dmps

[Guest guest]

To the best of what I have read. It is only available by prescription

in the US. If you attempt to order it from overseas, you can face some

serious legal issues. As in felony. Try to find a doctor that is

familiar with using it properly.

>

> Does anyone know if you can order DMPS from Germany through the mail?

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> If so, how?

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> Thanks,

>

> Phil

>

[Guest guest]

Mexico sounds great. I'm close and border guards don't seem to care

about something like dmps with everything else they need to worry

about: i.e. steroids, drugs, bombs. Does anyone know if you can get it

there?

Unless, someone knows a doc here in Los Angeles that is in to using it

(dmps in pill form). I've got good docs here but I hesitate wasting

the time seeing a doc unless a doc is already committed to the idea

that dental fillings (and swallowing them) are toxic.

Also, I've had an eczema patch on my back ever since swallowing a

dental filling 20 years ago. Any thoughts?

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> > > I lived in Germany. Yes, you can get it there but with a

> > prescription from a German doctor.

> > > [ ] Dmps

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> > > Somehow my last message was deleted. Does anyone know if it's

> > > possible to order dmps from a German pharmacy?

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> > > Phil

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[Guest guest]

Then what did you do? My eczema didn't respond to any goop the doctor

gave me. I did a search and the only pic that resembled my eczema was

numular eczema. That site said the only way you get rid of numular

eczema is to detox the mercury out of your system.

> > Also, I've had an eczema patch on my back ever since swallowing a

> > dental filling 20 years ago. Any thoughts?

>

>

> Eczema was caused by food intolerance for my family.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

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> Then what did you do? My eczema didn't respond to any goop the doctor

> gave me.

Used digestive enzymes, and then rotated foods to figure out which

foods my kids still could not eat, even with enzymes. This eliminated

the eczema.

ALA chelation and a few supplements eliminated the food problems.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> Which supplements? -

Depends on which foods. Certain supplement were " overall helpful " ,

like B vitamins, but others were targeted to the specific foods [and

reasons behind the intolerances]. Which foods are you working on?

Dana

[Guest guest]

Yikes. Chelating now. Silver all gone, removed six months ago. This

is embarrassing. At first, I tried all the stuff you hear about at

the nutrition store. Cilantro, chlorella, NAC blah blah blah, then,

when I didn't notice much difference, I heard about Zeolite and tried

that. Then I started hearing about DAN, looked into their stuff, so I

added, Lipo-something glutathione, Authia cream, and more stuff like

that. Then I stumbled on Andy Cutler's stuff and that seemed to make

sense. I've been through one bottle of DMSA, with the three day on

gig, and coupled that with ALA. When I finished with the DMSA I was

not terribly excited about doing more so the next weekend I just did

the ALA, and quite frankly, it was much nicer, rather euphoric

actually, much easier on the digestive tract; the waking up in the

night to take the stuff is a drag, so I wanted to try the DMPS for no

other reason than you only have to take it three times a day. I do

wonder why you go three days on and then take four days off. Figured

I'd check out the internet and try to find Andy's book, hoping it

could explain more of this. A lot of my interest in this came about

when I remembered a dentist screamed at me when I swallowed a chunk of

silver/mercury that she dug out of a tooth twenty years ago. That's

when the eczema showed up and the fatigue and the brain fog. The

fatigue and brain fog was worse twenty years ago after this happened

and it lasted a couple of years and then faded gradually, but never

completely left. I only had my silver removed about six months ago.

But then, I had some gold put in for something. I forget what you call

it.

>

>

> So are you chelating or planning to do so? Do you still have other

mercury amalgam dental fillings?

> S S

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> --- On Sun 06/03, onewithagoldenheart <

>

> That site said the only way you get rid of numular

> eczema is to detox the mercury out of your system.

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>

> We currently use DMPS for our 6 year old son as prescribed by our DAN.

> The 2 times per week delivery regime that we currently use is one 225mg

> suppository on Wednesday nights and one on Saturday nights.

That quantity of DMPS is extremely large (see below how much a huge

adult can tolerate), the delivery method will lead to erratic blood

levels, and there will be redistribution with every dose.

> *Does anyone else use DMPS?

I am an adult chelating myself with DMPS

> *What type of delivery regime do you use?

I take it orally, started at 18 mg per dose, now at 25 mg per dose,

every 6 h.

> *For how long do you follow this regime?

I have been taking it for over a year and a half.

> *What results have you seen?

My original hair test met 2 counting rules (= deranged mineral

transport caused by mercury poisoning). After one year of chelation

my hair test no longer meets any counting rules, meaning that mineral

transport is normalizing.

