Re: Newbie - copper question

[Guest guest]

Giving Zinc, Molybdenum and supplements such as Taurine, Glycine and

milkthistle to increase bile flow should help to reduce copper levels.

Kenny

> Hello all,

>

> I'm very glad to be here. I have a 12 yo dd diagnosed with

ADD/ODD,

> and a 15 yo ds, who is dyslexic/dysgraphic, has anxiety and was

> diagnosed with PANDAS about 4 years ago. Both of my kids tested

copper-

> toxic through hair analysis. Both my husband and I are not copper-

> toxic. Does anyone know what causes this, and what's the best way

to

> chelate? Our alternative dr. was surprised to see their results

and

> says it's some kind of anomaly. Her only recommendation is liver

> flushes. My son did one, and does not want to do anymore. My

daughter

> won't even try. What else can I try? I've read that ALA might

help.

> We do not have copper pipes, and I do not cook with any copper.

>

> And I'm wondering exactly how to interpret the hair analysis. Does

> high copper in the hair mean the body is getting *rid* of too much,

or

> does it mean there's too much in the body at all times.

>

> Thank you for any help.

>

> Y.

>

[Guest guest]

ALA will not help. It actually decreases excretion and it is advised

not to use ALA on a person high in copper. Hope this helps

 38 and Mom to three

Tasha 23..new Mommy ( means I am a Grammy )

Casey-Mae 13..sweet as pie

Elijah 2.. ASD and beautiful

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From: k.ozbo <k.ozbo@...>

Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 7:15:15 PM

Subject: Re: Newbie - copper question

Giving Zinc, Molybdenum and supplements such as Taurine, Glycine and

milkthistle to increase bile flow should help to reduce copper levels.

Kenny

> Hello all,

>

> I'm very glad to be here. I have a 12 yo dd diagnosed with

ADD/ODD,

> and a 15 yo ds, who is dyslexic/dysgraphic , has anxiety and was

> diagnosed with PANDAS about 4 years ago. Both of my kids tested

copper-

> toxic through hair analysis. Both my husband and I are not copper-

> toxic. Does anyone know what causes this, and what's the best way

to

> chelate? Our alternative dr. was surprised to see their results

and

> says it's some kind of anomaly. Her only recommendation is liver

> flushes. My son did one, and does not want to do anymore. My

daughter

> won't even try. What else can I try? I've read that ALA might

help.

> We do not have copper pipes, and I do not cook with any copper.

>

> And I'm wondering exactly how to interpret the hair analysis. Does

> high copper in the hair mean the body is getting *rid* of too much,

or

> does it mean there's too much in the body at all times.

>

> Thank you for any help.

>

> Y.

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you to everyone who has responded to my question.  I have Metagenics Zinc

Drink, and I gave each of my kids 1 tsp this morning.  Is that enough?  How long

do I give it to them?

 

Y.

Re: Newbie - copper question

Giving Zinc, Molybdenum and supplements such as Taurine, Glycine and

milkthistle to increase bile flow should help to reduce copper levels.

Kenny

> Hello all,

>

> I'm very glad to be here. I have a 12 yo dd diagnosed with

ADD/ODD,

> and a 15 yo ds, who is dyslexic/dysgraphic , has anxiety and was

> diagnosed with PANDAS about 4 years ago. Both of my kids tested

copper-

> toxic through hair analysis. Both my husband and I are not copper-

> toxic. Does anyone know what causes this, and what's the best way

to

> chelate? Our alternative dr. was surprised to see their results

and

> says it's some kind of anomaly. Her only recommendation is liver

> flushes. My son did one, and does not want to do anymore. My

daughter

> won't even try. What else can I try? I've read that ALA might

help.

> We do not have copper pipes, and I do not cook with any copper.

>

> And I'm wondering exactly how to interpret the hair analysis. Does

> high copper in the hair mean the body is getting *rid* of too much,

or

> does it mean there's too much in the body at all times.

>

> Thank you for any help.

>

> Y.

>

[Guest guest]

>I have Metagenics Zinc Drink, and I gave each of my kids 1 tsp this

morning. Is that enough? How long do I give it to them?

Hi

Just read the instructions, especially regarding how much water to give it

with. I seem to recall that its 1 mg zinc per 1 lb body weight when zinc

loading (in 3 - 5 year olds) so 1 teaspoon seems a heck of a lot. I

remember giving 1 ml (just under 1/4 teaspoon) in 100 mls of water of the

Metagenics Zinc drink to my son when he was little.

