Guest guest Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I would look into PANDAS and are you doing a yeast protocol? Tammy Tics and habits Hi all, I hope you can all shed some light on this for me or at least give me some idea of your experiences or opinions. My dd is 10 years old, and has Asperger's. She has come a long way, and we have participated in many different kinds of therapies and interventions. She has always been prone to having various 'habits', for example nose picking, hair twirling, and many other things. Some of these have been longer term, some of them come and go pretty quickly. At the moment, since beginning school, she is continually pushing her finger joints and cracking her knuckles. I am concerned that she's going to damage her fingers and joints. It looks to be more than just a habit at the moment, it looks more like a stress or anxiety reaction. School has been somewhat stressful for her, and so it may be related to that. However her teacher is wonderful and has worked really hard at helping her. Systems and strategies for support have been put in place at school. I am wondering what else we can do. We did have her on a gluten-free casein free diet but she is off that for a while so we can see how she does. This new habit with cracking knuckles started even before we took her off the diet, so I don't think it has anything to do with the diet. She is on multiple supplements after being at the Pfeiffer treatment center, and we go for blood test again in a couple of weeks. However, I was wondering if anyone on this board has had experience with using supplements for enzymes to help with this kind of repetitive behavior. I really don't know what the difference is between habits and tics, I just know that at this stage, I'm concerned about her joints. Also, in terms of being socially appropriate, it just looks unusual for her to be doing this so much. Any help or advice would be great. Thanks, Bridgette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 > She has always been prone to having various 'habits', for example nose picking, hair twirling, and many other things. Some of these have been longer term, some of them come and go pretty quickly. Those meant yeast overgrowth here. > At the moment, since beginning school, she is continually pushing her finger joints and cracking her knuckles. I am concerned that she's going to damage her fingers and joints. It looks to be more than just a habit at the moment, it looks more like a stress or anxiety reaction. These meant yeast overgrowth in the joints, viruses in the joints, and vitamin A toxicity here. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 Yeast or some kind of bacteria is what I was going to say too. Whenever I give my daughter probiotic she develops some of those, knuckle cracking etc. also blinking and mouth movement like a tic. I believe it's die off because she also seems to be doing a lot better in some other areas. I agree with the above posters. Best of luck and good job warrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 My son is doing the exact same thing! He is pulling on his fingers and cracking them so much that it's driving us all crazy and I'm worried about his joints too. At Pfeiffer, did they look for high histamine? That's one of their things, so I would think they would have. It's all about that for my son. Yeast and bacteria can both worsen this condition because their toxins overwhelm the methylation cycle, so die-off also can cause this in addition to a flare up. It can be due to seasonal allergies (molds, decaying leaves outside, and yeast flare up from damp weather) depending on where you live. I've been upping probiotics, kefir, and other things to improve gut flora balance and while it got worse at first it is much better now. I think that these things ultimately go back to gut flora imbalance which can be very hard to correct. I think PANDAS relates to that too and is also worth looking into. Methylation support (such as SAM-e) and epsom salt baths may also help. I've laso tried giving my son lots of " fidget " things to try to redirect the behavior. -Sierra > > Hi all, > I hope you can all shed some light on this for me or at least give me some idea of your experiences or opinions. > > My dd is 10 years old, and has Asperger's. She has come a long way, and we have participated in many different kinds of therapies and interventions. > > She has always been prone to having various 'habits', for example nose picking, hair twirling, and many other things. Some of these have been longer term, some of them come and go pretty quickly. > > At the moment, since beginning school, she is continually pushing her finger joints and cracking her knuckles. I am concerned that she's going to damage her fingers and joints. It looks to be more than just a habit at the moment, it looks more like a stress or anxiety reaction. > > School has been somewhat stressful for her, and so it may be related to that. However her teacher is wonderful and has worked really hard at helping her. Systems and strategies for support have been put in place at school. > > I am wondering what else we can do. We did have her on a gluten-free casein free diet but she is off that for a while so we can see how she does. This new habit with cracking knuckles started even before we took her off the diet, so I don't think it has anything to do with the diet. > > She is on multiple supplements after being at the Pfeiffer treatment center, and we go for blood test again in a couple of weeks. > > However, I was wondering if anyone on this board has had experience with using supplements for enzymes to help with this kind of repetitive behavior. I really don't know what the difference is between habits and tics, I just know that at this stage, I'm concerned about her