Excessive tartar on teeth

[Guest guest]

>

> My husband and I have been on Bee's diet for about a year. I

went

> to the dentist about five months ago and the hygenist found lots of

> plaque on my teeth in unusual places. Now my husband just went in

for

> a check up and he too has excessive tartar.

> Why would this be? We are following Bee's diet to the tee. I

> have read in past posts that it could be the ratio of calcium to

> phosphorus is off. We eat tons of eggs so would think phosphorus

> levels should be adequate. Should we supplement phosphorus?

> Anyone else had this problem? What do you suggest Bee?

> Thanks, Shari

+++Hi Shari. Phosphorus is in all meats and eggs, so it is plentiful

if you are eating the proper ratios of protein.

You should be taking 300 mg calcium citrate and 300 mg magnesium

citrate ( " elemental amounts " only, which means the amount you absorb) 2

times a day. If your cal/mag products do not state " elemental amounts "

you may not be getting enough of them.

Minerals are only absorbed with enough acid, which is why it must be

the citrate form.

Also ensure you are taking enough ocean sea salt, which contains over

84 minerals since they work together with the minerals in supplements

and foods. Also eating enough " good " fats is important since it helps

pull nutrients from foods.

All of the other supplements, including betaine hydrochloric acid (to

digest minerals, etc.), should be taken, since the whole program works

together.

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]

I'm not having that problem at all. I had my teeth cleaned at the

dentist 2 months ago and everything was great. I just flossed today

for the first time in over a month, and I didn't even get hardly

anything on the piece of floss!

My guess is that it's either your brushing technique, OR more likely,

the toothpaste you're using. We use 50% VCO and 50% baking soda melted

and stirred together in a small container with about 25 drops of clove

oil. The baking soda is abrasive enough to keep the tartar under

control, but won't damage your teeth as far as I can tell.

Prior to my having my teeth cleaned 2 months ago, it had been 14

months. I floss about once per 2 months. Teeth are in great shape.

Doug

>

> My husband and I have been on Bee's diet for about a year. I

went

> to the dentist about five months ago and the hygenist found lots of

> plaque on my teeth in unusual places. Now my husband just went in

for

[Guest guest]

>

> My husband and I have been on Bee's diet for about a year. I went

> to the dentist about five months ago and the hygenist found lots of

> plaque on my teeth in unusual places. Now my husband just went in for

> a check up and he too has excessive tartar.

I experienced that my teeth got a bad layer on them (as I remember they had when

I ate real

sugar many years ago) and my teeth hurt a bit. I believe this was because I

took the C

vitamin as a powder that I put in a drink. Since I stopped this (and swallow it

as a tablet

instead) my teeth have felt a lot better but I didn't go to the dentist yet

since I started the

program so I don't know if they are truly better or not. I hope your teeth will

get better soon.

[Guest guest]

Hi Shari

A year and a half ago, my little girl had dreadful tartar (she was only

2 and a half). I'm not 100% sure, but I think it only became excessive

once we began Bee's diet. She had it scraped off by our dentist, but 2

weeks later it was all back. As a result, we've been back to the

dentist every 6 months for further scraping (we also bought a sharp

tool and carefully took off some ourselves in between visits). Last

time (after approximately a year and a half of following Bee's diet)

the dentist was amazed at the difference. Barely any tartar now. He

asked me " What have you done differently? " and was dumbfounded when I

told him it was all diet.

I think it just takes a long time for the body to readjust and heal. We

have made quite a few errors along the way, so maybe we could have

achieved the tartar conquest sooner without those mistakes. We'll never

know for sure.

We used to use an organic kid's toothpaste, but switched to salt/baking

soda a couple of weeks ago. I don't think that's had time to make an

impact. We only floss when she's got giant bits of meat stuck in

between her teeth.

Oh, and I've never been able to get Nina to take her supplements.

Sometimes she'll take cod liver oil and sometimes she'll have frozen

liver and for a few weeks she agreed to have vitamin C. But that's

about it.

I put it all down to Bee's excellent nutritional recommendations!

(Thanks Bee).

Hope you find Nina's story a bit reassuring . . .

>

> My husband and I have been on Bee's diet for about a year. I

went

> to the dentist about five months ago and the hygenist found lots of

> plaque on my teeth in unusual places. Now my husband just went in

for

> a check up and he too has excessive tartar.

