Re: Thoughts on b12 shots?

[Guest guest]

Methyl B12 shots have been huge for us, the best bang for our buck. We just

started chelation, so we are excited about that. There are several suppliments

that aid the Methylation process, TMG, folinic acid, AMG, methyl b12,zinc  are a

just a few.  Every kid is different, so one of these may work better than

another. Our kid is taking all of them except for TMG and AMG.  I have read that

for one kid....TMG was more effective than B12. Every kid is different. We give

him shots at night, and use numbing cream. The needle is very small. He doesn't

feel a thing. We are big fans of Meth B12!!!!!  

From: <gizbaby123@...>

Subject: [ ] Thoughts on b12 shots?

" Enzyme Group " < >,

, " recoveryfromautism "

<recoveryfromautism >

Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 7:20 PM

I'm considering doing this for 30lbs almost 3yr old son. What are your

thoughts?

What should I know about this...pros and cons?

Is there a way to get this with out script?

TIA!

" God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change;

courage to change the things I can and wisdom to know the difference. "

http://fortheloveof mybugs.blogspot. com/

http://doinggfcfwit houtrice. blogspot. com/

[Guest guest]

I second that. These were the best bang for our buck also.....I would def try

them, you will need a script for them though or you can try the spray or oral

without a prescription...

Tami-Mom to four wonderful children,including one with ADHD and one with

Autism...... " This too Shall Pass "

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From: cap_49 <cap_49@...>

Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:48:57 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Thoughts on b12 shots?

Methyl B12 shots have been huge for us, the best bang for our buck. We just

started chelation, so we are excited about that. There are several suppliments

that aid the Methylation process, TMG, folinic acid, AMG, methyl b12,zinc are a

just a few. Every kid is different, so one of these may work better than

another. Our kid is taking all of them except for TMG and AMG. I have read that

for one kid....TMG was more effective than B12. Every kid is different. We give

him shots at night, and use numbing cream. The needle is very small. He doesn't

feel a thing. We are big fans of Meth B12!!!!!

From: <gizbaby123 (DOT) com>

Subject: [ ] Thoughts on b12 shots?

" Enzyme Group " <>, @

groups. com, " recoveryfromautism " <recoveryfromautism@

groups. com>

Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 7:20 PM

I'm considering doing this for 30lbs almost 3yr old son. What are your

thoughts?

What should I know about this...pros and cons?

Is there a way to get this with out script?

TIA!

" God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change;

courage to change the things I can and wisdom to know the difference. "

http://fortheloveof mybugs.blogspot. com/

http://doinggfcfwit houtrice. blogspot. com/

[Guest guest]

Hi All!

Now that you touch this subject....

I had a long talk w/the pediatrician this morning!..... [i don't want to go

there anymore!].

My son is 3 1/2yrs old and says a few little words..like mom, dad, shoes, moo,

meow, choo-choo, etc... maybe 3 or 4 more...

So I asked this dr. to see if we can try MB12 shots starting with low doses and

work it up from there.....and he said no!

He doesn't really want to get involve or maybe help, not even try!....

So now I'm looking how to get them without prescription...

in Latin countries [including Puerto Rico]this type of medicines or any type are

so easy to get...is like buying candies!

So...I'm thinking here....this is a vitamin come on!

A lot of frustration here in this matter!!!

I'm trying the liquid first and then the spray.

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[Guest guest]

Try the liquid first or oral first. Sometimes ordering overseas you may not get

what you think. Other than a stolen credit card number and some diluted B12. I

would not do this. I would find a doctor who will do it if you want to do. After

all your going to be injecting this stuff into your child, you want to be sure

you know exactly what it is. And coming from some other country, it may not be.

While it is just a vitamin as you said, the injection B12 is not just B12.

Holistic doctors do B12 injections, so do DAN's you just need to find someone

else.

It is VERY common for peds to turn their back on you, after all they did give

those lovely vaccines that got your kid like this. If they help you they admit

guilt.

