Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 It was the capsules Mandi -- 2 in a pack. The talks by Walsh suggest that folates (folic acid?) B12 and niacin would help over-methylators. Are B12 and MB12 the same? I took 's advice and googled Walsh and over-methylation and got tables drawing distinctions between the two types in which Edith seemed to fit over-methylators more than the other sort but neither very clearly. Do I need to try DMG and B12 in order to rule them out? In the case of B6 and TMG they ruled themselves out very quickly (within days) because her reactions were so strong. Thanks for looking for them for me. I didn't expect any reaction from just two so I didn't connect it when it happened. Would going more slowly make a difference? xx Sally Mum231ASD@... wrote: In a message dated 02/03/2007 19:36:53 GMT Standard Time, bobsallyeva@ ntlworld. com writes: It was a Kirkman free sample. I threw the packet away yesterday and the binmen came and took it away today before the link occurred to me. So if it had TMG and B12 it would have had lots of methylation potential (you can tell I don't know what I'm doing) >>If it was the capsules Sally it did have Folinic and MB12 in - I have some of the samples here so I just checked Mandi x No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release Date: 01/03/2007 14:43 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 It was the capsules Mandi -- 2 in a pack. The talks by Walsh suggest that folates (folic acid?) B12 and niacin would help over-methylators. Are B12 and MB12 the same? I took 's advice and googled Walsh and over-methylation and got tables drawing distinctions between the two types in which Edith seemed to fit over-methylators more than the other sort but neither very clearly. Do I need to try DMG and B12 in order to rule them out? In the case of B6 and TMG they ruled themselves out very quickly (within days) because her reactions were so strong. Thanks for looking for them for me. I didn't expect any reaction from just two so I didn't connect it when it happened. Would going more slowly make a difference? >>>I have never understood the over and under methylator stuff - I fear the theory is flawed, many kids fit neither catagory, or half or one and half of the other. I feel I have more idea now for Sam (not much though YET) having had the Yasko Genomics done, unfortunately I paid for a GAR in October and still haven't got it yet - now conference is over I will chase them. ` Sorry no help Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 can't take DMG,TMG, B Complex but he can't do without MB12. I have no idea the why's or wherefore's but so pleased we didn't rule out MB12 on the basis of him probably being an overmethylator. Mind you I have another theory, my son only tolerates the most expensive supplements, if it's cheap he won't tolerate, if it breaks the bank it becomes crucial he must have it. Sorry couldn't resist that, bank statement just arrived. Vicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 I'd better get hold of a DMG sample since I only need a couple. Was it the Nutricentre handing out the Kirkman samples at the conference? Then I will contemplate the bank balance crushing MB12xx Sally >>let me have a look here Sally see whats in the Bag - I think DMG is in there too - I sort it out and send on Monday Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 OK actually I think the B vits are good so I will check them all out extensively xx Sally MaddiganV@... wrote: can't take DMG,TMG, B Complex but he can't do without MB12. I have no idea the why's or wherefore's but so pleased we didn't rule out MB12 on the basis of him probably being an overmethylator. Mind you I have another theory, my son only tolerates the most expensive supplements, if it's cheap he won't tolerate, if it breaks the bank it becomes crucial he must have it. Sorry couldn't resist that, bank statement just arrived. Vicky No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.6/708 - Release Date: 02/03/2007 16:19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 I'd better get hold of a DMG sample since I only need a couple. Was it the Nutricentre handing out the Kirkman samples at the conference? Then I will contemplate the bank balance crushing MB12 xx Sally Eva family wrote: OK actually I think the B vits are good so I will check them all out extensively xx Sally MaddiganVaol (DOT) com wrote: can't take DMG,TMG, B Complex but he can't do without MB12. I have no idea the why's or wherefore's but so pleased we didn't rule out MB12 on the basis of him probably being an overmethylator. Mind you I have another theory, my son only tolerates the most expensive supplements, if it's cheap he won't tolerate, if it breaks the bank it becomes crucial he must have it. Sorry couldn't resist that, bank statement just arrived. Vicky No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.6/708 - Release Date: 02/03/2007 16:19 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.6/708 - Release Date: 02/03/2007 16:19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Sally, the over/under methylation is a guide and some kids fit the profile exactly and some not so. Ours was a classic undermethylator and the supplements listed for under