Guest guest Posted July 25, 2000 Report Share Posted July 25, 2000 Hi all Twice now I have seen in recent mails to this list that people think overweight and eating a lot of sugar causes diabetes. This is simply not true. There appears to be a link. People who get diabetes are often overweight and some have a history of eating a lot of sweets. The overweight, the sugar craving AND the diabetes are all caused by candidiasis. My best friend is diabetic. Since I was diagnosed with candidiasis I have studied her condition very carefully indeed. She has been told by her doctor that she can expect to get Thrush a lot, cos it is " caused by diabetes. " She has had thrush over 20 times in twenty years. It's just something all diabetics have to live with, the doc said. And so is fatigue, weight gain, mood swings etc. What nonsense. This is candidiasis!!!! A Russian woman from Kiev who has been working for me was complaining about her ailments to me today while we worked together. She was talking at length about her many food intolences and she mentioned that 20 years ago in Russia the hospital consultant told her that penicillin had caused the food intolerances and that they were now incurable and irreversible. Until she said that, it did not occur to me that she has candidiasis. Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 Hi Alistair, Epstein Barr is a virus. It is more commonly known as Mononucleous or Mono. Once you get it, you won't ever be able to get rid of it as it is a virus. Depending on your health, it can lay dormant, or flare up. Symptoms are somewhat like Candida: Headache, Extreme Fatigue, Swollen Glands, and a Sore Throat. It is estimated that 95% of the adult population has Epstein Barr, as it is so easily spread. It is known as the kissing disease. Most people get it, and don't even know it. They may feel a little fatigued for a few days, somewhat like the flu. Or they may be hit hard with it (especially those with a run down immune system) and can actually lead to what is chronic mono, where they keep having flare ups for years. Unfortunatly, I fell into this catagory, and was stricken with it for over a year. Thanks to some incredible health supplements, I am the healthiest I have been in years. So you can beat it (or keep it in check at the dormant stage). The best thing to do is to keep your immune system up. Make sure you are getting plenty of rest. And take nutritional supplements: whole food sources (that will supply vitamins, and minerals) and not the multi vitamins that are synthetically made from the stores, and pau d'arco works really well too (this also helps with candida). Epstein Barr attacks your immune system which in turn helps to allow the candida to spread. But the health supplements, that you should take, should help both problems. If you have any questions, please let me know as I have both epstein barr, and candida. Sincerly, ~ P.S. Sorry, but I don't know what coxsace is. > I have just had another round of Electro dermal screening, and my > candida is down ... not gone but down ... and my aminos are at a good > level ... however.. I also have some epstein Barr.. and a thing > called coxsace.. > > > Can someone give me some details on what epstein barr is .. what it > does... how to get rid of it ... how it effects candida ... and how > long it sticks around for? > > Also if anyone knows anything about coxsace let me know .. although I > am sure you wount ... > > thanks to all > > and Seasons greetings > Alistair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 Hi , What whole supplements did you take? Thanks for the information. Peace, Jane > The best thing to do is to keep your immune system up. Make sure you > are getting plenty of rest. And take nutritional supplements: whole > food sources (that will supply vitamins, and minerals) and not the > multi vitamins that are synthetically made from the stores, and pau > d'arco works really well too (this also helps with candida). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 > Just found out I tested positive to epstein Barr, is anyone familiar with this? Lysine should eliminate this. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Yep, it's compliments of certain vaccines. http://www.whale.to/v/ebv.html http://www.whale.to/drugs/hepb23.html Antivirals will help. > > Just found out I tested positive to epstein Barr, is anyone familiar with this? > Thanks > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Epstein Barr virus is essential universal. 