Re: Virastop and Tourettes Syndrome

[Guest guest]

Lynn,

My daughter's tourettes was indeed caused by strep. It is a

condition known as PANDAS.

You have to be careful with GSE because it can cause a bacterial

growth ... and in my son ... this causes the aggression that you are

describing.

Are you giving probiotics to keep the good yeast growing while you

are killing off the bad ones...

What happened when he was on OLE? If his tics increased initially it

could have been that you were starting to drawl out the gut infection

of strep ... For my daughter at first things got really bad. But as

we pushed through that her tics reduced more and more. Now it is

almost inperceptable.... It use to be so bad that she had trouble

even holding a glass of water ... but now she is doing great. She

use to get made fun of alot... But anymore ... her friends don't

even know. Just this past couple of months ago a kid in her Spanish

class was making fun of people with tourettes .... and she asked him

why. He said they are all such retards. She smiled. She is the top

student in the Spanish class and every knows it. She listened for

awhile longer ... got back her test scores ... and then said.

Hmmm... I guess I am not a retard. He told her of course not. She

told him ... I have tourettes. He was silenced ...

But her victory was two fold. She had stood up for her integrity ...

and for all kids with tourettes ... and she realized for the first

time just how much healing had come her way... for this kid to have

no clue.

We also use virastop ... but haven't gone that high yet. Perhaps we

should consider that.. maybe it could help finish her healign.

The fact that he had a cold sore ... lyseine often helps kill the

virus that causes those. My daughter is also on lyseine. She too

takes enzymes. She is also on a strict diet ... gfcfcfsf and free of

many other things like yeast, sugar,eggs and tomatos... It has been

tough on her ... but she has grown to love her knew life because she

is no longer suffering with tourettes. She no longer needs

medication to stop the migraines caused by the massive head jerks ...

she no longer needs the clonidine to help her body be still... And

life is good.

That is why I am soo concerned about her trip to NY.

Melinda

>

> My DS has Tourettes Syndrome complicated by some ADHD and OCD, plus

> some mood problems (but he is also starting adolescence, so who

knows

> what is driving this.) He is intolerant of many many

> supplements--they either increase ticcing (HNI did this) or make him

> aggressive and weepy. He has done very well on Enzymedica Digest

Gold

> plus Glutenease at meals. I am also in the yeast fight, more on that

> in a minute

>

> I started him on OLE, it was another supplement that he couldnt'

> tolerate but in the time he was on it, he developed cold sores and a

> wart, both of which we had not seen. The cold sores were gone

within

> a week, the wart remains. Vitamin C was also not tolerated

>

> This made me think that he might have viral issues, so I decided to

> try 's Virastop protocol. We are up to 6 Virastop and 4

> Candidase, divided into 2 doses, per day. It took us about a week

and

> a half to get here. He has been a bit happier, less likely to fall

> into rages, a bit more able to concentrate. However, his ticcing

and

> OCDish behavior has increased substantially and increases more as I

> increase the dose. So one issue I have is whether the ticcing will

go

> away after I stop the enzymes or whether it will fail to reverse.

>

> The second issue is whether or not both ticcing and OCD are yeast

> related. This came to a head yesterday when he had a really bad rage

> attack. I had been trying to alternate GSE (6 drops twice a day)

and

> Biocidin (5 drops twice a day). This was on the Biocidin side, and

it

> sort of appears that either the Biocidin is not sufficiently

effective

> or is not tolerated.

> This is discouraging because so far, of all the yeast fighters,

> Biocidin was the only one other than GSE that he could deal with

over

> time. Biotin, garlic, pau d'arco were all busts. So I gave him GSE

> last night and this morning all was happy again.

>

> The advice I'm looking for is should I keep increasing the dose

> despite the ticcing, and is it OK to just give him GSE for the

entire

> Virastop experiment. Any help is greatly appreciated. Wish there

> were better street maps in this country of the spectrum!

>

> Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

> I started him on OLE, it was another supplement that he couldnt'

> tolerate but in the time he was on it, he developed cold sores and a

> wart, both of which we had not seen. The cold sores were gone within

> a week, the wart remains.

