Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Cath, Yes, the nutritionist/naturopath that I used for my kids does a urine and saliva test. This will test for 400 foods and 300 chemicals along with allergies, metals, poisons, toxins, viruses, bacteria, yeast, hormone imbalances, vitamins and minerals, etc. . She does everything over the phone and through the mail so any one can use her. Sharon > > As there a test for phenols? I know my daughter is sensitive to red > food colouring. But how can I determine whether she's sensitive to > phenols without doing a feingold trial?cath > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 > As there a test for phenols? I know my daughter is sensitive to red > food colouring. But how can I determine whether she's sensitive to > phenols without doing a feingold trial?cath The only real way to test for phenol issues is to remove high phenol foods, or try giving No-Fenol enzyme and/or epsom salt baths http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Hi, . I emailed you off list before I found it online, but this list might help you in determining what you can try next. http://www.gfcfdiet.com/SalicylatesGFCFfood.htm On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Arias <thinkingheads@...>wrote: > I read that colored fruits are high in phenols. Do they mean that > fruits that were pumped up with dye... or just colorful fruit? > > Right now she is eating pears. What fruit could I try next? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 > I read that colored fruits are high in phenols. Do they mean that > fruits that were pumped up with dye... or just colorful fruit? Natural colors. Phenols are chemical compounds that the body converts into antioxidants, so they are actually healthy, provided of course that the body is able to convert them. It is the inability of the body to convert them that causes " phenol issues " in children. > Right now she is eating pears. What fruit could I try next? I like this page http://www.zipworld.com.au/~ataraxy/Salicylates_list.html Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 > > I did the ALCAT Food Panel with my dd. It said she has a severe > reaction to phenols, as in from the chemical enviroment. Would this > also mean in foods? Not sure, altho I know taurine helps with chemical sensitivities. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 So does Taurine help with reactions to phenol foods? The Taurine helps during the day but nothing seems to help at night. I have been reading up on Carnisine for seizures. Have you heard of anyone having good results with this? On Jan 6, 2009, at 11:43 PM, danasview wrote: > > > > > I did the ALCAT Food Panel with my dd. It said she has a severe > > reaction to phenols, as in from the chemical enviroment. Would this > > also mean in foods? > > Not sure, altho I know taurine helps with chemical sensitivities. > > Dana > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 > > So does Taurine help with reactions to phenol foods? It might. I don't know for sure. The Taurine > helps during the day but nothing seems to help at night. I have been > reading up on Carnisine for seizures. Have you heard of anyone having > good results with this? I used carnosine for about a month. Helped with language a tiny bit. I used carnitine for about 2 years. Helped with proper absorption of many nutrients, plus muscle tone and a few other things. Because of how you spelled it above, I don't know which one you were referencing. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Here is a good website http://www.gfcfdiet.com/SalicylatesGFCFfood.htm @...: l.largey@...: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:47:25 +0000Subject: [ ] phenols HiDoes anyone have a good list of highe phenol foods and herbs? Is this in the files I may have missed? I just realized a few things my son has been taking that are high phenol such as curcumin almonds and bananas. I am trying to figure out if he is phenol sensitive by taking the majority out of his diet this week. See if he calms down at all. He gets VERY hyper after meals even though he eats well balanced and good healthy meals and we give protien through out the day. Very little sugar ( organic pears and pear juice) and he is on a good enzyme. Thanks for any tips/help _________________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 > > I am going under the assumption that phenols are a big problem for my > dd... but she also reacts wildly to maple syrup ... which is low in > phenols. I guess it could be phenols and anything sweet too. Seems > like she can't tolerate much. Hope it changes. Comments welcome. > Wild guess: Does she have trouble with tree nuts? If so, could that be the issue with maple syrup -- that it comes from a tree she reacts badly to? Michele http://www.healthgazelle.org http://www.kidslikemine.org http://www.solanorail.