Re: enzymes on an empty stomach/ antivirals and yeast

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>> because viral die off tends to cause a lot of yeast.

This is the point to remember. ANY anti-viral that is actually working MIGHT

cause yeast

flare-ups if you have a yeast problem. This happens with:

- anti-viral enzymes (ViraStop)

- other supplements (OLE, Lauricidin), and

- prescription meds (Valtrex, acyclovir), etc.

No one is exactly sure what is going on. I researched many other groups and

couldn't find

any reference to this, yet it is reported often enough by parents. I

specificially asked Stan

Kurtz last year about it because he worked with autism and Valtrex, and he said

he had the

same experience: he researched many avenues and it appears to happen just with

spectrum people. Valtrex is not known to do this in general.

Following is a post I posted a few years ago. We don't know if this is

absolutely the reason

but it fits better than other possibilities. And no one else had any clue at

all. If anyone has

updated information or has another alternative to propose, please post it.

Does anyone know of cases where yeast flare-up and they did not previously had

an issue

with yeast? or does it ONLY happen if you already have a known yeast issue?

We will be keeping an eye on this in the ViraStop trials. In the meantime, if

you know have

yeast issues, add a yeast-targeting enzyme such as Candidase, Candex, or

Candizyme

with your anti-viral program. Or whatever yeast control program you use.

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AntiVirals and Yeast Increase

It has become apparent that yeast MAY increase with ANY antiviral

program that is actually working. It doesn't happen with everyone

doing an antiviral or everyone with yeast. But it can happen.

Usually good benefits are see at the same time as the yeast increase. This is

reported with Virastop, Valtrex, acyclovir, olive leaf extract, and Lauricidin

(a coconut oil

product).

This recently I talked with a guy that now works with Wobenzym who

used to work with some candida researchers. We talked about this and

he suggested that it might have something to do with the carbohydrate

component on the envelope of certain viruses.

Viruses consist of proteins at the core. Some viruses are covered in

a layer (envelope) made of lipids (fats) with glycoproteins

interspersed in the layer. These 'spikes' stick out from the virus.

The spikes connect with the surface of cells and are integral in the

infection process. Viruses with this layer are called enveloped

viruses and the others without this layer are called non-enveloped

viruses. There are lots of images on the internet showing this...here

is one http://asm.wku.edu/pix/cells/virus.gif

The idea is that if the virus is being destroyed or unable to connect

to the cell, you would have these carb (sugar) components out

floating around which may end up as yeast food. This would appear as

an antiviral working with some yeast increase due to extra carb

entities being available during the virus cycle breakdown.

Please understand this is only a hypothesis based on science compared

with people's experience with various products. It's a possible, logical

explanation but it

doesn't mean that is actually what is happening. I did go looking to see how

this might

hold up.

ViraStop does not contain carb enzymes, only several types of proteases. If

the ViraStop were breaking down the protein proportion, then that would leave

the carb portion, possibly for yeast. Perhaps taking a carb enzyme with the

ViraStop if yeast is a problem would help??? Candex, Candizyme, and Candidase

are all carb containing enzymes...although there are other straight carb enzyme

products

or any broad-spectrum enzyme product. Interesting that a couple of people used

Candex

with the ViraStop to help with the yeast issue. The carb enzyme *might* be

helping with

the carb portion in addition to helping directly on yeast.

I checked the Lauricidin site for info. Lauricidin is a type of oil or fat. Now,

on the

Lauricidin site it says:

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Q: Your web site describes Lauricidin® as being able to

inactivate " enveloped viruses " such as measles. Does Lauricidin®

eradicate the live measles virus when it is found in the intestinal

tract? If so, do you know if there is a change in patients' symptoms

as a result?

A: Lauricidin® has been shown to reduce viral loads of envelope

viruses as well as other bacterial and yeast organisms. The negative

symptoms from the virus seem to be reduced or eliminated.

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Interesting it specifically says 'enveloped viruses' and not all

viruses. The site also says 'The antiviral action attributed to

monolaurin is that of fluidizing the lipids and phospholipids in the

envelope of the virus, causing the disintegration of the microbial

membrane.'

If the Lauricidin is disintegrating the fatty lipid envelope, that

would leave the glycoprotein components left...possibly ending up as

yeast food.

Moving along to check on this idea with Valtrex, Valtrex works by

inhibiting viral DNA replication, apparently within the cell:

http://emc.medicines.org.uk/emc/assets/c/html/displaydoc.asp?

documentid=2185

So it blocks virus replication but the viruses present would still

need to be cleared out...not sure how that fits this glycoprotein

idea, but need more information. What I did notice is that Valtrex is

given for enveloped viruses.

1. It might be that some people see yeast increase because they deal

with enveloped viruses while others do not because they have non-

enveloped viruses.

2. The difference in people's experiences may also be that if you

have enveloped viruses and have enough enzymes to deal with the

glycoproteins, you won't have yeast increase.

3. OR, the yeast you have isn't physically located in the same place in the

body so that it can take advantage of any loose carb components floating

around. Maybe some of each of these.

So how do you know if the virus you deal with is enveloped or non-

enveloped? Here is one list I found:

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Virus Groups by Type

DNA Enveloped Viruses:

Herpes Simplex Virus Type 1 (herpes labialis)

Herpes Simplex Virus Type 2 (herpes genitalis)

Hepatitis B virus

Smallpox Virus +

DNA Non-enveloped Viruses:

Parvovirus B19

RNA Enveloped Viruses:

Influenza Virus

Measles Virus

Mumps Virus

Rubella Virus

Parainfluenza Virus ( Bronchiolitis in infants, croup in young

children, common cold in adults)

Rabies Virus

HIV

Hepatitis C Virus

Respiratory Syncytial virus

Hepatitis D virus

Ebola/Marburg ( filovirus family) h.f. viruses

Lassa Fever Virus (arenavirus family) h.f

Coronaviruses

Hantaviruse {(Hantavirus Pulmonary Syndrome (1993 in the Western US:

influenza like symptoms + respiratory failure due to inhalation of

aerosols of the rodent's urine and feces)}

Japanese encephalitis virus

RNA Non-enveloped Viruses:

Poliovirus

sackie viruses

Hepatitis A Virus

Reoviruses

Astroviruses

Source

http://eies.njit.edu/~ellerbus/download/EMERGDIS.doc

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I got better results when searching when I used the

term 'glycoprotein' rather then carbohydrate or sugar with viruses.

Any thoughts on this are welcome.

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