90% of adults worldwide have antibody to EBV. It is commonly secreted in saliva, which presumably accounts for its association with infectious mononucleosis, 'the kissing disease.' To ascribe it offhandedly to certain vaccines is reckless. If the antibody is of the IgG type, it may well represent response to a remote infection and antivirals will do nothing. It would be helpful to correlate the EBV antibody to plausible symptoms before running off half-cocked. Jim From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jan Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:37 AM Subject: [ ] Re: Epstein barr Yep, it's compliments of certain vaccines. http://www.whale.to/v/ebv.html http://www.whale.to/drugs/hepb23.html Antivirals will help. > > Just found out I tested positive to epstein Barr, is anyone familiar with this? > Thanks > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Jim, So if it's just a matter of high antibodies and no acute infection, does that mean there's nothing to worry about?? My doctor was in panic because my EP antibodies to a past infection were through the roof. Was he worried perhaps because my immune system had mounted such a huge defence? best, Popplewell schrieb: > > Epstein Barr virus is essential universal. 90% of adults worldwide > have antibody to EBV. It is commonly secreted in saliva, which > presumably accounts for its association with infectious mononucleosis, > 'the kissing disease.' To ascribe it offhandedly to certain vaccines > is reckless. If the antibody is of the IgG type, it may well represent > response to a remote infection and antivirals will do nothing. It > would be helpful to correlate the EBV antibody to plausible symptoms > before running off half-cocked. Jim > > From: > <mailto: %40> > [mailto: > <mailto: %40>] On Behalf Of Jan > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:37 AM > > <mailto: %40> > Subject: [ ] Re: Epstein barr > > Yep, it's compliments of certain vaccines. > http://www.whale.to/v/ebv.html <http://www.whale.to/v/ebv.html> > http://www.whale.to/drugs/hepb23.html > <http://www.whale.to/drugs/hepb23.html> > > Antivirals will help. > > > > > > Just found out I tested positive to epstein Barr, is anyone familiar > with this? > > Thanks > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 , it's hard to say what the doctor is concerned about. If the anti-EB titers are unusually high, it is possible in most labs to do an EBV panel looking at antibody to both the viral capsid and the cytoplasm, which can help differentiate among different conditions associated with EBV infection. If you think the issue may relate more to your immune system itself, then quantitative immunoglobulins or serum protein electrophoresis may be helpful, as would be repeat testing in a few weeks. In any case, I don't think it would be wise to plan a course of treatment based only on 'I tested positive to Epstein Barr'. Sorry I can't be more helpful. Jim [ ] Re: Epstein barr > > Yep, it's compliments of certain vaccines. > http://www.whale.to/v/ebv.html <http://www.whale.to/v/ebv.html> > http://www.whale.to/drugs/hepb23.html > <http://www.whale.to/drugs/hepb23.html> > > Antivirals will help. > > > > > > Just found out I tested positive to epstein Barr, is anyone familiar > with this? > > Thanks > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Jim, That's been very useful information. I'll go back now and look at my labs and see what more info I can glean based on what you noted.. Thank-you... Popplewell schrieb: > > , it's hard to say what the doctor is concerned about. If the > anti-EB titers are unusually high, it is possible in most labs to do > an EBV panel looking at antibody to both the viral capsid and the > cytoplasm, which can help differentiate among different conditions > associated with EBV infection. If you think the issue may relate more > to your immune system itself, then quantitative immunoglobulins or > serum protein electrophoresis may be helpful, as would be repeat > testing in a few weeks. In any case, I don't think it would be wise to > plan a course of treatment based only on 'I tested positive to Epstein > Barr'. Sorry I can't be more helpful. Jim > > [ ] Re: Epstein barr > > > > Yep, it's compliments of certain vaccines. > > http://www.whale.to/v/ebv.html <http://www.whale.to/v/ebv.html> > <http://www.whale.to/v/ebv.html <http://www.whale.to/v/ebv.html>> > > http://www.whale.to/drugs/hepb23.html > <http://www.whale.to/drugs/hepb23.html> > > <http://www.whale.to/drugs/hepb23.html > <http://www.whale.to/drugs/hepb23.html>> > > > > Antivirals will help. > > > > > > > > > > Just found out I tested positive to epstein Barr, is anyone familiar > > with this? > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 OK > > Just found out I tested positive to epstein Barr, is anyone familiar with this? > > > Lysine should eliminate this. > > Dana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 > > > > Just found out I tested positive to epstein Barr, is anyone familiar with this? > > Thanks > > > > > Andy