legal advice

[Guest guest]

About the dog and the legal part of it. Simply put I see a violation of the ADA

when telling a person that there " companion " is not allowed. If I were you I'd

contact the ACLU. They have a tough reputation, but when your rights are

violated

they are the best allie we can have. And I'm not just saying that as a card

carrying member. A phone call can't hurt. Or you can contact them on the

internet

at ACLU.org

Mr. Sam Gassert

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[Guest guest]

We've been happy with our lawyer. She has two children with autism and she specializes in special ed. Check her out at www.saritlaw.com

She did a fantastic job for us and we call her any time we think trouble's coming. Good luck.

Legal advice

What subgroup of lawyers specialize in School or Educational Law. Our IEP team is not very effective. We are unhappy with our son's placement and I am finished "working" with the School District provisions. We are in So. Cal and would appreciate any pointers or referrals.

[Guest guest]

Do you have a Parent Advocacy org. there? Here in SD we have the SD Advocacy, the "next step" to the legal system. Otherwise, I'd start an online search...try family law??? Or look up the state ed laws??? Other resources may be various orgs. for disabilities not affiliated with the school....like an autism group....or general disabilities group... or HSLDA (Homeschool Legal Defense Assoc., I think is the name???). Or, shoot, any attorney that offers a free first consultation. ?????<just thinking outloud to try to help>

Blessings!!!

Deb

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In EOHarm , " acwbart " <acwbart@...> wrote:

>

> What subgroup of lawyers specialize in School or Educational Law.

Our

> IEP team is not very effective. We are unhappy with our son's

> placement and I am finished " working " with the School District

> provisions. We are in So. Cal and would appreciate any pointers or

> referrals.

>

[Guest guest]

BG

There's an old saying: Advice is worth what you pay for it. I don't go to a

lawyer for medical advice nor to a doctor for legal advice.

As a layman I think this doctor's legal advice while well-intended is misleading

and possibly damaging. I don't intend to follow it.

If I did someone to whom I show the Godzilla can claim later, " Before he'd help

me he made me sign a promise that I wouldn't go to a doctor. "

That will not be helpful.

I like your own approach much better. Your statements are clear,consistent,and

responsible. You don't claim expertise or authority and emphasize this approach

is experimental. You make decisions for yourself only and let others make their

own decisions.

In my own case, in accordance with Californian law I have my clients sign a

statement to the effect that they understand I am not a medical doctor and am

not qualified to give medical advice. I don't offer opinions on medical

diagnosis or treatment. I certainly don't ask them to sign a statement

restricting their access to medical treatment.

American doctors practice defensive medicine. Lawsuits abound and malpractice

insurance is indispensable and expensive. Interestingly enough doctors are not

sued at random. In a recent study of dozens of videos of doctor-patient

interactions, observers were able to distinguish the doctors who'd been sued

from those who had not. Even when the sound was blurred so that words could not

be identified the arrogance and over-bearing attitude of the " sued group " of

doctors were unmistakable. Chiropractors are much less often sued. Because

chiropractic is more successful than allopathic medicine? No. Because

chiropractors are seen as " trying their best. " Chiropractors are seldom distant

and superior. They touch their patients both physically and metaphorically.

I don't think advocates of Godzilla need to be anxious and defensive.

While it's true that anyone can file suit for anything, unless there's a good

prospect of substantial remuneration no attorney will take it. If one is

obviously wealthy and collects large fees on the basis of irresponsible

promises. . .then perhaps. In reality have any " alternative " practitioners been

subject to civil suits.I've never read of it. The trouble,if any,comes not from

dissatisfied clients filing civil suits but from a state agent posing as a

client to gain evidence for a criminal charge. Knowing and following the

applicable federal and state laws are the obvious remedies.

Onward and Upward,

>

> I sincerely believe, and always say, that you should never abandon your

doctor's care, and if you do, it won't be because I said or implied you should.

Pills, surgery, etc notwithstanding, normal medical care should never be

abandoned, if you want my two cents.

>

> A doctor who recently took a look at our group said she

> felt that before giving any information or advice to someone it would help to

get in writing a statement to the effect

> the person in their own words says, " I have absolutely NO intention of getting

ordinary medical care for this " .