I feel way better while taking the DMPS than when I'm not taking it.

Some areas of pain have resolved, others haven't yet.

Other progress if difficult to say for sure because I have added

medications and supplements and changed to SCD during chelation.

I have introduced ALA and don't expect to get much more improvement

until I chelate for some time with both DMPS and ALA. I am able to

tolerate ALA chelation way better now as compared to when I started

(presumably because my body burden of mercury has been greatly reduced

in that time).

> *What side effects have you seen, if any?

>

I only had side effects when I stopped rounds when I was using a dose

that was too high. By lowering the dose and using longer rounds I

eliminated side effects.

J

> In advance, thank you for your feedback!

>

[Guest guest]

Many here use dmps effectively. They use oral and transdermal but on

an 8 hours dosing for three days on and four or more days off. This

low dose over a few days is more effective and reduces the

distribution seen with the type of protocol you described. It also

leads to less side effects, and a more comfortable chelation for the

child.

The results have been wonderful! Side effects can be minimal if this

low dose three day cycle is followed along with supplements to support

the body. At most yeast is the main issue seen, but this is addressed

with diet and supplements. I would suggest reading our file section on

how to chelate, without using this twice a week, suppository way.

Many here including myself do not use suppositories due to the nature

of administering them. This in itself can be traumatic. It does not

reduce the effects of gut yeast anyway, so we have found it not

necessary. Oral dmps dosing is steady and accurate. Transdermal and

suppositories leave room for guessing how much is being absorbed each

time. This can lead to unsteady levels of chelator.

Oral dmsa and oral ALA are also options should your doctor not be

willing to presribe oral dmps chelation on a low dose three day cycle.

It is dosed as 1/8-1/2 mg per pound and given every 8 hours. Three

days including those two nights, followed by four or more days with

just supplements and no chelators.

I would suggest visiting a site called www.dmpsbackfire.com

These are cases of people who used dmps in high dose infrequent

timing. Many doctors, DAN! or otherwise do not understand the time

that a chelator last in the body, and how important it is to do a

steady pull for a few days, rather than one large pull. When a dose is

adminstered once, what happens is that a bunch of metals are freed up.

And some are excreted, but the remainder is left to redistribute in

the body, because there are no follow up doses to bind it and remove

it. When a lower dose is given for three day, there is a continual

removal of metals for that three days, which results in less metals

being left free to redistribute when the round is over.

I in no way mean to scare you or anything at all, I just wanted you to

know that there is a safer way to help your little get rid of metals.

Without suppositories too. I hope this information is helpful.

>

> We currently use DMPS for our 6 year old son as prescribed by our

DAN.

> The 2 times per week delivery regime that we currently use is one

225mg

> suppository on Wednesday nights and one on Saturday nights.

> *Does anyone else use DMPS?

> *What type of delivery regime do you use?

> *For how long do you follow this regime?

> *What results have you seen?

> *What side effects have you seen, if any?

>

> In advance, thank you for your feedback!

>

[Guest guest]

We are currently on DMPS suppositories. We've only been at this for a week

and a half. We haven't seen any positives or negatives yet.

Pamela

" Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless

you're scared. "

Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI

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On Behalf Of laurellar

Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 4:33 PM

Subject: [ ] DMPS

We currently use DMPS for our 6 year old son as prescribed by our DAN.

The 2 times per week delivery regime that we currently use is one 225mg

suppository on Wednesday nights and one on Saturday nights.

*Does anyone else use DMPS?

*What type of delivery regime do you use?

*For how long do you follow this regime?

*What results have you seen?

*What side effects have you seen, if any?

In advance, thank you for your feedback!

[Guest guest]

We insert the DMPS suppositories at night while my son is asleep. They are

quite small and he does not wake up. The same is true for his MB12 shots.

Pamela

" Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless

you're scared. "

Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI

[Guest guest]

Pamela.

Awesome you are doing great then.

The negative show up right away,

symptoms of mercury are

back with a force.

The positive take a while to show up.

-- [ ] DMPS

We currently use DMPS for our 6 year old son as prescribed by our DAN.

The 2 times per week delivery regime that we currently use is one 225mg

suppository on Wednesday nights and one on Saturday nights.

*Does anyone else use DMPS?

*What type of delivery regime do you use?

*For how long do you follow this regime?

*What results have you seen?

*What side effects have you seen, if any?

In advance, thank you for your feedback!

[Guest guest]

Hi

Where do you get your DMPS from? We are using a DAN in South Africa who

orders it from the US but we are based in UK. Looking at ordering direct from

UK? Son also 5yo next week and preparing him for chelation at the moment.

