Re: cheating

[Guest guest]

Jeanne wrote:

> I bought some tomatoes at the store, as tomatoes are

> on the list of " approved " vegetables.

> I had them both yesterday and today with one of my

> meals. Today my stomach is swollen up and sore again,

> and I have terrible gas.

Your symptoms do not mean tomatoes are not good to have. It is not

an allergic reaction. Something has been stirred up, but it sounds

more like candida being killed off or the bowels going through an

adjustment. I wouldn't stop having tomatoes - maybe they are helping

you. Remember that most of your body's reaction are symptoms of its

effort to heal, even gas, bloating and discomfort. Tomatoes are good

to eat.

Bee

[Guest guest]

> :

> I bought some tomatoes at the store, as tomatoes are

> on the list of " approved " vegetables.

>

> I had them both yesterday and today with one of my

> meals. Today my stomach is swollen up and sore again,

> and I have terrible gas.

>

approved and what works for you are two different things. myself

tomatoes are the only thing with that much sugar i can handle. they

have more carbs then a lot of foods I can't have.

--

Steve knight

Knight-Toolworks

www.knight-toolworks.com

[Guest guest]

hey dear members one and all ~

valerie - i'm sorry if you felt deserted during a time of struggle, we

all do our best to support and help eachother, but sometimes things

fall through the cracks. please know we do care about you and your

challenges.

shirley - i must say that debby made some very good points regarding

whether or not to eat 'off-plan' during your trip. i have to remember

that i'm currently writing from a place of having my candida pretty

well under control, so it came through in my advice to you, which may

not be the best for where you're at. i have had the experience of

eating some off-plan foods when i was in the height of my strict

candida diet and i know the story of the bloating and discomfort all

too well. i'd like to think that you can fill up on good healthy foods

& extra vitamins and enjoy that guinness, but ultimately, only you can

gauge where you are at, healthwise, and make the decision.

to everyone here - i just want to be clear in case i've confused

anyone: following the program, and sticking to the recommended foods

on our list is really the best way to get that candida under control.

when i was still in the heat of my symptoms, straying from my candida

diet would produce uncomfortable reactions and make me feel worse.

i have done vacations, dinner parties, etc. with the ability to stay

100% on plan. it takes some planning but it can be done. we've had

extensive discussions about it here in the past. you can use the

search feature with words like " vacation food " or " foods for

travelling " and hopefully some older posts full of advice and sharing

tips will come up.

now that i've gotten the candida under control, i still follow the

candida diet most all the time because i feel the best when i eat this

way, though i can include some other foods with no bad reactions -

except maybe putting on a little extra weight.

the diet really is key.

the best to everyone ~ suz

[Guest guest]

wrote:

>Maddalena, your post brought tears to my eyes. Thanks so much for your

>support.

, I'm sorry for having you bring tears to your eye, at times that is

all it takes to make the change we need. I'm very proud of you for not

going to the grocery store in order to buy and then eat something that would

only make you sicker later on. In my opinion you should reward yourself

with something (how about a small bite of organic butter?) Yes, you can do.

I can understand you gaining the unwanted weight back, I was lucky because

during my two months of cheating I kept on losing the weight. " Here's

something I want you to remember every time you want to cheat: " Do I want

to be told that I have cancer? Or get healthy on Bee's diet? "

Let me appologize in advance for what you are about to read, also, let me

say that I am not speaking directly to you personally but I'm speaking to

all of us on this list that need some incouragement and reminder.

I'm the first to admit that those are very harsh words to read or hear,

believe me those are the only words that keep me sane and on track.

Hugs, Maddalena

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[Guest guest]

I spoke with Bee about the subject of cheating in

length. I think that the situation with Bee is that

she is able to have a small cheat and get right back

on track. But I believe she is in the minority.

For people who are addicted to sugar, or have issues

with food, this is just not that easy. So if you know

that you are going to be able to have a taste of

something and get right back on plan immediately, and

not make it a frequent habit, then OK.

But I'd venture to say that this is not the case for

most of us, otherwise we wouldn't be in the situation

we are in from eating too much sugar in the first

place. Sugar is a mind altering substance, and sugar

addiction is real.

It's always going to be safer to stay away from that

stuff. So to the people who say " I can't live without

chocolate " or what have you, I don't tell them to go

cheat.

I tell them that they need to reexamine the value of

food in their lives. Food is meant to be used for

fuel.. and we want to pick the best quality fuel we

can.

