RE: dmsa with or without supps?

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What type of chelation schedule are you using? Every 4 hours for DMSA? Dose? We

do

the AC protocol and give all supplements during his 3 day rounds on. Cant

imagine

not. But we do have to give smaller amounts multiple times a day. We also do ES

baths

which are helpful. I believe different doctors have different beliefs/ideas of

what works

but we have had great results with very little side effects. Urinating more is

normal as

long as its not like WAY MORE : ) Is your child using a liver support? DMSA can

stress the liver. We use milk thistle drops. Hope this helps

 38 and Mom to three

Tasha 23..new Mommy ( means I am a Grammy )

Casey-Mae 13..sweet as pie

Elijah 2.. ASD and beautiful

________________________________

From: Heleni & Nick Babalis <chomedeysaints@...>

taca-usa ; chelatingkids2 ;

; ;

GFCFKids

Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 1:50:26 PM

Subject: dmsa with or without supps?

Hi all,

I have posted with all the groups I am currently with.  I need all the advise I

can get..

After a 3 week break we have started our 5Th round of chelation.  I had to give

my child a break because he was out of control. He is much better now so I

decided to start chelation again. Anyway here is my dilemma, previously I did

not supplement my child during the rounds (our DANS recommendation not to). 

However I  realized that after each round,the week following  he becomes a mess,

hyper, anxious, black circle under the eyes, crying, laughing, etc...So, with

this round I decided to do it my way, supplement him. I spoke to our DAN and she

said OK,  BUT,  to eliminate the following: any vitamins with minerals, zinc,

calcium, Epsom salt baths. We are day 2 of chelation and he seems better than

any other round we have done, except, the dark circles under his eyes and he

pees constantly. Am I to worry? Should I go against the recomm. of my DAN and

 incorporate the supps we were told not to give?  How about activated charcoal,

will this

help flush the metals? Please, I need your thoughts.

TXS!

Heleni

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Yes, add supps. The DAN is wrong.

No on the charcoal. It flushes EVERYTHING.

Circles under eyes could be a yeast problem.

You don't say how you are giving the DMSA or what dose. Every 4

hours, minimum of 3 days, yes?

>Hi all,

>I have posted with all the groups I am currently with. I need all

>the advise I can get..

>After a 3 week break we have started our 5Th round of chelation. I

>had to give my child a break because he was out of control. He is

>much better now so I decided to start chelation again. Anyway here

>is my dilemma, previously I did not supplement my child during the

>rounds (our DANS recommendation not to). However I realized that

>after each round,the week following he becomes a mess, hyper,

>anxious, black circle under the eyes, crying, laughing, etc...So,

>with this round I decided to do it my way, supplement him. I spoke

>to our DAN and she said OK, BUT, to eliminate the following: any

>vitamins with minerals, zinc, calcium, Epsom salt baths. We are day

>2 of chelation and he seems better than any other round we have

>done, except, the dark circles under his eyes and he pees

>constantly. Am I to worry? Should I go against the recomm. of my DAN

>and incorporate the supps we were told not to give? How about

>activated charcoal, will this

>help flush the metals? Please, I need your thoughts.

>TXS!

>Heleni

>

>__________________________________________________________

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>

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>

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Hi

We aren't doing the AC protocol unfortunately, at least not yet.  I have to buy

his book to better inform myself. I hear many great things about his protocol.  

Right  now I am following my DANS instructions (as much as possible). She

originally recommended 500mg caps every 8 hours for 3 days and then 11 days off.

However, since I have been reading  many posts, apparently,  500mg is way too

high.  SO, for my 13 year old boy, who weighs 110 lbs I give him half the cap,

250mg every 8hrs for 3 days. Lastly, she never mentioned anything about liver

support, but again, by reading other posts I incorporated the milk thistle 100mg

daily thinking it will help with supporting his liver ( she had us do blood

tests after the 4th round to ensure all is good with his liver etc..) I wonder

why she said not to do the ES baths..or not to give any  vit's with minerals? I

can't remember her reasons.  Lastly, while chelating do you all give probiotics

and/or any supps to control yeast flare ups,  such as gse, OoO,

s.boulardii,etc?

 

Sorry for all the questions...I just don't want my son to go thru what he did

the last 3-4 weeks. It was awful..to the point that he was being disruptive in

class and since then his teacher has implemented a behavioural program. They are

rewarding him with good behaviour with things he loves (with my consent of

course). Aghh, kind wait for all the lead and tin to be removed (he tested very

high on those).

TXS!

Heleni

 

 

From: Largey <l.largey@...>

Subject: Re: dmsa with or without supps?

Received: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 3:13 PM

What type of chelation schedule are you using? Every 4 hours for DMSA? Dose? We

do

the AC protocol and give all supplements during his 3 day rounds on. Cant

imagine

not. But we do have to give smaller amounts multiple times a day. We also do ES

baths

which are helpful. I believe different doctors have different beliefs/ideas of

what works

but we have had great results with very little side effects. Urinating more is

normal as

long as its not like WAY MORE : ) Is your child using a liver support? DMSA can

stress the liver. We use milk thistle drops. Hope this helps

 38 and Mom to three

Tasha 23..new Mommy ( means I am a Grammy )

Casey-Mae 13..sweet as pie

Elijah 2.. ASD and beautiful

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Heleni & Nick Babalis <chomedeysaints@ .ca>

taca-usa@group s.com; chelatingkids2; @

groups. com; ; GFCFKids@group s.com

Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 1:50:26 PM

Subject: dmsa with or without supps?

Hi all,

I have posted with all the groups I am currently with.  I need all the advise I

can get..

After a 3 week break we have started our 5Th round of chelation.  I had to give

my child a break because he was out of control. He is much better now so I

decided to start chelation again. Anyway here is my dilemma, previously I did

not supplement my child during the rounds (our DANS recommendation not to). 

However I  realized that after each round,the week following  he becomes a mess,

hyper, anxious, black circle under the eyes, crying, laughing, etc...So, with

this round I decided to do it my way, supplement him. I spoke to our DAN and she

said OK,  BUT,  to eliminate the following: any vitamins with minerals, zinc,

calcium, Epsom salt baths. We are day 2 of chelation and he seems better than

any other round we have done, except, the dark circles under his eyes and he

pees constantly. Am I to worry? Should I go against the recomm. of my DAN and

 incorporate the supps we were told not to give?  How about activated charcoal,

will this

help flush the metals? Please, I need your thoughts.

