anything that is presented

with authority. "

You are right...I don't think that there is a scientific way to test

homeopathic remedies but there are certainly testamonials and as I said before,

when something works on animals, who have no vested interested in what you are

using or preconception, then you know you have gold in your hands.

August 14, 2006

In a message dated 8/14/06 10:04:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

vgammill@... writes:

" If there are more trees in the

world than there are leaves on any one tree, then at least two trees

have the same number of leaves. "

If there are more fingers in the world than there are hands, no one has

identical finger prints........

August 14, 2006

At 08:16 PM 8/14/2006, you wrote:

>In a message dated 8/14/06 10:04:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>vgammill@... writes:

>

> " don't think that homeopathy can withstand scientific

> scrutiny that would include qualitative and quantitative analysis and

> a double-blinded study. I do believe that unblinded studies would

> show wonderful benefits from homeopathy or anything that is presented

> with authority. "

>

>You are right...I don't think that there is a scientific way to test

>homeopathic remedies but there are certainly testamonials and as I

>said before, when something works on animals, who have no vested

>interested in what you are using or preconception, then you know you

>have gold in your hands.

Animals don't have a vested interest, but many animal ailments,

including cancer, can heal on their own. Many animals such as horses

and dogs are very much nurtured by human attention. The caring

itself comforts the animal, lessens stress, and helps allow natural

healing. The magic is in the love and kindness, not the holy water.

August 14, 2006

At 08:15 PM 8/14/2006, you wrote:

>In a message dated 8/14/06 10:04:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>vgammill@... writes:

>

> how would you determine if it is just

> water or if it is a real medicine, and if so what it would treat

> effectively -- other than thirst.

>

>Firstly, I would want to know where it came from. There are certain

>tried and true homeopathic manufacturers, like Biorin.

>

>Next, I would want to know exactly what the remedy was, the strength

>and if it matched the problem.

You trust and believe in Biorin. Such research as you describe is

vigorously unblinded. We could call Biorin and ask if they would

like to participate in a double-blind study of their product in such

a way that tens of thousands of people would witness it over the

internet in real time. If the product has merit then they will make

bags of money. If the product fails, they stand to lose their

customers. Ask if they are interested. We could even let Biorin

propose a research design.

August 14, 2006

Hello--

Generally I try to approach all things in life with a healthy dose of

skepticism, but also with an open mind. I have used homeopathy for a

few years now and here is a case in point: My 18 year old daughter

went off to college two years ago in August and was already starting

to experience some major health problems. She went anyway, but things

went from bad to worse. She became very ill, to the point where she

was so tired and exhausted that she couldn't function, she was

suffering through repeated episodes of serious strep infections and

was continually very sick. She was so frustrated that she was sure

there must be some " magic pill " that would make her better so

continued to see doctor after doctor, but after three doctors and

three different antibiotics, she just kept getting worse.

By the end of February she had to drop out of school and come home.

She was so exhausted that she slept all day and had no energy

whatsoever. I encouraged her to see a naturopath who subsequently

diagnosed her with chronic fatigue and epstein barr and treated her

with homeopathic remedies. In five months, she was feeling well

enough to return back to school and shortly after started working

part-time as well. Placebo effect?? You decide. But in the end, I

believe what healed her was not the medicines that she had faith in,

but rather the homeopathic ones that she did NOT believe in. This

healing experience has completely turned here around. Now, my

formerly rebellious daughter not only respects my opinions on health

issues, but has turned into a proponant of alternative health herself

and for the first time is paying attention to what she puts in her

body. Her illness was diagnosed with applied kinesiology and healed

with homeopathics. I believe in both.

As for how to prove it's worthiness? I think you have to look at the

whole picture. That's why it's called " wholistic health " . There is

indeed a mountain of circumstantial, encouraging evidence, and hooking

up with credible and trustworthy providers and manufacturers of

homeopathic products is one of the best ways to get positive results.

Of course, there is an element of faith in every medicine that we

take, even drugs and pharmaceuticals. Who knows about the quality of

many pharmaceutical drugs--I certainly have no way to test them, or

even whether the advice I'm getting from my conventional doctor is to

be trusted. The bottom line is, I'll stick with what works. Who can

argue with obviously good results???

Best---Bonnie

August 15, 2006

To answer the question, I would first want to determine the long and short

statistical analysis profiles. Testing 3 of anything is statistically as

good as testing a thousand. So, do I want to find three people with the

same problem and test them, or do I want thousands? And, how difficult will

it be to locate " thousands " with the same malady and diqualifiers.

