Re: Natural ways to deal with Clostridia?

[Guest guest]

Biocidin followed an hour later by sacc B worked for my daughter. And Vancomycin

doesn't work on C.diff. It does work on other strains of clostridia though.

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From: gfcfmommy

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Time: 2010-09-10, 06:56:53

Subject: Natural ways to deal with Clostridia?

>Hi,

>My son has recurrent C diff, and we just finished 5 days of Vancomycin. I would

really like to know if there is another way to keep this at bay?

Probiotics,prebiotics,oregano, anything!

>Thanks,

>Susi

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[Guest guest]

Natural yeast killers are Olive Leaf extract, Grape Seed extract, Garlic,

Oregano, Trimethylglycine (TMG), and Grapefruit Seed Extract. The Grapefruit

Seed Extract tastes terrible and cause major stomach upset...but it is a very

powerful yeast killer. My kids can't tollerate it, so we take Olive Leaf Extract

, Grapeseed Extract, and TMG twice daily as well as a really high count

probiotic. The TMG is a really important part of killing off the yeast and

keeping it at bay. It kills any bad yeast that make their way to the upper

intestines where they proliferate. It also heals the lining of the gut to keep

yeast and yeast feeding foods from leaking into the bloodstream. We have seen

some amazing results and resitance to yeast since we started using it. I've also

heard it called Betaine HCI, Hydrochloric Acid, and Hyorlonic Acid (sp). Kirkman

Makes a great little allergen free TMG that's pretty cheap. As far as diet goes

completely illiminate yeast from the diet until you get the levels down in his

body. Lower the sugar intake for a while. No yeast feeding foods like fungus

(mushrooms, olives), it helps to use only peelable fruits( but that's only if

you feel you need to go that far), no vinegar, no pickles....he he he, my son

loves it when I tell him we're doing the yeast detox so he can't have any beer:)

I have a yeast detox diet from our DAN...it's a three week detox. If you want I

can e-mail you a copy

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info! He takes 1 tsp of liquid TMG in the mornings. How much do

your kids take and when? Should he be taking it twice a day?  I was unaware

that tmg was so important or called by other names. What amounts and times of

the others do your kids take? How did you start? Was there a lot of die off?

 

I use organic coconut oil to cook GFCF French Toast which he eats a couple of

times a day. I want to order the custom probiotic you told me about, but I have

some here that I am using until I do. I got the Kirkman enzymes that you told me

about today. They are in capsules. Where should I start? The only enzymes I have

uses that hasn't caused major issues is Zycarb and that has just been this week.

I tried some by enzymedica, afp peptizide, no fenol, and Trienza. This week I

have been giving something called ultimate flora from the health food store, but

it took 4 days to give one packet. I have some cdbiotic from Kirkman in the

fridge. Am I suppose to rotate any of this stuff or just use and go back to the

best one for him.

 

What do you know about Arby's chicken fingers? I tried looking it up for the msg

but I only found it by another name. Somekind of yeast and it was the 3rd

ingredient. This afternoon he needed something for a headache.

 

Sorry it is so long!

 

Drissia

From: Les <lesburleson@...>

Subject: Re: Natural ways to deal with Clostridia?

Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 4:39 PM

 

Natural yeast killers are Olive Leaf extract, Grape Seed extract, Garlic,

Oregano, Trimethylglycine (TMG), and Grapefruit Seed Extract. The Grapefruit

Seed Extract tastes terrible and cause major stomach upset...but it is a very

powerful yeast killer. My kids can't tollerate it, so we take Olive Leaf Extract

, Grapeseed Extract, and TMG twice daily as well as a really high count

probiotic. The TMG is a really important part of killing off the yeast and

keeping it at bay. It kills any bad yeast that make their way to the upper

intestines where they proliferate. It also heals the lining of the gut to keep

yeast and yeast feeding foods from leaking into the bloodstream. We have seen

some amazing results and resitance to yeast since we started using it. I've also

heard it called Betaine HCI, Hydrochloric Acid, and Hyorlonic Acid (sp). Kirkman

Makes a great little allergen free TMG that's pretty cheap. As far as diet goes

completely illiminate yeast from the

diet until you get the levels down in his body. Lower the sugar intake for a

while. No yeast feeding foods like fungus (mushrooms, olives), it helps to use

only peelable fruits( but that's only if you feel you need to go that far), no

vinegar, no pickles....he he he, my son loves it when I tell him we're doing the

yeast detox so he can't have any beer:) I have a yeast detox diet from our

DAN...it's a three week detox. If you want I can e-mail you a copy

[Guest guest]

I would like a copy of the yeast detox if you don't mind. Do you know if

fermented foods that you make at home like coconut kefir and cultured veggies

would be allowed? Thanks so much.