At my house, both cold sores and warts were eliminated with lysine.

> This made me think that he might have viral issues, so I decided to

> try 's Virastop protocol. We are up to 6 Virastop and 4

> Candidase, divided into 2 doses, per day. It took us about a week and

> a half to get here. He has been a bit happier, less likely to fall

> into rages, a bit more able to concentrate. However, his ticcing and

> OCDish behavior has increased substantially and increases more as I

> increase the dose.

Try increasing the yeast protocol. I used biotin and GSE to control

yeast. Viral die off tends to cause a lot of yeast. And one of my

kids had tics from yeast.

> The second issue is whether or not both ticcing and OCD are yeast

> related.

At my house, most tics were related to yeast, some to viruses. OCD

was about 50% viruses, 20% yeast, and 30% mB12/TMG/folic/carnitine.

> This is discouraging because so far, of all the yeast fighters,

> Biocidin was the only one other than GSE that he could deal with over

> time. Biotin, garlic, pau d'arco were all busts. So I gave him GSE

> last night and this morning all was happy again.

Definitely consider increasing the GSE.

Biotin requires magnesium for proper absorption, so you can try that

if you want.

> The advice I'm looking for is should I keep increasing the dose

> despite the ticcing, and is it OK to just give him GSE for the entire

> Virastop experiment.

I gave my son daily GSE for over 4 years. With the addition of

biotin, after a while the GSE was no longer required.

Dana

[Guest guest]

In addition to looking into strep, you might also want to look into

histadelia- high histamine levels in the blood can cause mood swings,

OCD, ADHD stuff, and I think tics but am not sure about that. The

solution may be pretty simple so it could be worth finding out. You

do this with a blood test to measure histamine levels, or for me I

tried going on a low histamine diet and was amazed at how quickly I

felt better.

-Sierra

>

> My DS has Tourettes Syndrome complicated by some ADHD and OCD, plus

> some mood problems (but he is also starting adolescence, so who knows

> what is driving this.) He is intolerant of many many

> supplements--they either increase ticcing (HNI did this) or make him

> aggressive and weepy. He has done very well on Enzymedica Digest Gold

> plus Glutenease at meals. I am also in the yeast fight, more on that

> in a minute

>

> I started him on OLE, it was another supplement that he couldnt'

> tolerate but in the time he was on it, he developed cold sores and a

> wart, both of which we had not seen. The cold sores were gone within

> a week, the wart remains. Vitamin C was also not tolerated

>

> This made me think that he might have viral issues, so I decided to

> try 's Virastop protocol. We are up to 6 Virastop and 4

> Candidase, divided into 2 doses, per day. It took us about a week and

> a half to get here. He has been a bit happier, less likely to fall

> into rages, a bit more able to concentrate. However, his ticcing and

> OCDish behavior has increased substantially and increases more as I

> increase the dose. So one issue I have is whether the ticcing will go

> away after I stop the enzymes or whether it will fail to reverse.

>

> The second issue is whether or not both ticcing and OCD are yeast

> related. This came to a head yesterday when he had a really bad rage

> attack. I had been trying to alternate GSE (6 drops twice a day) and

> Biocidin (5 drops twice a day). This was on the Biocidin side, and it

> sort of appears that either the Biocidin is not sufficiently effective

> or is not tolerated.

> This is discouraging because so far, of all the yeast fighters,

> Biocidin was the only one other than GSE that he could deal with over

> time. Biotin, garlic, pau d'arco were all busts. So I gave him GSE

> last night and this morning all was happy again.

>

> The advice I'm looking for is should I keep increasing the dose

> despite the ticcing, and is it OK to just give him GSE for the entire

> Virastop experiment. Any help is greatly appreciated. Wish there

> were better street maps in this country of the spectrum!