Is chocolate really worth feeling sick and shortening

our lives? We often look at the short term benefit

rather than the long term benefits when we choose to

eat these foods.

This is why I use visualizations to help me through

those times. I imagine all the bad things long term

that are associated with that food, I imagine feeling

sick later, etc.

So if we looked at this all logically there would be

no issue. But emotions get caught up in food and we

expect food to comfort us, be part of our " experience "

on vacation, socialize us, relieve our boredom, etc.

We get wrapped up in our feelings and don't use our

rationale.

But bad food does none of the things we would really

want it to. I no longer focus on enjoying the act of

eating. Eating is a chore that I have to do just like

filling my gas tank.

That does not mean I eat food that tastes bad, but it

means that eating for taste is not something I am

focused on, and most of my food tastes pretty mediocre

and the boredom with my food allows me to focus on

other things.

I have learned to refocus what I value to include all

the joys of being thinner and healthier. When I look

back at my life I see now that the bad foods never

really gave me anything close to the pleasure of

feeling the way I do now.

So when it comes to cheating, I do not believe in

judging. I have cheated myself many times over the

past 12 years.

But what is different now is that I no longer beat

myself up when I do it, I just refocus and get right

back on track.

I try an examine what my trigger was (certain foods in

the house, a stressful situation) and then try to fix

that issue and provide myself better support.

But I don't encourage planned cheats or vacations or

breaks for any reason. These are the kiss of death

for many of us.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

Website for my son Hunter Hudson, born 10/11/04:

http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

Today is the most important day.

[Guest guest]

Wow Debby. You are awesome. Would you mind emailing me what you

wrote so I can post it in our files? Don't forget to copyright it.

Love & Hugs, Bee

Debby P. wrote:

>

> I spoke with Bee about the subject of cheating in

> length. I think that the situation with Bee is that

> she is able to have a small cheat and get right back

> on track. But I believe she is in the minority.

>

> For people who are addicted to sugar, or have issues

> with food, this is just not that easy. So if you know

> that you are going to be able to have a taste of

> something and get right back on plan immediately, and

> not make it a frequent habit, then OK.

>

> But I'd venture to say that this is not the case for

> most of us, otherwise we wouldn't be in the situation

> we are in from eating too much sugar in the first

> place. Sugar is a mind altering substance, and sugar

> addiction is real.

>

> It's always going to be safer to stay away from that

> stuff. So to the people who say " I can't live without

> chocolate " or what have you, I don't tell them to go

> cheat.

>

> I tell them that they need to reexamine the value of

> food in their lives. Food is meant to be used for

> fuel.. and we want to pick the best quality fuel we

> can.

<snip>

[Guest guest]

Wow Debby. You are awesome. Would you mind emailing me what you

wrote so I can post it in our files? Don't forget to copyright it.

Love & Hugs, Bee

Yes, what Debby wrote was wonderful. She is a great inspiration here! Val

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[Guest guest]

Hi Debby,

I have problems with cheating, but in different circumstances. I'm

very busy all the time, I have two jobs, I'm doing my masters

degree, and I have an autistic four year old and a " typical "

asmhatic and very allergic (peanuts, chocolate, shellfish and many

more)6 year old doughter. At home, everyone of us have a different

diet, therefore I peregrinate regularly among supermarkets. In sum,

I hardly have time to eat myself unless I stick to the purpose of

eating three meals a day. When I'm hungry, I'm rarely at home and

there is not many legal foods I can buy at work or at the

university, so I cheat a lot. Of course I don't indulge with

doughnuts, but I eat illegal foods all the time. When I have been

loyal to the plan I fell much better. I would like to figure out

what can I do to stick to the diet. Any advice about and

organization method that can help me to follow the diet?

I would appreciate any comments!

Thank you

Francisca

>

> I spoke with Bee about the subject of cheating in

> length. I think that the situation with Bee is that

> she is able to have a small cheat and get right back

> on track. But I believe she is in the minority.

>

> For people who are addicted to sugar, or have issues

> with food, this is just not that easy. So if you know

> that you are going to be able to have a taste of

> something and get right back on plan immediately, and

> not make it a frequent habit, then OK.

>

> But I'd venture to say that this is not the case for

> most of us, otherwise we wouldn't be in the situation

> we are in from eating too much sugar in the first

> place. Sugar is a mind altering substance, and sugar

> addiction is real.