> Anyone else had this problem? > Thanks, Shari

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I have a 6 year old son who has excessive tartar on his teeth. We

brush once or twice a day dispite his oral aversion. I've tried

giving him digestive enzymes diluted with water and syringed into his

mouth. I'm also been trying the l. reuteri probiotic drops from

Biogaia for a couple of months and the tartar continues to get worse.

Does anyone know what can cause this?

Thanks

Ed

[Guest guest]

Has he been checked out by the dentist? That's the way my son's teeth looked and

the dentist said it was demineralization.

From: Ed Wiseman <ed.a.wiseman@...>

Subject: Excessive tartar on teeth

Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 11:19 AM

 

Hello,

I have a 6 year old son who has excessive tartar on his teeth. We

brush once or twice a day dispite his oral aversion. I've tried

giving him digestive enzymes diluted with water and syringed into his

mouth. I'm also been trying the l. reuteri probiotic drops from

Biogaia for a couple of months and the tartar continues to get worse.

Does anyone know what can cause this?

Thanks

Ed

[Guest guest]

Yes, he's been to the dentist but he didn't say there was demineralization.

He did want to put him out for a cleaning and that scares me, especially

since we've been working hard to recover him from ASD and have been making

some progress.

Ed

On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 11:45 AM, drissia wright <ritzywright@...>wrote:

>

>

> Has he been checked out by the dentist? That's the way my son's teeth

> looked and the dentist said it was demineralization.

>

>

>

> From: Ed Wiseman <ed.a.wiseman@... <ed.a.wiseman%40gmail.com>>

> Subject: Excessive tartar on teeth

> <%40>

> Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 11:19 AM

>

>

>

>

> Hello,

> I have a 6 year old son who has excessive tartar on his teeth. We

> brush once or twice a day dispite his oral aversion. I've tried

> giving him digestive enzymes diluted with water and syringed into his

> mouth. I'm also been trying the l. reuteri probiotic drops from

> Biogaia for a couple of months and the tartar continues to get worse.

> Does anyone know what can cause this?

>

> Thanks

>

> Ed

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ed,

Our 4 year old son has had teeth problems lately. He had very bad tarter also

(despite brushing) and has some demineralization.

Don't have any complete answers yet but we have had a lot of reduction of tarter

by doing the following:

1. Gave him more saturated fat in his diet (including ghee, eggs, butter oil).

Added more cod liver oil.

2. Started giving him coconut kefir to drink every day.

3. After each meal we rinse his mouth with water and a quick water only brushing

as best we can.

4. Night time brushing: We stopped using toothpaste all together. I have read

that some toothpaste ingredients can help prevent tooth remineralization. We

use a regular tooth brush as best we can. Our son also has very sensitive

mouth/teeth. Then after the regular tooth brush we use these small plastic

" travel toothbrushes " . I am really able to clean his teeth well with these.

The brush part is rubber-like not bristles so for some reason he lets me brush

longer with this brush. Then we make a habit of swishing really good.

5. Also added a small amount of circumin to his meals once a day (75mg) to help

control yeast and inflammation in his gut.

So far these steps have seemed to really reduce the tarter. But he has a long

way to go until his teeth remineralize and look brighter/whiter. I will keep

you posted if we find out more that helps our son. Let me know if you find out

anything that really helps also.

Thanks and good luck.

>

> Hello,

> I have a 6 year old son who has excessive tartar on his teeth. We

> brush once or twice a day dispite his oral aversion. I've tried

> giving him digestive enzymes diluted with water and syringed into his

> mouth. I'm also been trying the l. reuteri probiotic drops from

> Biogaia for a couple of months and the tartar continues to get worse.

> Does anyone know what can cause this?

>

> Thanks

>

> Ed

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks . I'll try this. I haven't made kefir as of yet. I'm about to

order some kefir grains from someone locally here in the Toronto area. We

do GAPS/SCD yogurt now. How much cod liver oil do you give? We give 7.5 ml

once per day of the Genestra Cod Liver Oil Forte. We're on GAPS as I think

you probably and I prepare everything with logs of butter or ghee and we

give a raw egg yoke every day with soup made from bone broths (beef,

chicken). Maybe it's the dairy that's causing us grief or perhaps the fruit

we often put in the yogurt.