Next would be the issue of what is to be " cured " and is it a simple ailment

or complex? Are we looking for all solutions or just one that involves a

primary element?

Third on the list would be behavior patterns/commanalities such as diet,

exercise routines, etc... that also have an effect. In a DOE one of the

real critical issues is keeping everything as similar as possible so no

random elements of chance are added to the experiment. Diet certainly would

be a key factor as would be amounts of exercise, sleep, etc...

Fourth, I would like a time frame to work within. Many things will take

care of themselves over time. Of course this is not realistic with cancer

or a lot of other complex issues, but broken bones, cuts, abrasions, colds,

etc... will all pretty much resolve themselves simply given time. So a

quantifiable part of the issue would become would this medicine hasten the

norm of recovery if dealing with self correcting issues?

Finally, how do we define success? This can be in the case of many

experiments a very subjective form of analysis. Medicine often relies on

the patient's " feeling " as much as scientific points of reference. If you

feel good, are you " cured? "

Regards,

Bruce Guilmette, PhD

Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc.

http://survivecancerfoundation.org <http://survivecancerfoundation.org/>

Do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day

has enough trouble of its own. Matt 6:34 (NIV)

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of VGammill

Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:02 PM

Subject: [ ] homeopathy

List:

Leonard is a good friend, he is smart, and he is right most of the

time. I think that it would be wonderful to have a good open-minded

discussion about homeopathy. I would very much like list members to

join in with all rational opinions. I will start it by posing a

question: If you are handed a vial of water and you are told that it

is a wonderful and potent homeopathic medicine made by the world's

most clever homeopath, and you were allowed to test it any way in the

world that you would like, how would you determine if it is just

water or if it is a real medicine, and if so what it would treat

effectively -- other than thirst. This is not a trick question; it

is a very practical, common-sense question. There are practical

answers to this for all conventional and almost all alternative

medicines. I don't think that homeopathy can withstand scientific

scrutiny that would include qualitative and quantitative analysis and

a double-blinded study. I do believe that unblinded studies would

show wonderful benefits from homeopathy or anything that is presented

with authority.

I am sure that Leonard knows a great deal about homeopathy. But

there are theologians of every religion who spend decades studying

their brands of faith. They might all be " knowledgeable " but at

least some of them must be wrong. If there are more trees in the

world than there are leaves on any one tree, then at least two trees

have the same number of leaves.

At 02:18 PM 8/14/2006, you wrote:

>I won't get into a debate over any of this but wish to say that I know a

>good bit about homeopathy and disagree w/all of 's statements that

>I've listed at the bottom of this email.

August 15, 2006

In a message dated 8/15/06 1:21:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

vgammill@... writes:

" Animals don't have a vested interest, but many animal ailments,

including cancer, can heal on their own. Many animals such as horses and dogs

are very much nurtured by human attention. The caring itself comforts the

animal, lessens stress, and helps allow natural healing. The magic is in the

love and kindness, not the holy water. "

Dearest ,

The point is that animals don't have a placebo effect like humans do. They

don't understand that when you put pellets into their mouth they are supposed to

get well!

I do know that you are correct in that they absorb energy much better than

humans do. My dog Szuki was a wreck after stomach surgery and I went into the

hospital and worked with her for an hour. The doctor's told me she was much

improved and a changed dog in the morning. They thought it was miraculous. I

know that she sucked up the healing energy I was giving her.

However, when a dog has a bladder infection and you administer cantharis, and

the next day it is all better, believe me, it is the cantharis, not my good

wishes.

Best,

August 15, 2006

In a message dated 8/15/06 1:33:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

vgammill@... writes:

" We could call Biorin and ask if they would

like to participate in a double-blind study of their product in such

a way that tens of thousands of people would witness it over the

internet in real time. "

You are just trying to prove your point which is that homeopathy is bogus. It

is not bogus. It is real. It works. But you need the right remedy or it doesn't

work. It is not like an antibiotic, generalized. Homeopathy is specific to the

person and the ailement.

August 15, 2006

If I flip a rupee three times and each time it comes up heads, I

cannot conclude that I would get all heads by flipping a thousand rupees.

To test homeopathy it is not necessary to match identical cohorts. A

test would be very easy. Get a 150 patients diagnosed as stage 4.

The more patients one works with the more of an averaging effect one

gets in a double blind. Have each patient fill out a Quality of Life

assessment (QOL) and code them. In a double blinded fashion give 50

patients the " real " homeopathic medicine, another 50 would get a

sham, and the last 50 would get nothing. Six months should be enough

time to show any significant variations among the three groups. Do a

final QOL and unblind.