When my son was zinc deficient he didn't taste the zinc drink. Once his

levels were OK, he started complaining the drink was " yucky " , so you can

maybe use taste as a guide for your child.

Good luck

:-)

[Guest guest]

>

> Giving Zinc, Molybdenum and supplements such as Taurine, Glycine

and

> milkthistle to increase bile flow should help to reduce copper

levels.

>

> Kenny

>

> > Hello all,

> >

> > I'm very glad to be here. I have a 12 yo dd diagnosed with

> ADD/ODD,

> > and a 15 yo ds, who is dyslexic/dysgraphic , has anxiety and was

> > diagnosed with PANDAS about 4 years ago. Both of my kids tested

> copper-

> > toxic through hair analysis. Both my husband and I are not copper-

> > toxic. Does anyone know what causes this, and what's the best way

> to

> > chelate? Our alternative dr. was surprised to see their results

> and

> > says it's some kind of anomaly. Her only recommendation is liver

> > flushes. My son did one, and does not want to do anymore. My

> daughter

> > won't even try. What else can I try? I've read that ALA might

> help.

> > We do not have copper pipes, and I do not cook with any copper.

> >

> > And I'm wondering exactly how to interpret the hair analysis.

Does

> > high copper in the hair mean the body is getting *rid* of too

much,

> or

> > does it mean there's too much in the body at all times.

> >

> > Thank you for any help.

> >

> > Y.

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>Both of my kids tested copper-

> toxic through hair analysis.

Give zinc and molybdenum. Don't feed foods high in copper.

>>Does anyone know what causes this, and what's the best way to

> chelate?

Commonly caused by metal toxicity. You can use ALA to remove metals,

altho it won't help with the copper toxicity issue.

> And I'm wondering exactly how to interpret the hair analysis. Does

> high copper in the hair mean the body is getting *rid* of too much, or

> does it mean there's too much in the body at all times.

Generally means that the body is high in copper and is trying to

excrete the excess thru the hair.

Dana

[Guest guest]

What are high copper foods?

danasview wrote:

>

>>>Both of my kids tested copper-

>> toxic through hair analysis.

> Give zinc and molybdenum. Don't feed foods high in copper.

>>>Does anyone know what causes this, and what's the best way to

>> chelate?

> Commonly caused by metal toxicity. You can use ALA to remove metals,

> altho it won't help with the copper toxicity issue.

>> And I'm wondering exactly how to interpret the hair analysis. Does

>> high copper in the hair mean the body is getting *rid* of too much, or

>> does it mean there's too much in the body at all times.

> Generally means that the body is high in copper and is trying to

> excrete the excess thru the hair.

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

>

> What are high copper foods?

>

> Copper is found in organ meats, seafood, nuts, seeds and cocoa as

well as whole grain products.

http://www.ithyroid.com/copper.htm

COPPER

COPPER CONTENT IN FOOD - (Milligrams)