>

> It's always going to be safer to stay away from that

> stuff. So to the people who say " I can't live without

> chocolate " or what have you, I don't tell them to go

> cheat.

>

> I tell them that they need to reexamine the value of

> food in their lives. Food is meant to be used for

> fuel.. and we want to pick the best quality fuel we

> can.

>

> Is chocolate really worth feeling sick and shortening

> our lives? We often look at the short term benefit

> rather than the long term benefits when we choose to

> eat these foods.

>

> This is why I use visualizations to help me through

> those times. I imagine all the bad things long term

> that are associated with that food, I imagine feeling

> sick later, etc.

>

> So if we looked at this all logically there would be

> no issue. But emotions get caught up in food and we

> expect food to comfort us, be part of our " experience "

> on vacation, socialize us, relieve our boredom, etc.

> We get wrapped up in our feelings and don't use our

> rationale.

>

> But bad food does none of the things we would really

> want it to. I no longer focus on enjoying the act of

> eating. Eating is a chore that I have to do just like

> filling my gas tank.

>

> That does not mean I eat food that tastes bad, but it

> means that eating for taste is not something I am

> focused on, and most of my food tastes pretty mediocre

> and the boredom with my food allows me to focus on

> other things.

>

> I have learned to refocus what I value to include all

> the joys of being thinner and healthier. When I look

> back at my life I see now that the bad foods never

> really gave me anything close to the pleasure of

> feeling the way I do now.

>

> So when it comes to cheating, I do not believe in

> judging. I have cheated myself many times over the

> past 12 years.

>

> But what is different now is that I no longer beat

> myself up when I do it, I just refocus and get right

> back on track.

>

> I try an examine what my trigger was (certain foods in

> the house, a stressful situation) and then try to fix

> that issue and provide myself better support.

>

> But I don't encourage planned cheats or vacations or

> breaks for any reason. These are the kiss of death

> for many of us.

>

> Luv,

> Debby

> San , CA

>

>

>

>

> Website for my son Hunter Hudson, born 10/11/04:

> http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

> Today is the most important day.

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Suz,

I am well aware of how severely any indiscretions (Guinness) will affect me

while on vacation. I did not heed yours or Bees comments as a free pass to

cheat. I am the one who will suffer. I so appreciated your input though, as

well as Debby's on the subject. I have lamented over this for some time now

and I know in my heart what will be best for me. Incidently, on Monday I

air-mailed my coconut oil, enzymes, and supplements over so as not to deal

with the whole x-ray thing at the airport. I trust the Postal Service (my

employer ;+) will deliver!

Shirley

>From: " chefsuz2 " <thenaturalkitchen@...>

>shirley - i must say that debby made some very good points regarding

>whether or not to eat 'off-plan' during your trip. i have to remember

>that i'm currently writing from a place of having my candida pretty

>well under control, so it came through in my advice to you, which may

>not be the best for where you're at. i have had the experience of

>eating some off-plan foods when i was in the height of my strict

>candida diet and i know the story of the bloating and discomfort all

>too well. i'd like to think that you can fill up on good healthy foods

> & extra vitamins and enjoy that guinness, but ultimately, only you can

>gauge where you are at, healthwise, and make the decision.

>produce uncomfortable reactions and make me feel worse.

>

>i have done vacations, dinner parties, etc. with the ability to stay

>100% on plan. it takes some planning but it can be done. we've had

>extensive discussions about it here in the past. you can use the

>search feature with words like " vacation food " or " foods for

>travelling " and hopefully some older posts full of advice and sharing

>tips will come up.

>

>the best to everyone ~ suz

[Guest guest]

--- Shirley G <chickwbrains@...> wrote:

> well as Debby's on the subject. I have lamented over

> this for some time now

> and I know in my heart what will be best for me.

> Incidently, on Monday I

> air-mailed my coconut oil, enzymes, and supplements

> over so as not to deal

> with the whole x-ray thing at the airport. I trust

> the Postal Service (my

> employer ;+) will deliver!

Wow Shirley.. this is just the type of creative

solution I was referring to.. I'm impressed! Have an

excellent vacation, and focus on how good you feel,

and how with a body that feels good you can walk all

over the place, see the sites, flirt, what ever your

heart fancies, because your body works better!

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

Website for my son Hunter Hudson, born 10/11/04:

http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

Today is the most important day.

[Guest guest]

Hey, I gotta live up to my e-mail handle once in awhile ;+) (I like the

flirting advice). I'm sure I will feel like doing plenty of walking too

because my body will be up to it.