TXS!

Heleni

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Hey ,

 

Please read below my answer to a member from another group. It pretty much

answers your question and more. Just a fyi...I am truly thinking trying AC

protocol next round by separating the dmsa on my own so he can get the every

4hrs dosage. What do you feel is an appropriate dosage fro my 13 yr.old? Or any

other suggestions would be much appreciated.  Please see below my answer to

someone  else.

________________________________________________________________

Hi ,

We aren't doing the AC protocol unfortunately, at least not yet.  I have to buy

his book to better inform myself. I hear many great things about his protocol.  

Right  now I am following my DANS instructions (as much as possible). She

originally recommended 500mg caps every 8 hours for 3 days and then 11 days off.

However, since I have been reading  many posts, apparently,  500mg is way too

high.  SO, for my 13 year old boy, who weighs 110 lbs I give him half the cap,

250mg every 8hrs for 3 days. Lastly, she never mentioned anything about liver

support, but again, by reading other posts I incorporated the milk thistle 100mg

daily thinking it will help with supporting his liver ( she had us do blood

tests after the 4th round to ensure all is good with his liver etc..) I wonder

why she said not to do the ES baths..or not to give any  vit's with minerals? I

can't remember her reasons.  Lastly, while chelating do you all give probiotics

and/or any supps to control yeast flare ups,  such as gse, OoO, s.boulardii,

etc?

 

Sorry for all the questions... I just don't want my son to go thru what he did

the last 3-4 weeks. It was awful..to the point that he was being disruptive in

class and since then his teacher has implemented a behavioural program. They are

rewarding him with good behaviour with things he loves (with my consent of

course). Aghh, kind wait for all the lead and tin to be removed (he tested very

high on those).

TXS!

Heleni

From: Ross <mrossgrp@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] dmsa with or without supps?

Received: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 3:20 PM

Yes, add supps. The DAN is wrong.

No on the charcoal. It flushes EVERYTHING.

Circles under eyes could be a yeast problem.

You don't say how you are giving the DMSA or what dose. Every 4

hours, minimum of 3 days, yes?

>Hi all,

>I have posted with all the groups I am currently with. I need all

>the advise I can get..

>After a 3 week break we have started our 5Th round of chelation. I

>had to give my child a break because he was out of control. He is

>much better now so I decided to start chelation again. Anyway here

>is my dilemma, previously I did not supplement my child during the

>rounds (our DANS recommendation not to). However I realized that

>after each round,the week following he becomes a mess, hyper,

>anxious, black circle under the eyes, crying, laughing, etc...So,

>with this round I decided to do it my way, supplement him. I spoke

>to our DAN and she said OK, BUT, to eliminate the following: any

>vitamins with minerals, zinc, calcium, Epsom salt baths. We are day

>2 of chelation and he seems better than any other round we have

>done, except, the dark circles under his eyes and he pees

>constantly. Am I to worry? Should I go against the recomm. of my DAN

>and incorporate the supps we were told not to give? How about

>activated charcoal, will this

>help flush the metals? Please, I need your thoughts.

>TXS!

>Heleni

>

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Heleni,

You can get a lot of the info from the files on this message board and

at Moria's site - linked in the files section here. It will give you

some info to study while waiting for Andy's book. That is how I did

it. When I could afford his book, I did buy it, but had been able to

gather lots of helpful info from the message board files first.

Age isn't important, weight is. I'm assuming your son is the 110lb 13

yo in the text below. If so, I sure hope you really aren't giving him

250 mg every 8 hours!! That is a massive amount. You want to give

1/8-1/4mg per pound of body weight. That would mean for your child a

starting dose would be only 12.5 mg per dosing. Every 4 hours is the

way to go too. Every eight hours, whether the smaller dose or larger

dose will cause redistribution since DMSA half life is 4 hours.

We give probiotics whether or not chelating - daily basis, also enzymes.

Supplements should continue during rounds. You may also need to

consider yeast protocols.

P

Heleni & Nick Babalis wrote:

>

>

> Just a fyi...I am truly thinking trying AC protocol next round by

> separating the dmsa on my own so he can get the every 4hrs dosage.

> What do you feel is an appropriate dosage fro my 13 yr.old? Or any

> other suggestions would be much appreciated. Please see below my

> answer to someone else.

> __________________________________________________________

> Hi ,

> We aren't doing the AC protocol unfortunately, at least not yet. I

> have to buy his book to better inform myself. I hear many great things

> about his protocol. Right now I am following my DANS instructions

> (as much as possible). She originally recommended 500mg caps every 8

> hours for 3 days and then 11 days off. However, since I have been

> reading many posts, apparently, 500mg is way too high. SO, for my

> 13 year old boy, who weighs 110 lbs I give him half the cap, 250mg

> every 8hrs for 3 days. Lastly, she never mentioned anything about

> liver support, but again, by reading other posts I incorporated the

> milk thistle 100mg daily thinking it will help with supporting his

> liver ( she had us do blood tests after the 4th round to ensure all is

> good with his liver etc..) I wonder why she said not to do the ES

> baths..or not to give any vit's with minerals? I can't remember her

> reasons. Lastly, while chelating do you all give probiotics

> and/or any supps to control yeast flare ups, such as gse, OoO,

> s.boulardii, etc?

>

> Sorry for all the questions... I just don't want my son to go thru

> what he did the last 3-4 weeks. It was awful..to the point that he was

> being disruptive in class and since then his teacher has implemented a

> behavioural program. They are rewarding him with good behaviour with

> things he loves (with my consent of course). Aghh, kind wait for all

> the lead and tin to be removed (he tested very high on those).

> TXS!

> Heleni

>

> -

>

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Have you joined the autism treatment group? It has great info there.

We started before we got the book with excellent results. Have you had

a hair test done? The reason your Dan may say not to supplement minerals

during chelation is that some get pulled with chelation. That is why we use

small doses through the day to avoid his body stores from being depleted..

DMSA is known to chelated potassium. My son does best with lots of

bananas on rounds..lol

We use probiotics on and off rounds and also biotin/magnesium for yeast.