>

> Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the responses, I feel very encouraged! One interesting

thing that happened is that last night my son said to me, " Mom, I've

been dreaming! " He says he never has before, except nightmares from

Vitamin B6. These dreams are, he reports, just like real life. I'm up

to 8 Virastop per day (slowed down because he is doing standardized

tests this week and I don't want to mess that up.) The only other

thing I've changed is about a month ago I started Brainchild

Nutritionals' Mineral liquid. I wonder what could be happening?

Lynn

>

>

> >

> > My DS has Tourettes Syndrome complicated by some ADHD and OCD, plus

> > some mood problems (but he is also starting adolescence, so who knows

> > what is driving this.) He is intolerant of many many

> > supplements--they either increase ticcing (HNI did this) or make him

> > aggressive and weepy. He has done very well on Enzymedica Digest Gold

> > plus Glutenease at meals. I am also in the yeast fight, more on that

> > in a minute

> >

> > I started him on OLE, it was another supplement that he couldnt'

> > tolerate but in the time he was on it, he developed cold sores and a

> > wart, both of which we had not seen. The cold sores were gone within

> > a week, the wart remains. Vitamin C was also not tolerated

> >

> > This made me think that he might have viral issues, so I decided to

> > try 's Virastop protocol. We are up to 6 Virastop and 4

> > Candidase, divided into 2 doses, per day. It took us about a week and

> > a half to get here. He has been a bit happier, less likely to fall

> > into rages, a bit more able to concentrate. However, his ticcing and

> > OCDish behavior has increased substantially and increases more as I

> > increase the dose. So one issue I have is whether the ticcing will go

> > away after I stop the enzymes or whether it will fail to reverse.

> >

> > The second issue is whether or not both ticcing and OCD are yeast

> > related. This came to a head yesterday when he had a really bad rage

> > attack. I had been trying to alternate GSE (6 drops twice a day) and

> > Biocidin (5 drops twice a day). This was on the Biocidin side, and it

> > sort of appears that either the Biocidin is not sufficiently effective

> > or is not tolerated.

> > This is discouraging because so far, of all the yeast fighters,

> > Biocidin was the only one other than GSE that he could deal with over

> > time. Biotin, garlic, pau d'arco were all busts. So I gave him GSE

> > last night and this morning all was happy again.

> >

> > The advice I'm looking for is should I keep increasing the dose

> > despite the ticcing, and is it OK to just give him GSE for the entire

> > Virastop experiment. Any help is greatly appreciated. Wish there

> > were better street maps in this country of the spectrum!

> >

> > Lynn

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

Virastop does have to be given on a empty stomach. Most parents find

it easier to give them 30 minutes before a meal instead of 2 hours

after. But if the snack doesn't have a lot of protein in it, then the

virastop won't really affect something like cookies. But 30 minutes

before a meal or snack is preferred.

Alessandra

Enzymedica's Education Department

> > >

> > > My DS has Tourettes Syndrome complicated by some ADHD and OCD,

plus

> > > some mood problems (but he is also starting adolescence, so who

knows

> > > what is driving this.) He is intolerant of many many

> > > supplements- -they either increase ticcing (HNI did this) or

make him

> > > aggressive and weepy. He has done very well on Enzymedica

Digest Gold

> > > plus Glutenease at meals. I am also in the yeast fight, more on

that

> > > in a minute

> > >

> > > I started him on OLE, it was another supplement that he couldnt'

> > > tolerate but in the time he was on it, he developed cold sores

and a

> > > wart, both of which we had not seen. The cold sores were gone

within

> > > a week, the wart remains. Vitamin C was also not tolerated

> > >

> > > This made me think that he might have viral issues, so I

decided to

> > > try 's Virastop protocol. We are up to 6 Virastop and 4

> > > Candidase, divided into 2 doses, per day. It took us about a

week and

> > > a half to get here. He has been a bit happier, less likely to

fall

> > > into rages, a bit more able to concentrate. However, his

ticcing and

> > > OCDish behavior has increased substantially and increases more

as I

> > > increase the dose. So one issue I have is whether the ticcing

will go

> > > away after I stop the enzymes or whether it will fail to

reverse.