Shirley

>From: Debby Padilla-Hudson <debbypadilla@...>

>--- Shirley G <chickwbrains@...> wrote:

> > on Monday I air-mailed my coconut oil, enzymes, and supplements

> > over so as not to deal with the whole x-ray thing at the airport. I

>trust

> > the Postal Service (my employer ;+) will deliver!

>Wow Shirley.. this is just the type of creative

>solution I was referring to.. I'm impressed! Have an

>excellent vacation, and focus on how good you feel,

>and how with a body that feels good you can walk all

>over the place, see the sites, flirt, what ever your

>heart fancies, because your body works better!

>

>Luv,

>Debby

>San , CA

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I understand about cheating on the Candida diet. I just ate 4 bowls of

potato chips. I didn't buy them, someone else did and left them right in

front of me. I have only myself to blame because I knew exactly what I was

doing. For two months, I have kept to the diet and I had a big break down

because my health has been bad especially this month. I felt let down by my

doctors today and I felt that I was not going to get better any time soon so

I kept on pouring the chips in. Maddelena is right that we learn from this

experience. I know that I will feel the problematic symptoms soon. That

will put me off the Lays for a while. I hope that you will be steadfast on

the diet and feel better. You can see from this site that you are not

alone. I only know one other person in real life who has a candida problem

(I assume). We both have not told each other that we actually have this

problem, but we have similar food allergies and such. I hope that you feel

better soon. Take care. junebean

>From: " Star dust " <brownedskin@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: [ ] Cheating

>Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:50:36 -0300

>

>Hi , my heart goes out to you, I can relate very well when it comes

>to cheating. Please don't give up, you've worked way too hard. Believe me

>you are not alone, I'm having the same problem as you are. At work there

>is

>a single week that we don't have a pot luck lunch. I don't know about you

>all but my will power is not as strong at it was. :-((

>

>, please don't leave, do yourself and your body a favor. Stay here

>and most important stay on the diet, just think what is ahead of us, in

>less

>than a month its Thankgiving (for us Canadians), Halloween isn't too far

>behind, if that was enough temptation for us to deal with. Here comes the

>Christmas madness of eating and more eating and drinking everything that

>will feed the little beast in us.

>

>I can understand you not having time, but I'd like for you to thinking

>about

>this. When I'm fine and able to help everyone around me everyone calls me

>for one thing or another, but when I don't feel well and I call one of my

>friends for help, one by one they all say: " I'm sorry I wish I could help

>but I can't, why don't you call someone else. I promise I will help you

>next time you call. " What I'm trying to tell you is. Make time to look

>after yourself because if you don't have your health you can't help

>yourself

>or others.

>

>Good luck, you can be assured you are not alone in this. We're all been

>there and done that whether we admit it or not.

>

>Maddalena

>

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[Guest guest]

hi

your story reminds me of the kind of thoughts i have or how i try to convince

myself to cheat. for example ,

" you had half a tub of low carb yogort last night with cocoa powder which

didnt affect you, you can have a few nuts today there low in carbs "

(the first step, eating what you know is bad for you weakens your mind and

will power and self respect, plus increasing cravings for sugar.)

" now u feel bad from eating the nuts and yoguort and you havent prepared any

food, just put raw egg, lots of butter and salt with a little brown rice, this

should kick the craving and fill your stomach, plus brown rice is a healthy

food. "

( your defence/mind is weak because a little cheat gradually led you to a

biiger cheat, you get brain fog, tired and pains, and you feel like giving up)

" you might as well eat what you want for the rest of the night and enjoy it

because you've already messed up. "

what leads to harm is harm itself

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[Guest guest]

Yes, this is pretty much what I am saying. Some

people then fall off the wagon for long periods of

time. I hear some argument about this from a few

people who feel I am suggesting being too strict.

But people fall into two categories.. either they have

a problem with cheating or they don't. Some people

actually can just have a few bites or one off plan

meal and be done for a while.

I do believe that the people that have a problem with

cheating are in the majority. Unfortately I think the

people that don't have a problem with cheating

shouldn't try and give advice to the rest of us as

they don't really understand what's it's like to feel

addicted and not be able to stop.

What I'm saying is that *I* have a problem with

cheating, and over the last 12 years I have screwed up

over and over and finally found something that works

for me - abstinence.

For the last two years I have not cheated once on low

carb.. not even one time. For the last 11 months I

have only cheated twice on the candida diet.. one time

after going through a three day migraine and the other

time some major stress. Both times I cheated with

" low carb " but not candida foods.

