Re: Virastop protocol questions?

[Guest guest]

> Currently for my son, we are now up to 8 capules at 3x/day (24/day) and

> my daughter is taking 5 capsules at 2x/day. We moved MUCH slower with

> her because she had MAJOR die-off with this horrible red rash around

> her mouth (like lipstick from a clown)

This can mean yeast overgrowth, and viral die off tends to cause a lot

of yeast. Most of the symptoms you wrote in this message, sound like

yeast overgrowth symptoms.

> tremendous gains every time we up the enzymes....2 days of detox,

> fatigue, THEN unbelievable new speech, imaginary play, things that are

> blowing our minds every day! The last time I upped it was 5 days ago. I

> don't know if we should move on to 9?

You can increase again if you want.

At my house, the underlying cause of viral issues was metals

[eliminated with ALA chelation], and deficiencies of vitamin C and

lysine. In fact, the vitamin C and lysine eliminated viruses that OLE

and Virastop did not touch. So consider adding those. Be sure to

give lysine at least 2 hours apart from OLE.

>>I thought I read it both

> ways... " once you stop seeing gains, then up it again " . I also

> read " keep upping it until you stop seeing gains. " So which is it?

Both. When you stop seeing gains, increase the viral protocol. At

some point, increasing did not produce any improvements for my son, so

that is where I stopped the increase.

>>We also give 600mg (1cap) of L-Lysine

> beween all of these enzymes...I read it is supposed to be 2 hrs

> before/after the enzymes? Is that right?

2 hours apart from the OLE.

>> SOmeone else mentioned that it

> would be better to do the OLE 30min after the enzymes? Does it matter?

> We never did that.

OLE can be given with enzymes.

> Also, for protein digestion are people giving virastop at meals with

> food, or is there a better option?

I used AFP Peptizyde and apple cider vinegar for protein digestion.

Dana

[Guest guest]

My son is 5, how much Virastop should we start with? Can you empty the capsule

in food or drink. It sounds like they should make a Virastop that is more

potent so you don't have to take so many per day.

Virastop protocol questions?

Hi -

We have been doing biomed for the past 2.5yrs wih good success, but I

have to say our biggest jumps have been with the virastop protocol and

enzymes. Just unbelievable really. We started with both kids actually

(son is ASD 4.5 and NT 3yr dd with horrible gut/inflammation issues

too) about 2 months ago with the " low and slow " method. Within 2 weeks,

our son was isuddenly VERY interested in eating veggies that he would

never een remotely consider before like brocolli, califlower, zucchini

and many others...I mean BOWLS of them! His chronic eczema cleared up,

and some pretty great cognitive gains as well. Well then we started the

virastop protocol, knowing that both our kids are major " viral " kids

(my son regressing after the DPT and MMR). Our various DAN doctors

never stresssed enzymes (I am mad about that!) and our current one is

still unsupportive of this protocol, doubting what it can do despite

our tremendous success. Ugh, sometimes.... :-( Good thing I don't rely

on them too much and do my OWN research (how we got here)!!!