Ed

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:26 PM, m_jhouston333 <m_jhouston333@...>wrote:

>

>

> Hi Ed,

>

> Our 4 year old son has had teeth problems lately. He had very bad tarter

> also (despite brushing) and has some demineralization.

>

> Don't have any complete answers yet but we have had a lot of reduction of

> tarter by doing the following:

>

> 1. Gave him more saturated fat in his diet (including ghee, eggs, butter

> oil). Added more cod liver oil.

> 2. Started giving him coconut kefir to drink every day.

> 3. After each meal we rinse his mouth with water and a quick water only

> brushing as best we can.

> 4. Night time brushing: We stopped using toothpaste all together. I have

> read that some toothpaste ingredients can help prevent tooth

> remineralization. We use a regular tooth brush as best we can. Our son also

> has very sensitive mouth/teeth. Then after the regular tooth brush we use

> these small plastic " travel toothbrushes " . I am really able to clean his

> teeth well with these. The brush part is rubber-like not bristles so for

> some reason he lets me brush longer with this brush. Then we make a habit of

> swishing really good.

> 5. Also added a small amount of circumin to his meals once a day (75mg) to

> help control yeast and inflammation in his gut.

>

> So far these steps have seemed to really reduce the tarter. But he has a

> long way to go until his teeth remineralize and look brighter/whiter. I will

> keep you posted if we find out more that helps our son. Let me know if you

> find out anything that really helps also.

>

> Thanks and good luck.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Hello,

> > I have a 6 year old son who has excessive tartar on his teeth. We

> > brush once or twice a day dispite his oral aversion. I've tried

> > giving him digestive enzymes diluted with water and syringed into his

> > mouth. I'm also been trying the l. reuteri probiotic drops from

> > Biogaia for a couple of months and the tartar continues to get worse.

> > Does anyone know what can cause this?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Ed

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ed,

I think we give Gabe a 1/2 tsp of CLO.   Have you had good success with the Gaps

diet?  We have been on SCD and low oxalate for nearly 2 years and have had great

gains in behavior and talking but our son has not been growing and recently has

had the teeth issues. 

One other thing I forgot to mention is that we also stopped giving him most

supplements recently.  I just read today that too much calcium in the

bloodstream can actually cause a lot of plaque and tarter build up.  Maybe it

helps the bacteria to form biofilm???

Since we stopped the supplements he has had a lot less tarter and plaque.  But

his teeth are still in pretty bad shape.  We notice that when Gabe seems with-it

and healthy when his body seems to be feeling well his teeth have a whiter

glow.  When he is down behavior wise and you can see on his face he seems a

little toxic his teeth look more discolored and even a brownish/dark yellow tint

under the enamel.  Have you noticed anything like that?

We are going to take his to the doctor this week to see if we can get more clues

as to why his body chemistry is so off. 

>

>

> Hi Ed,

>

> Our 4 year old son has had teeth problems lately. He had very bad tarter

> also (despite brushing) and has some demineralization.

>

> Don't have any complete answers yet but we have had a lot of reduction of

> tarter by doing the following:

>

> 1. Gave him more saturated fat in his diet (including ghee, eggs, butter

> oil). Added more cod liver oil.

> 2. Started giving him coconut kefir to drink every day.

> 3. After each meal we rinse his mouth with water and a quick water only

> brushing as best we can.

> 4. Night time brushing: We stopped using toothpaste all together. I have

> read that some toothpaste ingredients can help prevent tooth

> remineralization. We use a regular tooth brush as best we can. Our son also

> has very sensitive mouth/teeth. Then after the regular tooth brush we use

> these small plastic " travel toothbrushes " . I am really able to clean his

> teeth well with these. The brush part is rubber-like not bristles so for

> some reason he lets me brush longer with this brush. Then we make a habit of

> swishing really good.

> 5. Also added a small amount of circumin to his meals once a day (75mg) to

> help control yeast and inflammation in his gut.

>

> So far these steps have seemed to really reduce the tarter. But he has a

> long way to go until his teeth remineralize and look brighter/whiter. I will

> keep you posted if we find out more that helps our son. Let me know if you

> find out anything that really helps also.