Both times I was able to yank myself back in line very

quickly.. something I couldn't do in the past. So I

would venture to say that my results demonstrate a

significant shift in my management of my food

addiction.

So I am sharing what is my truth, and I believe it is

the truth of many others as well. If it doesn't fit

you, please ignore my emails, but countering my emails

with information on how this doesn't fit your

situation is not necessary because my information is

focused on people who do have this problem.

I'm not speaking to you directly Joanne, by the way,

just speaking in general to people who are reading

this. Oh and finally I wanted to say that there is a

third category of people.. those are people who *do*

have a problem with cheating but are in denial.

They convince themselves over and over they can get

back on track. They blame everything and everyone

else, they say they can't stop eating the foods or

they don't want to or it's too hard.

They do not want to give up their enjoyment of food

because they are too embroiled in it.. food is just

too high on their proiority list.

But they still have a problem with cheating whether

they want to admit it or not. Hopefully my emails can

open up some doors for those folks too.

And for you lucky people who can cheat and get right

back to it.. well.. lucky you! There won't be much in

my emails for you.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

--- joanne finigan <joanne_finigan@...> wrote:

> your story reminds me of the kind of thoughts i

> have or how i try to convince myself to cheat. for

> example ,

>

> " you had half a tub of low carb yogort last night

> with cocoa powder which didnt affect you, you can

> have a few nuts today there low in carbs "

>

> (the first step, eating what you know is bad for

> you weakens your mind and will power and self

> respect, plus increasing cravings for sugar.)

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[Guest guest]

Hi Fran,

I can relate to your situation quite well! I work

full time, have a toddler, go to school, workout a the

gym and cook fresh foods daily.

Plus I have a ton of side projects, lots of phone

calls to friends, keeping up with email, managing my

house, etc. That's why I've been working on my Time

Management essay for.

I can give you a copy of the portions I have complete

(which includes the section on cooking quickly and

efficiently) if you email me privately and promise not

to share my rough draft with others.

Essentially the trick is to cook once a day at least

for the entire day. Or cook every two days for two

days in advance.

I have some tools and tricks I use to make things

really fast. Firstly, the bagged veggies that are

already chopped and washed are great.

What I do is I buy say broccoli in a bag that is

already chopped up and also whole heads. If I'm in a

real rush like I got up late I use the bag and if I

have more time I take time to cut up the head which is

a bit cheaper than the bag. But I have options there.

You'll find you can buy things like green beans and

broccoli and lettuce all ready to go. I use a veggie

steamer for cooking the veggies.

I just pour some water in, dump in a bag of veggies

and then set the timer. If you have one of these

steamers it will make life much easier.

The one I have is the Oster Steamer and it runs about

30 bucks at Target. Then I buy trays of what is

called " stir fry meat " which comes in chicken, beef

and pork.

It's actually meat that's already cubed for you. This

makes it faster to cook, and easy to throw in a

skillet.

If you want variety you switch between pork, beef and

chicken. So what I do is throw my veggies in a

steamer (I measure first but you don't have to) and

then I throw meat and onions I dice up really fast

into a skillet and turn on high heat with some coconut

oil.

You can actually find pre-diced onions in your grocery

store if you really want to save some time. Or you

can use your food processors slicing tool.

Because the heat is high it only takes about 5-7

minutes to cook. I often throw the stuff in the pan,

then clean up any mess I made for a few minutes, then

stir again, then turn off the heat and just let it sit

on the burner. The heat as the burner cools off cooks

it the rest of the way.

Then when it's all done I mix the veggies and meat

together and put it in a container and bring it with

me everywhere so I never have to worry about being at

the whim of what's available.

I also make hard boiled eggs in my steamer which are

great to grab and go. You can also grab a bag of

veggies, some chicken broth and some meat and throw in

the crockpot the night before, and then you have you

food ready to go in the morning.

You can vary the taste by using fresh herbs like

cilantro, oregano, garlic, lemon, thyme, etc. The

trick here is to pick stuff to eat that takes very

little prep time.

You don't want to spend forever cutting up pieces of

meat or veggies. That's why you pick recipes that

require very little work on that end.

That's what I love about my steamer and bagged

veggies.. there is almost zero work involved in

throwing them in my steamer with some water.

Another thing you can go is get an economy size tray

of chicken thighs. Pour some olive oil over them,

sprinkle fresh oregano over them and sea salt and

bake.

