Re: Thoughts about total loss of control

March 9, 2010

> How do you dose ole? My son is 90 pounds.

I started with 250mg, my kids were smaller than yours when I was using OLE.

>>How long do you give it?

Two years, but I used it for bacteria and viruses.

>>We tried anti biotics and the tics did get somewhat better. We are done with

the antibiotics and the tics are still present. Better but still there (throat

clearing).

This was yeast at my house, altho sometimes things that meant yeast here also

meant bacteria. Definitely try OLE or other anti-bacterial if the antibiotics

helped.

Dana

March 9, 2010

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> ok thanks. We have been dealing with ocd for a very long time.

At my house, OCD was eliminated with anti-fungal, anti-viral, and B12/folic.

For some kids, it is eliminated with anti-bacterial, because strep bacteria is a

common cause of OCD.

>>It seems to get a little better when he has been on an antibiotic. I would

like to try this with him. What is the lowest recommended dosage? He weighs 100

lbs. but is very sensitive to everything.

I started OLE at 250mg per dose, but you can try 100mg since he is very

sensitive to things.

Dana

March 9, 2010

Ok. I'll give it a shot. Ater removing everything for a few days, Â I started

back Vit B and magnesium; mostly because he has been on prevacid for several

years for acid reflux. It does deplete the vit B. He is doing better on that

now. The OCD is still there; seems less intense thoughÂ and the

violentÂ meltdowns Â have subsided.

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Is this one of those things that I need to give away from anything else. Also,

do I need to put this off until I can get the enzymes re-established? I guess I

am asking what should come next? I am following the 1-at-a-time, as you

suggested.

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Thanks, as always

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Drissia

From: danasview <danasview@...>

Subject: Re: Thoughts about total loss of control

Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:55 AM

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> ok thanks. We have been dealing with ocd for a very long time.

At my house, OCD was eliminated with anti-fungal, anti-viral, and B12/folic. For

some kids, it is eliminated with anti-bacterial, because strep bacteria is a

common cause of OCD.

>>It seems to get a little better when he has been on an antibiotic. I would

like to try this with him. What is the lowest recommended dosage? He weighs 100

lbs. but is very sensitive to everything.

I started OLE at 250mg per dose, but you can try 100mg since he is very

sensitive to things.

Dana

March 10, 2010

> Is this one of those things that I need to give away from anything else.

There are certain amino acids that will inactivate OLE, so give it apart from

amino acids.

>>Also, do I need to put this off until I can get the enzymes re-established? I

guess I am asking what should come next? I am following the 1-at-a-time, as you

suggested.

You can try enzymes first, if you want.

Some kids don't tolerate OLE without No-Fenol enzyme, so that might be a

consideration.

Dana

March 10, 2010

Ok, thanks. Amino acids are enzymes? So those should come next? Then the yeast

protocol? I understand there are so many things that increase yeast, I must do

that at some point. Do you have a list of the things you found to increase yeast

on your website?

The vitamin b and magnesium are helping tremendously. You were right about the

tmg. Not only does he not seem to need it any more(no meltdowns now), but the

anxious pacing is all but gone. He is willing to take the epsom salts bath every

day now and his constipation is gone. We found that he loves mangos and will

drink blueberry pomegranate juice. Seemingly no negative reaction to either.

Thanks again,

Drissia

From: danasview <danasview@...>

Subject: Re: Thoughts about total loss of control

Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 9:50 AM

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> Is this one of those things that I need to give away from anything else.

There are certain amino acids that will inactivate OLE, so give it apart from

amino acids.

>>Also, do I need to put this off until I can get the enzymes re-established? I

guess I am asking what should come next? I am following the 1-at-a-time, as you

suggested.

You can try enzymes first, if you want.

Some kids don't tolerate OLE without No-Fenol enzyme, so that might be a

consideration.

Dana

March 10, 2010

Enzymes produced by your body break protein down into amino acids.

Sometimes they don't do it adequately and then you have problems.

My daughter has meltdowns which I have in the past attributed to all

kinds of stuff but I am coming to the conclusion that they were often

caused by constiption. Magnesium seems to help a lot for us. Epsom salts

are magnesium sulphate and if he drinks the bath water that will help

his constipation too. Milk of magnesia is good for constipation.

If he likes fruit you could give him smoothies of mashed up fruit

(mangos are good and all sorts of berries/bananas etc). I give smoothies

and incredibly thick vegetable soup to keep my daughter moving because

constipation is just the worst thing

Sally

drissia wright wrote:

> Ok, thanks. Amino acids are enzymes? So those should come next? Then the yeast

protocol? I understand there are so many things that increase yeast, I must do

that at some point. Do you have a list of the things you found to increase yeast

on your website?

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> The vitamin b and magnesium are helping tremendously. You were right about the

tmg. Not only does he not seem to need it any more(no meltdowns now), but the

anxious pacing is all but gone. He is willing to take the epsom salts bath every

day now and his constipation is gone. We found that he loves mangos and will

drink blueberry pomegranate juice. Seemingly no negative reaction to either.