>

> Thanks and good luck.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Hello,

> > I have a 6 year old son who has excessive tartar on his teeth. We

> > brush once or twice a day dispite his oral aversion. I've tried

> > giving him digestive enzymes diluted with water and syringed into his

> > mouth. I'm also been trying the l. reuteri probiotic drops from

> > Biogaia for a couple of months and the tartar continues to get worse.

> > Does anyone know what can cause this?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Ed

> >

>

> 

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I wasn't sure just quite how much the GAPS diet was helping my son

until this past Monday when we had our 6 week follow up with his doctor. We

did some testing in his office and he is pretty certain we are making great

progress, at least internally, since our last visit with him 6 or 8 weeks

ago. My son is high functioning and quite verbal to begin with so

changes in him are less dramatic so its hard to quantify them especially

when you read stories about how some kids make huge progress with a

particular protocol or supplement almost overnight. I'm sure you know what

I mean. What I have noticed since we've started the GAPS diet 6 months ago

is 's can now focus for longer times and his " yeasty " (hyper)

behaviours are not as frequent and dramatic. We've been able to keep his

recurrent urinary tract infections under control with just cranberries for

now. He's back using the potty again - we regressed for a while over the

winter and had to go back to pull-ups. All in all its making a noticeable

difference, just not a " home run " experience. Just a bunch of " single hits "

that are starting to add up to some significant progress. I'm actually only

realizing this as I write this.

We have the growth issue as well. He's actually put on 3 or 4 pounds in the

last 6 months, probably related to GAPS. is somewhere around the

3rd percentile - but who's counting anyway.

We're not supplementing with calcium right now but I'll heed your warning.

We supplement with D3 and a little magnesium in the Kirkman Super Nu-Thera

and along with the enzymes which might mean that my son gets a little extra

calcium out of his SCD/GAPS goat milk yogurt or the beef bone broth I make

and use in soups, etc.

We've had a very similar experience with the teeth, just like Gabe.

gets a greyish type of coating and the teeth look more yellow when his

behaviour is off. I read on a GAPS site that this is sometimes seen during

a bacteria or yeast shift.

I hope you visit to the doctor goes well.

I have a question for you. I believe that a while back you mentioned that

Gabe used to have oral aversion and that a combination of zinc and curcumin

help him overcome this. Is this correct and how did that work out. My son

has not made any progress in feeding for a long time and we're

having a ton of trouble finding a feeding therapist anywhere near us who can

help. I'd like to just help him be cured of that, if it is possible.

Thanks

Ed

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Houston <m_jhouston333@...>wrote:

>

>

> Hi Ed,

>

> I think we give Gabe a 1/2 tsp of CLO. Have you had good success with the

> Gaps diet? We have been on SCD and low oxalate for nearly 2 years and have

> had great gains in behavior and talking but our son has not been growing and

> recently has had the teeth issues.

>

> One other thing I forgot to mention is that we also stopped giving him most

> supplements recently. I just read today that too much calcium in the

> bloodstream can actually cause a lot of plaque and tarter build up. Maybe

> it helps the bacteria to form biofilm???

>

> Since we stopped the supplements he has had a lot less tarter and plaque.

> But his teeth are still in pretty bad shape. We notice that when Gabe seems

> with-it and healthy when his body seems to be feeling well his teeth have a

> whiter glow. When he is down behavior wise and you can see on his face he

> seems a little toxic his teeth look more discolored and even a brownish/dark

> yellow tint under the enamel. Have you noticed anything like that?

>

> We are going to take his to the doctor this week to see if we can get more

> clues as to why his body chemistry is so off.

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > Hi Ed,

> >

> > Our 4 year old son has had teeth problems lately. He had very bad tarter

> > also (despite brushing) and has some demineralization.

> >

> > Don't have any complete answers yet but we have had a lot of reduction of

> > tarter by doing the following:

> >

> > 1. Gave him more saturated fat in his diet (including ghee, eggs, butter

> > oil). Added more cod liver oil.

> > 2. Started giving him coconut kefir to drink every day.

> > 3. After each meal we rinse his mouth with water and a quick water only

> > brushing as best we can.