That takes like 2 minutes prep time, and now you have

a bunch of chicken thighs to go, should last you a

while.

Spend the two minutes right when you get home from

work, then spend two minutes putting them in

containers so they are ready to travel with you.

Make a pot roast in your crock pot with celery and

garlic etc. Get some cubed chicken and cook up a

large batch by putting it in a skillet and cooking on

high heat.

Then get a bag of lettuce and mix that together with

lemon juice and olive oil and sea salt. Maybe add

some pre-chopped veggies from the grocery aisle.

Food preparation doesn't have to be a big ordeal or so

fancy. You don't need gourmet food.. you just need

good healthy food.

The trick is getting organized enough to make this

part of your schedule. I know that's hard with

limited time. But I assume you are home for at least

an hour a day?

Buy the steamer I recommended (no I don't make money

from them - I just used the darned thing so much!) and

if you don't have one get a crockpot.

I get my groceries delivered because I often don't

have time to run to the store, that might help. Make

sure when you go to the grocery store you buy all the

pre-chopped and/or bagged veggies you can.

Buy the pre-cut up meat. Make sure first you have it

available. Then when you know you are going to be home

for an hour, throw the stuff in your steamer/skillet

and then go do other stuff like study.

Or throw some chicken in the oven and go do something

else, then in a while you'll have food ready to eat.

Also if you don't mine me saying so, with an autistic

son and an allergic daughter, it sounds like your

children would do well on this diet too.

Because the steamer I have is a double steamer, I do

one level with my food, and then one level with the

pre-cubed chicken and broccoli or some other

meat/veggie combo for my son at the same time.

I just recently realized I could do this and save a

lot of money on those jarred foods too. Because he's

still not getting the hang of solid foods yet I then

throw it in my food processor, and mix in a little

garlic and coconut oil and sea salt, and he loves it.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

--- fran_dubois <fran_dubois@...> wrote:

> Hi Debby,

>

> I have problems with cheating, but in different

> circumstances. I'm

> very busy all the time, I have two jobs, I'm doing

> my masters

> degree, and I have an autistic four year old and a

> " typical "

> asmhatic and very allergic (peanuts, chocolate,

> shellfish and many

> more)6 year old doughter. At home, everyone of us

> have a different

Website for my son Hunter Hudson, born 10/11/04:

http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

Today is the most important day.

[Guest guest]

Ha.. I'm jealous as an old married broad too. The

flirting thing sounds so fun!

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

--- Shirley G <chickwbrains@...> wrote:

> Hey, I gotta live up to my e-mail handle once in

> awhile ;+) (I like the

> flirting advice). I'm sure I will feel like doing

> plenty of walking too

> because my body will be up to it.

Website for my son Hunter Hudson, born 10/11/04:

http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

Today is the most important day.

[Guest guest]

Hi ZAck and Jackie.

Could you help me on this. When you were on the diet for 2 years, how often did

you cheat (once a month, once a week or not at all) The reason I ask is becoz I

don't want to isolate myself form social gathering. It's esp diffciult when

there's only carbs and veggies to eat.

Were there times you faltered durign the 2 years

How bad was your candida symptoms when you did the diet?

Are all the symptoms you had gone now?

Thanks

Joni

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[Guest guest]

Hi Joni,

I asked about cheating and Bee told me as long as I don't do it more than

once a week and no longer than 2 hours at a time it's ok. The hard part for

me is getting back on the wagon. That always used to be easy for me in the

past but not anymore. Once I start, it's hard to stop and it's hard to go

back to the good diet for the next meal.

Hugs,

a

>Hi ZAck and Jackie.

>Could you help me on this. When you were on the diet for 2 years, how often

did you cheat (once a month, once a week or not at all) The reason I ask is

becoz I don't want to isolate myself form social >gathering. It's esp

diffciult when there's only carbs and veggies to eat.

>Were there times you faltered durign the 2 years

>How bad was your candida symptoms when you did the diet?

>Are all the symptoms you had gone now?

>Thanks

..>Joni

[Guest guest]

But I also imagine Bee would NOT suggest cheating at all. The more

one cheats, the longer it will take them to get well. We've read

here that sometimes if one cheats with one small serving of

something, after having been on the diet for awhile, that it can set

them back for 2 weeks. Of course, in the beginning, it's okay to eat

a small red potato and other less-ideal things as you transform the

body from running on carbs to running on fats. But that doesn't mean

Bee would say it's okay to eat a bowl of icecream w/chocolate syrup

every week... or several bowls within 2 hours.