My son isnt a big yeast kid though, so only use GSE or OOO sometimes.

I am glad you have liver support in place thats great. Does he drink lots of

water on rounds? Thats helful also.

Even though your son is over 100 lbs I would be very weary of still such a

high dose. Redistribution may be the reason for his hard 3-4 weeks. I know

it seems like the higher dose will pull more out, but it also leaves more to

re-deposite. The liver can only get so much junk out at a given time. Using high

dose

can actually make matters worse and not just for short term. Its also very

stressful

for the liver even with support. I would suggest just trying one or two rounds

of the DMSA at 50 mg every 4 hours round the clock.  If you feel it will be hard

to split we get ours here

http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=8111

Might make it easier.. Worth a shot to see how he does. My son is much younger

but

his lead went way down after just 8 rounds of 1/8 of a mg per pound. Hope this

helps

Hoping this go smoother for the young man : )

38 and Mom to three

Tasha 23..new Mommy ( means I am a Grammy )

Casey-Mae 13..sweet as pie

Elijah 2.. ASD and beautiful

________________________________

From: Heleni & Nick Babalis <chomedeysaints@...>

Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 3:50:21 PM

Subject: Re: dmsa with or without supps?

Hi

We aren't doing the AC protocol unfortunately, at least not yet.  I have to buy

his book to better inform myself. I hear many great things about his protocol.  

Right  now I am following my DANS instructions (as much as possible). She

originally recommended 500mg caps every 8 hours for 3 days and then 11 days off.

However, since I have been reading  many posts, apparently,  500mg is way too

high.  SO, for my 13 year old boy, who weighs 110 lbs I give him half the cap,

250mg every 8hrs for 3 days. Lastly, she never mentioned anything about liver

support, but again, by reading other posts I incorporated the milk thistle 100mg

daily thinking it will help with supporting his liver ( she had us do blood

tests after the 4th round to ensure all is good with his liver etc..) I wonder

why she said not to do the ES baths..or not to give any  vit's with minerals? I

can't remember her reasons.  Lastly, while chelating do you all give probiotics

and/or any supps to control yeast flare ups,  such as gse, OoO, s.boulardii,

etc?

 

Sorry for all the questions... I just don't want my son to go thru what he did

the last 3-4 weeks. It was awful..to the point that he was being disruptive in

class and since then his teacher has implemented a behavioural program. They are

rewarding him with good behaviour with things he loves (with my consent of

course). Aghh, kind wait for all the lead and tin to be removed (he tested very

high on those).

TXS!

Heleni

 

 

From: Largey <l.largey (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: dmsa with or without supps?

Received: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 3:13 PM

What type of chelation schedule are you using? Every 4 hours for DMSA? Dose? We

do

the AC protocol and give all supplements during his 3 day rounds on. Cant

imagine

not. But we do have to give smaller amounts multiple times a day. We also do ES

baths

which are helpful. I believe different doctors have different beliefs/ideas of

what works

but we have had great results with very little side effects. Urinating more is

normal as

long as its not like WAY MORE : ) Is your child using a liver support? DMSA can

stress the liver. We use milk thistle drops. Hope this helps

 38 and Mom to three

Tasha 23..new Mommy ( means I am a Grammy )

Casey-Mae 13..sweet as pie

Elijah 2.. ASD and beautiful

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Heleni & Nick Babalis <chomedeysaints@ .ca>

taca-usa@group s.com; chelatingkids2; @

groups. com; ; GFCFKids@group s.com

Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 1:50:26 PM

Subject: dmsa with or without supps?

Hi all,

I have posted with all the groups I am currently with.  I need all the advise I

can get..

After a 3 week break we have started our 5Th round of chelation.  I had to give

my child a break because he was out of control. He is much better now so I

decided to start chelation again. Anyway here is my dilemma, previously I did

not supplement my child during the rounds (our DANS recommendation not to). 

However I  realized that after each round,the week following  he becomes a mess,

hyper, anxious, black circle under the eyes, crying, laughing, etc...So, with

this round I decided to do it my way, supplement him. I spoke to our DAN and she

said OK,  BUT,  to eliminate the following: any vitamins with minerals, zinc,

calcium, Epsom salt baths. We are day 2 of chelation and he seems better than

any other round we have done, except, the dark circles under his eyes and he

pees constantly. Am I to worry? Should I go against the recomm. of my DAN and

 incorporate the supps we were told not to give?  How about activated charcoal,

will this

help flush the metals? Please, I need your thoughts.

TXS!

Heleni

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Thanks!  OK, wait a minute, did you miss-type? 12.5 mg per dose every 4 hrs.? My

son is a little over 110lbs to be exact and you say he should get 1/4mg per

pound of body weight, so doesn't that make it about 28mg per every 4hrs? Don't

we have to take his body weight and divide by 4?  I am bad in math so please

correct me if I am wrong. Also, that seems awfully low of a dose to me. I have

read a lot and researched  a lot from the net and the dose she gave us

originally (500mg) seems pretty accurate( according to the DAN protocols and

others), even tho I chose to give him half of what I was told. Now I am scared

s_ _ _ so please shed some light. I need to understand why one is better than

the other. I am running  out of time, he is 13 yrs old and so all the metals are

stuck in him for so long that I need to give him enough of a dose that will

remove them. Is there any supp that I can give that will work as a magnet to the

metals and help get rid of

faster?

 

TXS again

Heleni

>

>

> Just a fyi...I am truly thinking trying AC protocol next round by

> separating the dmsa on my own so he can get the every 4hrs dosage.

> What do you feel is an appropriate dosage fro my 13 yr.old? Or any

> other suggestions would be much appreciated. Please see below my

> answer to someone else.

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> Hi ,

> We aren't doing the AC protocol unfortunately, at least not yet. I

> have to buy his book to better inform myself. I hear many great things

> about his protocol. Right now I am following my DANS instructions

> (as much as possible). She originally recommended 500mg caps every 8

> hours for 3 days and then 11 days off. However, since I have been

> reading many posts, apparently, 500mg is way too high. SO, for my

> 13 year old boy, who weighs 110 lbs I give him half the cap, 250mg

> every 8hrs for 3 days. Lastly, she never mentioned anything about

> liver support, but again, by reading other posts I incorporated the

> milk thistle 100mg daily thinking it will help with supporting his

> liver ( she had us do blood tests after the 4th round to ensure all is

> good with his liver etc..) I wonder why she said not to do the ES

> baths..or not to give any vit's with minerals? I can't remember her

> reasons. Lastly, while chelating do you all give probiotics

> and/or any supps to control yeast flare ups, such as gse, OoO,

> s.boulardii, etc?