methylators were good for her and the ones for overmethylators...were in large part, not successful. This is not true for a lot of kids...I just mentioned it as I think it is worth looking at. Re: TMG It was the capsules Mandi -- 2 in a pack. The talks by Walsh suggest that folates (folic acid?) B12 and niacin would help over-methylators. Are B12 and MB12 the same? I took 's advice and googled Walsh and over-methylation and got tables drawing distinctions between the two types in which Edith seemed to fit over-methylators more than the other sort but neither very clearly. Do I need to try DMG and B12 in order to rule them out? In the case of B6 and TMG they ruled themselves out very quickly (within days) because her reactions were so strong. Thanks for looking for them for me. I didn't expect any reaction from just two so I didn't connect it when it happened. Would going more slowly make a difference? xx SallyMum231ASDaol wrote: In a message dated 02/03/2007 19:36:53 GMT Standard Time, bobsallyeva@ ntlworld. com writes: It was a Kirkman free sample. I threw the packet away yesterday and the binmen came and took it away today before the link occurred to me. So if it had TMG and B12 it would have had lots of methylation potential (you can tell I don't know what I'm doing) >>If it was the capsules Sally it did have Folinic and MB12 in - I have some of the samples here so I just checked Mandi x No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release Date: 01/03/2007 14:43 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 muchas gracias amiga xx Sally Mum231ASD@... wrote: In a message dated 03/03/2007 10:26:53 GMT Standard Time, bobsallyeva@ ntlworld. com writes: I'd better get hold of a DMG sample since I only need a couple. Was it the Nutricentre handing out the Kirkman samples at the conference? Then I will contemplate the bank balance crushing MB12 xx Sally >>let me have a look here Sally see whats in the Bag - I think DMG is in there too - I sort it out and send on Monday Mandi x No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.6/708 - Release Date: 02/03/2007 16:19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 , I am really grateful because you led me straight to an answer if not the answer. Even if over/under methylation turns out to be more confusing than one would like it sounds as if its definitely a clue. I gave Edith CLO as a baby and toddler. Then for some now forgotten reason I stopped. When she was about 5 or 6 I decided to re-introduce it (acting as always on a forgotten whim) and we had the worst day we have ever had with her and she's now 15. I told everyone that something about CLO would prove to be part of her answer. CLO was clearly significant and BAD. I stopped giving it to her immediately (if I could rerun this awful day in your brain you would understand why). Later I read going on about omega 3 and 6 and tried again. It worked and was obviously beneficial. What might be the difference? Maybe that in between we had given her Elmiron and calmed her gut and her behaviour -- whatever the CLO did was now clearly significant and good Likewise TMG is obviously significant and BAD. But it's significant. Thank you for thinking about it for me xx Sally Cochran wrote: Sally, the over/under methylation is a guide and some kids fit the profile exactly and some not so. Ours was a classic undermethylator and the supplements listed for under methylators were good for her and the ones for overmethylators. ..were in large part, not successful. This is not true for a lot of kids...I just mentioned it as I think it is worth looking at. Re: TMG It was the capsules Mandi -- 2 in a pack. The talks by Walsh suggest that folates (folic acid?) B12 and niacin would help over-methylators. Are B12 and MB12 the same? I took 's advice and googled Walsh and over-methylation and got tables drawing distinctions between the two types in which Edith seemed to fit over-methylators more than the other sort but neither very clearly. Do I need to try DMG and B12 in order to rule them out? In the case of B6 and TMG they ruled themselves out very quickly (within days) because her reactions were so strong. Thanks for looking for them for me. I didn't expect any reaction from just two so I didn't connect it when it happened. Would going more slowly make a difference? xx Sally Mum231ASDaol (DOT) com wrote: In a message dated 02/03/2007 19:36:53 GMT Standard Time, bobsallyeva@ ntlworld. com writes: It was a Kirkman free sample. I threw the packet away yesterday and the binmen came and took it away today before the link occurred to me. So if it had TMG and B12 it would have had lots of methylation potential (you can tell I don't know what I'm doing) >>If it was the capsules Sally it did have Folinic and MB12 in - I have some of the samples here so I just checked Mandi x No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release Date: 01/03/2007 14:43 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.6/708 - Release Date: 02/03/2007 16:19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 > Mind you I have another theory, my son only tolerates the most expensive > supplements, if it's cheap he won't tolerate, if it breaks the bank it becomes > crucial he must have it. Vicky, I think we might have