Currently for my son, we are now up to 8 capules at 3x/day (24/day) and

my daughter is taking 5 capsules at 2x/day. We moved MUCH slower with

her because she had MAJOR die-off with this horrible red rash around

her mouth (like lipstick from a clown) every time we tried to move from

1 to 2...and the behaviors were just plain awful too. My son got some

facial rashes, but mostly the viral detox rashes inside the elbows,

knees, and under the chin and on his fanny. We saw these same ones when

using valtrex for 8 months a year ago. At the same time as the enzymes,

they also both get 2-3 Biotin, OLE (900mg), 2 caps GSE or 1.5 Uva Ursi,

1 Cranberry, Detoxygen, 1 Candidase, 1 Candex. He also gets 200mg of

diflucan at bedtime (usually on 100mg, but upped with this program),

and charcoal daily. We also do Metal-Free, Nariwa water, ionic foot

baths and some vaccine related NAET for metal excretion. He has had

tremendous gains every time we up the enzymes....2 days of detox,

fatigue, THEN unbelievable new speech, imaginary play, things that are

blowing our minds every day! The last time I upped it was 5 days ago. I

don't know if we should move on to 9? I thought I read it both

ways... " once you stop seeing gains, then up it again " . I also

read " keep upping it until you stop seeing gains. " So which is it? I

am also wondering what to do because his poops started getting very

mushy once we added in OLE a few weeks ago. The gains have been so

unreal that I didn't want to take it back out, so I wanted to know if

anyone has seen this? If so, did the poops return to normal after the

end of the virastop protocol? We also give 600mg (1cap) of L-Lysine

beween all of these enzymes...I read it is supposed to be 2 hrs

before/after the enzymes? Is that right? SOmeone else mentioned that it

would be better to do the OLE 30min after the enzymes? Does it matter?

We never did that.

Also, for protein digestion are people giving virastop at meals with

food, or is there a better option? Our son has been getting 3 no-

fenol, 2 v-gest, 1 lypo, and 1 virastop. Daughter gets the same, minus

no-fenol....she gets bonkers on it for some reason?

Dana, thoughts on all of this?

We are also geting ready to start homeopathic vaccine nosodes. Anyone

else used these? After our consult, our son was prescribed the

thimerosal and lead potentized remedies. We are excited, but I am still

a little nervous (although we have been doing classical homepathy for

about a month and seeing very positive things, plus doing

naturopathy/NAET for 3 yrs). Anyone else with experience here on this?

Thanks so much in advance!!!

:-))))

[Guest guest]

>

> My son is 5, how much Virastop should we start with? Can you empty

the capsule in food or drink. It sounds like they should make a

Virastop that is more potent so you don't have to take so many per day.

I started with one capsule. If you have viruses, it will tend to

cause a lot of yeast.

It should be given on an empty stomach for best effect, so you can

empty it into a small amount of water or diluted juice, but not with food.

There is a more potent version, you can contact Enzymedica and ask for it.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Garrett also has the red lining around his lower lip.  He otherwise is doing

very well.  If I add the Lysine, how much do I give and can I give it just once

per day so we won't be worrying about lots of scheduling hassles between it and

the OLE?

Dana

and Garrett, just turned 4, SCD 2 years

Celiac, ASD, Speech and Motor Apraxia, sensory processing disorder

From: danasview <danasview@...>

Subject: Re: Virastop protocol questions?

Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 11:49 AM

> Currently for my son, we are now up to 8 capules at 3x/day (24/day) and

> my daughter is taking 5 capsules at 2x/day. We moved MUCH slower with

> her because she had MAJOR die-off with this horrible red rash around

> her mouth (like lipstick from a clown)

This can mean yeast overgrowth, and viral die off tends to cause a lot

of yeast. Most of the symptoms you wrote in this message, sound like

yeast overgrowth symptoms.

> tremendous gains every time we up the enzymes....2 days of detox,

> fatigue, THEN unbelievable new speech, imaginary play, things that are

> blowing our minds every day! The last time I upped it was 5 days ago. I

> don't know if we should move on to 9?

You can increase again if you want.

At my house, the underlying cause of viral issues was metals

[eliminated with ALA chelation], and deficiencies of vitamin C and

lysine. In fact, the vitamin C and lysine eliminated viruses that OLE

and Virastop did not touch. So consider adding those. Be sure to

give lysine at least 2 hours apart from OLE.

>>I thought I read it both

> ways... " once you stop seeing gains, then up it again " . I also

> read " keep upping it until you stop seeing gains. " So which is it?

Both. When you stop seeing gains, increase the viral protocol. At

some point, increasing did not produce any improvements for my son, so

that is where I stopped the increase.

>>We also give 600mg (1cap) of L-Lysine

> beween all of these enzymes...I read it is supposed to be 2 hrs

> before/after the enzymes? Is that right?

2 hours apart from the OLE.