>

> Sorry for all the questions... I just don't want my son to go thru

> what he did the last 3-4 weeks. It was awful..to the point that he was

> being disruptive in class and since then his teacher has implemented a

> behavioural program. They are rewarding him with good behaviour with

> things he loves (with my consent of course). Aghh, kind wait for all

> the lead and tin to be removed (he tested very high on those).

> TXS!

> Heleni

>

> -

>

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Thank you so much for all your help. What you are saying makes so much sense. I

think I am going to try the 50 mg per 4 hrs and see how it goes. However,  I

will complete this round the way I started so I can be consistent.  Meanwhile,

 I will give my son some GSE and OOO to help with yeast and as well add

 magnesium and biotin...anything to avoid any flare ups. Lastly yes I am with

the autism treatment group.  I sent my email to them as well. Got some

replies from the too.

You have been great help.

 

Heleni

  

From: Largey <l.largey (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: dmsa with or without supps?

Received: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 3:13 PM

What type of chelation schedule are you using? Every 4 hours for DMSA? Dose? We

do

the AC protocol and give all supplements during his 3 day rounds on. Cant

imagine

not. But we do have to give smaller amounts multiple times a day. We also do ES

baths

which are helpful. I believe different doctors have different beliefs/ideas of

what works

but we have had great results with very little side effects. Urinating more is

normal as

long as its not like WAY MORE : ) Is your child using a liver support? DMSA can

stress the liver. We use milk thistle drops. Hope this helps

 38 and Mom to three

Tasha 23..new Mommy ( means I am a Grammy )

Casey-Mae 13..sweet as pie

Elijah 2.. ASD and beautiful

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Heleni & Nick Babalis <chomedeysaints@ .ca>

taca-usa@group s.com; chelatingkids2; @

groups. com; ; GFCFKids@group s.com

Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 1:50:26 PM

Subject: dmsa with or without supps?

Hi all,

I have posted with all the groups I am currently with.  I need all the advise I

can get..

After a 3 week break we have started our 5Th round of chelation.  I had to give

my child a break because he was out of control. He is much better now so I

decided to start chelation again. Anyway here is my dilemma, previously I did

not supplement my child during the rounds (our DANS recommendation not to). 

However I  realized that after each round,the week following  he becomes a mess,

hyper, anxious, black circle under the eyes, crying, laughing, etc...So, with

this round I decided to do it my way, supplement him. I spoke to our DAN and she

said OK,  BUT,  to eliminate the following: any vitamins with minerals, zinc,

calcium, Epsom salt baths. We are day 2 of chelation and he seems better than

any other round we have done, except, the dark circles under his eyes and he

pees constantly. Am I to worry? Should I go against the recomm. of my DAN and

 incorporate the supps we were told not to give?  How about activated charcoal,

will this

help flush the metals? Please, I need your thoughts.

TXS!

Heleni

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1/8 to 1/4 - I rounded at 100 lbs (where I got the 12.5 mgs - I didn't

sweat the other 1.75 mgs for the extra 10 lbs) and you should start at

the lower 1/8mg per pound dose then work up slowly, increasing the dose

a little at a time after several rounds. We are using just ALA here,

lead is not an issue so decided to just ALA. But, we stared at even

lower dosing - 1/16 mg per pound of body weight. After six months we

are only up to 1/12 mg per pound and still seeing great results. My

daughter is off almost all of her supplements already except during a

round. My son is down to just yeast protocol.

DAN! protocols are often unsafe and cause redistribution not exit

because they are such large doses the mobilize a lot of metal, but

infrequent enough so there isn't enough to keep the metals bound and

head them out the door. Andy Cutler's protocol is based on low dosing

and slowly chelating to keep it safe and lower any negative reactions

from redistribution and moving large quantities of metal though the

body. Giving him a large dose doesn't necessarily remove them, it just

moves them. Keeping it low dose, and frequent dosing (according to the

half life of the chelator or how long it remains active in the body)

removes them because the DMSA level in the body remains constant during

the three days ushering the metals out. Many here actually chelate

without a DAN! or using a doc only for testing they want to do. You can

do this without paying a doctor, without a prescription, etc. if you

want (not saying you will want to, just letting you know it can and is

often done.)

I know we all would like to quickly get our kids back to normal, but you

aren't running out of time if you are on a steady track to the finish

line. When you run out of time is when you follow unsafe methods and

cause more damage, similar to a dog chasing its tail. My son is 18, and

we only learned about this a bit over a year ago. I'd rather he gain

the rest of his adulthood than try to rush it and make a mistake that

will cause him one more day (or many more days) of darkness. The

dangers lie in going to quickly. There are many here who tried what you

have been told to do, only to cause damage and end up here trying to fix

it. Many DAN! docs don't necessarily know safety with chelation. The

recommendation many make to stop supplements during a round is also

contrary to what Andy has learned and taught. He is chemist, not

doctor, and understands the workings very well.

Don't be scared, just understand that there is so much more to learn.

Again, the files section has much information about how and why to go

slowly and steadily. A common saying here is that this is a marathon

not a sprint. I've done 6 months of chelation at the slow and steady

pace and see very few issues but lots of improvement for both of my

children (also a 14yo daughter). I realize that we will be doing this

for a couple years most likely, but prefer that to the stories I've

heard from people who have attempted the large infrequent doses.

P

Heleni & Nick Babalis wrote:

>

> Thanks! OK, wait a minute, did you miss-type? 12.5 mg per dose every

> 4 hrs.? My son is a little over 110lbs to be exact and you say he

> should get 1/4mg per pound of body weight, so doesn't that make it

> about 28mg per every 4hrs? Don't we have to take his body weight and

> divide by 4? I am bad in math so please correct me if I am wrong.

