Re: Please look over my plan for treating bacterial overgrowth

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> My plan of attack:

> 1. antibacterial-ole or oregon graperoot

> dosage?

I'd start at 250mg OLE, go up to 500 and work up to about 1000 if

needed. Watch for agression.

> 2. proteases any chewables available, with food only or work up to

inbetween meals also?

We like peptizide best.

> 3. magnesium -ordered Oxypowder

> used Natural Calm before, she will no longer take it

We love oxypowder. Bedtime is best but if you don't get a BM in the

a.m. another dose might kick things into gear. Start low 1/4 capsule,

work up. May cause gas pain that feels like cramping in the first

days.

> 4. vitamin c what kind- must be chewable or gummy thing

(we use kirkman's capsules)

> 5. Continue reuteri (it's 10 billion cfu) and maybe add Culturelle

Reuteri is great. Consider adding Threelac or alternating w/ Theralac

great combo for our bacteria/constipation kid.

> 6. Calcium butyrate? or something else to help with healing

I don't know.

> Does this sound reasonable?

Yes.

Any advice as to dosages for a 28lb,2.5

> year old who is especially sensitive to taste & texture, doesn't

like

> juice or purees, and doesn't understand being bribed? She is

> nonvaxed, I don't have any reason to suspect yeast or viruses or

> metals, she is not ASD, still breastfed, eats pretty

I'd just throw my 2 cents that if you have constipation there's a

good shot that you'll have yeast if not overgrowth then possibly some

tricky strains. Threelac is good for this situation either way.

Good luck -- been there. Hope you get results.

> good " traditional foods " style. Thank you.

>

>

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> she improved quite a bit once those foods were

> removed.

Which foods did you remove?

> I think the lactulose isn't helping (does it feed bacteria?),

This sounds like a sugar, which might encourage yeast.

> My plan of attack:

> 1. antibacterial-ole or oregon graperoot

For my son, who also had a bacteria problem, attacking only the bad bacteria

would have

made things worse. He had chronic constipation for about 2 years, until I

finally solved it

through an anti-candida diet (e.g., no fruit; only stevia or xylitol for

sweeteners; focusing

on proteins and veggies). Fortunately my son has never been a picky eater. I

also used an

antifungal (grapefruit-seed extract). There was one day when he had massive

yeast dieoff

-- I will spare you a graphic description! -- and it was the turning point after

which he

was never constipated again.

I found the book " The Yeast Syndrome " by Trowbridge to be helpful with diet

planning.

>

> 2. proteases

> any chewables available, with food only or work up to inbetween meals

> also?

If you are facing a yeast problem, you could also try No-Fenol chewables along

with

Peptizyde, a protease chewable. Both are by Houston Nutraceuticals, and the

company will

send you samples.

> 4. vitamin c

If the constipation is due to yeast overgrowth, vitamin C could make it worse.

>

> 5. Continue reuteri (it's 10 billion cfu) and maybe add Culturelle

Culturelle would be a good thing to try.

> I don't have any reason to suspect yeast

Now you have a reason!

Regardless, I wish you luck because I understand how frustrating it is to see

your child

suffering with this problem and not be able to help.

-Ann

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>

> My dd is 2.5 and has struggled with constipation since about 13

> months-when she really started eating more solid foods.

Constipation ideas

http://www.danasview.net/constip.htm

> Anyway, she definitely has a bacterial overgrowth from the long term

> constipation.

Bad bacteria usually causes diarrhea. Yeast is one cause of constipation.

> searching the archives here and finding all the posts on toxin

> producing bacteria. I suspect this is what she has, as her stool

> smells strongly of ammonia.

This can be a bacteria problem, a yeast problem, or improper protein

digestion.

>> She still has quite dark circles under

> her eyes

Common with food issues, especially phenols

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

>>and bruises easily,

Deficiency of vitamin C and vitamin K.

> 1. antibacterial-ole or oregon graperoot

> dosage?

I used OLE for bacteria and viruses. I started with 250mg and worked

up from there. Viral die off does tend to cause a lot of yeast, so

watch for that.

> 2. proteases

> any chewables available, with food only or work up to inbetween meals

> also?

HNI has chewable AFP Peptizyde. If you want it to help digest the

proteins, give it with meals.

> 4. vitamin c

> what kind- must be chewable or gummy thing

I have seen chewables at my local health food store.

Dana