>

> Thanks again,

> Drissia

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> From: danasview <danasview@...>

> Subject: Re: Thoughts about total loss of control

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> Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 9:50 AM

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> Dana

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March 10, 2010

Sally,

Thanks so much. My son has had problems with constipation forever. Sometimes

only having one movement a week. He tried Miralax and lost his ability to

control the movement. Milk of magnesia works for him but he hates it. He had 2

colonoscopies last year and the GI doc put him back on Miralax; said just to

give it every other day if he had problems. After taking a couple of weeks, he

started having problems with his kidneys, so we put him back on Milk of

Magnesia.

He hates vegetables and the only fruit he likes is pineapple and now mango. This

is the first time I remember when he was actually having bowel movements without

some sort of laxative. I have nearly beat my head against the wall trying to

figure out what's going on with him.

Drissia

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> From: danasview <danasview (DOT) com>

> Subject: Re: Thoughts about total loss of control

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> Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 9:50 AM

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I guess I am asking what should come next? I am following the 1-at-a-time, as

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> Some kids don't tolerate OLE without No-Fenol enzyme, so that might be a

consideration.

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> Dana

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March 10, 2010

I was able to get more veg into my daughter by mixing stuff. So from

pineapple/banana smoothies I was able to add carrots (which are sweet)

and then sweet potato and eventually non-sweet veg like rutabaga and

parsnip. I know a lot of people's kids are very suspicious and won't

take anything hidden but this worked for us. I did it very very slowly.

Even the rutabaga tastes OK when mixed with fruits. Now (a long time

later) I can put almost anything in at all. Berries are good -- all

those little seeds!!

I massage her tummy twice a day

> http://www.tarunaoils.com/articles/abdominal-massage-constipation.asp

and still she gets constipated. Enzymes are supposed to help. If you

read the enzymestuff website there is a lot about constipation.

best wishes

Sally

drissia wright wrote:

> Sally,

> Thanks so much. My son has had problems with constipation forever. Sometimes

only having one movement a week. He tried Miralax and lost his ability to

control the movement. Milk of magnesia works for him but he hates it. He had 2

colonoscopies last year and the GI doc put him back on Miralax; said just to

give it every other day if he had problems. After taking a couple of weeks, he

started having problems with his kidneys, so we put him back on Milk of

Magnesia.

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> He hates vegetables and the only fruit he likes is pineapple and now mango.

This is the first time I remember when he was actually having bowel movements

without some sort of laxative. I have nearly beat my head against the wall

trying to figure out what's going on with him.

>

> Drissia

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I'll give it a shot. Does the massage help?

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I think it does. It's quick and easy and my daughter seems to like it.

So no harm either way. Cheap too.

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March 11, 2010

> Ok, thanks. Amino acids are enzymes?

No, they are protein components.

>>So those should come next?

I don't understand this question. Are you giving amino acids?

>>Then the yeast protocol?

A yeast protocol is usually required.

>>I understand there are so many things that increase yeast, I must do that at

some point. Do you have a list of the things you found to increase yeast on your

website?

Some ideas here

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

For my son, almost every supplement that he needed for recovery, tended to

increase yeast.

> The vitamin b and magnesium are helping tremendously. You were right about the

tmg. Not only does he not seem to need it any more(no meltdowns now), but the

anxious pacing is all but gone. He is willing to take the epsom salts bath every

day now and his constipation is gone. We found that he loves mangos and will

drink blueberry pomegranate juice. Seemingly no negative reaction to either.

Great!

Dana

March 11, 2010

No. I am not giving amino acids. Let me rephrase the question.

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He is taking Vit B complex, vit. c, magnesium and epsom salts baths. He is doing

well with these.

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Should the enzymes come next or the yeast protocol?

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Drissia

From: danasview <danasview@...>

Subject: Re: Thoughts about total loss of control

Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 9:55 AM

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> Ok, thanks. Amino acids are enzymes?

No, they are protein components.

>>So those should come next?

I don't understand this question. Are you giving amino acids?

>>Then the yeast protocol?

A yeast protocol is usually required.

>>I understand there are so many things that increase yeast, I must do that at

some point. Do you have a list of the things you found to increase yeast on your

website?

Some ideas here

http://www.danasvie w.net/yeast. htm

For my son, almost every supplement that he needed for recovery, tended to

increase yeast.

> The vitamin b and magnesium are helping tremendously. You were right about the

tmg. Not only does he not seem to need it any more(no meltdowns now), but the

anxious pacing is all but gone. He is willing to take the epsom salts bath every

day now and his constipation is gone. We found that he loves mangos and will

drink blueberry pomegranate juice. Seemingly no negative reaction to either.

Great!

Dana

March 11, 2010

I would start the enzymes. There is an adjustment period and dosing schedule

and making sure you have a enzyme in place that is working and all is well.

Don't add anything else until you are in a good place. Yeast would be the next

step for sure. JMO.

Tammy

Re: Thoughts about total loss of control

Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 9:55 AM

> Ok, thanks. Amino acids are enzymes?

No, they are protein components.

>>So those should come next?

I don't understand this question. Are you giving amino acids?

>>Then the yeast protocol?