1 oz baking chocolate (unsweetened, dark) - .748

1 Tbsp molasses, blackstrap - .284

1 cup whole milk - .50

1 avocado - .527

10 dried figs - .585

1 cup raisins - .498

1/4 lb beef liver - 3.2

1/4 lb lamb liver - 6.2

1/4 lb veal liver - 9.0

1 duck liver - 2.62

1 goose liver - 7.07

1 turkey liver - .512

NUTS -

1/2 Cup almonds - .59

1/2 C Brazil nuts - 1.07

1/2 C cashews - 1.41

1/2 C hazelnuts - .86

1/2 C peanuts - .31

1/2 C pecans - .57

1/2 C shelled pistachios - .76

1/2 C pine nuts - 1.16

1/2 C pumpkin or squash seeds - .95

1/2 C sesame seeds - 1.2

1/2 C sunflower seeds -1.29

1/2 C walnuts - .70

2 Tbsp tahini (sesame seed butter) - .48

FISH -

1/4 lb cod - .57

1/4 lb haddock - .26

1/4 lb herring - .34

1/4 lb salmon - .22

1/4 lb trout - .37

1/2 cup tuna - .10

SHELLFISH -

1/4 lb crab - 1.47

1/4 lb lobster - 2.49

1/4 lb oysters - 1.36

1/4 lb scallops - .14

1/4 lb shrimp - .49

3.5 oz snails - .40

1 c asparagus - .20

1 c collard greens - .484

1 c cooked kidney beans .647

1 c cooked lentils - .54

1 c cooked lima beans - .519

1 c okra - .94

1 c paraley - .293

1 c green peas - .257

1 c cooked split peas - .50

3 medium pimientos - .60

1 c potato - .388

1 lg baking potato - flesh and skin - .26

1 c pumpkin - .33

1 c soybean sprouts - .30

1 cup spinach - .32

1 sweet potato - .22

1 cup tomato juice - .246

1 cup yams - .484

[Guest guest]

All about copper

http://www.tjclarkinc.com/minerals/copper.htm

 38 and Mom to three

Tasha 23..new Mommy ( means I am a Grammy )

Casey-Mae 13..sweet as pie

Elijah 2.. ASD and beautiful

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From: dana pope <danamichellepope@...>

" danasview@... " <danasview@...>

Cc: " " < >

Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2008 8:15:42 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Newbie - copper question

What are high copper foods?

danasview wrote:

>

>>>Both of my kids tested copper-

>> toxic through hair analysis.

> Give zinc and molybdenum. Don't feed foods high in copper.

>>>Does anyone know what causes this, and what's the best way to

>> chelate?

> Commonly caused by metal toxicity. You can use ALA to remove metals,

> altho it won't help with the copper toxicity issue.

>> And I'm wondering exactly how to interpret the hair analysis. Does

>> high copper in the hair mean the body is getting *rid* of too much, or

>> does it mean there's too much in the body at all times.

> Generally means that the body is high in copper and is trying to

> excrete the excess thru the hair.

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you. The only foods they are eating from the high copper list is avocado

but they eat at least two per day every day. Could this be what has caused a

high result on their recent blood test?

rafidainraouf wrote:

>

>>

>> What are high copper foods?

>>

>> Copper is found in organ meats, seafood, nuts, seeds and cocoa as

> well as whole grain products.

> http://www.ithyroid .com/copper. htm

> COPPER

> COPPER CONTENT IN FOOD - (Milligrams)

> 1 oz baking chocolate (unsweetened, dark) - .748

> 1 Tbsp molasses, blackstrap - .284

> 1 cup whole milk - .50

> 1 avocado - .527

> 10 dried figs - .585

> 1 cup raisins - .498

> 1/4 lb beef liver - 3.2

> 1/4 lb lamb liver - 6.2

> 1/4 lb veal liver - 9.0

> 1 duck liver - 2.62

> 1 goose liver - 7.07

> 1 turkey liver - .512

> NUTS -

> 1/2 Cup almonds - .59

> 1/2 C Brazil nuts - 1.07

> 1/2 C cashews - 1.41

> 1/2 C hazelnuts - .86

> 1/2 C peanuts - .31

> 1/2 C pecans - .57

> 1/2 C shelled pistachios - .76

> 1/2 C pine nuts - 1.16

> 1/2 C pumpkin or squash seeds - .95

> 1/2 C sesame seeds - 1.2

> 1/2 C sunflower seeds -1.29

> 1/2 C walnuts - .70

> 2 Tbsp tahini (sesame seed butter) - .48

> FISH -

> 1/4 lb cod - .57

> 1/4 lb haddock - .26

> 1/4 lb herring - .34

> 1/4 lb salmon - .22

> 1/4 lb trout - .37

> 1/2 cup tuna - .10

> SHELLFISH -

> 1/4 lb crab - 1.47

> 1/4 lb lobster - 2.49

> 1/4 lb oysters - 1.36

> 1/4 lb scallops - .14

> 1/4 lb shrimp - .49

> 3.5 oz snails - .40

> 1 c asparagus - .20

> 1 c collard greens - .484

> 1 c cooked kidney beans .647

> 1 c cooked lentils - .54

> 1 c cooked lima beans - .519

> 1 c okra - .94

> 1 c paraley - .293

> 1 c green peas - .257

> 1 c cooked split peas - .50

> 3 medium pimientos - .60

> 1 c potato - .388

> 1 lg baking potato - flesh and skin - .26

> 1 c pumpkin - .33

> 1 c soybean sprouts - .30

> 1 cup spinach - .32

> 1 sweet potato - .22

> 1 cup tomato juice - .246

> 1 cup yams - .484

>

[Guest guest]