> Also, that seems awfully low of a dose to me. I have read a lot and

> researched a lot from the net and the dose she gave us originally

> (500mg) seems pretty accurate( according to the DAN protocols and

> others), even tho I chose to give him half of what I was told. Now I

> am scared s_ _ _ so please shed some light. I need to understand why

> one is better than the other. I am running out of time, he is 13 yrs

> old and so all the metals are stuck in him for so long that I need to

> give him enough of a dose that will remove them. Is there any supp

> that I can give that will work as a magnet to the metals and help get

> rid of

> faster?

>

> TXS again

> Heleni

>

>

> >

> >

> > Just a fyi...I am truly thinking trying AC protocol next round by

> > separating the dmsa on my own so he can get the every 4hrs dosage.

> > What do you feel is an appropriate dosage fro my 13 yr.old? Or any

> > other suggestions would be much appreciated. Please see below my

> > answer to someone else.

> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> > Hi ,

> > We aren't doing the AC protocol unfortunately, at least not yet. I

> > have to buy his book to better inform myself. I hear many great things

> > about his protocol. Right now I am following my DANS instructions

> > (as much as possible). She originally recommended 500mg caps every 8

> > hours for 3 days and then 11 days off. However, since I have been

> > reading many posts, apparently, 500mg is way too high. SO, for my

> > 13 year old boy, who weighs 110 lbs I give him half the cap, 250mg

> > every 8hrs for 3 days. Lastly, she never mentioned anything about

> > liver support, but again, by reading other posts I incorporated the

> > milk thistle 100mg daily thinking it will help with supporting his

> > liver ( she had us do blood tests after the 4th round to ensure all is

> > good with his liver etc..) I wonder why she said not to do the ES

> > baths..or not to give any vit's with minerals? I can't remember her

> > reasons. Lastly, while chelating do you all give probiotics

> > and/or any supps to control yeast flare ups, such as gse, OoO,

> > s.boulardii, etc?

> >

> > Sorry for all the questions... I just don't want my son to go thru

> > what he did the last 3-4 weeks. It was awful..to the point that he was

> > being disruptive in class and since then his teacher has implemented a

> > behavioural program. They are rewarding him with good behaviour with

> > things he loves (with my consent of course). Aghh, kind wait for all

> > the lead and tin to be removed (he tested very high on those).

> > TXS!

> > Heleni

> >

> > -

> >

>

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Yes, it turns out most DAN doctors know very little about how to

chelate properly without redistributing most of the metals in the

body instead of excreting them. You start with 1/8mg/lb (12.5mg) and

slowly increase to 1/4mg if there are no side-effects. And apparently

your child is having many already due to to excessive dose.

Read Andy's book and the archives and files here. Chelation is a

marathon, not a sprint. You can't go too fast without harming him

more. You are not running out of time.

After about 3 months, you can start adding ALA, too, every 3 hours.

This will remove the mercury from the brain, with DMSA does not.

>Thanks! OK, wait a minute, did you miss-type? 12.5 mg per dose

>every 4 hrs.? My son is a little over 110lbs to be exact and you say

>he should get 1/4mg per pound of body weight, so doesn't that make

>it about 28mg per every 4hrs? Don't we have to take his body weight

>and divide by 4? I am bad in math so please correct me if I am

>wrong. Also, that seems awfully low of a dose to me. I have read a

>lot and researched a lot from the net and the dose she gave us

>originally (500mg) seems pretty accurate( according to the DAN

>protocols and others), even tho I chose to give him half of what I

>was told. Now I am scared s_ _ _ so please shed some light. I need

>to understand why one is better than the other. I am running out of

>time, he is 13 yrs old and so all the metals are stuck in him for so

>long that I need to give him enough of a dose that will remove them.

>Is there any supp that I can give that will work as a magnet to the

>metals and help get rid of

>faster?

>

>TXS again

>Heleni

>

>

>>

>>

>> Just a fyi...I am truly thinking trying AC protocol next round by

>> separating the dmsa on my own so he can get the every 4hrs dosage.

>> What do you feel is an appropriate dosage fro my 13 yr.old? Or any

>> other suggestions would be much appreciated. Please see below my

>> answer to someone else.

>> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

>> Hi ,

>> We aren't doing the AC protocol unfortunately, at least not yet. I

>> have to buy his book to better inform myself. I hear many great things

>> about his protocol. Right now I am following my DANS instructions

>> (as much as possible). She originally recommended 500mg caps every 8

>> hours for 3 days and then 11 days off. However, since I have been

>> reading many posts, apparently, 500mg is way too high. SO, for my

>> 13 year old boy, who weighs 110 lbs I give him half the cap, 250mg

>> every 8hrs for 3 days. Lastly, she never mentioned anything about

> > liver support, but again, by reading other posts I incorporated the

>> milk thistle 100mg daily thinking it will help with supporting his

>> liver ( she had us do blood tests after the 4th round to ensure all is

>> good with his liver etc..) I wonder why she said not to do the ES

>> baths..or not to give any vit's with minerals? I can't remember her

>> reasons. Lastly, while chelating do you all give probiotics

>> and/or any supps to control yeast flare ups, such as gse, OoO,

>> s.boulardii, etc?

>>

>> Sorry for all the questions... I just don't want my son to go thru

>> what he did the last 3-4 weeks. It was awful..to the point that he was

>> being disruptive in class and since then his teacher has implemented a

>> behavioural program. They are rewarding him with good behaviour with

>> things he loves (with my consent of course). Aghh, kind wait for all

>> the lead and tin to be removed (he tested very high on those).

>> TXS!

>> Heleni

>>

>> -

>>

>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Heleni & Nick Babalis

Also, that seems awfully low of a dose to me.

===>It does seem low and it is hard to believe, but the lower doses work just

fine and do not carry the risk of the higher doses.

The most Dmsa we ever used was 10 mgs and I'm glad as judging by her reaction

to just 10 mgs, the huge dan! dosing would have harmed her immeasurably.

You can always go up.

Is there any supp that I can give that will work as a magnet to the metals and

help get rid of

faster?

===>Unfortunately not, and don't fall for the zeolite/ncd trap, in case the

salespeople are trolling the list and waiting to contact new people, they don't

chelate a thing and will waste your time.

TXS again

Heleni

>

>

> Just a fyi...I am truly thinking trying AC protocol next round by

> separating the dmsa on my own so he can get the every 4hrs dosage.