>> SOmeone else mentioned that it

> would be better to do the OLE 30min after the enzymes? Does it matter?

> We never did that.

OLE can be given with enzymes.

> Also, for protein digestion are people giving virastop at meals with

> food, or is there a better option?

I used AFP Peptizyde and apple cider vinegar for protein digestion.

Dana

[Guest guest]

What kind of OLE do you use?  We just started the virastop protocol and are now

up to 15 a day (5 three times per day).  I am also doing cats claw.  I don't

know that we have seen anything tremendous yet but have read that sometimes you

have to get to that therapeutic dose before you see anything. I have steadily

been giving a new virastop every day and to this point have given one Candidase

to every virastop. I think I am going to do 4 candidase to every 7 virastop. 

But when do I stop upping the dose.  Both boys are doing things that we feel are

gains but nothing extradorinary yet.  One boy has the bottom lip lined in red

and both boys have had some red bumps on their bottom and one had a temporary

rash on his belly.  Does this sound right?

 

How high does one go with virastop before it is too much?  Just wondering how

high we really need to go and how long to stay there.

 

Will add in OLE in a few weeks and maybe get the two working synergistically

together hopefully.

Dana

and Garrett, just turned 4, SCD 2 years

Celiac, ASD, Speech and Motor Apraxia, sensory processing disorder

From: mom_to_ben5 <mom_to_ben5@...>

Subject: Virastop protocol questions?

Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 3:38 PM

Hi -

We have been doing biomed for the past 2.5yrs wih good success, but I

have to say our biggest jumps have been with the virastop protocol and

enzymes. Just unbelievable really. We started with both kids actually

(son is ASD 4.5 and NT 3yr dd with horrible gut/inflammation issues

too) about 2 months ago with the " low and slow " method. Within 2 weeks,

our son was isuddenly VERY interested in eating veggies that he would

never een remotely consider before like brocolli, califlower, zucchini

and many others...I mean BOWLS of them! His chronic eczema cleared up,

and some pretty great cognitive gains as well. Well then we started the

virastop protocol, knowing that both our kids are major " viral " kids

(my son regressing after the DPT and MMR). Our various DAN doctors

never stresssed enzymes (I am mad about that!) and our current one is

still unsupportive of this protocol, doubting what it can do despite

our tremendous success. Ugh, sometimes... . :-( Good thing I don't rely

on them too much and do my OWN research (how we got here)!!!

Currently for my son, we are now up to 8 capules at 3x/day (24/day) and

my daughter is taking 5 capsules at 2x/day. We moved MUCH slower with

her because she had MAJOR die-off with this horrible red rash around

her mouth (like lipstick from a clown) every time we tried to move from

1 to 2...and the behaviors were just plain awful too. My son got some

facial rashes, but mostly the viral detox rashes inside the elbows,

knees, and under the chin and on his fanny. We saw these same ones when

using valtrex for 8 months a year ago. At the same time as the enzymes,

they also both get 2-3 Biotin, OLE (900mg), 2 caps GSE or 1.5 Uva Ursi,

1 Cranberry, Detoxygen, 1 Candidase, 1 Candex. He also gets 200mg of

diflucan at bedtime (usually on 100mg, but upped with this program),

and charcoal daily. We also do Metal-Free, Nariwa water, ionic foot

baths and some vaccine related NAET for metal excretion. He has had

tremendous gains every time we up the enzymes....2 days of detox,

fatigue, THEN unbelievable new speech, imaginary play, things that are

blowing our minds every day! The last time I upped it was 5 days ago. I

don't know if we should move on to 9? I thought I read it both

ways... " once you stop seeing gains, then up it again " . I also

read " keep upping it until you stop seeing gains. " So which is it? I

am also wondering what to do because his poops started getting very

mushy once we added in OLE a few weeks ago. The gains have been so

unreal that I didn't want to take it back out, so I wanted to know if

anyone has seen this? If so, did the poops return to normal after the

end of the virastop protocol? We also give 600mg (1cap) of L-Lysine

beween all of these enzymes...I read it is supposed to be 2 hrs

before/after the enzymes? Is that right? SOmeone else mentioned that it

would be better to do the OLE 30min after the enzymes? Does it matter?