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 what do you mean. reacts to a tree? also.. she reacts to peanuts but not macadamian nuts. On Mar 2, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Michele wrote: > > > > > I am going under the assumption that phenols are a big problem > for my > > dd... but she also reacts wildly to maple syrup ... which is low in > > phenols. I guess it could be phenols and anything sweet too. Seems > > like she can't tolerate much. Hope it changes. Comments welcome. > > > > Wild guess: > Does she have trouble with tree nuts? If so, could that be the issue > with maple syrup -- that it comes from a tree she reacts badly to? > > Michele > http://www.healthgazelle.org > http://www.kidslikemine.org > http://www.solanorail.org > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 http://www.kraft.com.au/CookingSchool/Ingredients101/Nuts101.htm Tree nuts grow on trees and ground nuts grow underground. My son is allergic to peanuts (a ground nut), but not tree nuts (like walnut). It is possible to be allergic to both. > > > > > > I am going under the assumption that phenols are a big problem > > for my > > > dd... but she also reacts wildly to maple syrup ... which is low in > > > phenols. I guess it could be phenols and anything sweet too. Seems > > > like she can't tolerate much. Hope it changes. Comments welcome. > > > > > > > Wild guess: > > Does she have trouble with tree nuts? If so, could that be the issue > > with maple syrup -- that it comes from a tree she reacts badly to? > > > > Michele > > http://www.healthgazelle.org > > http://www.kidslikemine.org > > http://www.solanorail.org > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I see. I am not sure if its the nut itself or the sugar in the peanut butter. Sometimes she reacts.., sometimes she doesn't. It's wierd. On Mar 2, 2009, at 1:56 PM, orelindel wrote: > http://www.kraft.com.au/CookingSchool/Ingredients101/Nuts101.htm > > Tree nuts grow on trees and ground nuts grow underground. My son is > allergic to peanuts (a ground nut), but not tree nuts (like walnut). > It is possible to be allergic to both. > > > > > > > > > > I am going under the assumption that phenols are a big problem > > > for my > > > > dd... but she also reacts wildly to maple syrup ... which is > low in > > > > phenols. I guess it could be phenols and anything sweet too. > Seems > > > > like she can't tolerate much. Hope it changes. Comments welcome. > > > > > > > > > > Wild guess: > > > Does she have trouble with tree nuts? If so, could that be the > issue > > > with maple syrup -- that it comes from a tree she reacts badly to? > > > > > > Michele > > > http://www.healthgazelle.org > > > http://www.kidslikemine.org > > > http://www.solanorail.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 I've been reading old lab tests of my son, and came across the observation that he is having problems with methylation and sulphur. I read on the web that such kids benefit from a diet low in phenols. Did I understand this correct? (English is not my mothertongue) If yes, I don't understand no doctor ever advised this diet. Plus that means I should give him NoFenol as well. Am I correct?? Nicoline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 > > for those interested, i found this on kirkman's web site. funny thing is they list banana at the bottom. i always thought they were high? Bananas are low phenol and high amine. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 I also want to share the below list. I don't remember where I found it but I copied and saved it as a Word document.... My son is sensitive to every food on the list except in the low category. Can anyone point me in the right direction...I want to understand this more and fix this for my son...but don't know how or where to start. Is a phenol issue considered PST deficiency? Phenols/Salicylates Natural salicylates are found in wholesome foods, some individuals have difficulty tolerating even small amounts of them. The reaction to a natural salicylate can be severe if a person is highly sensitive. Some people are troubled by only one or two, while others are sensitive to all of them. Addressing the need to eliminate foods high in Phenols / salicylates is usually reserved for advanced stages of GFCF dietary intervention. A minimum of 2 months providing GFCF Foods should be addressed, making sure the diet is clean of gluten and casein offending ingredients before proceeding. Listed below are some of the symptoms that may be the result of eating highly phenolic foods. (Note: Not all of these symptoms need to be present and it is also important to note that these symptoms can also be due to autism, or other medical issues.) • dark circles under the eyes • red face/ears • diarrhea • hyperactivity • aggression • headache • head banging or other self-injury • laughing at in appropriate time (at night or when something is not funny.) • strange rashes that appear on the body • erratic behaviors and moods • self stimulatory behaviors • night walking for several hours • have a difficult time with their stools (with constipation, diarrhea or undigested foods.) By eliminating or greatly reducing phenols and salicylates many children on the spectrum became much happier and had fewer issues. There is some great information on phenols from www.feingold.org. LOW Low Fruits Apple (yellow) Banana Paw Paw Pear Pomegranate Low Vegetables Bamboo Shoot Bean sprouts Black-eyed peas Brown beans Brussel sprouts Cabbage Celery Garbanzo beans Leeks Lentils Lettuce Lima beans Mung beans Peas Potato Shallots Soybeans Summer squash Swede Sweet potato Low Grains Arrowroot Buckwheat Cornmeal Maize Millet Rice Soy Grits Low Nuts/Seeds Cashews Poppy seeds Low Animal Products Beef Egg Fish Lamb Liver Pork Poultry Shellfish Low Other Carob powder Chives Cocoa powder Maple syrup Milo Parsley Saffron Shallots Sugar Chamomile tea