>

> You should have it from them in writing that they decided to use whatever

> alternative instead of regular medical care if that's what they intend to do,

and it was their decision.

>

> Otherwise you may run the risk of them later claiming they WOULD have gone to

> their doctor but you said your thing was better...and that in court could be

> trouble for you, whether you are selling anything, or not.

>

> bG

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Jon, that's good to hear. I think we are ok, too. This was a comment

from the point of view of someone in the main where it would be how you

described it pretty much.

bG

> >

> > I sincerely believe, and always say, that you should never abandon your

doctor's care, and if you do, it won't be because I said or implied you should.

Pills, surgery, etc notwithstanding, normal medical care should never be

abandoned, if you want my two cents.

> >

> > A doctor who recently took a look at our group said she

> > felt that before giving any information or advice to someone it would help

to get in writing a statement to the effect

> > the person in their own words says, " I have absolutely NO intention of

getting ordinary medical care for this " .

> >

> > You should have it from them in writing that they decided to use whatever

> > alternative instead of regular medical care if that's what they intend to

do, and it was their decision.

> >

> > Otherwise you may run the risk of them later claiming they WOULD have gone

to

> > their doctor but you said your thing was better...and that in court could be

> > trouble for you, whether you are selling anything, or not.

> >

> > bG

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello, All!

This is my first post to this group. I have been reading the posts for awhile

to get the flavor and have read the files and looked over the " how-to make " the

devices and decided on a Godzilla. Have the components and will be making one

soon. Hope to be able to report successes--I have plenty to work on.

Now, about this " legal advice. " I cannot imagine in my wildest dreams that a

trained and experienced doctor would ever say what this doctor has said. Do you

know for a fact that she is a licensed doctor? Something doesn't sound right

here.

It seems to me that anyone who helps another person use the devices is better

off with a statement to the effect that they are not medical professionals, and

have it signed by the client. Somewhere on the Internet is a template for this

document. It has been around for years. Some people add a paragraph that the

client attests he/she is not a government agent. They give a copy to the client

as well as keep the original dated, signed copy in their own files.

It is best to not make any claims for yourself or the usefulness of the method

you are using. That keeps your nose clean. That is what we do on this site,

and why I like it here.

Jane

Tucson, AZ USA

Legal advice

>

>I sincerely believe, and always say, that you should never abandon your

doctor's care, and if you do, it won't be because I said or implied you should.

Pills, surgery, etc notwithstanding, normal medical care should never be

abandoned, if you want my two cents.

>

>A doctor who recently took a look at our group said she

>felt that before giving any information or advice to someone it would help to

get in writing a statement to the effect

>the person in their own words says, " I have absolutely NO intention of getting

ordinary medical care for this " .

>

>You should have it from them in writing that they decided to use whatever

>alternative instead of regular medical care if that's what they intend to do,

and it was their decision.

>

>Otherwise you may run the risk of them later claiming they WOULD have gone to

>their doctor but you said your thing was better...and that in court could be

>trouble for you, whether you are selling anything, or not.

>

>bG

[Guest guest]

Hi, Jane, well that document could come in handy, if you come across it or can

find it easily, please let us know and we will put into our files so that

widespread usage of this can expand legally.

The doc is real, yes, but not a lawyer, so she was more into being sure we did

not get nailed for talking anyone away from med treatments and then they get

into trouble later and blame us. There are probably many ways to avoid it

legally.

Thanks for you comments, and I wish you best of luck with your researches here.

I hope you will keep us updated with your situation even if this does not work

for you, we would welcome info. Sometimes an exact description can get helpful

hints about small technical points you may have missed that someone else found

out, but we did not get the info yet.

bG

>

> Hello, All!

>

> This is my first post to this group. I have been reading the posts for awhile

to get the flavor and have read the files and looked over the " how-to make " the

devices and decided on a Godzilla. Have the components and will be making one

soon. Hope to be able to report successes--I have plenty to work on.

>

> Now, about this " legal advice. " I cannot imagine in my wildest dreams that a

trained and experienced doctor would ever say what this doctor has said. Do you

know for a fact that she is a licensed doctor? Something doesn't sound right

here.