TD-DMPS would be best for him with his anxiety about taking meds - alot less

traumatic for all!

Thanks

patriciaa_67 <cpand@...> wrote:

We use the transdermal DMPS and it has made a world of differnce for

our son. I know it may not be popular to say, but it's true my son

has made amazing gains from TD-DMPS (created by Dr. Buttar - I think

he's a doctor). It's about $160 per bottle and that lasts our 5 year

old about 2-3 months.

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> We insert the DMPS suppositories at night while my son is asleep.

They are

> quite small and he does not wake up. The same is true for his MB12

shots.

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> Pamela

>

> " Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no

courage unless

> you're scared. "

>

> Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI

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[Guest guest]

If it's one dose, with days between, then it is a protocol that is not

recommended. The dosing is not timed correctly and using suppositories

is usually not what is best.

I haven't used dmps, but it is supposed to be dosed every 8 hours for a

few days, then a break of several days before the next round.

I have used ALA and dmsa, since I give them together, the dose is every

3 hours for 3 days on with a break of 4 days before the next round.

Sue

>

> Our DAN has suggested dmps suppositories twice a week. I am wondering

if this is an overly cautious dosing or if perhaps we should ask for

dmsa since its supposed to be less toxic.

>

> I also think suppositories are a traumatic but our doc thinks the

taste of oral dmps would be too much for a 3yo. Anyone have any

suggestions or opinions.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Our DAN has suggested dmps suppositories twice a week. I am wondering

> if this is an overly cautious dosing

No. It is irresponsible dosing. Giving a single, likely high dose,

of DMPS twice a week will lead to more redistribution of mercury than

elimination and thus will lead to long term worsening of overall

symptoms. Suppositories are an inappropriate dosage form for chelators.

> or if perhaps we should ask for

> dmsa since its supposed to be less toxic.

>

The difference between the toxicity of DMSA and DMPS is so small that

it is not something to include in deciding between the two chelators.

Toxicity is related to the dose. Neither one is toxic at the dosage

range used in Andy's protocol. What is toxic is the mercury and other

metals that they move. If a person takes high doses of either one

they will be damaged by the large dose of moving more metals than the

person's body can cope with at one time.

Oral chelation with DMSA, DMPS, and ALA using the small, frequent

doses in Andy Cutler's protocol leads to a net movement of metals out

of the body with a minimum of redistribution. Essential elements of

his protocol are starting at the chelator dose that is appropriate to

the individual and supplementing nutrients that are likely to be in

short supply and necessary for healing.

See the FAQ of this group and Andy's two books, linked to in the links

section.

> I also think suppositories are a traumatic

You're right

but our doc thinks the taste

> of oral dmps would be too much for a 3yo. Anyone have any suggestions

> or opinions.

>

There are plenty of suggestions of how to give oral chelators to

children in the archives. Moria has compiled links to archived posts

on her web pages, which can be found by going to the love letters that

are linked to on the home page here and from there to her home page.

J

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi dear parents and Andy Cutler.

> I was wondering if i wanted to do the chelation, what is the lowest

> dose that i could start from,

The usual starting dose is 1/8 mg/lb, but you can start even lower,

say 5 mg per dose.

i thought even i should start with TD

> and after a mounth convert it to oral dmps. thanks for your time.

>

There is no reason to start with TD, in fact less is known about

chelation with TD formulations and there are more risks associated.

Start with oral. If you have side effects that are too much, in your

estimation, lower the dose. There will be a dose low enough that

nothing will happen - this dose will be different in different people.

J

[Guest guest]

Hi, My 3 years old boy was supposed to start chelation dmps infusion

but after a bad experience not finding the vein I refused it, tomorrow

we have a n appoint, with our Dan and i would like to know ay other

way that can be as good as infusion , we considered he is too young

and is not a good experience , he is terrified now if we taking to new

places, i guess he is thin king he is going for bloood test or any

medical treatment, pleasze any experience and if u have side effects

or good things , i will apreciate al the help for my little one.

Thanks.Elsamia.(he has high levels of yeast, metal, plastic and smoke )

[Guest guest]

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> Hi, My 3 years old boy was supposed to start chelation dmps infusion

> but after a bad experience not finding the vein I refused it,

I would personally not consider IV chelation unless I had tried oral,

transdermal, and other methods and those did not work well.

I chelated all four of my kids with oral ALA, with good success.

