Re: reaction after taking enzyme (Zycarb)

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I would stop the zycarb for a 3 day period or so to see if the behavior stops

if so try an alternative

reaction after taking enzyme (Zycarb)

I have been experimenting with Zycarb on my 3 year old autistic son

for the past few weeks. I usually hide the enzyme in the first few

bites of his food. I notice that he seems to be always laughing for

no reason after ingesting the enzyme with his meals. In fact on the

first day when we introduced 1 capsule of zycarb with each meal, he

was in hysterics after dinner.

I think there may be something wrong given the way he is laughing

away though I cannot figure out why. Has anyone had similar

experiences as me?

anyway, a week after starting my son on Zycarb, he came down with a

soar throat and ear infection and was on a course of anti-biotics

(augmentin).

I am sure as a result of the anti-biotics, his gut is even more

messed up. This is evidenced by his behaviour lately - not

responding to his name being called, and generally less interactive.

The other thing I notice during the course of anti-biotics was that

he developed some pimple like spots on his bottom (he always has a

red ring around his anus - but on his CDSA he tested negative for

yeast and parasites, and my naturopath suspects it is food

intolerance causing the redness).

I am really gutted by his condition and have no idea how to tackle

all these problems. Our DAN doctor is not very helpful but we have

little choice in the place where we live. Could anyone please help

me?

Many thanks

Sandy

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>

> I have been experimenting with Zycarb on my 3 year old autistic son

> for the past few weeks. I usually hide the enzyme in the first few

> bites of his food. I notice that he seems to be always laughing for

> no reason after ingesting the enzyme with his meals. In fact on the

> first day when we introduced 1 capsule of zycarb with each meal, he

> was in hysterics after dinner.

Usually laughing like this is caused by yeast overgrowth, but

sometimes by intolerances. He might not tolerate the Zycarb, or the

better digestion of the food might be increasing his yeast.

> anyway, a week after starting my son on Zycarb, he came down with a

> soar throat and ear infection and was on a course of anti-biotics

> (augmentin).

At my house, ear infections were caused by yeast overgrowth.

> The other thing I notice during the course of anti-biotics was that

> he developed some pimple like spots on his bottom (he always has a

> red ring around his anus - but on his CDSA he tested negative for

> yeast and parasites, and my naturopath suspects it is food

> intolerance causing the redness).

I would speculate that the test was not accurate. All of these

symptoms you are writing, appear to indicate yeast.

Pimples on the bottom can also be viral die off.

Dana

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Dana, thanks a lot for your very detailed reply.

 

I have since suspended the enzymes for a week.  In the meantime, I have also

made the following changes in his supplements/ diet:-

 

- introduced biotin

- started with GSE (been on it for the past 8 days, with first 5 days 1

drop/day, and for last 3 days 2 drops/ day)

- increased his intake of custom pro-biotics to 2 scoops per day (previous 1

scoop per day)

- just shortly before I suspended the ZyCarb, I also introduced Childlife Vit-C

(500mg each day), which I read also contains GSE in it

- vastly reduced gluten intake a few days after we removed Zycarb

 

the difference in him that I notice in my son (as compared to a week ago whilst

being on Zycarb) are:

 

- no more silly laughs after dinner (but overall still jolly as he always has

been)

- no more posturing over furniture (he was doing this even before we started

enzymes, but it seemed to have peaked after we introduced enzymes and was doing

it a lot during meal times);

- anal red ring disappeared on application of sorbelene cream;

- the red piimples on bottom started receding very quickly after I introduced

sorbelene cream and changed and washed his bottom more frequently.

 

My gut feeling is that he has quite bad yeast issues, because he has a history

of repeated ear infections and intake of antibiotics (since april, he has had 3

courses of antibiotics to treat ear infection).  His OAT urine test also shows

high glycolate (72 as opposed to ref range of 0-1.7) which according to my

understanding means he has high sugar.

 

My naturopath says that my son has problem digesting carbodydrates which is why

I introduced Zycarb to help with that problem.  But I speculate that may have

broken down his sugar to feed the yeast more.

 

I am keen to introduce enzymes again to help the gut healing exercise but I am

also concerned that it may worsen the yeast issue.  What suggestions do you have

to deal with this problem?  Should I up his yeast protocol when I re-introduce

the enzyme?  What non-prescriptive remedy apart from GSE can be used to control

yeast? 