>

> It seems to me that anyone who helps another person use the devices is better

off with a statement to the effect that they are not medical professionals, and

have it signed by the client. Somewhere on the Internet is a template for this

document. It has been around for years. Some people add a paragraph that the

client attests he/she is not a government agent. They give a copy to the client

as well as keep the original dated, signed copy in their own files.

>

> It is best to not make any claims for yourself or the usefulness of the method

you are using. That keeps your nose clean. That is what we do on this site,

and why I like it here.

>

> Jane

> Tucson, AZ USA

>

> Legal advice

> >

> >I sincerely believe, and always say, that you should never abandon your

doctor's care, and if you do, it won't be because I said or implied you should.

Pills, surgery, etc notwithstanding, normal medical care should never be

abandoned, if you want my two cents.

> >

> >A doctor who recently took a look at our group said she

> >felt that before giving any information or advice to someone it would help to

get in writing a statement to the effect

> >the person in their own words says, " I have absolutely NO intention of

getting ordinary medical care for this " .

> >

> >You should have it from them in writing that they decided to use whatever

> >alternative instead of regular medical care if that's what they intend to do,

and it was their decision.

> >

> >Otherwise you may run the risk of them later claiming they WOULD have gone to

> >their doctor but you said your thing was better...and that in court could be

> >trouble for you, whether you are selling anything, or not.

> >

> >bG

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Bob!

I just did some checking around and haven't found the document I'm looking for.

Will keep looking and when I find it, I will send it in. It functions as a CYA.

I really still don't get it about having a person make a written statement that

they do not intend to get conventional medical help. A request like that would

be a red flag to me. Sounds kind of suspicious-way beyond reasonable CYA.

Anyway, I like to be able to change my mind. ;-)

Jane

Legal advice

>> >

>> >I sincerely believe, and always say, that you should never abandon your

doctor's care, and if you do, it won't be because I said or implied you should.

Pills, surgery, etc notwithstanding, normal medical care should never be

abandoned, if you want my two cents.

>> >

>> >A doctor who recently took a look at our group said she

>> >felt that before giving any information or advice to someone it would help

to get in writing a statement to the effect

>> >the person in their own words says, " I have absolutely NO intention of

getting ordinary medical care for this " .

>> >

>> >You should have it from them in writing that they decided to use whatever

>> >alternative instead of regular medical care if that's what they intend to

do, and it was their decision.

>> >

>> >Otherwise you may run the risk of them later claiming they WOULD have gone

to

>> >their doctor but you said your thing was better...and that in court could be

>> >trouble for you, whether you are selling anything, or not.

>> >

>> >bG

>>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Go to copaa.org, the national organization of parent advocates and

attorneys, go to the top " find an attorney/advocate " , click, then and go to the

drop down menu for your state. See if you can find and contact someone there

to give you specific advice about your situation. I would suggest you do

that right away.

In a message dated 10/16/2010 9:26:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

lailamalik2n1@... writes:

Hi All

Yesterday my sons school called me and showed me an ipp for the next

month,they told me about his day and some more information about rhe last 2

months of schooling,then they asked me to sign on ipp and another last page

signature,i signed as my infasnt and my son were restless and left but i keep

thinking about the second form i signed.

I think they made me sign on no liability form,as my son has a tendency to

run off from school.....and they havent found a way to stop him quickly.He

is 6.............i feel tricked into signing

I asked for a copy and they said they would mail it.I left feeling weird

and couldnt sleep all night cause i dont know what i signed

Can i do something

Laila

[Guest guest]

i live in calgary canada.do you know where i can look for advice

From: Momlaw@... <Momlaw@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Legal advice

Received: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 11:04 AM

 

Go to copaa.org, the national organization of parent advocates and

attorneys, go to the top " find an attorney/advocate " , click, then and go to the

drop down menu for your state. See if you can find and contact someone there

to give you specific advice about your situation. I would suggest you do

that right away.

In a message dated 10/16/2010 9:26:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

lailamalik2n1@... writes:

Hi All

Yesterday my sons school called me and showed me an ipp for the next

month,they told me about his day and some more information about rhe last 2

months of schooling,then they asked me to sign on ipp and another last page

signature,i signed as my infasnt and my son were restless and left but i keep

thinking about the second form i signed.