> What do you feel is an appropriate dosage fro my 13 yr.old? Or any

> other suggestions would be much appreciated. Please see below my

> answer to someone else.

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> Hi ,

> We aren't doing the AC protocol unfortunately, at least not yet. I

> have to buy his book to better inform myself. I hear many great things

> about his protocol. Right now I am following my DANS instructions

> (as much as possible). She originally recommended 500mg caps every 8

> hours for 3 days and then 11 days off. However, since I have been

> reading many posts, apparently, 500mg is way too high. SO, for my

> 13 year old boy, who weighs 110 lbs I give him half the cap, 250mg

> every 8hrs for 3 days. Lastly, she never mentioned anything about

> liver support, but again, by reading other posts I incorporated the

> milk thistle 100mg daily thinking it will help with supporting his

> liver ( she had us do blood tests after the 4th round to ensure all is

> good with his liver etc..) I wonder why she said not to do the ES

> baths..or not to give any vit's with minerals? I can't remember her

> reasons. Lastly, while chelating do you all give probiotics

> and/or any supps to control yeast flare ups, such as gse, OoO,

> s.boulardii, etc?

>

> Sorry for all the questions... I just don't want my son to go thru

> what he did the last 3-4 weeks. It was awful..to the point that he was

> being disruptive in class and since then his teacher has implemented a

> behavioural program. They are rewarding him with good behaviour with

> things he loves (with my consent of course). Aghh, kind wait for all

> the lead and tin to be removed (he tested very high on those).

> TXS!

> Heleni

>

> -

>

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Ok many of you said that I can get dmsa without DAN dr prescription, so please

guide me.  Where can I buy the dmsa for my son and the low dosage that many of

you recommended?

I think someone sent me a link.  I will go back and look at the responses I got.

Can I please get these links again? Also, I am not very good with computers,

where are these archives/files that can allow me to access  AC's  protocol? Is

it on the bottom of our emails where it says , files, messages, photos, etc..?

Thanks again,

Heleni

>>

>>

>> Just a fyi...I am truly thinking trying AC protocol next round by

>> separating the dmsa on my own so he can get the every 4hrs dosage.

>> What do you feel is an appropriate dosage fro my 13 yr.old? Or any

>> other suggestions would be much appreciated. Please see below my

>> answer to someone else.

>> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

>> Hi ,

>> We aren't doing the AC protocol unfortunately, at least not yet. I

>> have to buy his book to better inform myself. I hear many great things

>> about his protocol. Right now I am following my DANS instructions

>> (as much as possible). She originally recommended 500mg caps every 8

>> hours for 3 days and then 11 days off. However, since I have been

>> reading many posts, apparently, 500mg is way too high. SO, for my

>> 13 year old boy, who weighs 110 lbs I give him half the cap, 250mg

>> every 8hrs for 3 days. Lastly, she never mentioned anything about

> > liver support, but again, by reading other posts I incorporated the

>> milk thistle 100mg daily thinking it will help with supporting his

>> liver ( she had us do blood tests after the 4th round to ensure all is

>> good with his liver etc..) I wonder why she said not to do the ES

>> baths..or not to give any vit's with minerals? I can't remember her

>> reasons. Lastly, while chelating do you all give probiotics

>> and/or any supps to control yeast flare ups, such as gse, OoO,

>> s.boulardii, etc?

>>

>> Sorry for all the questions... I just don't want my son to go thru

>> what he did the last 3-4 weeks. It was awful..to the point that he was

>> being disruptive in class and since then his teacher has implemented a

>> behavioural program. They are rewarding him with good behaviour with

>> things he loves (with my consent of course). Aghh, kind wait for all

>> the lead and tin to be removed (he tested very high on those).

>> TXS!

>> Heleni

>>

>> -

>>

>

>

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Vrp.com - they have 25mg dmsa capsules

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Heleni & Nick Babalis

Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:17 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] dmsa with or without supps?

Ok many of you said that I can get dmsa without DAN dr prescription, so

please guide me. Where can I buy the dmsa for my son and the low dosage

that many of you recommended?

I think someone sent me a link. I will go back and look at the responses I

got.

Can I please get these links again? Also, I am not very good with computers,

where are these archives/files that can allow me to access AC's protocol?

Is it on the bottom of our emails where it says , files, messages, photos,

etc..?

Thanks again,

Heleni

>>

>>

>> Just a fyi...I am truly thinking trying AC protocol next round by

>> separating the dmsa on my own so he can get the every 4hrs dosage.

>> What do you feel is an appropriate dosage fro my 13 yr.old? Or any

>> other suggestions would be much appreciated. Please see below my

>> answer to someone else.

>> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

>> Hi ,

>> We aren't doing the AC protocol unfortunately, at least not yet. I

>> have to buy his book to better inform myself. I hear many great things

>> about his protocol. Right now I am following my DANS instructions

>> (as much as possible). She originally recommended 500mg caps every 8

>> hours for 3 days and then 11 days off. However, since I have been

>> reading many posts, apparently, 500mg is way too high. SO, for my

>> 13 year old boy, who weighs 110 lbs I give him half the cap, 250mg

>> every 8hrs for 3 days. Lastly, she never mentioned anything about

> > liver support, but again, by reading other posts I incorporated the

>> milk thistle 100mg daily thinking it will help with supporting his

>> liver ( she had us do blood tests after the 4th round to ensure all is

>> good with his liver etc..) I wonder why she said not to do the ES

>> baths..or not to give any vit's with minerals? I can't remember her

>> reasons. Lastly, while chelating do you all give probiotics

>> and/or any supps to control yeast flare ups, such as gse, OoO,

>> s.boulardii, etc?

>>

>> Sorry for all the questions... I just don't want my son to go thru

>> what he did the last 3-4 weeks. It was awful..to the point that he was

>> being disruptive in class and since then his teacher has implemented a

>> behavioural program. They are rewarding him with good behaviour with

>> things he loves (with my consent of course). Aghh, kind wait for all

>> the lead and tin to be removed (he tested very high on those).

>> TXS!

>> Heleni

>>

>> -

>>

>

>

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Are you treating yeast??

He needs to be on minerals and all the vitamins during the rounds and

off the rounds. You also need to be addressing gut yeast with

probiotics and antifungals.