I think its possible. Are their zinc levels low do you know?

 another article more specific to copper and autism. Didn't read

the whole thing but it says chocolate and avacados are very high

in copper. Might want to read for additional information

http://overcomingcandida.com/autism_copperheads.htm

38 and Mom to three

Tasha 23..new Mommy ( means I am a Grammy )

Casey-Mae 13..sweet as pie

Elijah 2.. ASD and beautiful

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From: dana pope <danamichellepope@...>

" rafidainraouf@... " <rafidainraouf@...>

Cc: " " < >

Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2008 8:29:41 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Newbie - copper question

Thank you. The only foods they are eating from the high copper list is avocado

but they eat at least two per day every day. Could this be what has caused a

high result on their recent blood test?

rafidainraouf wrote:

>

>>

>> What are high copper foods?

>>

>> Copper is found in organ meats, seafood, nuts, seeds and cocoa as

> well as whole grain products.

> http://www.ithyroid .com/copper. htm

> COPPER

> COPPER CONTENT IN FOOD - (Milligrams)

> 1 oz baking chocolate (unsweetened, dark) - .748

> 1 Tbsp molasses, blackstrap - .284

> 1 cup whole milk - .50

> 1 avocado - .527

> 10 dried figs - .585

> 1 cup raisins - .498

> 1/4 lb beef liver - 3.2

> 1/4 lb lamb liver - 6.2

> 1/4 lb veal liver - 9.0

> 1 duck liver - 2.62

> 1 goose liver - 7.07

> 1 turkey liver - .512

> NUTS -

> 1/2 Cup almonds - .59

> 1/2 C Brazil nuts - 1.07

> 1/2 C cashews - 1.41

> 1/2 C hazelnuts - .86

> 1/2 C peanuts - .31

> 1/2 C pecans - .57

> 1/2 C shelled pistachios - .76

> 1/2 C pine nuts - 1.16

> 1/2 C pumpkin or squash seeds - .95

> 1/2 C sesame seeds - 1.2

> 1/2 C sunflower seeds -1.29

> 1/2 C walnuts - .70

> 2 Tbsp tahini (sesame seed butter) - .48

> FISH -

> 1/4 lb cod - .57

> 1/4 lb haddock - .26

> 1/4 lb herring - .34

> 1/4 lb salmon - .22

> 1/4 lb trout - .37

> 1/2 cup tuna - .10

> SHELLFISH -

> 1/4 lb crab - 1.47

> 1/4 lb lobster - 2.49

> 1/4 lb oysters - 1.36

> 1/4 lb scallops - .14

> 1/4 lb shrimp - .49

> 3.5 oz snails - .40

> 1 c asparagus - .20

> 1 c collard greens - .484

> 1 c cooked kidney beans .647

> 1 c cooked lentils - .54

> 1 c cooked lima beans - .519

> 1 c okra - .94

> 1 c paraley - .293

> 1 c green peas - .257

> 1 c cooked split peas - .50

> 3 medium pimientos - .60

> 1 c potato - .388

> 1 lg baking potato - flesh and skin - .26

> 1 c pumpkin - .33

> 1 c soybean sprouts - .30

> 1 cup spinach - .32

> 1 sweet potato - .22

> 1 cup tomato juice - .246

> 1 cup yams - .484

>

[Guest guest]

This is an issue for my family as well and I've gotten a lot out of

other people's posts. I have a few quick thoughts to add. First,

since copper and zinc are antagonists people with high copper might

consider being tested for Pyrroluria, which is an inborn error of

hemoglobin synthesis that causes a deficiency of zinc and B6 (I have

read that about 25% of people on the spectrum have it). My ASD ds and

I both have it. Also, high copper levels are related to Histadelia,

which is the condition of having high levels of histamine in the

blood. Again, this condition is estimated to be much higher in the

ASD population than in the NT population (both of my sons and I have

this too).

I've also heard that this can be from having copper pipes- not sure

what to do about that! We have been supplementing with about 25 mgs

of zinc per day and are doing much better.

-Sierra

> >>

> >> What are high copper foods?

[Guest guest]

>

> What are high copper foods?

Check here, or use google

http://www.healthyeatingclub.com/info/books-phds/books/foodfacts/html/data/data5\

a.html

Dana