I suspect that all you who have religious faith in homeopathy are

already trying to think of reasons why this would not work. This is

because part of your mind already knows that homeopathy is a

wonderful placebo. The human brain is remarkably schizophrenic like

that. I have known many scientists who believe on Sunday that the

universe is 6,000 years old but on Monday think it is probably more

than 15 billion years old. They don't have the slightest struggle

with absurdity of this dichotomy.

It is very comforting to a patient to think that a magic solution

will make their problems go away. It is very comforting to a

homeopathic practitioner to know that he/she can make an income

selling hope to cancer patients. They establish a little implied

social contract of delusion and pretense. I don't think this is

fraud. If this is fraud then all religion is fraud and I do think

the world is better off with a few civilized religions and homeopathy too.

At 03:17 AM 8/15/2006, you wrote:

>To answer the question, I would first want to determine the long and short

>statistical analysis profiles. Testing 3 of anything is statistically as

>good as testing a thousand. So, do I want to find three people with the

>same problem and test them, or do I want thousands? And, how difficult will

>it be to locate " thousands " with the same malady and diqualifiers.

>

August 15, 2006

Simply because symptoms subside it does not mean one is well.

Both and Bruce, and others over the many posts, have tried to educate

people into understanding that 'most' so-called illnesses are self limiting.

Did the pain-killer cure the headache or simply dull the body and the symptom

faded away?

I for one totally accept the 'Sustained Remission' often spoken of by

and others rather than use 'cure'. We can use it for convenience sake, but is

it a cure? Conventional medicine 'cures' cancer all the

time................until it comes back!

The success of the Family Physician that treats our children and they get

'well', isn't curing anything. This physician knows, or should, that the child

is going to get well in spite of his drugging, not because of it.

Since we are primarily dealing with cancer, also a self-limiting illness because

it stops when we are dead, I am going to rely more upon those that appear to

have the interests of list members at heart.....the s of the world.

These are the people that work with cancer patients while the rest of us mostly

dabble in various protocols. These are the people that know what works and what

too often doesn't. However, we must be diligent with whatever is recommended

and still, still we have no guarantee because so many variables are involved.

All of the 'other' practitioners that deal with various maladies know full well

that most people will get better or at least be rid of their symptoms no matter

what they do.

Joe C.

August 15, 2006

NO that statment is incorrect because each instance of flipping a

coin/rupee/etc... is a 50/50 probability. You must separate significance of

individual acts from group response. (Different group of mathematical

circumstances). Was not trying to debate statistical situations.

You asked for some things and in a general way I gave you the simple basics

of a DOE.

I firmly believe that 50% of whatever is done in medicine is tied to the

very unquantifiable mind/will/desire of the indiviual involved. People live

in spite of stage 4 cancer diagnosis (I have now beat the doctors by 17

months and counting). Others die with stage 1 deveopment. You cannot

overcome people who receive the notice they have 6 months to live, then call

in hospice and wait to die. (Have one like that right now I am conseling

his wife on pre-death grief. As much as she wants him to live, if he is not

willing to fight and try, he will not succeed.)

The truly unquantifiable deals with the power of the mind. If you do not

think you will survive, you will not. (default premise) Do nothing and you

will fulfill the default position. Your heart and mind must focus on

winning. Then you concentrate on what will work. The only caveot here is

that nothing works for everyone all the time. There are no 100% absolutes

other than eventual death from some cause at some point in time.

Homeopathy has much going for it and I for one would not discount anything

it brings to the table. This is not a game to decide whether one thing or

another works. If I thought wearing " FARSIDE " teeshirts would add a 5%

probability to survival, I would move heaven and earth to make them part of

my daily apparel. Do not limit yourself to thinking only one thing or

another will work. That is what I see as wrong with allopathic medicine

today. If you cannot isolate an individual element of a " cure " and quantify

what it does, then it has no value. That frankly is the biggest red herring

of them all. Many things require much support/synergy from dozens of other

compounds to bring out the values sought.

By picking only 1 or 2 things and claiming " this is the cure-all " you not

only potentially hurt yourself, but scores of others.

Regards,

Bruce Guilmette, PhD

Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc.

http://survivecancerfoundation.org <http://survivecancerfoundation.org/>

Do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day

has enough trouble of its own. Matt 6:34 (NIV)

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of VGammill

Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 8:12 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] homeopathy