I would go against the DAN. The activated charcoal is not likely to

absorb a lot but it can help absorb the gut yeast. However, it also

absorbs the vitamins and minerals. We have not used it for rounds

following Andy's protocol which includes probiotics and antifungals.

What doses? What chelators and what timing are you using? That is also

another huge factor in reactions.

>

> Hi all,

> I have posted with all the groups I am currently with.  I need all

the advise I can get..

> After a 3 week break we have started our 5Th round of chelation.  I

had to give my child a break because he was out of control. He is much

better now so I decided to start chelation again. Anyway here is my

dilemma, previously I did not supplement my child during the rounds

(our DANS recommendation not to).  However I  realized that after each

round,the week following  he becomes a mess, hyper, anxious, black

circle under the eyes, crying, laughing, etc...So, with this round I

decided to do it my way, supplement him. I spoke to our DAN and she

said OK,  BUT,  to eliminate the following: any vitamins with

minerals, zinc, calcium, Epsom salt baths. We are day 2 of chelation

and he seems better than any other round we have done, except, the

dark circles under his eyes and he pees constantly. Am I to worry?

Should I go against the recomm. of my DAN and  incorporate the supps

we were told not to give?  How about activated charcoal, will this

> help flush the metals? Please, I need your thoughts.

> TXS!

> Heleni

>

>

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My DAN told us to keep on all supplements while on round (except take a break on

difulucan while on round so not to over stress the liver). He also recommened

taking epson salt baths while on round (along with drinking chicken broth made

with a chicken that has its bones broken -more nutrients). I guess different

DANs have different recommendations, but I actually increase my son's zinc on

round because DMSA pulls zinc out. I also make sure he eats a banana each day

he is on round for the potassium.

@...: l.largey@...: Sat, 22 Nov

2008 12:13:41 -0800Subject: Re: dmsa with or without supps?

What type of chelation schedule are you using? Every 4 hours for DMSA? Dose? We

dothe AC protocol and give all supplements during his 3 day rounds on. Cant

imaginenot. But we do have to give smaller amounts multiple times a day. We also

do ES bathswhich are helpful. I believe different doctors have different

beliefs/ideas of what worksbut we have had great results with very little side

effects. Urinating more is normal aslong as its not like WAY MORE : ) Is your

child using a liver support? DMSA can stress the liver. We use milk thistle

drops. Hope this helps 38 and Mom to threeTasha 23..new Mommy ( means I am a

Grammy )Casey-Mae 13..sweet as pieElijah 2.. ASD and beautiful

________________________________From: Heleni & Nick Babalis

<chomedeysaints@...>taca-usa ;

chelatingkids2 ; ;

; GFCFKids@...: Saturday,

November 22, 2008 1:50:26 PMSubject: dmsa with or without supps?Hi

all,I have posted with all the groups I am currently with. I need all the

advise I can get..After a 3 week break we have started our 5Th round of

chelation. I had to give my child a break because he was out of control. He is

much better now so I decided to start chelation again. Anyway here is my

dilemma, previously I did not supplement my child during the rounds (our DANS

recommendation not to). However I realized that after each round,the week

following he becomes a mess, hyper, anxious, black circle under the eyes,

crying, laughing, etc...So, with this round I decided to do it my way,

supplement him. I spoke to our DAN and she said OK, BUT, to eliminate the

following: any vitamins with minerals, zinc, calcium, Epsom salt baths. We are

day 2 of chelation and he seems better than any other round we have done,

except, the dark circles under his eyes and he pees constantly. Am I to worry?

Should I go against the recomm. of my DAN and incorporate the supps we were

told not to give? How about activated charcoal, will thishelp flush the metals?

Please, I need your thoughts.TXS!Heleni____________ _________ _________

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So you are saying  calcium, zinc, and minerals should be given at all times,

right?

From: Jan <mercurybabies2@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: dmsa with or without supps?

Received: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 7:23 PM

Are you treating yeast??

He needs to be on minerals and all the vitamins during the rounds and

off the rounds. You also need to be addressing gut yeast with

probiotics and antifungals.

I would go against the DAN. The activated charcoal is not likely to

absorb a lot but it can help absorb the gut yeast. However, it also

absorbs the vitamins and minerals. We have not used it for rounds

following Andy's protocol which includes probiotics and antifungals.

What doses? What chelators and what timing are you using? That is also

another huge factor in reactions.

>

> Hi all,

> I have posted with all the groups I am currently with.  I need all

the advise I can get..

> After a 3 week break we have started our 5Th round of chelation.  I

had to give my child a break because he was out of control. He is much

better now so I decided to start chelation again. Anyway here is my

dilemma, previously I did not supplement my child during the rounds

(our DANS recommendation not to).  However I  realized that after each

round,the week following  he becomes a mess, hyper, anxious, black

circle under the eyes, crying, laughing, etc...So, with this round I

decided to do it my way, supplement him. I spoke to our DAN and she

said OK,  BUT,  to eliminate the following: any vitamins with

minerals, zinc, calcium, Epsom salt baths. We are day 2 of chelation

and he seems better than any other round we have done, except, the

dark circles under his eyes and he pees constantly. Am I to worry?

Should I go against the recomm. of my DAN and  incorporate the supps

we were told not to give?  How about activated charcoal, will this

> help flush the metals? Please, I need your thoughts.

> TXS!

> Heleni

>

>

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Yes, especially the zinc, calcium and magnesium both on and off rounds.

We also do selenium and Vit C on rounds. I believe that zinc is given

away from calcium since they compete for absorption. We do a cal/mag

supplement and dose it at a different time of day than the zinc.

Also, you asked about where the files were; yes that is the link to the

board file section at the bottom of the e-mail. Just click on it and it

will take you there. Or, you can use this address:

/files/

There is a lot there, but take your time. As I said before, you have

time to learn and figure out what is safest. We didn't start until ours

were older than yours, and recovery is going nicely.

P

Heleni & Nick Babalis wrote:

>

> So you are saying calcium, zinc, and minerals should be given at all

> times, right?