joints. Also, in terms of being socially appropriate, it just looks unusual for her to be doing this so much. > > > Any help or advice would be great. > > Thanks, > Bridgette > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Thanksfor all that info... sounds like a good consensus Do you think anxiety may play a part? Just wondering? s, > > > > Hi all, > > I hope you can all shed some light on this for me or at least give me some idea of your experiences or opinions. > > > > My dd is 10 years old, and has Asperger's. She has come a long way, and we have participated in many different kinds of therapies and interventions. > > > > She has always been prone to having various 'habits', for example nose picking, hair twirling, and many other things. Some of these have been longer term, some of them come and go pretty quickly. > > > > At the moment, since beginning school, she is continually pushing her finger joints and cracking her knuckles. I am concerned that she's going to damage her fingers and joints. It looks to be more than just a habit at the moment, it looks more like a stress or anxiety reaction. > > > > School has been somewhat stressful for her, and so it may be related to that. However her teacher is wonderful and has worked really hard at helping her. Systems and strategies for support have been put in place at school. > > > > I am wondering what else we can do. We did have her on a gluten-free casein free diet but she is off that for a while so we can see how she does. This new habit with cracking knuckles started even before we took her off the diet, so I don't think it has anything to do with the diet. > > > > She is on multiple supplements after being at the Pfeiffer treatment center, and we go for blood test again in a couple of weeks. > > > > However, I was wondering if anyone on this board has had experience with using supplements for enzymes to help with this kind of repetitive behavior. I really don't know what the difference is between habits and tics, I just know that at this stage, I'm concerned about her joints. Also, in terms of being socially appropriate, it just looks unusual for her to be doing this so much. > > > > > > Any help or advice would be great. > > > > Thanks, > > Bridgette > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Yes, anxiety is a big part of the whole histamine thing. It's all one big ball of yarn -Sierra > > > > My son is doing the exact same thing! He is pulling on his fingers and cracking them so much that it's driving us all crazy and I'm worried about his joints too. At Pfeiffer, did they look for high histamine? That's one of their things, so I would think they would have. It's all about that for my son. Yeast and bacteria can both worsen this condition because their toxins overwhelm the methylation cycle, so die-off also can cause this in addition to a flare up. It can be due to seasonal allergies (molds, decaying leaves outside, and yeast flare up from damp weather) depending on where you live. I've been upping probiotics, kefir, and other things to improve gut flora balance and while it got worse at first it is much better now. I think that these things ultimately go back to gut flora imbalance which can be very hard to correct. I think PANDAS relates to that too and is also worth looking into. Methylation support (such as SAM-e) and epsom salt baths may also help. I've laso tried giving my son lots of " fidget " things to try to redirect the behavior. > > > > -Sierra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 It could be anxiety. This post over at Autism Mercury has a list of supplements which are helfpul in that situation. Take a look at the description and determine if this is your daughter . . . /message/195792?threaded=1 & l=\ 1 > > > > > > Hi all, > > > I hope you can all shed some light on this for me or at least give me some idea of your experiences or opinions. > > > > > > My dd is 10 years old, and has Asperger's. She has come a long way, and we have participated in many different kinds of therapies and interventions. > > > > > > She has always been prone to having various 'habits', for example nose picking, hair twirling, and many other things. Some of these have been longer term, some of them come and go pretty quickly. > > > > > > At the moment, since beginning school, she is continually pushing her finger joints and cracking her knuckles. I am concerned that she's going to damage her fingers and joints. It looks to be more than just a habit at the moment, it looks more like a stress or anxiety reaction. > > > > > > School has been somewhat stressful for her, and so it may be related to that. However her teacher is wonderful and has worked really hard at helping her. Systems and strategies for support have been put in place at school. > > > > > > I am wondering what else we can do. We did have her on a gluten-free casein free diet but she is off that for a while so we can see how she does. This new habit with cracking knuckles started even before we took her off the diet, so I don't think it has anything to do with the diet. > > > > > > She is on multiple supplements after being at the Pfeiffer treatment center, and we go for blood test again in a couple of weeks. > > > > > > However, I was wondering if anyone on this board has had experience with using supplements for enzymes to help with this kind of repetitive behavior. I really don't know what the difference is between habits and tics, I just know that at this stage, I'm concerned about her joints. Also, in terms of being socially appropriate, it just looks unusual for her to be doing this so much. > > > > > > > > > Any help or advice would be great. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Bridgette > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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