I'm still trying to decide what to do at the big family Christmas

meal. (24 relatives). Definitely I will stay away from sweets, but I

don't want to be too much of a spectacle. I won't see them again

until next Thanksgiving. Probably load up on turkey and meat and eat

a few small servings of casseroles or something....

Doug

>

> Hi Joni,

>

>

>

> I asked about cheating and Bee told me as long as I don't do it

more than

> once a week and no longer than 2 hours at a time it's ok. The hard

part for

> me is getting back on the wagon. That always used to be easy for me

in the

> past but not anymore. Once I start, it's hard to stop and it's hard

to go

> back to the good diet for the next meal.

>

>

>

> Hugs,

>

> a

>

>

>

> >Hi ZAck and Jackie.

>

> >Could you help me on this. When you were on the diet for 2 years,

how often

> did you cheat (once a month, once a week or not at all) The reason

I ask is

> becoz I don't want to isolate myself form social >gathering. It's

esp

> diffciult when there's only carbs and veggies to eat.

>

> >Were there times you faltered durign the 2 years

>

> >How bad was your candida symptoms when you did the diet?

>

> >Are all the symptoms you had gone now?

>

> >Thanks

>

> .>Joni

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi ZAck and Jackie.

>

> Could you help me on this. When you were on the diet for 2 years,

how often did you cheat (once a month, once a week or not at all) The

reason I ask is becoz I don't want to isolate myself form social

gathering. It's esp diffciult when there's only carbs and veggies to

eat.

>

> Were there times you faltered durign the 2 years

>

> How bad was your candida symptoms when you did the diet?

>

> Are all the symptoms you had gone now?

==>Joni, most candida sufferers can cheat once a week, providing they

do it within a 1-2 hour period of time, without jeopardizing their

healing. Afterward it is helpful to do things that help the body

detoxify, i.e. Epsom Salt bath, megadoses of vitamin C, electrolyte

drink, extra B vitamins, niacin, bone broths, and teas like Pau

D'Arco, stinging nettle, dandelion, fresh parsley, etc. - see the

article " How to Detoxify Effectively " in the " Candida Symptoms,

Help For " Folder.

When you experience severe die-off reactions, in order to alleviate

your symptoms do the following as soon as possible (take these all at

once (in addition to your usual supplements), except for 2,000 mgs of

vitamin C, which is taken every hour:

a. 2 capsules of hydrochloric acid (preferably Betaine HCl with

pepsin).

b. 4,000 mgs vitamin C is taken immediately, and take 2,000 mgs every

hour until symptoms subside or until you reach bowel tolerance (loose

stools) and then cut back on the amount taken.

c. Vitamin B complex 100 mgs, in addition your daily amount.

d. 500 mgs of niacin (if you can stand the flush; if you cannot stand

the flush take at least 50 mgs every hour)

e. 10,000 IUs vitamin A.

f. 400 IUs vitamin D.

Note: Vitamins A and D are available in cod liver or halibut liver

oil capsules.

Also ensure you are taking calcium/magnesium according to the

Essential Supplement recommendations - they help minimize aches and

pains. You can also take 300 mg of magnesium citrate in addition to

your daily dose.

Bee

[Guest guest]

When I cheat more often than I can get away with I take 3 capsules of

cascara sagrada bark(herbal laxative) and a cranberry extract capsule

with a large glass of water. Once I eliminate the bad foods(cheat)

from my digestive system I feel much better. Does anyone know if

infrequent use is ok? I believe I have read that Bee doesn't approve

of cascara.

> >

> > Hi ZAck and Jackie.

> >

> > Could you help me on this. When you were on the diet for 2 years,

> how often did you cheat (once a month, once a week or not at all)

The

> reason I ask is becoz I don't want to isolate myself form social

> gathering. It's esp diffciult when there's only carbs and veggies

to

> eat.

> >

> > Were there times you faltered durign the 2 years

> >

> > How bad was your candida symptoms when you did the diet?

> >

> > Are all the symptoms you had gone now?

>

> ==>Joni, most candida sufferers can cheat once a week, providing

they

> do it within a 1-2 hour period of time, without jeopardizing their

> healing. Afterward it is helpful to do things that help the body

> detoxify, i.e. Epsom Salt bath, megadoses of vitamin C, electrolyte

> drink, extra B vitamins, niacin, bone broths, and teas like Pau

> D'Arco, stinging nettle, dandelion, fresh parsley, etc. - see the

> article " How to Detoxify Effectively " in the " Candida Symptoms,

> Help For " Folder.