Find someone else to help your son.

I began chelation and supplements on my son at 3 1/2 and he's doing very well

now at age 6. See how story and our progress. We had no doctor to help us.

http://www.freewebs.com/mercurybabies/

Please find a doctor for the B12. Many parents do find some improvements with it

but it is not a cure and does not usually yeild long term gains.

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[Guest guest]

No legal way to get it without a script. There is a reason for this.

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> http://fortheloveofmybugs.blogspot.com/

> http://doinggfcfwithoutrice.blogspot.com/

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[Guest guest]

The Geiers warn against the cobalt which is in the methylCOBALamin B12. Check

cobalt levels at regular intervals.

Lila

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> Is there a way to get this with out script?

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> TIA!

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[Guest guest]

Because people will give it when it's not needed, they will not be monitoring

blood levels of B12 or cobalt levels, and also you can give the injection wrong.

As I understand it needs to be given in a certain part of the muscle or tissue.

Some probably know how to do this or were shown, but others who are not using a

doctor...may not know this.

Our holisitic doc does MB12 injections, she also does blood testing to monitor

levels of it. You can overdo it even with a vitamin.

Not something I'd try on a minimally verbal 3 year old.

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> > http://doinggfcfwithoutrice.blogspot.com/

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[Guest guest]

I am only aware of getting these by prescription. My son is 12 and we didn't

start him with these till he was 9 or 10. They made a HUGE difference in his

social awareness...wanted to participate and play at recess, go to the movies

with friends etc.. We now do these daily and continue to have success with

them.

Tami

Thoughts on b12 shots?

I'm considering doing this for 30lbs almost 3yr old son. What are your

thoughts?

What should I know about this...pros and cons?

Is there a way to get this with out script?

TIA!

" God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change;

courage to change the things I can and wisdom to know the difference. "

http://fortheloveofmybugs.blogspot.com/<http://fortheloveofmybugs.blogspot.com/>

http://doinggfcfwithoutrice.blogspot.com/<http://doinggfcfwithoutrice.blogspot.c\

om/>

[Guest guest]

I would actually begin the Vitmain B12 tablets first to see how your son reacts;

sometimes the oral is enoguh; esp. the Vit. B12 subs;

some children don't like shots; why not begin with the B12 subs;

as far as the B12 shots for some children this is the best way; the shots are;

and for some children the B12 shots are plenty

the point is get the B12 tabs if not improvement beign the B12 shots; only under

a docs supervvsion; glad the B12 shots helps the lad !

Vitamin B12 can make a big dif. in a child's learning ability as can The Vitamin

B-Cmplex; iMY ONLY THOUGHT IS some kids dont' like shots; and for thosse

children the B12 subs; tabs; liquids or patches;

utism , " Tami Doran " <tjdoran5@...> wrote:

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> I am only aware of getting these by prescription. My son is 12 and we didn't

start him with these till he was 9 or 10. They made a HUGE difference in his

social awareness...wanted to participate and play at recess, go to the movies

with friends etc.. We now do these daily and continue to have success with

them.

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> I'm considering doing this for 30lbs almost 3yr old son. What are your

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> Is there a way to get this with out script?

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> TIA!

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> " God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change;

> courage to change the things I can and wisdom to know the difference. "

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http://fortheloveofmybugs.blogspot.com/<http://fortheloveofmybugs.blogspot.com/>

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[Guest guest]

I've heard them speak to this at conferences. Let me ask them today for a

written reference and I'll get back to you.

Lila

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> Lila- do you have this somewhere I can read from them? How do u check the

cobalt part?

[Guest guest]

Yes Jan! you're right! I'm just so mad with this dr....sometimes I just loose my

head here!

I'm looking right now for a Holistic doctor in my area!

THANKS for your support!!

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[Guest guest]

They have cobalt on the urine essential elements (minerals) test through

doctor's data. I don't see it on the blood test though.