 

His CDSA also revealed he does not have lacitobillus bacteria and has overgrowth

of the bad bacteria Klebsiella pneumonia, which is collaborated by the high

bacterial dysbiosis markers showed up on his OAT urine test.  If I keep the

yeast at bay, would that cause bacterial flarring up?

 

Sorry for so many questions but I feel really lost and am cluless about where to

go from here.  We have done bio-med for a year with little success (my fault for

not controlling his gluten intake).  It breaks my heart to see my little boy

looking pale like a ghost and the dark cirlces around his eyes worsening.  I

have decided to be a full time mom and make sure we try to restrict gluten as

much as we can.

 

Many thanks in advance for your help.

 

 

From: danasview <danasview@...>

Subject: Re: reaction after taking enzyme (Zycarb)

Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 1:32 PM

>

> I have been experimenting with Zycarb on my 3 year old autistic son

> for the past few weeks. I usually hide the enzyme in the first few

> bites of his food. I notice that he seems to be always laughing for

> no reason after ingesting the enzyme with his meals. In fact on the

> first day when we introduced 1 capsule of zycarb with each meal, he

> was in hysterics after dinner.

Usually laughing like this is caused by yeast overgrowth, but

sometimes by intolerances. He might not tolerate the Zycarb, or the

better digestion of the food might be increasing his yeast.

> anyway, a week after starting my son on Zycarb, he came down with a

> soar throat and ear infection and was on a course of anti-biotics

> (augmentin).

At my house, ear infections were caused by yeast overgrowth.

> The other thing I notice during the course of anti-biotics was that

> he developed some pimple like spots on his bottom (he always has a

> red ring around his anus - but on his CDSA he tested negative for

> yeast and parasites, and my naturopath suspects it is food

> intolerance causing the redness).

I would speculate that the test was not accurate. All of these

symptoms you are writing, appear to indicate yeast.

Pimples on the bottom can also be viral die off.

Dana

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> - no more silly laughs after dinner (but overall still jolly as he

always has been)

> - no more posturing over furniture (he was doing this even before we

started enzymes, but it seemed to have peaked after we introduced

enzymes and was doing it a lot during meal times);

> - anal red ring disappeared on application of sorbelene cream;

> - the red piimples on bottom started receding very quickly after I

introduced sorbelene cream and changed and washed his bottom more

frequently.

> My gut feeling is that he has quite bad yeast issues,

Yes, everything you wrote above, can be related to yeast overgrowth.

> My naturopath says that my son has problem digesting carbodydrates

which is why I introduced Zycarb to help with that problem. But I

speculate that may have broken down his sugar to feed the yeast more.

This can happen, depending on how much sugar/carb he eats, and other

factors.

> I am keen to introduce enzymes again to help the gut healing

exercise but I am also concerned that it may worsen the yeast issue.

What suggestions do you have to deal with this problem?

Try adding the enzyme at half-dose, and keep the yeast protocol high.

>> Should I up his yeast protocol when I re-introduce the enzyme?

You can consider that. I would increase biotin first.

>> What non-prescriptive remedy apart from GSE can be used to control

yeast?

Biotin, oil of oregano, caprylic acid, raw garlic, a few other things.

> His CDSA also revealed he does not have lacitobillus bacteria and

has overgrowth of the bad bacteria Klebsiella pneumonia, which is

collaborated by the high bacterial dysbiosis markers showed up on his

OAT urine test. If I keep the yeast at bay, would that cause

bacterial flarring up?

Not exactly sure, since my son did not have this problem that I know

of. The only bad bacteria that I had to work on was strep, which I

eliminated with olive leaf extract.

>>It breaks my heart to see my little boy looking pale like a ghost

and the dark cirlces around his eyes worsening.

Phenol issues and milk issues are common causes of dark circles

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

>>I have decided to be a full time mom and make sure we try to

restrict gluten as much as we can.

HNI AFP Peptizyde allowed my son to eat gluten again. Does not allow

all kids to eat gluten again, but you can try it for the occasional

bit that he gets, and cross contamination issues, see if that helps.

Dana