>

> When you experience severe die-off reactions, in order to alleviate

> your symptoms do the following as soon as possible (take these all

at

> once (in addition to your usual supplements), except for 2,000 mgs

of

> vitamin C, which is taken every hour:

>

> a. 2 capsules of hydrochloric acid (preferably Betaine HCl with

> pepsin).

>

> b. 4,000 mgs vitamin C is taken immediately, and take 2,000 mgs

every

> hour until symptoms subside or until you reach bowel tolerance

(loose

> stools) and then cut back on the amount taken.

>

> c. Vitamin B complex 100 mgs, in addition your daily amount.

>

> d. 500 mgs of niacin (if you can stand the flush; if you cannot

stand

> the flush take at least 50 mgs every hour)

>

> e. 10,000 IUs vitamin A.

>

> f. 400 IUs vitamin D.

>

> Note: Vitamins A and D are available in cod liver or halibut liver

> oil capsules.

>

> Also ensure you are taking calcium/magnesium according to the

> Essential Supplement recommendations - they help minimize aches and

> pains. You can also take 300 mg of magnesium citrate in addition

to

> your daily dose.

>

> Bee

>

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

Rather than do that, why not do a vitamin C flush, take extra

magnesium, or do an enema to induce elimination? All these things are

apart Bee's recommendations, and they offer other benefits as well.

Jecca

--- " rpautrey2 " <rpautrey2@...> wrote:

When I cheat more often than I can get away with I take 3 capsules of

cascara sagrada bark(herbal laxative) and a cranberry extract capsule

with a large glass of water. Once I eliminate the bad foods(cheat)

from my digestive system I feel much better. Does anyone know if

infrequent use is ok? I believe I have read that Bee doesn't approve

of cascara.

[Guest guest]

I cheated yesterday - unfortunately. When I do it's usually during PMS and

since I have PMS every weekend I cheat more often than I want to. Anyway, I

took 12,000 mg vitamin C yesterday throughout the afternoon with baking

soda, I took 1,000 mg magnesium citrate before going to bed, and now I am

about to do a coffee enema. Still I feel miserable. Swollen eye lids, puffy

face, fatigue, stuffy nose, etc. It's really not worth it. Also what I noted

is that I had a normal bowel movement this morning. Ordinarily that amount

of vitamin C would induce runny stools for me. And I felt slightly nauseous

also after eating the cheats. I am starting the 9-day program again today

since I had to stop last time around day 5.

a

>Hey ,

>Rather than do that, why not do a vitamin C flush, take extra

>magnesium, or do an enema to induce elimination? All these things are

>apart Bee's recommendations, and they offer other benefits as well.

>Jecca

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jecca. I have already started the enemas and plan on using them

whether I cheat or not. I also take calcium/magnesium daily when not

rotating. Years ago I would do the vitamin C flush but I found they

were unpredictable and the high doses of C irritated my urinary tract.

I am also concerned about kidney/bladder crystals/stones. I plan on

using the C-flush when I am sure I will not be in a situation that

prevents me from having a place to go, but I also want to avoid

frequent use of the C-flush. If I don't routinely cheat and use the C-

flush I probably won't need to worry about the stones. I just ran out

of the C but I do normally take it when I have it. Some of the

recommended supplements I use are rotated when I refill the supplements

I am out of. Example: I normally take a B-complex but I rotate between

extra niacin or folate. I also rotate brands, potencies, and/or

formulas, or I do a supplement fast for reasons(recommendations,logic, &

money savings) that convinced me that was the proper way to take

supplements. That may be something I shouldn't worry about. Old habits

are hard to break.

>

> When I cheat more often than I can get away with I take 3 capsules of

> cascara sagrada bark(herbal laxative) and a cranberry extract capsule

> with a large glass of water. Once I eliminate the bad foods(cheat)

> from my digestive system I feel much better. Does anyone know if

> infrequent use is ok? I believe I have read that Bee doesn't approve

> of cascara.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi a,

Just wanted to wish you luck with the 9 day program. I hope it helps

lessen some of your symptoms soon! " )

Jecca

--- " a K. Carlton " <kristina.carlton@...> wrote:

....I am starting the 9-day program again today

since I had to stop last time around day 5...