I think they made me sign on no liability form,as my son has a tendency to

run off from school.....and they havent found a way to stop him quickly.He

is 6.............i feel tricked into signing

I asked for a copy and they said they would mail it.I left feeling weird

and couldnt sleep all night cause i dont know what i signed

Can i do something

Laila

[Guest guest]

Laila:

Immediately fill out a letter revoking what you signed. Get it notarized

and mail copies to the district superintendent, head of special ed, and to

the principal of your school. In the letter you may assert that anything

signed before you have a hard copy will be null and void. State that

whatever you signed on that date is revoked until you have an opportunity to

revive the final documents. by tricking you into signing they have violated

your right to have meaningful participation in the ARD process.

Demand immediately copies of what you signed and read them carefully. After

reading it, you may reconvene an ARD to discuss this. NEVER again sign a

signature page without first taking a copy of all final documents home and

reading them carefully!

Never sign anything in which a copy is not given to you right then. You may

need an advocate to go with you, and it is best to find a sitter so that you

never feel pressured to make decisions quickly.

[Guest guest]

You can't " sign away " the school's liability for keeping your son safe!  When

he is in their care, they are responsible, regardless of what you sign.

nancy j.

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From: lailamalik2n1 <lailamalik2n1@...>

Subject: [ ] Legal advice

Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 7:26 AM

 

Hi All

Yesterday my sons school called me and showed me an ipp for the next month,they

told me about his day and some more information about rhe last 2 months of

schooling,then they asked me to sign on ipp and another last page signature,i

signed as my infasnt and my son were restless and left but i keep thinking about

the second form i signed.

I think they made me sign on no liability form,as my son has a tendency to run

off from school.....and they havent found a way to stop him quickly.He is

6.............i feel tricked into signing

I asked for a copy and they said they would mail it.I left feeling weird and

couldnt sleep all night cause i dont know what i signed

Can i do something

Laila

[Guest guest]

I never sign anything without taking it home and reading it. The school labels

me as a difficult mother who refuses to sign paperwork - I don't care. I prefer

to take it home and read it once I have time to think. Then I sign it (if I

agree) and send it back.

I agree that you can put it in writing that you revoke what you had signed.

Also, be clear with the school that you will not tolerate them requesting

signature when you have not had time to read things.

Take care. Deb

>

> Hi All

>

> Yesterday my sons school called me and showed me an ipp for the next

month,they told me about his day and some more information about rhe last 2

months of schooling,then they asked me to sign on ipp and another last page

signature,i signed as my infasnt and my son were restless and left but i keep

thinking about the second form i signed.

> I think they made me sign on no liability form,as my son has a tendency to run

off from school.....and they havent found a way to stop him quickly.He is

6.............i feel tricked into signing

> I asked for a copy and they said they would mail it.I left feeling weird and

couldnt sleep all night cause i dont know what i signed

>

> Can i do something

> Laila

>

[Guest guest]

Keep a file, write a time line of contacts, phone calls, and documents.

Theodora

> >

> > Laila:

> >

> > Immediately fill out a letter revoking what you signed. Get it notarized

> > and mail copies to the district superintendent, head of special ed, and to

> > the principal of your school. In the letter you may assert that anything

> > signed before you have a hard copy will be null and void. State that

> > whatever you signed on that date is revoked until you have an opportunity to

> > revive the final documents. by tricking you into signing they have violated

> > your right to have meaningful participation in the ARD process.

> >

> > Demand immediately copies of what you signed and read them carefully. After

> > reading it, you may reconvene an ARD to discuss this. NEVER again sign a

> > signature page without first taking a copy of all final documents home and

> > reading them carefully!

> >

> > Never sign anything in which a copy is not given to you right then. You may

> > need an advocate to go with you, and it is best to find a sitter so that you

> > never feel pressured to make decisions quickly.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

I'm researching for someone and needed to find out if anyone out there has had

success when dealing with divorce and treating the kids biomedically. If they

have found a way to work out in their arrangement vaccinations and diet so that

both sides continue to treat the kids. If you have or know someone that has had

success with this, please let me know.

thank you!