Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Hi, My son is still on antifungal (DAY72) but we have changed to Nizoral (50mg/day) for the past 3 days. I retried MB12 shots on him last Wednesday, and he started touching his tongue a lot (which I understand is a positive sign that he he responding to the shot). He performed exceptionally well at his ABA for the next 3 days, very attentive, focused, fast response and riding his bike real fast too. Unfortunately, I also began to see his old stubborn behaviour returning and defiant behaviour more, along with aggitation, and refusing to follow our instructions (like getting on the train, going home, finishing play etc) along with super meltdowns (throwing himself on the floor, crying...in an absolute fit basically and refusing to compromise, losing control of himself), refusing to go into ABA, throwing things on the floor when things don't go his way. He also seems more wakeful in his sleep. He is also screaming in a high pitched scream more often and yelling very loudly from time to time. Are these emotional outbursts and meltdowns just side-effects of the MB12 or could this be a yeast flare (as vit B feeds yeast)? For info, I am also giving him everyday OLE as antibacterial control, cuturelle (2caps 2X per day), custom probiotic about 200 billion, as Factor 4 probiotic 40billion. Many thanks for any input. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Hi , We had regression, as well as progression, at the beginning of MB12 shots. I think I read that the adjustment period lasts up to 6 weeks, including sleep disturbances. Also, my son needed Foilc Acid to process the shots - it was suggested by Dana. It passed, as I hope your sons will. We were giving every 3 days, but found it was not enough, as his body would " run out " sooner. Now we give them every day. If I miss a day, it's noticeable. Hope this helps, Susi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 > My son is still on antifungal (DAY72) but we have changed to Nizoral (50mg/day) for the past 3 days. > I retried MB12 shots on him last Wednesday, > Unfortunately, I also began to see his old stubborn behaviour returning and defiant behaviour more, along with aggitation, and refusing to follow our instructions (like getting on the train, going home, finishing play etc) along with super meltdowns (throwing himself on the floor, crying...in an absolute fit basically and refusing to compromise, losing control of himself), refusing to go into ABA, throwing things on the floor when things don't go his way. He also seems more wakeful in his sleep. He is also screaming in a high pitched scream more often and yelling very loudly from time to time. > Are these emotional outbursts and meltdowns just side-effects of the MB12 or could this be a yeast flare (as vit B feeds yeast)? It sounds like yeast to me. >>For info, I am also giving him everyday OLE as antibacterial control, cuturelle (2caps 2X per day), custom probiotic about 200 billion, as Factor 4 probiotic 40billion. The OLE would also tend to increase yeast, if it is addressing viruses. Try increasing the yeast protocol. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 We did MB-12 for almost four months and unfortunately did not get rid of this behavior. Tried everything, folinic, extra magnesium, salt baths, etc. Many get past the aggression you mentioned, but we did not. Sara > > Hi, > > My son is still on antifungal (DAY72) but we have changed to Nizoral (50mg/day) for the past 3 days. > > I retried MB12 shots on him last Wednesday, and he started touching his tongue a lot (which I understand is a positive sign that he he responding to the shot). He performed exceptionally well at his ABA for the next 3 days, very attentive, focused, fast response and riding his bike real fast too. > > Unfortunately, I also began to see his old stubborn behaviour returning and defiant behaviour more, along with aggitation, and refusing to follow our instructions (like getting on the train, going home, finishing play etc) along with super meltdowns (throwing himself on the floor, crying...in an absolute fit basically and refusing to compromise, losing control of himself), refusing to go into ABA, throwing things on the floor when things don't go his way. He also seems more wakeful in his sleep. He is also screaming in a high pitched scream more often and yelling very loudly from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 We had the same aggressive results with B12. Adding folic and folinic did not help. We dc'd the B12 and spent a few weeks giving 5-methyl tetrahydrofolate. We had no aggression when restarting the B12 and have continued to give the 5-MTHF as a daily supp. > > > > Hi, > > > > My son is still on antifungal (DAY72) but we have changed to Nizoral (50mg/day) for the past 3 days. > > > > I retried MB12 shots on him last Wednesday, and he started touching his tongue a lot (which I understand is a positive sign that he he responding to the shot). He performed exceptionally well at his ABA for the next 3 days, very attentive, focused, fast response and riding his bike real fast too. > > > > Unfortunately, I also began to see his old stubborn behaviour returning and defiant behaviour more, along with aggitation, and refusing to follow our instructions (like getting on the train, going home, finishing play etc) along with super meltdowns (throwing himself on the floor, crying...in an absolute fit basically and refusing to compromise, losing control of himself), refusing to go into ABA, throwing things on the floor when things don't go his way. He also seems more wakeful in his sleep. He is also screaming in a high pitched scream more often and yelling very loudly from time to time. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 B12 shots can cause side reaction; these go away in time tho; anne. > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > My son is still on antifungal (DAY72) but we have changed to Nizoral (50mg/day) for the past 3 days. > > > > > > I retried MB12 shots on him last Wednesday, and he started touching his tongue a lot (which I understand is a positive sign that he he responding to the shot). He performed exceptionally well at his ABA for the next 3 days, very attentive, focused, fast response and riding his bike real fast too. > > > > > > Unfortunately, I also began to see his old stubborn behaviour returning and defiant behaviour more, along with aggitation, and refusing to follow our instructions (like getting on the train, going home, finishing play etc) along with super meltdowns (throwing himself on the floor, crying...in an absolute fit basically and refusing to compromise, losing control of himself), refusing to go into ABA, throwing things on the floor when things don't go his way. He also seems more wakeful in his sleep. He is also screaming in a high pitched scream more often and yelling very loudly from time to time. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 From what I understand, Methylators can be quite an individual thing and aggression and irritabilty is not uncommon. This was the case with my son, he did quite well at first but then had the above problems. IMO the problem with shots is that it is difficult to adjust the dose down to a level where there might not be these effects. Sometimes the aggression can last for quite a few weeks after stopping MB12. That is not to say that it might not be worth revisiting MB12 at a further stage, but it might be worth looking out for these kind of problems. As often said it's not a one size fits all. Cheers Kenny > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > My son is still on antifungal (DAY72) but we have changed to Nizoral (50mg/day) for the past 3 days. > > > > > > I retried MB12 shots on him last Wednesday, and he started touching his tongue a lot (which I understand is a positive sign that he he responding to the shot). He performed exceptionally well at his ABA for the next 3 days, very attentive, focused, fast response and riding his bike real fast too. > > > > > > Unfortunately, I also began to see his old stubborn behaviour returning and defiant behaviour more, along with aggitation, and refusing to follow our instructions (like getting on the train, going home, finishing play etc) along with super meltdowns (throwing himself on the floor, crying...in an absolute fit basically and refusing to compromise, losing control of himself), refusing to go into ABA, throwing things on the floor when things don't go his way. He also seems more wakeful in his sleep. He is also screaming in a high pitched scream more often and yelling very loudly from time to time. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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