>

>

>

> F

>

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Heleni

Yes you dont want to change doses in the middle of a round. If you are a member

of autism treatment, you will get lots of info there from many parents doing this

for

a long time with excellent results and healthy happy kids. There is a supplement

file

under files that really helped my son before even starting. It tells what

supplements

suggested while chelating. its at the bottom of supplements file page. Andy's

dose

schedule is another good file to read as well as how to hair test. Getting a

hair test

without the need for a doctor at www.directlabs.com many on the A-M group can

read

these tests and tell way better what your son is toxic with..more accurate than

a challenge

test. The test is called " hair elements " you dont want the toxic elements hair

test it cant

be read correctly. they send you the kit, you send the hair and results are sent

to your

e-mail within 10 days in pdf file. I will be happy to show you my sons private

e-mail if

your curious.

Dont get overwhelmed. Its better to take your time and feel confident your doing

whats

best ..than rushing to make him better when their are so many ways that can not

work well.

Dan dr's mean well...but some really just go with the flow of other Dan Dr's not

knowing

a better way. Most did not go to medical school for chelation ..but most are

really on our side

just not all have it down quite right yet.

I am so glad I went with the AC protocol honestly. After reading and researching

and trying it..

I would never do it any other way ever ever...

When you give biotin just start with about 2.5 mg (same 2500 mcg) 3 times a

day.. Its one of those 

supplements you dont want to start too high. If you ever feel stuck just e-mail

me off list

with questions any time. We stear very close to the exact A-C recommendations so

its second

nature now. So happy your considering ..I am pulling for your boy .and .all

these beautiful children!

 38 and Mom to three

Tasha 23..new Mommy ( means I am a Grammy )

Casey-Mae 13..sweet as pie

Elijah 2.. ASD and beautiful

________________________________

From: Heleni & Nick Babalis <chomedeysaints@...>

@...

Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 6:16:45 PM

Subject: Re: dmsa with or without supps?

Thank you so much for all your help. What you are saying makes so much sense. I

think I am going to try the 50 mg per 4 hrs and see how it goes. However,  I

will complete this round the way I started so I can be consistent.  Meanwhile,

 I will give my son some GSE and OOO to help with yeast and as well add

 magnesium and biotin...anything to avoid any flare ups. Lastly yes I am with

the autism treatment group.  I sent my email to them as well. Got some

replies from the too.

You have been great help.

 

Heleni

  

From: Largey <l.largey (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: dmsa with or without supps?

Received: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 3:13 PM

What type of chelation schedule are you using? Every 4 hours for DMSA? Dose? We

do

the AC protocol and give all supplements during his 3 day rounds on. Cant

imagine

not. But we do have to give smaller amounts multiple times a day. We also do ES

baths

which are helpful. I believe different doctors have different beliefs/ideas of

what works

but we have had great results with very little side effects. Urinating more is

normal as

long as its not like WAY MORE : ) Is your child using a liver support? DMSA can

stress the liver. We use milk thistle drops. Hope this helps

 38 and Mom to three

Tasha 23..new Mommy ( means I am a Grammy )

Casey-Mae 13..sweet as pie

Elijah 2.. ASD and beautiful

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Heleni & Nick Babalis <chomedeysaints@ .ca>

taca-usa@group s.com; chelatingkids2; @

groups. com; ; GFCFKids@group s.com

Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 1:50:26 PM

Subject: dmsa with or without supps?

Hi all,

I have posted with all the groups I am currently with.  I need all the advise I

can get..

After a 3 week break we have started our 5Th round of chelation.  I had to give

my child a break because he was out of control. He is much better now so I

decided to start chelation again. Anyway here is my dilemma, previously I did

not supplement my child during the rounds (our DANS recommendation not to). 

However I  realized that after each round,the week following  he becomes a mess,

hyper, anxious, black circle under the eyes, crying, laughing, etc...So, with

this round I decided to do it my way, supplement him. I spoke to our DAN and she

said OK,  BUT,  to eliminate the following: any vitamins with minerals, zinc,

calcium, Epsom salt baths. We are day 2 of chelation and he seems better than

any other round we have done, except, the dark circles under his eyes and he

pees constantly. Am I to worry? Should I go against the recomm. of my DAN and

 incorporate the supps we were told not to give?  How about activated charcoal,

will this

help flush the metals? Please, I need your thoughts.

TXS!

Heleni

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Yes, we have been giving them for three years now.

> >

> > Hi all,

> > I have posted with all the groups I am currently with.  I need all

> the advise I can get..

> > After a 3 week break we have started our 5Th round of chelation.  I

> had to give my child a break because he was out of control. He is much

> better now so I decided to start chelation again. Anyway here is my

> dilemma, previously I did not supplement my child during the rounds

> (our DANS recommendation not to).  However I  realized that after each

> round,the week following  he becomes a mess, hyper, anxious, black

> circle under the eyes, crying, laughing, etc...So, with this round I

> decided to do it my way, supplement him. I spoke to our DAN and she

> said OK,  BUT,  to eliminate the following: any vitamins with

> minerals, zinc, calcium, Epsom salt baths. We are day 2 of chelation

> and he seems better than any other round we have done, except, the

> dark circles under his eyes and he pees constantly. Am I to worry?

> Should I go against the recomm. of my DAN and  incorporate the supps

> we were told not to give?  How about activated charcoal, will this

> > help flush the metals? Please, I need your thoughts.

> > TXS!

> > Heleni

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We chelated almost a year before we got up to 100mgs on a 151 lb boy.....we

started at 12.5 and my son recovered...they are telling you correctly. 500mgs

and even 250 is not ok.

[Guest guest]

Oh thank you for giving me hope. How old is your  son?  As well, did you do

other things to help recover your son prior to chelating him, like cleaning his

gut with diet, supps, b12 shots , etc??  How long did it take before he became

recovered?  Prior to biomedics and this journey my son was severe non-verbal,

 and now he is recovering slowly but surely.  They have assessed him with

  moderate autism and he could easily be HF but because of behaviour issues,

anxiety issues he is still moderate. He does not have  as speech problem

anymore.  He talks in full sentences and maybe not always 100% with clarity,

 but boy does he talk! ...hopefully chelation will be the icing, and my child

recovers.  I just want to make sure I do it right.

 

Thanks

Heleni

From: Axe <badaboom@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: dmsa with or without supps?

Received: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 10:07 PM

We chelated almost a year before we got up to 100mgs on a 151 lb boy.....we

started at 12.5 and my son recovered... they are telling you correctly. 500mgs

and even 250 is not ok.