Michele

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[Guest guest]

> I'm considering doing this for 30lbs almost 3yr old son. What are your

thoughts?

> What should I know about this...pros and cons?

> Is there a way to get this with out script?

I use oral/sublingual mB12 for my kids, it works great here.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi

I personally feel that it may be better to start low on methylators. For

instance giving mb12 sub-lingual in either a lozenger form or a spray under the

tongue (which we used) and building up from there. You would have much greater

control of the dosage and is generally less stressful for your child and you

don't need a doc. Oral b12 would need about 8 times the dosage of the equivalent

in injections for the same amount of absorption. I'm sure most people know that

folic or folinic acid should be given as well and quite possibly Taurine. Not

all kids can tolerate methylators, my son did well at first with mb12 then it

seemed to do nothing and then he became quite irritable and a bit agressive(the

same with DMG and TMG) with it which is not uncommon, if this happens and

methylators are not cut back or possibly even discontinued it is my

understanding that this could take up to a few months for the relevant symptoms

to disappear after it's eventual discontinuation.

Cheers Kenny

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> I'm considering doing this for 30lbs almost 3yr old son. What are your

thoughts?

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> What should I know about this...pros and cons?

>

> Is there a way to get this with out script?

>

> TIA!

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> " God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change;

> courage to change the things I can and wisdom to know the difference. "

>

> http://fortheloveofmybugs.blogspot.com/

> http://doinggfcfwithoutrice.blogspot.com/

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[Guest guest]

what's a good brand of B12 supplements also can you give that with other B

vitamins and what's the starting dosage? Thanks

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> I am only aware of getting these by prescription. My son is 12 and we didn't

start him with these till he was 9 or 10. They made a HUGE difference in his

social awareness... wanted to participate and play at recess, go to the movies

with friends etc.. We now do these daily and continue to have success with them.

>

> Tami

> Thoughts on b12 shots?

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> I'm considering doing this for 30lbs almost 3yr old son. What are your

thoughts?

>

> What should I know about this...pros and cons?

>

> Is there a way to get this with out script?

>

> TIA!

>

>

>

>

> " God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change;

> courage to change the things I can and wisdom to know the difference. "

>

> http://fortheloveof mybugs.blogspot. com/<http://fortheloveof mybugs.blogspot.

com/>

> http://doinggfcfwit houtrice. blogspot. com/<http://doinggfcfwit houtrice.

blogspot. com/>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hello,

What happened to us: I started my son when he was about 2 1/2. For us, MB12 was

wow supplement. I was afraid of starting the shots so I tried first a high dose

orally, the liquid drops from new beginnings (is very concentrated). I did not

see anything. Since there was no bad reaction orally I started the shots every

three days. I saw very little. Then I started the mb12 shots daily. WOW! great

eye contact since then. Within 4 days of starting daily shots, he is looking

directly at us all the time. Even therapists were amazed and reported to me.

If I remove it, he regresses,(also reported by therapists) so we are planning

to stay with it for a year. We rest from the shot now twice a week.

Good luck.

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> I'm considering doing this for 30lbs almost 3yr old son. What are your

thoughts?

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> What should I know about this...pros and cons?

>

> Is there a way to get this with out script?

>

> TIA!

>

>

>

>

>

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> " God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change;

> courage to change the things I can and wisdom to know the difference. "

>

> http://fortheloveofmybugs.blogspot.com/

> http://doinggfcfwithoutrice.blogspot.com/

>

>

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[Guest guest]

We use B-12 drops. It's called Hydroxo-12 made by Scientific Botanicals, Inc. My

son gets 1 drop (1,000 mcg) in his juice every morning.

[Guest guest]

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> what's a good brand of B12 supplements also can you give that with other B

vitamins and what's the starting dosage? Thanks

I have used Jarrow brand and Natural Factors brand, oral/sublingual.

