Guest guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 HI Jack My kids used to get dilated eyes. Its either an adrenaline or cortisol rush from PTSD, fear, excitement, - basically an inability to correctly read and respond to the situation, and then to self-regulate properly. Several kinds of brain training may help - it did for us. We found that proper nutrition and vitamins was the starting point - clearing up GI issues. Then it later took some specialized work with a therapist to work on some psychological issues like RAD and PTSD. One thing that really helped and was dramatic in how fast it worked was a therapy called EMDR which is now approved for veterans with PTSD. After that the best thing we did was Zengar neurofeedback which assists in calming, in attention - which helps everything if they aren't so hyper, and in training the brain to use the appropriate wavelengths to process information. There are developmental movement programs that I think are very beneficial - like Brain Gym, the whole NR program and there are others - like Bal-a-Visx. Basically you are trying to teach this brain to self regulate, slow down and give enough time to appropriately assess a situation before it reacts and goes into fight or flight mode. You should also consider adrenal problems in this arena, which can include processing of fats and cholesterol levels. Fish oils take a while to get going but I think should be included in these kids diets. Also avoid like crazy any processed foods fats like fast food junk, etc. We only use olive oil at home - canola is also good. If I let them eat french fries from 's as a treat I give them a digestive enzyme to go with it but that should be a rare event. The fake fats that are loaded into processed foods are very hard to break down and can wreak havoc with the adrenal glands. Most people do not realize that cholesterols and fats are precursors to many hormones in our bodies and the beginning point of cholesterol breakdown is in the adrenal gland. The improper fats that our society eats is probably a contributor to various disease states that occur later in life - even if you are thin. The dilated pupils are a symptom of underlying lack of regulation - so go at this from the paradigm of self regulation. Even think of it as a form of sensory integration disorder. I also have observed that just 1 treatment is unlikely to solve the whole problem - many times we need to migrate from one treatment to another. I lay the reason for that at the feet of where we are in the state of the art today in testing in neuroscience. Its still pretty prehistoric - if we knew exactly what was wrong we could work on it, but that is usually impossible to pinpoint. And the body is a very complicated mix of chemicals that all interact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010  Hi, My daughter has one pupil that is constantly more dilated than the other. Any thoughts about that?? Thanks ________________________________ From: <alyricss@...> jrussell8@...; Sent: Mon, March 15, 2010 2:48:19 PM Subject: dilated eyes  HI Jack My kids used to get dilated eyes. Its either an adrenaline or cortisol rush from PTSD, fear, excitement, - basically an inability to correctly read and respond to the situation, and then to self-regulate properly. Several kinds of brain training may help - it did for us. We found that proper nutrition and vitamins was the starting point - clearing up GI issues. Then it later took some specialized work with a therapist to work on some psychological issues like RAD and PTSD. One thing that really helped and was dramatic in how fast it worked was a therapy called EMDR which is now approved for veterans with PTSD. After that the best thing we did was Zengar neurofeedback which assists in calming, in attention - which helps everything if they aren't so hyper, and in training the brain to use the appropriate wavelengths to process information. There are developmental movement programs that I think are very beneficial - like Brain Gym, the whole NR program and there are others - like Bal-a-Visx. Basically you are trying to teach this brain to self regulate, slow down and give enough time to appropriately assess a situation before it reacts and goes into fight or flight mode. You should also consider adrenal problems in this arena, which can include processing of fats and cholesterol levels. Fish oils take a while to get going but I think should be included in these kids diets. Also avoid like crazy any processed foods fats like fast food junk, etc. We only use olive oil at home - canola is also good. If I let them eat french fries from 's as a treat I give them a digestive enzyme to go with it but that should be a rare event. The fake fats that are loaded into processed foods are very hard to break down and can wreak havoc with the adrenal glands. Most people do not realize that cholesterols and fats are precursors to many hormones in our bodies and the beginning point of cholesterol breakdown is in the adrenal gland. The improper fats that our society eats is probably a contributor to various disease states that occur later in life - even if you are thin. The dilated pupils are a symptom of underlying lack of regulation - so go at this from the paradigm of self regulation. Even think of it as a form of sensory integration disorder. I also have observed that just 1 treatment is unlikely to solve the whole problem - many times we need to migrate from one treatment to another. I lay the reason for that at the feet of where we are in the state of the art today in testing in neuroscience. Its still pretty prehistoric - if we knew exactly what was wrong we could work on it, but that is usually impossible to pinpoint. And the body is a very complicated mix of chemicals that all interact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 it is only very slightly dilated. she is not your typical autistic child even though she displays many of the symptoms. i have had her eyes checked nurmerous times by experts and no one thinks she even needs glasses she does not sweat excessively. in general leia has weak muscles. ________________________________ From: mcdmcd888 <margaret.d888@...> Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 3:36:46 PM Subject: Re: dilated eyes  Having only one pupil dilated is completely different than having both dilated in concert. I agree with what everyone else has posted, but you said ONE pupil is dilated. That is potentially medical rather than brought on by emotions. If only one pupil is dilated, she may have Adie's syndrome, a condition in which one pupil contracts more slowly than the other in response to light. It's usually caused either by a malfunction in the mechanism that controls the dilation reflex or from a harmless inflammation of the eye nerves. More seriously, a single dilated pupil could indicate a brain injury, stroke or tumor. If this is " new " , you should bring her to be seen immediately. An opthamologist can refer her on to another if it's not caused by ocular insufficiency. And, if she has always had it, probably it would be good to raise the question about Adie's. If she has always had it but it's getting worse, you should ask the doctor about a tumor that is growing or inflammation that is worsening. > > >  > Hi, > My daughter has one pupil that is constantly more dilated than the other. Any thoughts about that?? > Thanks > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: <alyricss@.. .> > jrussell8@.. .; > Sent: Mon, March 15, 2010 2:48:19 PM > Subject: dilated eyes > >  > HI Jack > > My kids used to get dilated eyes. Its either an adrenaline or cortisol rush > from PTSD, fear, excitement, - basically an inability to correctly read > and respond to the situation, and then to self-regulate properly. Several > kinds of brain training may help - it did for us. We found that proper > nutrition and vitamins was the starting point - clearing up GI issues. Then > it later took some specialized work with a therapist to work on some > psychological issues like RAD and PTSD. One thing that really helped and was > dramatic in how fast it worked was a therapy called EMDR which is now > approved for veterans with PTSD. > After that the best thing we did was Zengar neurofeedback which assists in > calming, in attention - which helps everything if they aren't so hyper, and > in training the brain to use the appropriate wavelengths to process > information. > > There are developmental movement programs that I think are very beneficial - > like Brain Gym, the whole NR program and there are others - like > Bal-a-Visx. Basically you are trying to teach this brain to self regulate, > slow down and give enough time to appropriately assess a situation before it > reacts and goes into fight or flight mode. > > You should also consider adrenal problems in this arena, which can include > processing of fats and cholesterol levels. Fish oils take a while to get > going but I think should be included in these kids diets. Also avoid like > crazy any processed foods fats like fast food junk, etc. We only use olive > oil at home - canola is also good. If I let them eat french fries from > 's as a treat I give them a digestive enzyme to go with it but that > should be a rare event. > > The fake fats that are loaded into processed foods are very hard to break > down and can wreak havoc with the adrenal glands. Most people do not > realize that cholesterols and fats are precursors to many hormones in our > bodies and the beginning point of cholesterol breakdown is in the adrenal > gland. The improper fats that our society eats is probably a contributor to > various disease states that occur later in life - even if you are thin. > > The dilated pupils are a symptom of underlying lack of regulation - so go at > this from the paradigm of self regulation. Even think of it as a form of > sensory integration disorder. > > I also have observed that just 1 treatment is unlikely to solve the whole > problem - many times we need to migrate from one treatment to another. I > lay the reason for that at the feet of where we are in the state of the art > today in testing in neuroscience. Its still pretty prehistoric - if we knew > exactly what was wrong we could work on it, but that is usually impossible > to pinpoint. And the body is a very complicated mix of chemicals that all > interact. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 > My daughter has one pupil that is constantly more dilated than the other. Any thoughts about that?? I would consider metal toxicity. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 my dan doc is saying also the she has high environmental toxicity. it's interesting. we're big on GSH and possibly later even stronger antioxidants  ________________________________ From: danasview <danasview@...> Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 4:05:49 PM Subject: Re: dilated eyes  > My daughter has one pupil that is constantly more dilated than the other. Any thoughts about that?? I would consider metal toxicity. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Hi, My brother has a condition called Holmes (I think 3) - which makes one of his eyes dilate more than the other. Una Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 In addition to what has been posted previously, one dilated pupil can also be an indication of a one sided weakness, a left brain/right brain imbalance, a sensory processing disorder that affect one side more than the other. I agree that a child with one dilated pupil should be examined medically, but in my son's case it was related to a left/right brain imbalance and his sensory processing disorder (SPD). The muscles that control the dilation were not working together, just like the muscles that controlled movements in his eyes, and the muscles in the rest of his body which were stronger on one side. His medical exam and eye exam were normal, and he grew out of this as he matured neurologically. Just my 2 cents! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 this sounds like my kid. thank you!  ________________________________ From: " HLMPT4@... " <HLMPT4@...> Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 7:06:26 PM Subject: Re: dilated eyes  In addition to what has been posted previously, one dilated pupil can also be an indication of a one sided weakness, a left brain/right brain imbalance, a sensory processing disorder that affect one side more than the other. I agree that a child with one dilated pupil should be examined medically, but in my son's case it was related to a left/right brain imbalance and his sensory processing disorder (SPD). The muscles that control the dilation were not working together, just like the muscles that controlled movements in his eyes, and the muscles in the rest of his body which were stronger on one side. His medical exam and eye exam were normal, and he grew out of this as he matured neurologically. Just my 2 cents! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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