the same son! Is that possible? :-) I may just put this in the supplement file as advice from parents: " If in doubt as to which supplmement to introduce next, choose the most expensive one, as it is the one most likely to work. " Thanks for the laugh, Anita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2008 Report Share Posted March 29, 2008 Dana ~ What would be an upper limit to go for with the folic acid and carnitine? I'll do it in increments. I've moved him up to 900mcg of Biotin and he's had no headaches so far. Right now it's 400mcg of Folinic acid and 250mg of Carnitine in the morning. Thanks, Donna > My son required folic acid and carnitine for proper absorption of TMG. > It also tended to cause yeast at first. > > Some kids do better with DMG, altho my son did better with TMG, once > those other supps were in place. > > > >>He is very sensitive to B vitamins ~ > > makes him hyper. > > > Try carnitine. > > > > He's only taking about 300mcg of folinic acid, 600mcg of Biotin, 400mg > > of mag and about 300mg of Carnitine in the AM along with other > > supplements. We do a B12 shot 1x a week b/c every 3 days put him in > > overdrive. > > > You probably need to increase the folic and carnitine. > > Dana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 lynn, so sorry I forgot to ask about zinc(really important question due to her sound sensitivity and tinnitus. I'm wondering how much is good to start...Many thanks! Joan-'s mom > > > Thanks, lynn, I do give Melatonin (3 grams?) so I'm > > wondering if the Natural calm would make her sleep too much? also, I > > give her the DeStress. Would all these things go together? I can't > > recall now, but I remember you said NOT to use BeCalmed, for a > > specific reason but to use Destress. I also give her folic acid, > > vitamin C, and magnesium. I gave her a b vitamin supplement, and read > > about it working on the nerves, and because her auditory system is so > > acute, I thought she was probably getting too much B. thanks so much > > for your advice. Joan-katie's mom > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 lynn, so sorry I forgot to ask about zinc(really important question due to her sound sensitivity and tinnitus. I'm wondering how much is good to start...Many thanks! Joan-'s mom > > > Thanks, lynn, I do give Melatonin (3 grams?) so I'm > > wondering if the Natural calm would make her sleep too much? also, I > > give her the DeStress. Would all these things go together? I can't > > recall now, but I remember you said NOT to use BeCalmed, for a > > specific reason but to use Destress. I also give her folic acid, > > vitamin C, and magnesium. I gave her a b vitamin supplement, and read > > about it working on the nerves, and because her auditory system is so > > acute, I thought she was probably getting too much B. thanks so much > > for your advice. Joan-katie's mom > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 lynn, so sorry I forgot to ask about zinc(really important question due to her sound sensitivity and tinnitus. I'm wondering how much is good to start...Many thanks! Joan-'s mom > > > Thanks, lynn, I do give Melatonin (3 grams?) so I'm > > wondering if the Natural calm would make her sleep too much? also, I > > give her the DeStress. Would all these things go together? I can't > > recall now, but I remember you said NOT to use BeCalmed, for a > > specific reason but to use Destress. I also give her folic acid, > > vitamin C, and magnesium. I gave her a b vitamin supplement, and read > > about it working on the nerves, and because her auditory system is so > > acute, I thought she was probably getting too much B. thanks so much > > for your advice. Joan-katie's mom > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 ----- Original Message ----- From: chelationworks ===>If he's getting emotional, he doesn't need, I agree, time to let it go. My son started this new supplement from Kirkman, I don't see any gain but I see he is a little blue. specially at night! What TMG [Folinc Acid & MB12] 500 mg caused on your child? any comments before I stop this supplement? mom to Eleazar [almost 4 yrs old - 38 lbs. -ASD] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Thanks ! I guess TMG & DMG is not for everyone. mom to Eleazar [almost 4 yrs old - 38 lbs. -ASD] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: chelationworks > > ===>If he's getting emotional, he doesn't need, I agree, time to let it go. > > > > > > > > My son started this new supplement from Kirkman, I don't see any gain but I see he is a little blue. specially at night! > What TMG [Folinc Acid & MB12] 500 mg caused on your child? > > any comments before I stop this supplement? > > > mom to Eleazar [almost 4 yrs old - 38 lbs. -ASD] > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 ----- Original Message ----- From: chelationworks Thanks ! I guess TMG & DMG is not for everyone. ===>Nope, nothing is for everyone, TMG was miraculous here for both mood and language, but her methylation was subpar, your boy's may be fine or he may need a different methylator; mb12, etc. mom to Eleazar [almost 4 yrs old - 38 lbs. -ASD] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: chelationworks > > ===>If he's getting emotional, he doesn't need, I agree, time