vodka MODERATE Moderate Fruits Apples (red) Casaba melon Cantaloupe Cherries (sweet) Figs Grapes light/seedless Kiwi (golden) Lemon Loquat Lychee Mango Nectarine Passion Fruit Persimmon Pineapple Tamarillo Watermelon Moderate Vegetables Asparagus Beet Carrot Cauliflower Corn Cauliflower Cucumber (no skin) Eggplant Green beans Olives (black) Onion Parsnip Pumpkin Rhubarb Spinach Squash (marrow) Turnip Moderate Nuts & Seeds Brazil nuts Coconut (dried) Hazelnuts Macadamia nuts Pecans Sesame seeds Sunflower seeds Walnuts Moderate Other Coriander leaves Corn syrup Garlic Molasses Tea (herbal/decaf) Wine (rose,white) HIGH-MODERATE High Moderate Fruits Apples (green) Cherries (sour) Grapes (red) Grapefruit (red) Kiwi (green) Mandarin orange Mulberries Peach Tangelo High Moderate Vegetables Alfalfa Broad beans Broccoli Chili peppers Cucumber (with skin) Mushrooms Okra Watercress High Moderate Nuts Pine nuts Pistachios High Moderate Other Coffee Fennel powder Wine (Cabernet/Riestling/Savignon HIGH High Fruits Apricots Blackberries Blueberries Boysenberries Cranberries Cranberry sauce Currants Dates Guava Loganberries Orange Plum Youngberries High Vegetables Chicory Endive Peppers (red/yellow) Mushrooms Radishes Tomatoes Zucchini High Nuts Almonds Peanuts Water chestnuts High Other Bay leaves Basil Caraway Champagne Chili powder Ginger root Mint Nutmeg Pepper (white) Peppermints Pimentos Rum Tea (green,black) Vanilla flavoring Vinegar VERY HIGH Very High Fruits Raisins Prunes Strawberries Raspberries Very High Vegetables Pepper (green) Tomato paste Tomato sauce Very High Other Allspice Cardamom Cloves Dill Licorice Paprika(sweet) Pepper Pickles EXTREMELY HIGH Aniseed Canella powder Cayenne Celery powder Cinnamon Cumin Curry Dill powder Honey Horseradish Mace Mustard powder Oregano Paprika (hot) Rosemary/ Sage Tarragon Turmeric Thyme Worcestershire sauce > > for those interested, i found this on kirkman's web site. funny thing is they list banana at the bottom. i always thought they were high? > > VERY HIGH > Apricots > Berries and cherries > Oranges and tangerines > Pineapple > Red grapes > Tomatoes > Peppers > Mint > Anise (licorice) > Olives > Dill > > HIGH TO MODERATE > Apples > Grapefruit > Peaches and mangos > Watermelon > Broccoli and spinach > Carrots > Lettuce and chinese vegetables (except iceberg/low) > Most nuts and seeds > Onions > > LOW TO NEGLIGIBLE > Bananas > Pears > Cabbage > Celery > Potatoes > Fats and oils > Sugars > Soy milk > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 > > what is amine? Similar to phenol, it is another chemical compound found in certain foods. I have links in the middle of my phenol page http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 > Can anyone point me in the right direction...I want to understand this more and fix this for my son...but don't know how or where to start. Is a phenol issue considered PST deficiency? I have info on my page here http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm My son's phenol issue was eliminated after round 10 of ALA chelation. My own phenol issue was eliminated after round 50. We used No-Fenol enzyme until we were able to remove it. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Dana, Did your son have problems with ALA until the phenol issue resolved? Thanks, 5yo PDD ________________________________ From: danasview <danasview@...> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:45:24 AM Subject: [ ] Re: phenols > Can anyone point me in the right direction... I want to understand this more and fix this for my son...but don't know how or where to start. Is a phenol issue considered PST deficiency? I have info on my page here http://www.danasvie w.net/phenol. htm My son's phenol issue was eliminated after round 10 of ALA chelation. My own phenol issue was eliminated after round 50. We used No-Fenol enzyme until we were able to remove it. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 so are kids that are sensative to phenols, sesative to this as well.. my son's nightsweats and giggles, and stimming are gone. i pulled oatmeal (gf), limited ketchup, changed chewing gums back to old kind, pulled red grapes, and bananas.. today i put back in oatmeal and he didn't stim and he isnt sweating right now.. he is back on rotation diet and hopefully this will help.. ARG! my son is so freaking sesnative! > > > > what is amine? > > > Similar to phenol, it is another chemical compound found in certain foods. I have links in the middle of my phenol page > > http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm > > Dana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 > Dana, > Did your son have problems with ALA until the phenol issue resolved? No, the ALA eliminated the phenol issue. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 > > so are kids that are sensative to phenols, sesative to this as well.. Sometimes, but not always. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Thanks, I was thinking I would have to give no-fenol with the ALA. ________________________________ From: danasview <danasview@...> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 10:10:07 AM Subject: [ ] Re: phenols > Dana, > Did your son have problems with ALA until the phenol issue resolved? No, the ALA eliminated the phenol issue. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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