Re: Help. Encopresis/constipation & trying to go gluten free

June 28, 2010

Aloe vera, a glass of warm water and lemon juice first thing in the morning('ll

use it any time if I need to), juicing is supposed to help, probiotics.

Oxypowder which is mag. and vit c together. It comes in a capsule. Maybe try

increasing the cod liver oil. Mineral oil works here when we're desperate. I'm

not sure how healthy it is to use. Good luck

Help. Encopresis/constipation & trying to go gluten free

My 9 yr old son (wt. approx 50lb) has been suffering lately from constipation to

the point of encopresis. He's had the problem in the past, we had treated with

mag supps, fish oil & he got better. We backed off on the mag and now he's

having problems again & it's getting severe.

I've read the info from Dana's site and enzyme stuff (thanks both of you)

I'm not sure what to try next. He is back on mag citrate caps for the last month

or so (won't drink the liquid) I gave 600mg yesterday, just started vit C. I've

given him colace a couple times (every 4 days or so)

I want to get him tested for food allergies as every thing seems to point in

that direction.

My concern for right now is rice. I know it can be constipating but what about

rice flour, rice pasta and rice bread?

If I give him foods with that in it will it make it worse?

Also, I wanted to try him back on enzymes. We had tried it in the past but it

seem to cause constipation. I recently purchased Swanson brand BioCore DPP IV

Gluten Peptide Enzymes but am hesitant to use it with all the problems he is

currently having.

Any suggestions? We have Kaiser, I'm going to call them today to see if they

will test him for food allergies.

Thanks in advance!

June 28, 2010

,

Thanks for the advice. My ds can swallow just about any size pill, problem is

trying to get him to drink stuff. Only thing he will tolerate is water or milk.

I've tried getting him to drink juice and he'll reluctantly drink a little but

it's like pulling teeth to get him to down anything!

re: Oxypowder, just looked it up. The main ingredient is Mag from oxides, I've

read the oxide form can be constipating, but who knows, everyone is different.

How much mag should I give him? I worry about giving too much.

He's impacted so I don't know what to do to relieve that. We did s laxative

suppository last week which worked but I don't want to get into a habit of it.

Going to try gluten free brownies with pureed black beans and prunes today.

ps. We have been using Trader Joe's probiotics, can't tell if it's helping.

>

> Aloe vera, a glass of warm water and lemon juice first thing in the

morning('ll use it any time if I need to), juicing is supposed to help,

probiotics. Oxypowder which is mag. and vit c together. It comes in a capsule.

Maybe try increasing the cod liver oil. Mineral oil works here when we're

desperate. I'm not sure how healthy it is to use. Good luck

>

> Help. Encopresis/constipation & trying to go gluten free

>

> My 9 yr old son (wt. approx 50lb) has been suffering lately from constipation

to the point of encopresis. He's had the problem in the past, we had treated

with mag supps, fish oil & he got better. We backed off on the mag and now he's

having problems again & it's getting severe.

> I've read the info from Dana's site and enzyme stuff (thanks both of you)

> I'm not sure what to try next. He is back on mag citrate caps for the last

month or so (won't drink the liquid) I gave 600mg yesterday, just started vit C.

I've given him colace a couple times (every 4 days or so)

> I want to get him tested for food allergies as every thing seems to point in

that direction.

> My concern for right now is rice. I know it can be constipating but what about

rice flour, rice pasta and rice bread?

> If I give him foods with that in it will it make it worse?

> Also, I wanted to try him back on enzymes. We had tried it in the past but it

seem to cause constipation. I recently purchased Swanson brand BioCore DPP IV

Gluten Peptide Enzymes but am hesitant to use it with all the problems he is

currently having.

>

> Any suggestions? We have Kaiser, I'm going to call them today to see if they

will test him for food allergies.

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

June 28, 2010

Hi,

Mineral oil blocks absorption of nutrients, so only use it as a last resort,

especially if your child is on a restricted diet so you're doing supplements

already: you don't want them to miss anything.

Regarding your question about food allergy testing and the GFCF diet:

Most allergists only do IgE (immediate reaction, hives, throwing up, anaphylaxis

(sp?), etc.) testing, and feel there is no value in IgG (delayed reaction, can

show up anywhere in the body or in behavior) testing. A person can be reactive

to a particular food only IgG and not IgE (I don't know if the reverse is

possible).