> > 4. Night time brushing: We stopped using toothpaste all together. I have

> > read that some toothpaste ingredients can help prevent tooth

> > remineralization. We use a regular tooth brush as best we can. Our son

> also

> > has very sensitive mouth/teeth. Then after the regular tooth brush we use

> > these small plastic " travel toothbrushes " . I am really able to clean his

> > teeth well with these. The brush part is rubber-like not bristles so for

> > some reason he lets me brush longer with this brush. Then we make a habit

> of

> > swishing really good.

> > 5. Also added a small amount of circumin to his meals once a day (75mg)

> to

> > help control yeast and inflammation in his gut.

> >

> > So far these steps have seemed to really reduce the tarter. But he has a

> > long way to go until his teeth remineralize and look brighter/whiter. I

> will

> > keep you posted if we find out more that helps our son. Let me know if

> you

> > find out anything that really helps also.

> >

> > Thanks and good luck.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > > I have a 6 year old son who has excessive tartar on his teeth. We

> > > brush once or twice a day dispite his oral aversion. I've tried

> > > giving him digestive enzymes diluted with water and syringed into his

> > > mouth. I'm also been trying the l. reuteri probiotic drops from

> > > Biogaia for a couple of months and the tartar continues to get worse.

> > > Does anyone know what can cause this?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Ed

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ed,

Good to hear the progress on the GAPS diet and other things you are doing.  We

will be getting more into the GAPS diet soon.

That is interesting you notice the teeth issue with comes and goes along

with behavior issues.  We also notice that.  The past month or two our son's

behavior has regressed somewhat and his teeth look as bad as ever.  This also

seemed to correlate with an increase is some yeasty behaviors so we got him on

Nystatin and grapefruit seed extract and we hope it helps bring him back up. 

When we first started trying the SCD, GFCF, low oxalate, etc diets Gabe would

hardly eat anything with much texture but he was only 2 1/2 at the time.  We had

to grind up everything.  It was a mess.  He also didn't seem to have much of an

appetite. 

I don't remember exactly but I seem to recall that when we started giving him

higher doses  of enhansa he had a horrible die off reaction that lasted a couple

weeks.  We also started giving him zinc at night.  Shortly thereafter he started

eating foods without us having to grind them up.  I have the impression that

zinc really helped with this somehow.  And the enhansa helped reduce the gut

discomfort he was having.

Nowadays he will eat a lot of textures but some still bother him (like skin on

an apple).  But for the most part eating for him seems ok. 

I hope that helps.

Regards,

>

> >

> >

> > Hi Ed,

> >

> > Our 4 year old son has had teeth problems lately. He had very bad tarter

> > also (despite brushing) and has some demineralization.

> >

> > Don't have any complete answers yet but we have had a lot of reduction of

> > tarter by doing the following:

> >

> > 1. Gave him more saturated fat in his diet (including ghee, eggs, butter

> > oil). Added more cod liver oil.

> > 2. Started giving him coconut kefir to drink every day.

> > 3. After each meal we rinse his mouth with water and a quick water only

> > brushing as best we can.

> > 4. Night time brushing: We stopped using toothpaste all together. I have

> > read that some toothpaste ingredients can help prevent tooth

> > remineralization. We use a regular tooth brush as best we can. Our son

> also

> > has very sensitive mouth/teeth. Then after the regular tooth brush we use

> > these small plastic " travel toothbrushes " . I am really able to clean his

> > teeth well with these. The brush part is rubber-like not bristles so for

> > some reason he lets me brush longer with this brush. Then we make a habit

> of

> > swishing really good.

> > 5. Also added a small amount of circumin to his meals once a day (75mg)

> to

> > help control yeast and inflammation in his gut.

> >

> > So far these steps have seemed to really reduce the tarter. But he has a

> > long way to go until his teeth remineralize and look brighter/whiter. I

> will

> > keep you posted if we find out more that helps our son. Let me know if

> you

> > find out anything that really helps also.

> >

> > Thanks and good luck.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > > I have a 6 year old son who has excessive tartar on his teeth. We

> > > brush once or twice a day dispite his oral aversion. I've tried

> > > giving him digestive enzymes diluted with water and syringed into his

> > > mouth. I'm also been trying the l. reuteri probiotic drops from

> > > Biogaia for a couple of months and the tartar continues to get worse.

> > > Does anyone know what can cause this?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Ed

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>