We never did that.

Also, for protein digestion are people giving virastop at meals with

food, or is there a better option? Our son has been getting 3 no-

fenol, 2 v-gest, 1 lypo, and 1 virastop. Daughter gets the same, minus

no-fenol.... she gets bonkers on it for some reason?

Dana, thoughts on all of this?

We are also geting ready to start homeopathic vaccine nosodes. Anyone

else used these? After our consult, our son was prescribed the

thimerosal and lead potentized remedies. We are excited, but I am still

a little nervous (although we have been doing classical homepathy for

about a month and seeing very positive things, plus doing

naturopathy/ NAET for 3 yrs). Anyone else with experience here on this?

Thanks so much in advance!!!

:-))))

[Guest guest]

>

> Garrett also has the red lining around his lower lip.

Try increasing his yeast protocol.

>>He otherwise is doing very well. If I add the Lysine, how much do I

give

I started with 250mg per day.

>>and can I give it just once per day so we won't be worrying about

lots of scheduling hassles between it and the OLE?

You can do that if it works for you.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> What kind of OLE do you use?

I used Natural Factors OLE, which is a capsule that contains powder.

>>We just started the virastop protocol and are now up to 15 a day (5

three times per day). I am also doing cats claw. I don't know that

we have seen anything tremendous yet but have read that sometimes you

have to get to that therapeutic dose before you see anything.

I did not see anything after 5 months, so I removed it, and my kids

severely regressed. You might not be seeing anything, but it might

still be working.

> How high does one go with virastop before it is too much? Just

wondering how high we really need to go and how long to stay there.

You can stay where you are. Maybe add some vitamin C and lysine. Or

add OLE.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Dana!

Dana

and Garrett, just turned 4, SCD 2 years

Celiac, ASD, Speech and Motor Apraxia, sensory processing disorder

From: danasview <danasview@...>

Subject: Re: Virastop protocol questions?

Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 10:14 AM

>

> What kind of OLE do you use?

I used Natural Factors OLE, which is a capsule that contains powder.

>>We just started the virastop protocol and are now up to 15 a day (5

three times per day). I am also doing cats claw. I don't know that

we have seen anything tremendous yet but have read that sometimes you

have to get to that therapeutic dose before you see anything.

I did not see anything after 5 months, so I removed it, and my kids

severely regressed. You might not be seeing anything, but it might

still be working.

> How high does one go with virastop before it is too much? Just

wondering how high we really need to go and how long to stay there.

You can stay where you are. Maybe add some vitamin C and lysine. Or

add OLE.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much!

Dana

and Garrett, just turned 4, SCD 2 years

Celiac, ASD, Speech and Motor Apraxia, sensory processing disorder

From: danasview <danasview@...>

Subject: Re: Virastop protocol questions?

Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 10:12 AM

>

> Garrett also has the red lining around his lower lip.

Try increasing his yeast protocol.

>>He otherwise is doing very well. If I add the Lysine, how much do I

give

I started with 250mg per day.

>>and can I give it just once per day so we won't be worrying about

lots of scheduling hassles between it and the OLE?

You can do that if it works for you.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dana. Sorry for delay in posting, but I didn't think my post

made it to the board, so I stopped checking back. Doh! Anyway, we are

holding at 8 caps of virastop at 3x/day for my son, and 6 caps at

2x/day for my daughter as our top dose. The funny thing is that we

did go up to 9, but he started having terrible runny diarrhea, so we

backed down and it stopped. We have been at the 8 caps for almost 2

weeks now, so we will plan to hold one more week before starting the

climb downwards. How slowly should we descend?