Here is my site section, you can browse the info

http://www.danasview.net/parent3.htm#chelation

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi, My 3 years old boy was supposed to start chelation dmps infusion

> but after a bad experience not finding the vein I refused it, tomorrow

> we have a n appoint, with our Dan and i would like to know ay other

> way that can be as good as infusion ,

>

I have heard that DMPS is one of the more dangerous chelators. Here is

what one website said about the oral version of it.

Possible Dangers of Oral DMPS chelation

Especially risky is the " DMPS challenge test " . This calls for an

injection of a high dose of DMPS. It is probably the riskiest way to

administer DMPS. DMPS can in some, induce metal poisoning, there's

little that can be done to rectify the situation. Admistration with as

little as 100mg 3x per day with food of oral DMPS has reportedly led to

s- Syndrome. Some other adverse reactions associated with

the use of DMPS: inflammation of the pancreas, headache, nausea, muscle

pain/weakness, diarrhea, stomach pain, rashes, decreased urination,

arrhythmias and allergic reactions.

There are so many other options. I have yet to go down this road, but

when I do chelate I plan to use a less invasive method like ALA or

cilantro or something like that

Take care.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

> I'm new here and need some insight. My daughter is scheduled for a

>DMPS injection this weekend.

DMPS or any other chelator should never be given by injection. What

happens is too much chelator floods the body too fast, loosens too

much metal all at once, so much that the body can't possibly

eliminate, and the loose metal will settle somewhere new causing more

damage.

Sometimes the damage from IV chelation is immediately apparent and

sometimes it takes a couple of IVs before the damage is apparent (in

the form of regression and the development of new symptoms that

weren't there before).

Please don't do it. Look through the archives for posts from parents

who had a child regress with that protocol.

>We are doing a 6 hour urine pre and post injection.

These tests are a waste of time and money. They just pick up on a bit

of the mercury that is readily available. Of course there will likely

be a larger number post injection. That doesn't tell you anything

about the mercury in the brain, or how much mercury was redistributed

to hard to get at places from the IV treatment.

DMPS does not remove mercury from the brain, but when a high dose is

given all at once it can " fling " mercury into the brain and deep tissues.

> What are the side effects of this?

There are lots of possibilities, everything that mercury has ever

caused. Regression is most likely. There have been some deaths. see

www.dmpsbackfire.com

> Will we lose all gains we have made with her so far??

Eventually, most likely.

> I really don't know what to expect. How often would she get these

>injections?

Never.

Oral chelation using reasonable doses of chelator taken at the half

life is what makes sense and what leads to improvement and cure.

J

> Thanks for any advice,

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

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I'm waiting for her medication, it should be here on friday. I'm

looking at the actual script and I don't really see where it is

written " IM " . but the nurse told me she would be getting a shot in

her buttocks, so I just assumed.....maybe she was wrong, let's hope

so. What is a safe dose for a 33 lb 3 year old?

Do you recommend the oral dmps then?

> >

> > Hi,

> > I'm new here and need some insight. My daughter is scheduled for

a

> >DMPS injection this weekend.

>

>

> DMPS or any other chelator should never be given by injection. What

> happens is too much chelator floods the body too fast, loosens too

> much metal all at once, so much that the body can't possibly

> eliminate, and the loose metal will settle somewhere new causing

more

> damage.

>

> Sometimes the damage from IV chelation is immediately apparent and

> sometimes it takes a couple of IVs before the damage is apparent (in

> the form of regression and the development of new symptoms that

> weren't there before).

>

> Please don't do it. Look through the archives for posts from

parents

> who had a child regress with that protocol.

>

>

>

>

> >We are doing a 6 hour urine pre and post injection.

>

>

> These tests are a waste of time and money. They just pick up on a

bit

> of the mercury that is readily available. Of course there will

likely

> be a larger number post injection. That doesn't tell you anything

> about the mercury in the brain, or how much mercury was

redistributed

> to hard to get at places from the IV treatment.

>

> DMPS does not remove mercury from the brain, but when a high dose is

> given all at once it can " fling " mercury into the brain and deep

tissues.

>

>

>

> > What are the side effects of this?

>

>

> There are lots of possibilities, everything that mercury has ever

> caused. Regression is most likely. There have been some deaths.

see

> www.dmpsbackfire.com

>

>

>

> > Will we lose all gains we have made with her so far??

>

>

> Eventually, most likely.

>

>

>

> > I really don't know what to expect. How often would she get these

> >injections?

>

>

> Never.

>

> Oral chelation using reasonable doses of chelator taken at the half

> life is what makes sense and what leads to improvement and cure.

>

> J

>

>

> > Thanks for any advice,

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