Dana

[Guest guest]

We have been doing them for just shy of a year. We started last spring, before

chelation. For our son, at least, initially they were wonderful, some

hyperactivity, but we gave it with 5MTHF (active form of folic acid) and it was

a great combo for him, got methylation going for him- language and a connection

to his world were the benefits. It is a very small insulin needle used. We give

it when he is asleep, and he does not even stir. It was still great for a few

months into chelation. Now at this point they don't appear to do much. We are

reconsidering whether to switch to oral b12, but he does have lots of gut

issues, and a few tries with other b's led to out of control yeast, so we are

hesitant.

We just added in DMG into his supps, and this seems to have been helping as much

as the shots once did, or perhaps the DMG works with the shots. Who knows.

As to the concerns about cobalt - Initially, our son's cobalt was in the red on

his hair test. A couple of months ago, we did another hair test, and cobalt was

in the 50% right in the middle after several months of the shots. I did become

concerned about previous posts and threads here on the " dangers " of too much

cobalt. However, upon reading the Doctor's Data explanation about cobalt, it

appears that there are two types of cobalt, and the type in the B12 shots as I

understand it, is not the form one needs to be overly concerned about, I don't

have the explanation in front of me, but perhaps it was one is organic, and the

other inorganic? Anyway, that being said, I still intend to do another hair

test on my son, to see where cobalt is now. If it has gone too high, we will

need to address this. For now, we have stretched out the shots to once every 5

to 6 days instead of every 3, because this seems to suffice for him. Jan is

correct in saying that bodily needs can change, and perhaps our son does not

need as much as he once did.

I wonder if Andy would weigh in on this. Also, has anyone encountered a point

where it is not necessary to supplement with B12 at all?

Irene

[Guest guest]

>>Also, has anyone encountered a point where it is not necessary to supplement

with B12 at all?

I have had to reduce the dose for my kids, so I eventually see a point when it

will no longer be required.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I just started my 3 yr old son on methyl-B12 shots. On his first trial he

showed a lot of gains in speech, responsiveness, sociability, awareness,

understanding etc. But we didn't continue immediately b/c I didn't understand

the science behind it and had safety concerns. After some research, I feel

confident enough to start my son on it, with caveats.

Agree that Dr. Neubrander's website is essential reading. Go to the

download section of his website for detailed information on the science and

clinical experience behind methyl-B12, and he also lays out in exact detail his

recommended protocol, including compounding pharmacies, types of needles, how to

inject, concentration of B12, volume, etc.

Also what I found very helpful in convincing me of the safety and need for

methyl B12 is the book " Could it be B12?: An Epidemic of Misdiagnosis " by Sally

M. Pacholok RN and J. Stuart DO. It places the B12 issue in a broader

context and has useful chapters on autism also.

Caveat is that there's some who have said that the extra methyl in the body

would convert inorganic mercury into methylmercury, which is more readily

absorbed by the organs. The holistic dentist Dr. Hal Huggins is apparently

against all use of methylB12 on the basis of this risk. However, some exchanges

on this group indicate there's some disagreement about the extent of this risk:

About Huggins re B12 and mercury: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/15102.html

Andy Cutler's response: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/15105.html

Would be grateful if anyone has further information on this topic one way or the

other. Also, if any information about cobalt risks is available, please post.

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> In a message dated 4/17/2009 8:31:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> johnalyssa43@... writes:

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> Have you read the info. about B12 injections on Dr. Neubrander's web

> site? There is a lot of info. there.

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> For us, MB12 injections have really stimulated language and we have seen

> no adverse reactions. I was worried initially too but it has been the right

> choice for our son.

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> I keep hearing Positive things about them and my son's DAN Dr. said he

> wouldn't be a good doctor if he didn't suggest B12 shots for my son, so I

> guess we will try them and see how it goes, thank you all very much for your

> responses. It is greatly appreciated!

>

> Vicki 's Mom 12 years old HFA

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