> > >

> > > The second issue is whether or not both ticcing and OCD are

yeast

> > > related. This came to a head yesterday when he had a really bad

rage

> > > attack. I had been trying to alternate GSE (6 drops twice a

day) and

> > > Biocidin (5 drops twice a day). This was on the Biocidin side,

and it

> > > sort of appears that either the Biocidin is not sufficiently

effective

> > > or is not tolerated.

> > > This is discouraging because so far, of all the yeast fighters,

> > > Biocidin was the only one other than GSE that he could deal

with over

> > > time. Biotin, garlic, pau d'arco were all busts. So I gave him

GSE

> > > last night and this morning all was happy again.

> > >

> > > The advice I'm looking for is should I keep increasing the dose

> > > despite the ticcing, and is it OK to just give him GSE for the

entire

> > > Virastop experiment. Any help is greatly appreciated. Wish there

> > > were better street maps in this country of the spectrum!

> > >

> > > Lynn

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thank you so much, you just saved me a trip to the healthfood store. I was going

to take it back today. Thanks so much!

Re: Virastop and Tourettes Syndrome

Hi

Virastop does have to be given on a empty stomach. Most parents find

it easier to give them 30 minutes before a meal instead of 2 hours

after. But if the snack doesn't have a lot of protein in it, then the

virastop won't really affect something like cookies. But 30 minutes

before a meal or snack is preferred.

Alessandra

Enzymedica's Education Department

> > >

> > > My DS has Tourettes Syndrome complicated by some ADHD and OCD,

plus

> > > some mood problems (but he is also starting adolescence, so who

knows

> > > what is driving this.) He is intolerant of many many

> > > supplements- -they either increase ticcing (HNI did this) or

make him

> > > aggressive and weepy. He has done very well on Enzymedica

Digest Gold

> > > plus Glutenease at meals. I am also in the yeast fight, more on

that

> > > in a minute

> > >

> > > I started him on OLE, it was another supplement that he couldnt'

> > > tolerate but in the time he was on it, he developed cold sores

and a

> > > wart, both of which we had not seen. The cold sores were gone

within

> > > a week, the wart remains. Vitamin C was also not tolerated

> > >

> > > This made me think that he might have viral issues, so I

decided to

> > > try 's Virastop protocol. We are up to 6 Virastop and 4

> > > Candidase, divided into 2 doses, per day. It took us about a

week and

> > > a half to get here. He has been a bit happier, less likely to

fall

> > > into rages, a bit more able to concentrate. However, his

ticcing and

> > > OCDish behavior has increased substantially and increases more

as I

> > > increase the dose. So one issue I have is whether the ticcing

will go

> > > away after I stop the enzymes or whether it will fail to

reverse.

> > >

> > > The second issue is whether or not both ticcing and OCD are

yeast

> > > related. This came to a head yesterday when he had a really bad

rage

> > > attack. I had been trying to alternate GSE (6 drops twice a

day) and

> > > Biocidin (5 drops twice a day). This was on the Biocidin side,

and it

> > > sort of appears that either the Biocidin is not sufficiently

effective

> > > or is not tolerated.

> > > This is discouraging because so far, of all the yeast fighters,

> > > Biocidin was the only one other than GSE that he could deal

with over

> > > time. Biotin, garlic, pau d'arco were all busts. So I gave him

GSE

> > > last night and this morning all was happy again.

> > >

> > > The advice I'm looking for is should I keep increasing the dose

> > > despite the ticcing, and is it OK to just give him GSE for the

entire

> > > Virastop experiment. Any help is greatly appreciated. Wish there

> > > were better street maps in this country of the spectrum!

> > >

> > > Lynn

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

One interesting

thing that happened is that last night my son said to me, " Mom, I've

been dreaming! " He says he never has before, except nightmares from

Vitamin B6. These dreams are, he reports, just like real life.

The only other

thing I've changed is about a month ago I started Brainchild

Nutritionals' Mineral liquid. I wonder what could be happening?

Hi Lynn

I recall reading once that not being able to remember your dreams was a sign

of manganese deficiency. So maybe the mineral liquid has addressed that for

your son.

:-)