My son, interestingly enough, started the mouth rashes AFTER being on

the 8 caps over a week? He still has it, right below his bottom lip

on one side. And some of the aggression issues are back too since the

rash....which always seemed yeast related to me too. We are only

giving one each of candidase/candex with the enzymes 3x/day. I guess

we should up these then? I never saw in the Go With Your Gut book

about upping these to high numbers, so we never did. We give the 2

caps of GSE with the enzymes and 200mg diflucan (son only), so how

many of the candex/candidase do people up it too?

Still seeing big gains too!!!! :-)

Thanks in advance!!!!

:-))))

> >

> > My son is 5, how much Virastop should we start with? Can you

empty

> the capsule in food or drink. It sounds like they should make a

> Virastop that is more potent so you don't have to take so many per

day.

>

>

> I started with one capsule. If you have viruses, it will tend to

> cause a lot of yeast.

>

> It should be given on an empty stomach for best effect, so you can

> empty it into a small amount of water or diluted juice, but not

with food.

>

> There is a more potent version, you can contact Enzymedica and ask

for it.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

I also have my twin sons on this protocol.  actually broke out in the rash

on his torso today and Garrett has had the under the lip thing.  They have been

on this a total of two weeks and we are at 18 virastops  tomorrow and continue

to add one per day.  I have actually been giving one candidase per virastop. 

Today I added in one candex.  I have stopped at 4 candidase and 1 candex.  You

might increase how many candidase you give.

 

Dana

and Garrett, just turned 4, SCD 2 years

Celiac, ASD, Speech and Motor Apraxia, sensory processing disorder

From: mom_to_ben5 <mom_to_ben5@...>

Subject: Re: Virastop protocol questions?

Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 3:35 PM

Thanks Dana. Sorry for delay in posting, but I didn't think my post

made it to the board, so I stopped checking back. Doh! Anyway, we are

holding at 8 caps of virastop at 3x/day for my son, and 6 caps at

2x/day for my daughter as our top dose. The funny thing is that we

did go up to 9, but he started having terrible runny diarrhea, so we

backed down and it stopped. We have been at the 8 caps for almost 2

weeks now, so we will plan to hold one more week before starting the

climb downwards. How slowly should we descend?

My son, interestingly enough, started the mouth rashes AFTER being on

the 8 caps over a week? He still has it, right below his bottom lip

on one side. And some of the aggression issues are back too since the

rash....which always seemed yeast related to me too. We are only

giving one each of candidase/candex with the enzymes 3x/day. I guess

we should up these then? I never saw in the Go With Your Gut book

about upping these to high numbers, so we never did. We give the 2

caps of GSE with the enzymes and 200mg diflucan (son only), so how

many of the candex/candidase do people up it too?

Still seeing big gains too!!!! :-)

Thanks in advance!!!!

:-))))

> >

> > My son is 5, how much Virastop should we start with? Can you

empty

> the capsule in food or drink. It sounds like they should make a

> Virastop that is more potent so you don't have to take so many per

day.

>

>

> I started with one capsule. If you have viruses, it will tend to

> cause a lot of yeast.

>

> It should be given on an empty stomach for best effect, so you can

> empty it into a small amount of water or diluted juice, but not

with food.

>

> There is a more potent version, you can contact Enzymedica and ask

for it.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

>>We have been at the 8 caps for almost 2

> weeks now, so we will plan to hold one more week before starting the

> climb downwards. How slowly should we descend?

Once the dose I was giving started causing problems, I reduced

relatively quickly.

Even when my son no longer needed OLE and Virastop, he still needed

vitamin C and lysine to address the rest of the viruses, so you might

want to add those.

> My son, interestingly enough, started the mouth rashes AFTER being on

> the 8 caps over a week?

Try increasing the yeast protocol.

>> He still has it, right below his bottom lip

> on one side. And some of the aggression issues are back too since the

> rash....which always seemed yeast related to me too. We are only

> giving one each of candidase/candex with the enzymes 3x/day. I guess

> we should up these then?

Yes. You can try giving biotin also, if you want. Or GSE if it is

really bad.

Dana