Re: Natural ways to deal with Clostridia?

Natural yeast killers are Olive Leaf extract, Grape Seed extract, Garlic,

Oregano, Trimethylglycine (TMG), and Grapefruit Seed Extract. The Grapefruit

Seed Extract tastes terrible and cause major stomach upset...but it is a very

powerful yeast killer. My kids can't tollerate it, so we take Olive Leaf Extract

, Grapeseed Extract, and TMG twice daily as well as a really high count

probiotic. The TMG is a really important part of killing off the yeast and

keeping it at bay. It kills any bad yeast that make their way to the upper

intestines where they proliferate. It also heals the lining of the gut to keep

yeast and yeast feeding foods from leaking into the bloodstream. We have seen

some amazing results and resitance to yeast since we started using it. I've also

heard it called Betaine HCI, Hydrochloric Acid, and Hyorlonic Acid (sp). Kirkman

Makes a great little allergen free TMG that's pretty cheap. As far as diet goes

completely illiminate yeast from the diet until yo u get the levels down in his

body. Lower the sugar intake for a while. No yeast feeding foods like fungus

(mushrooms, olives), it helps to use only peelable fruits( but that's only if

you feel you need to go that far), no vinegar, no pickles....he he he, my son

loves it when I tell him we're doing the yeast detox so he can't have any beer:)

I have a yeast detox diet from our DAN...it's a three week detox. If you want I

can e-mail you a copy

[Guest guest]

They are supposed to take it with every meal...I'm pretty sure you have to build

up to that. Start with one meal for a week or two, then increase to two and see

how it goes. I don't give it to them at lunch because they're at school, and

when they're home I forget We started on Kirkman's TMG 175 mg once a day for

two weeks. Then we went to twice a day for a month or maybe a little longer. Now

we're on 500 mg twice a day, I believe that's the recommended dosage...I'll

check and let ya know later:) The only reaction we had with the TMG was my son

became really hyper , which is a common side effect. I read that you should give

Folinic acid with it if that happens. Before the Folinic acid I ordered arrived

the hyperactivity went away. We haven't had a problem with it since, even when

we increased. The OLE we started with one in the morning 500 mg, from The

Vitamin Shoppe. They were on that dose for about a month while I was too busy to

finish reading about it Then I read that they should be on it twice a day and

we went to 500 mg twice daily. This stuff is seriously a miracle! I would never

have believed it if I hadn't seen it and experienced it myself. It's a natural

antibiotic, an antiviral , yeast killer and all kinds of other stuff. I've

gotten rid of strep throat for myself and the kids with it...thrush too. No side

effects at all. My daughter gets mega tics from PANDAS. They went away after a

few days on the OLE. The Grapeseed Extract is supposed to be a really good

antioxident as well as a yeast killer and some other stuff. I'm not sure if

we're seeign anything great with it, but we're not seeing anything bad. I'm not

taking them off it yet because I'm not sure if it's part of the sucess we've had

with the yeast. They take 100 mg twice a day...we did the same schedule that we

did with the OLE. I'm getting ready to add kyolic garlic for a week or two

because one kid has thrush and my son is back to bedwetting. With the move cross

country and ensueing meyham of getting settled, taking care of my Mom , and

having my husband away with work I've been letting a few things slip on the diet

more than I should. They've had way too much sugar lately, I'm pretty sure

that's what got the yeast a little high again. That and we were out of

supplements for a week because I reordered them too late:)oopsie:) The only

thing we saw die off from was the yeast detox diet...but we started everything

right after that.So chances are they would normally have had die off but didn't

because we'd already detoxed. Oh, and they take one tiny scoop of the custom

probiotics twice a day. They started with one in the morning and we had to move

up really slowly b/c they got nauseous. I did one scoop for two weeks, then

moved up to two scoops every other day for a month before I went to the full two

scoops a day. They also take Kirkman's cod liver oil with A & D, one in the

morning two at night...except my little one only takes one at night and one in

the morning. They take lil critters gummy vites multi-vites once a day.

hmmmm....Oh, they take 500 mg of magnesium with 100 mg of calcium in the

morning. We need to bump it up to 1000-1500 mg of magnesium soon. If you do the

magnesium they have to have calcium with it. they also say to take B-6 with the

mag and cal , but I'm too chicken so far. My kids had a bad reaction to B

vitamins before....it was not pretty Of course then I read that if they have

a bad reaction to the B Vitammins it means they need to take magnesium with it:)

So....eventually I'll get brave enough to try again :)Oh, and the two big kids

take buffered vitamin C before brekfast and dinner to lower oxalates...they both

tested way way high for oxalates

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Oregano, Trimethylglycine (TMG), and Grapefruit Seed Extract. The Grapefruit