A yeast protocol is usually required.

>>I understand there are so many things that increase yeast, I must do that at

some point. Do you have a list of the things you found to increase yeast on your

website?

Some ideas here

http://www.danasvie w.net/yeast. htm

For my son, almost every supplement that he needed for recovery, tended to

increase yeast.

> The vitamin b and magnesium are helping tremendously. You were right about

the tmg. Not only does he not seem to need it any more(no meltdowns now), but

the anxious pacing is all but gone. He is willing to take the epsom salts bath

every day now and his constipation is gone. We found that he loves mangos and

will drink blueberry pomegranate juice. Seemingly no negative reaction to

either.

Great!

Dana

March 12, 2010

> No. I am not giving amino acids.

I mentioned the amino acids because you need to separate OLE from a few aminos

by at least 2 hours. So if you ever give aminos, be sure they are at least 2

hours apart from the OLE.

> He is taking Vit B complex, vit. c, magnesium and epsom salts baths. He is

doing well with these.

> Should the enzymes come next or the yeast protocol?

Either. B vitamins and vitamin C both tend to increase yeast. However, I think

you mentioned previously that he did well with TriEnza. And you also mentioned

that he tended not to do well with certain yeast control items. So perhaps you

should start by giving the TriEnza again, and then later work on the yeast

issue.

Dana

March 12, 2010

He did seem to do well on the Trienza, but was only on it for about a week or

two before I added back the probiotic. Previously, he had only had a problem

when I doubled the probiotic dose. At this point he started having a lot of

bowel activity. I didn't pay much attention. His appetite increased and he

started having a bm about 4 times a day(unheard of before). Then he started

doing the flaky stuff that looked like extreme ocd and yeast symptoms. That's

when I tried the gse-1 drop and the biotin-minute amount out of capsule. Then

came the meltdowns.

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So what I need to do now is go back to the trienza only? Do a trial of 2 weeks

to make sure he is able to take it ok? After I am certain he is established here

with no problems, start a yeast protocol very slowly to keep from extreme

behaviors. This boy is 17 and weighs 100 lbs. He is very difficult to manage if

he goes over the top. Am I on the right track now? I don't want to mess this up

again.

Â

Drissia

From: danasview <danasview@...>

Subject: Re: Thoughts about total loss of control

Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 10:00 AM

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> No. I am not giving amino acids.

I mentioned the amino acids because you need to separate OLE from a few aminos

by at least 2 hours. So if you ever give aminos, be sure they are at least 2

hours apart from the OLE.

> He is taking Vit B complex, vit. c, magnesium and epsom salts baths. He is

doing well with these.

> Should the enzymes come next or the yeast protocol?

Either. B vitamins and vitamin C both tend to increase yeast. However, I think

you mentioned previously that he did well with TriEnza. And you also mentioned

that he tended not to do well with certain yeast control items. So perhaps you

should start by giving the TriEnza again, and then later work on the yeast

issue.

Dana

March 13, 2010

> So what I need to do now is go back to the trienza only? Do a trial of 2 weeks

to make sure he is able to take it ok?

This is what I would do.

>>After I am certain he is established here with no problems, start a yeast

protocol very slowly to keep from extreme behaviors.

This is good.

Dana

March 13, 2010

When you write it all out like that Drissa, it really does sound like the OCD

and meltdowns were from die-off, so yes I would agree with what you wrote here.

When you are ready to start the probiotics, I would start very low and increase

it very slowly, and be wary of adding in additional anti-yeast things like GSE

and biotin. Only when he is stable on probiotics would I consider adding those,

and then I would again go very slow. Around here, the increase in BMs and

appetite would indicate die-off so I would go slow if those symptoms re-appear.

-Sierra

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> He did seem to do well on the Trienza, but was only on it for about a week or

two before I added back the probiotic. Previously, he had only had a problem

when I doubled the probiotic dose. At this point he started having a lot of

bowel activity. I didn't pay much attention. His appetite increased and he

started having a bm about 4 times a day(unheard of before). Then he started

doing the flaky stuff that looked like extreme ocd and yeast symptoms. That's

when I tried the gse-1 drop and the biotin-minute amount out of capsule. Then

came the meltdowns.

> Â

> So what I need to do now is go back to the trienza only? Do a trial of 2 weeks

to make sure he is able to take it ok? After I am certain he is established here

with no problems, start a yeast protocol very slowly to keep from extreme

behaviors. This boy is 17 and weighs 100 lbs. He is very difficult to manage if

he goes over the top. Am I on the right track now? I don't want to mess this up

again.

> Â

> Drissia

March 20, 2010

Very behind in my messages so apologise for the delay on this one. You might

like to research partial complex seizures. The late Dr. Carl Pfeiffer had a

paragraph on this in his paper on medical reasons for not diagnosing

schizophrenia. There is also another name for these seizures, motor something or

other, am at home so cannot put my hand to the reference.

Basically it is a seizure that manifests as behavioural instead of the classic

" fitting " , has a slow build up phase, then the seizure lasts for about 90

seconds and can be very aggressive and violent.

Regards,

Sylvia

Australia

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