The GFCF diet is not just for people who are allergic (intolerant is often the

term used for non-IgE sensitivities) to a particular food, but also for those

who are unable to completely metabolize the proteins involved in gluten and/or

casein, who may or may not have other tolerance issues for these foods. The

problem is that they apparently break them down only to the level of peptides

(chains of amino acids) instead of all the way to amino acids, and the end

results are relatives of morphine (gluteo-morphin and caso-morphin, again not

sure on the spelling). This is where the high pain tolerance, constipation, and

other symptoms come from when they ingest gluten and/or casein (and soy often

reacts similarly as it's also not fully metabolized, so don't substitute soy

flour for wheat flour and/or soy milk for cows' milk when working onto the

diet).

It is recommended because of the drug-like effects of the gluten and casein if

your child is incompletely metabolizing them that you not take your child " cold

turkey " off wheat and milk, or you'll end up with the equivalent of an addict in

withdrawal. Here is one plan for going gradually enough that you will limit the

likelihood/severity of any withdrawal symptoms:

http://gfcf-diet.talkaboutcuringautism.org/gfcf-in-10-weeks.htm

(by the way, the tacanow.org website is loaded!, so spend some time exploring

it).

Hope this helps.

From: w3m1@... <w3m1@...>

Subject: Re: Help. Encopresis/constipation & trying to go gluten free

Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 1:24 PM

Aloe vera, a glass of warm water and lemon juice first thing in the morning('ll

use it any time if I need to), juicing is supposed to help, probiotics.

Oxypowder which is mag. and vit c together. It comes in a capsule. Maybe try

increasing the cod liver oil. Mineral oil works here when we're desperate. I'm

not sure how healthy it is to use. Good luck

Help. Encopresis/constipation & trying to go gluten free

My 9 yr old son (wt. approx 50lb) has been suffering lately from constipation to

the point of encopresis. He's had the problem in the past, we had treated with

mag supps, fish oil & he got better. We backed off on the mag and now he's

having problems again & it's getting severe.

I've read the info from Dana's site and enzyme stuff (thanks both of you)

I'm not sure what to try next. He is back on mag citrate caps for the last month

or so (won't drink the liquid) I gave 600mg yesterday, just started vit C. I've

given him colace a couple times (every 4 days or so)

I want to get him tested for food allergies as every thing seems to point in

that direction.

My concern for right now is rice. I know it can be constipating but what about

rice flour, rice pasta and rice bread?

If I give him foods with that in it will it make it worse?

Also, I wanted to try him back on enzymes. We had tried it in the past but it

seem to cause constipation. I recently purchased Swanson brand BioCore DPP IV

Gluten Peptide Enzymes but am hesitant to use it with all the problems he is

currently having.

Any suggestions? We have Kaiser, I'm going to call them today to see if they

will test him for food allergies.

Thanks in advance!

June 28, 2010

,

Thank you, that does help a lot.

I'm wondering if I should give him the enzymes while in transition. I'm worried

it might make the constipation worse.

thanks,

>

> From: w3m1@... <w3m1@...>

> Subject: Re: Help. Encopresis/constipation & trying to go gluten

free

>

> Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 1:24 PM

>

> Aloe vera, a glass of warm water and lemon juice first thing in the

morning('ll use it any time if I need to), juicing is supposed to help,

probiotics. Oxypowder which is mag. and vit c together. It comes in a capsule.

Maybe try increasing the cod liver oil. Mineral oil works here when we're

desperate. I'm not sure how healthy it is to use. Good luck

>

> Help. Encopresis/constipation & trying to go gluten free

>

> My 9 yr old son (wt. approx 50lb) has been suffering lately from constipation

to the point of encopresis. He's had the problem in the past, we had treated

with mag supps, fish oil & he got better. We backed off on the mag and now he's

having problems again & it's getting severe.

> I've read the info from Dana's site and enzyme stuff (thanks both of you)

> I'm not sure what to try next. He is back on mag citrate caps for the last

month or so (won't drink the liquid) I gave 600mg yesterday, just started vit C.

I've given him colace a couple times (every 4 days or so)

> I want to get him tested for food allergies as every thing seems to point in

that direction.