Seed Extract tastes terrible and cause major stomach upset...but it is a very

powerful yeast killer. My kids can't tollerate it, so we take Olive Leaf Extract

, Grapeseed Extract, and TMG twice daily as well as a really high count

probiotic. The TMG is a really important part of killing off the yeast and

keeping it at bay. It kills any bad yeast that make their way to the upper

intestines where they proliferate. It also heals the lining of the gut to keep

yeast and yeast feeding foods from leaking into the bloodstream. We have seen

some amazing results and resitance to yeast since we started using it. I've also

heard it called Betaine HCI, Hydrochloric Acid, and Hyorlonic Acid (sp). Kirkman

Makes a great little allergen free TMG that's pretty cheap. As far as diet goes

completely illiminate yeast from the

> diet until you get the levels down in his body. Lower the sugar intake for a

while. No yeast feeding foods like fungus (mushrooms, olives), it helps to use

only peelable fruits( but that's only if you feel you need to go that far), no

vinegar, no pickles....he he he, my son loves it when I tell him we're doing the

yeast detox so he can't have any beer:) I have a yeast detox diet from our

DAN...it's a three week detox. If you want I can e-mail you a copy

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[Guest guest]

Oops, forgot about the other stuff you asked:) Uh...my soon took the Ultimate

Flora too before we started the custom probiotics. I've heard people that say to

rotate the probiotics, but I think it just depends on your child and how their

body reacts. So far I see no need to rotate the custom probiotics out. With the

enzymes...if he had trouble before I'd try one every other day for a week or two

and see how he handles it. If he's ok go to one every morning with the first

bite of breakfast or 10 minutes before hand. If he does ok for a week or two go

up to once with breakfast once with dinner. Again eventually the goal is to get

it at each meal...but my kids don't take them at lunchtime. My kids handled the

enzymes with no problem, but my Mom felt sick (headache and bellyache) with the

first week of Virastop.

[Guest guest]

I'm not 100% positive about the coconut kefir since it's a good yeast fighter,

but the detox does call for no fermented foods. So I guess it would be up to you

to see what happens. I would personally choose not to serve them simply because

it would stink big time to waste three weeks doing the detox only to have one of

the foods mes it up. It is only three weeks. Then you can add back fermented

foods...although you should limit them until the yeast is really under good

control. I'll send you a copy of the detox

[Guest guest]

Thanks . Your suggestion makes real good sense and we'll give it a try.

RE: Re: Natural ways to deal with Clostridia?

I'm not 100% positive about the coconut kefir since it's a good yeast fighter,

but the detox does call for no fermented foods. So I guess it would be up to you

to see what happens. I would personally choose not to serve them simply because

it would stink big time to waste three weeks doing the detox only to have one of

the foods mes it up. It is only three weeks. Then you can add back fermented

foods...although you should limit them until the yeast is really under good

control. I'll send you a copy of the detox

[Guest guest]

Oh please do not take offense to this--Vitamin C converts to oxalate, it doesn't

lower it. Oxalates are a main focus for us, and Costen Owens says no more

than 100/mg a day. Calcium citrate or Magnesium citrate (or whatever form you

can tolerate) twenty minutes before meals to bind with the oxalate and keep it

from being absorbed.

group is trying_low_oxalates, in case you'd like more information.

I don't know much, but I do know this, LOL! I hope you find the information

helpful,

Amy

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Oregano, Trimethylglycine (TMG), and Grapefruit Seed Extract. The Grapefruit

Seed Extract tastes terrible and cause major stomach upset...but it is a very

powerful yeast killer. My kids can't tollerate it, so we take Olive Leaf Extract

, Grapeseed Extract, and TMG twice daily as well as a really high count

probiotic. The TMG is a really important part of killing off the yeast and

keeping it at bay. It kills any bad yeast that make their way to the upper

intestines where they proliferate. It also heals the lining of the gut to keep

yeast and yeast feeding foods from leaking into the bloodstream. We have seen

some amazing results and resitance to yeast since we started using it. I've also

heard it called Betaine HCI, Hydrochloric Acid, and Hyorlonic Acid (sp). Kirkman

Makes a great little allergen free TMG that's pretty cheap. As far as diet goes

completely illiminate yeast from the

> > diet until you get the levels down in his body. Lower the sugar intake for

a while. No yeast feeding foods like fungus (mushrooms, olives), it helps to use

only peelable fruits( but that's only if you feel you need to go that far), no

vinegar, no pickles....he he he, my son loves it when I tell him we're doing the

yeast detox so he can't have any beer:) I have a yeast detox diet from our

DAN...it's a three week detox. If you want I can e-mail you a copy

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[Guest guest]

> My son has recurrent C diff, and we just finished 5 days of Vancomycin. I

would really like to know if there is another way to keep this at bay?