http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Immunology is a somewhat difficult concept to understand. It helps to have a good liberal arts background. Jim From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of andrewhallcutler Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 3:58 PM Subject: [ ] Re: Epstein barr > > > > Just found out I tested positive to epstein Barr, is anyone familiar with this? > > Thanks > > > > > Andy http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 > Immunology is a somewhat difficult concept to understand. It helps to have a good liberal arts background. Jim Hahahhahahaha! Guess you differ with me on the concept that understanding what the lab tests mean, and how the body functions, is useful in interpreting results. ;-) Regardless of whether people have a well rounded liberal education, were technogeeks with a PhD or are high school dropouts who learned it on their own and became nutrition consultants I think the issue is having adequately detailed knowledge to not confuse things like levels of a specific IgG in blood with the number of viruses still active in the system. Andy http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Wow, enlightening! Thanks. In your opinion is it possible to have an infection, let's say HHV-6, with no symptoms, and then when your immune system recovers, to fight it off months, maybe years later? Renate ________________________________ From: andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...> Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 11:58:05 PM Subject: [ ] Re: Epstein barr  > > > > Just found out I tested positive to epstein Barr, is anyone familiar with this? > > Thanks > > > > > Andy http://www.noamalga m.com/index. html Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children http://www.noamalga m.com/biological treatments. html Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Renate, HHV-6 is another very common virus, and is often responsible for roseola in children. Almost everyone has antibodies to HHV-6 by mid to late childhood. Because the symptoms are often nonspecific, it would be difficult to say with certainty whether there were actual symptoms or not. In any case, the existence of antibody implies an immune response. When the immune response is absent or diminished, as in the case of a transplant recipient on immunosuppression, HHV-6 has been known to cause severe disease. You may be referring to latent infection, in which some viruses inhabit non-dividing cells or very early (so-called progenitor) cells and express themselves months to years later after having undergone genetic changes to change their antigenic appearance. This has been known to occur with HHV and a few other viruses, although it is not the norm. Jim From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Renate Lindeman Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Epstein barr Wow, enlightening! Thanks. In your opinion is it possible to have an infection, let's say HHV-6, with no symptoms, and then when your immune system recovers, to fight it off months, maybe years later? Renate ________________________________ From: andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...<mailto:AndyCutler%40aol.com>> <mailto: %40> Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 11:58:05 PM Subject: [ ] Re: Epstein barr > > > > Just found out I tested positive to epstein Barr, is anyone familiar with this? > > Thanks > > > > > Andy http://www.noamalga m.com/index. html Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children http://www.noamalga m.com/biological treatments. html Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 No. If you have an active viral infection and your immune system isn't fighting it, you die. Reasonably quickly. Before that happens you get lots of horrid symptoms that will definitely get you to seek medical care. If the immune system IS keeping a viral infection in check so that you survive and don't even have symptoms, then it doesn't have to " fight it off " later. Andy http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD > Wow, enlightening! Thanks. > In your opinion is it possible to have an infection, let's say HHV-6, with no symptoms, and then when your immune system recovers, to fight it off months, maybe years later? > Renate > > ________________________________ > From: andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@.. <mailto: %40groups\ ..com> > Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 11:58:05 PM > Subject: [ ] Re: Epstein barr > > > > > > > > > > Just found out I tested positive to epstein Barr, is anyone familiar with this? > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Andy > > http://www.noamalga m.com/index. html > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children > > http://www.noamalga m.com/biological treatments. html > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 > In your opinion is it possible to have an infection, let's say HHV-6, with no symptoms, and then when your immune system recovers, to fight it off months, maybe years later? I had two children without any viral symptoms at all, but once I started anti-virals with them, viruses starting coming out. So it is possible to have latent viruses without showing any noticeable symptoms, and still have the virus in your body, and the virus starts coming out when you give anti-virals. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 and when we use things like OLE, and the viruses start coming out (like HHV-6/herpes) and we continue the anti-virals (like OLE) does this mean we can draw them out to eliminate them, forever? > > In your opinion is it possible to have an infection, let's say HHV-6, with no symptoms, and then when your immune system recovers, to fight it off months, maybe years later? > > > I had two children without any viral symptoms at all, but once I started anti-virals with them, viruses starting coming out. So it is possible to have latent viruses without showing any noticeable symptoms, and still have the virus in your body, and the virus starts coming out when you give anti-virals. > > Dana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 > and when we use things like OLE, and the viruses start coming out (like HHV-6/herpes) and we continue the anti-virals (like OLE) does this mean we can draw them out to eliminate them, forever? In my experience, no. OLE and Virastop may be effective in eliminating any currently-existing viruses, but they don't help the immune system to keep new viruses away, unless you give them every day forever. [And the OLE/Virastop did not eliminate all of my son's existing viruses, either.] For example, the reason why my son had herpes viruses in his body, was that his body had basically no lysine, which is what the body uses to eliminate the viruses. So it was not until I supplemented with lysine until he was normalized, that his body could naturally fight off the herpes virus. My son needed vitamin C, vitamin A, vitamin D, and lysine, to correct the immune system such that it could repel new viruses on its own. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Hi how do you find out if lysine deficiency is an issue? Rahul On Nov 22, 2009, at 12:53 AM, danasview wrote: > > > and when we use things like OLE, and the viruses start coming out > (like HHV-6/herpes) and we continue the anti-virals (like OLE) does > this mean we can draw them out to eliminate them, forever? > > In my experience, no. OLE and Virastop may be effective in > eliminating any currently-existing viruses, but they don't help the > immune system to keep new viruses away, unless you give them every > day forever. [And the OLE/Virastop did not eliminate all of my > son's existing viruses, either.] > > For example, the reason why my son had herpes viruses in his body, > was that his body had basically no lysine, which is what the body > uses to eliminate the viruses. So it was not until I supplemented > with lysine until he was normalized, that his body could naturally > fight off the herpes virus. > > My son needed vitamin C, vitamin A, vitamin D, and lysine, to > correct the immune system such that it could repel new viruses on > its own. > > Dana > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 > how do you find out if lysine deficiency is an issue? At my house, I noticed that several of us had symptoms of herpes virus [warts, cold sores, etc]. So I gave lysine, and noticed a huge increase of those herpes symptoms. The virus was coming out. Even in those of us without any symptoms, within two weeks or so of starting lysine, we *all* developed symptoms. And, we *all* developed a nasty yeast overgrowth problem. Viral die off causes a lot of yeast. And, the lysine also caused major increase in language and social skills, and a major decrease in certain stims. So basically, I found out by trying it. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Very, very interesting, thank you. My daughter is 4 1/2, and for most of her life, I have noticed she runs a tempature around 99.3, when everyone else is 98.1. Her skin also feels like a low grade temp. but no other signs of being sick. It's not every day, but maybe...50% of the time. We've had blood tests, they always come up 'normal' (white blood cells, etc.) Had major blood tests done w/a DAN! 2 months ago, again, all 'normal' DAN! glossed over this subject when I brought it up. We no longer see this DAN! Dr. Any opinions? She has not been 'sick' in a long time, (knock on wood) I suspect latent viruses? We've only found out about her leaky gut and gone GFCF and biomed 5-6 weeks ago. Still seeing this 99.3-99.5 temp, check all the rest of us, we are all 98.1-97.8 Thank you so much, for any thoughts~ & 4 > > how do you find out if lysine deficiency is an issue? > > > At my house, I noticed that several of us had symptoms of herpes virus [warts, cold sores, etc]. So I gave lysine, and noticed a huge increase of those herpes symptoms. The virus was coming out. Even in those of us without any symptoms, within two weeks or so of starting lysine, we *all* developed symptoms. > > And, we *all* developed a nasty yeast overgrowth problem. Viral die off causes a lot of yeast. > > And, the lysine also caused major increase in language and social skills, and a major decrease in certain stims. > > So basically, I found out by trying it. > > Dana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 My suspicion is that your daughter is chronically sick, and her immune system is so compromised that it can only raise a slight fever, rather than a robust one. My son used to always be the same way, low-grade fever. He does not get sick the same way everyone else does. (Holding breath)... But he had very sick intestines the whole time when he had this pattern of low-grade fever. Follow Dana's suggestions..... My son had all- viruses, bacteria, fungi. > > > how do you find out if lysine deficiency is an issue? > > > > > > At my house, I noticed that several of us had symptoms of herpes virus [warts, cold sores, etc]. So I gave lysine, and noticed a huge increase of those herpes symptoms. The virus was coming out. Even in those of us without any symptoms, within two weeks or so of starting lysine, we *all* developed symptoms. > > > > And, we *all* developed a nasty yeast overgrowth problem. Viral die off causes a lot of yeast. > > > > And, the lysine also caused major increase in language and social skills, and a major decrease in certain stims. > > > > So basically, I found out by trying it. > > > > Dana > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 > My daughter is 4 1/2, and for most of her life, I have noticed she runs a tempature around 99.3, when everyone else is 98.1. > Her skin also feels like a low grade temp. but no other signs of being sick. It's not every day, but maybe...50% of the time. > We've had blood tests, they always come up 'normal' (white blood cells, etc.) > Had major blood tests done w/a DAN! 2 months ago, again, all 'normal' DAN! glossed over this subject when I brought it up. We no longer see this DAN! Dr. > Any opinions? She has not been 'sick' in a long time, (knock on wood) > I suspect latent viruses? Your suspicion sounds likely. My son started out always being sick. Then at some point when he was about 3-4yo, he was never sick. It was at that point that his immune system just basically shut down and stopped working. The viruses just went straight into his brain, his body stopped fighting them off. Your child may not be there yet, because it still tries to fight off the viruses with a small fever. I used vitamin C, vitamin D, vitamin A, and lysine. I did them one at a time, and waited for us to not need the previous one before starting the new one. Each time I switched to a new one, more viruses came out. So apparently, viruses are specific to each nutrient, as to what it requires to eliminate it. Good luck. Dana Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Hmmmmm????My daughter at 7 had 99.4 to 99.6 for the whole school year!!Non verbal and real loving child.She doesnt have that many viral things going on now.Her EBV early antigen Ab,IgG 1.0 High HHV-6 IgG Quant 1:320 high.MCV,MCH Low,RBC high,RDW high.But we did have staph infection about 2 months ago.She has been GFCF over 5 yrs just starting bio meds this last 2 months.I think its a combo with her.Bacteria virus yeast and toxic load.I swam in a( billion dollar clean up) toxic river in south jersey in my youth.I breast fed her toooo long.My son is ok I didnt do him more than 5 months.Twin brother that has no Autism Hmmm! Had to share! Deb K > > > how do you find out if lysine deficiency is an issue? > > > > > > At my house, I noticed that several of us had symptoms of herpes virus [warts, cold sores, etc]. So I gave lysine, and noticed a huge increase of those herpes symptoms. The virus was coming out. Even in those of us without any symptoms, within two weeks or so of starting lysine, we *all* developed symptoms. > > > > And, we *all* developed a nasty yeast overgrowth problem. Viral die off causes a lot of yeast. > > > > And, the lysine also caused major increase in language and social skills, and a major decrease in certain stims. > > > > So basically, I found out by trying it. > > > > Dana > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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