> My concern for right now is rice. I know it can be constipating but what about

rice flour, rice pasta and rice bread?

> If I give him foods with that in it will it make it worse?

> Also, I wanted to try him back on enzymes. We had tried it in the past but it

seem to cause constipation. I recently purchased Swanson brand BioCore DPP IV

Gluten Peptide Enzymes but am hesitant to use it with all the problems he is

currently having.

>

> Any suggestions? We have Kaiser, I'm going to call them today to see if they

will test him for food allergies.

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

June 28, 2010

If you go on the GHC they have a colon program for the oxypowder. I've gone up

to 1200 mg in a day to get things going .I've done 3000mg for myself of vitamin

c. My daughter is 100 lbs. How about applesauce? Exercise- jumping on a

trampoline. You are right everyone is different and we just need to find the

thing that works for us. 's aloe is tasteless in water and works pretty

well.

Help. Encopresis/constipation & trying to go gluten free

>

> My 9 yr old son (wt. approx 50lb) has been suffering lately from constipation

to the point of encopresis. He's had the problem in the past, we had treated

with mag supps, fish oil & he got better. We backed off on the mag and now he's

having problems again & it's getting severe.

> I've read the info from Dana's site and enzyme stuff (thanks both of you)

> I'm not sure what to try next. He is back on mag citrate caps for the last

month or so (won't drink the liquid) I gave 600mg yesterday, just started vit C.

I've given him colace a couple times (every 4 days or so)

> I want to get him tested for food allergies as every thing seems to point in

that direction.

> My concern for right now is rice. I know it can be constipating but what about

rice flour, rice pasta and rice bread?

> If I give him foods with that in it will it make it worse?

> Also, I wanted to try him back on enzymes. We had tried it in the past but it

seem to cause constipation. I recently purchased Swanson brand BioCore DPP IV

Gluten Peptide Enzymes but am hesitant to use it with all the problems he is

currently having.

>

> Any suggestions? We have Kaiser, I'm going to call them today to see if they

will test him for food allergies.

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

June 28, 2010

Hi ,

One way of doing enzymes I've heard is to add them gradually before taking the

gluten/casein/soy-containing foods away, so that by the time you remove the

foods, if you decide to do that and the enzymes both, they're no longer getting

the drug effects from them. I don't know if this is still a recommended option

or not, however. I don't know about the question of constipation with the

enzymes.

Sorry I can't be of more help. Maybe someone else can give more information.

From: carsnmotorcycles <athomenetjobs@...>

Subject: Re: Help. Encopresis/constipation & trying to go gluten free

Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 1:59 PM

,

Thank you, that does help a lot.

I'm wondering if I should give him the enzymes while in transition. I'm worried

it might make the constipation worse.

thanks,

>

> From: w3m1@... <w3m1@...>

> Subject: Re: Help. Encopresis/constipation & trying to go gluten

free

>

> Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 1:24 PM

>

> Aloe vera, a glass of warm water and lemon juice first thing in the

morning('ll use it any time if I need to), juicing is supposed to help,

probiotics. Oxypowder which is mag. and vit c together. It comes in a capsule.

Maybe try increasing the cod liver oil. Mineral oil works here when we're

desperate. I'm not sure how healthy it is to use. Good luck

>

> Help. Encopresis/constipation & trying to go gluten free

>

> My 9 yr old son (wt. approx 50lb) has been suffering lately from constipation

to the point of encopresis. He's had the problem in the past, we had treated

with mag supps, fish oil & he got better. We backed off on the mag and now he's

having problems again & it's getting severe.

> I've read the info from Dana's site and enzyme stuff (thanks both of you)

> I'm not sure what to try next. He is back on mag citrate caps for the last

month or so (won't drink the liquid) I gave 600mg yesterday, just started vit C.

I've given him colace a couple times (every 4 days or so)

> I want to get him tested for food allergies as every thing seems to point in

that direction.

> My concern for right now is rice. I know it can be constipating but what about

rice flour, rice pasta and rice bread?

> If I give him foods with that in it will it make it worse?

> Also, I wanted to try him back on enzymes. We had tried it in the past but it

seem to cause constipation. I recently purchased Swanson brand BioCore DPP IV

Gluten Peptide Enzymes but am hesitant to use it with all the problems he is

currently having.