Probiotics,prebiotics,oregano, anything!

I eliminated bad bacteria problems here with OLE and Culturelle.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I'd only take offense if you said " vitamin C converts to oxalate moron " he he

he. Uhhhh, yes regular vitamin C can cause oxalate problems. Oh shoot! Ok, now I

remember... taking buffered C before each meal increases glutathione, which will

reduce the oxalate in the body. I'll see if I can find a link to where I read

about that. I always welcome advice, even and even most especially if it's

proving me wrong. I don't want to screw up and I certainly don't want to screw

it up for somebody else. I definately need to check out that group...my poor son

is having the devil of a time with oxalate foods. I was just assuming this

before but are high phenol foods pretty much the same as high oxalate foods? I

can't remember why I made this association nd I've been too bust lately to do

any research into yet

[Guest guest]

Les

my son had a huge reaction to B6 but has been fine with kirkmans P5P (active

form of B6) which has the correct ratio of mg with it. This was part of

Rosemary Warings research regarding sulphation issues.

Best wishes

Alison R

On 11 September 2010 17:40, Burleson <lesburleson@...> wrote:

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> I'd only take offense if you said " vitamin C converts to oxalate moron "

> he he he. Uhhhh, yes regular vitamin C can cause oxalate problems. Oh shoot!

> Ok, now I remember... taking buffered C before each meal increases

> glutathione, which will reduce the oxalate in the body. I'll see if I can

> find a link to where I read about that. I always welcome advice, even and

> even most especially if it's proving me wrong. I don't want to screw up and

> I certainly don't want to screw it up for somebody else. I definately need

> to check out that group...my poor son is having the devil of a time with

> oxalate foods. I was just assuming this before but are high phenol foods

> pretty much the same as high oxalate foods? I can't remember why I made this

> association nd I've been too bust lately to do any research into yet

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[Guest guest]

Thanks so much I might try then when I'm ready to start the B vitamins again

Is there a place I can read Rosemary Werings stuff? I was just going to

google it, but if you know a good place to look I'd rather do that

[Guest guest]

Haha! You clearly know your stuff, so I actually started to doubt myself! There

was just a discussion on that oxalate list about vitamin C and left no

doubt about whether it's good for oxalates or not. My son is definitely doing

better now that we are addressing oxalates, and the " dumps " are very minor now

for him.

He is vit C deficient, so it's extremely hard for me to not to give it to him.

I'm just afraid of making the issue worse, so I stay away. Please go check out

that group, they are very helpful, and definitely knows her stuff too!

Although, the diet is really a pain in the you-know-what! I hate it.

--Amy

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> I'd only take offense if you said " vitamin C converts to oxalate moron " he

he he. Uhhhh, yes regular vitamin C can cause oxalate problems. Oh shoot! Ok,

now I remember... taking buffered C before each meal increases glutathione,

which will reduce the oxalate in the body. I'll see if I can find a link to

where I read about that. I always welcome advice, even and even most especially

if it's proving me wrong. I don't want to screw up and I certainly don't want to

screw it up for somebody else. I definately need to check out that group...my

poor son is having the devil of a time with oxalate foods. I was just assuming

this before but are high phenol foods pretty much the same as high oxalate

foods? I can't remember why I made this association nd I've been too bust lately

to do any research into yet

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[Guest guest]

When our DAN went over our testing my son was really high in vitamin C, and

oxalate. She said the high in C could have been from us giving him extra C

before the time of testing because the flu was going around. She said to stay

away from the C , but later in her notes she said to take buffered C before

meals to up glutathione. When I was reading about it

I read that raising glutathione will help reduce oxalate. I haven't even looked

for that link yet, sorry...it's been isane here and my husband is in Europe. I

will say my DAN was famously absent minded...so she may not have realized that

she said stay away from Vitamin C , then later said to take buffered Vitamin C .

But when I was reading about it I'm pretty sure I read it was ok, that it was

different than taking straight up Vitamin C. My daughter has high oxalate and

was low on Vitamin C, and the DAN did say that it was ok not to give it to her

even if she was deficient. You adress one issue at a time, and the oxalate was

the more serious issue. So I wouldn't worry about not giving Vitamin C to your

son, you can alwasy give it to him after you've fixed the oxalate problem. I

really want to try the LOD but my son is so limited in what he can eat I'm too

chicken so far. I am getting very close to just doing it though

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dana, and everyone! Seems like we are all dealing with this. I will look

over every suggestion, and do what we can.

Susi