>

> Any suggestions? We have Kaiser, I'm going to call them today to see if they

will test him for food allergies.

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

June 29, 2010

different forms of magnesium will help with constipation -- magnesium

oxide is good, I believe.

I've got my daughter on a daily dose of liquid paraffin because it

breaks up hard stool without causing cramps so if you have a blockage it

will break it up. After that adding fibre allows the stool to move more

easily.

If you use rice make sure it's brown, better for you (loads of Bvits)

plus fibre

Sally

carsnmotorcycles wrote:

> My 9 yr old son (wt. approx 50lb) has been suffering lately from constipation

to the point of encopresis. He's had the problem in the past, we had treated

with mag supps, fish oil & he got better. We backed off on the mag and now he's

having problems again & it's getting severe.

> I've read the info from Dana's site and enzyme stuff (thanks both of you)

> I'm not sure what to try next. He is back on mag citrate caps for the last

month or so (won't drink the liquid) I gave 600mg yesterday, just started vit C.

I've given him colace a couple times (every 4 days or so)

> I want to get him tested for food allergies as every thing seems to point in

that direction.

> My concern for right now is rice. I know it can be constipating but what about

rice flour, rice pasta and rice bread?

> If I give him foods with that in it will it make it worse?

> Also, I wanted to try him back on enzymes. We had tried it in the past but it

seem to cause constipation. I recently purchased Swanson brand BioCore DPP IV

Gluten Peptide Enzymes but am hesitant to use it with all the problems he is

currently having.

>

> Any suggestions? We have Kaiser, I'm going to call them today to see if they

will test him for food allergies.

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> ------------------------------------

>

June 29, 2010

liquid paraffin and mineral oil are the same. There's science about its

safety for use up to six months at a time. Tastes weird so you must put

it into something nice. I put it in a fruit smoothie (figs in the

smoothie for added oomph)

Sally

w3m1@... wrote:

> Aloe vera, a glass of warm water and lemon juice first thing in the

morning('ll use it any time if I need to), juicing is supposed to help,

probiotics. Oxypowder which is mag. and vit c together. It comes in a capsule.

Maybe try increasing the cod liver oil. Mineral oil works here when we're

desperate. I'm not sure how healthy it is to use. Good luck

>

> Help. Encopresis/constipation & trying to go gluten free

>

> My 9 yr old son (wt. approx 50lb) has been suffering lately from constipation

to the point of encopresis. He's had the problem in the past, we had treated

with mag supps, fish oil & he got better. We backed off on the mag and now he's

having problems again & it's getting severe.

> I've read the info from Dana's site and enzyme stuff (thanks both of you)

> I'm not sure what to try next. He is back on mag citrate caps for the last

month or so (won't drink the liquid) I gave 600mg yesterday, just started vit C.

I've given him colace a couple times (every 4 days or so)

> I want to get him tested for food allergies as every thing seems to point in

that direction.

> My concern for right now is rice. I know it can be constipating but what about

rice flour, rice pasta and rice bread?

> If I give him foods with that in it will it make it worse?

> Also, I wanted to try him back on enzymes. We had tried it in the past but it

seem to cause constipation. I recently purchased Swanson brand BioCore DPP IV

Gluten Peptide Enzymes but am hesitant to use it with all the problems he is

currently having.

>

> Any suggestions? We have Kaiser, I'm going to call them today to see if they

will test him for food allergies.

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

June 29, 2010

There's some dispute about whether it blocks absorption of fat soluble

vitamins and the general opinion seems to be that it is not absorbed at

all.

If you are considering it then read up for yourself. It has worked for

us with no problems except cheerfulness

Sally

Brattin wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Mineral oil blocks absorption of nutrients, so only use it as a last resort,

especially if your child is on a restricted diet so you're doing supplements

already: you don't want them to miss anything.

>

> Regarding your question about food allergy testing and the GFCF diet:

>

> Most allergists only do IgE (immediate reaction, hives, throwing up,

anaphylaxis (sp?), etc.) testing, and feel there is no value in IgG (delayed

reaction, can show up anywhere in the body or in behavior) testing. A person can

be reactive to a particular food only IgG and not IgE (I don't know if the

reverse is possible).

>

> The GFCF diet is not just for people who are allergic (intolerant is often the