to let it go. > > > > > > > > My son started this new supplement from Kirkman, I don't see any gain but I see he is a little blue. specially at night! > What TMG [Folinc Acid & MB12] 500 mg caused on your child? > > any comments before I stop this supplement? > > > mom to Eleazar [almost 4 yrs old - 38 lbs. -ASD] > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 It's been fantastic for Tom. Happiness/ language/ communication. Hope it's fantastic for your Tom too. Sara x (Dr C gave us TMG, black walnut tincture, Culturelle and Securil on the first visit. Has he given you exactly the same?) stephaniesirr wrote: > > > We've never used this before and Dr Culp has suggested it. It's the > next thing we would add in - struggling to find common reactions to > it. Anything we should look out for? > > thanks > > Steph x > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 no, we have musceleze, securil, 5HTP, P5P, aconite, TMG. wow, fingers crossed as our Tom could do with a bit of all of those! xx > > > > > > We've never used this before and Dr Culp has suggested it. It's the > > next thing we would add in - struggling to find common reactions to > > it. Anything we should look out for? > > > > thanks > > > > Steph x > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 YES FINGERS CROSSED!! What's aconite? stephaniesirr wrote: > > > no, we have musceleze, securil, 5HTP, P5P, aconite, TMG. > > wow, fingers crossed as our Tom could do with a bit of all of those! > > xx > > > > > > > > > > We've never used this before and Dr Culp has suggested it. It's the > > > next thing we would add in - struggling to find common reactions to > > > it. Anything we should look out for? > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > Steph x > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 homeopathic stuff that is for shock. Think I should be taking it really > > > > > > > > > > > > We've never used this before and Dr Culp has suggested it. It's the > > > > next thing we would add in - struggling to find common reactions to > > > > it. Anything we should look out for? > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > Steph x > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 oh wow. I think all of us mums should. It's probably good for those of us that have done well on chromium and adrenal cortex. I hope it does fantastic things for your Tom. Let us know. stephaniesirr wrote: > > > homeopathic stuff that is for shock. Think I should be taking it really > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've never used this before and Dr Culp has suggested it. > It's the > > > > > next thing we would add in - struggling to find common > reactions to > > > > > it. Anything we should look out for? > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > Steph x > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > We've never used this before and Dr Culp has suggested it. It's the > > > > next thing we would add in - struggling to find common reactions to > > > > it. Anything we should look out for? > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > Steph x > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi use aconite for shock aconite 200c it defintaely calms me down, maybe i should use it on my son!!!!I needed it after my father died last month and sometimes when my partner shouts.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 I purchased TMG because of my high TPO AUTOab results of 726. Do I take the TMG until the antibodies are lowered and then discontinue or do I keep taking this along with all the other vitamins? The order was placed before I read the about the DMG. Thank you, Coleen Re: Re: Loading test/flouride/bromide Yes that is the attitude I am taking. It is just too important to protect us and you will not get it in food like other nutrients. I do that with my children. They only take their thyroid meds on the weekends. Dr. Brownstein believes DMG is the better form to use. That is why he created the DMG Complete supplement. www.purezenhealth.com . My son takes it but he doesn't have antibodies. We do it because of the MTHFR gene defect that effects methylation / folate absorption. Steph Loading test/flouride/ bromide > > > My last loading test showed that I excreted 82% of the iodine. I'm currently taking 2 Iodoral tabs per day, but is it safe to assume that the higher your saturation, the lower levels of bromide and flouride are in your body? Also, with a level of 82%, is 2 pills per day over-doing it? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 how many of the DMG complete do you give your son...? my little girl is 12 years old and she takes iodine and other nutrients but am thinking of giving it to her as well as my older daughters who both have diagnoses hashi's and take iodine...do you give the DMG to him at the same time he takes iodine? From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@ sbcglobal. net> Subject: Re: Re: Loading test/flouride/ bromide iodinegroups (DOT) com Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 7:48 AM Not really. I still suspect your receptors are blocked by halides. What health issues do you have? It is always good to get a baseline loading test and then retest later. I would say at 9 mos to 1 year after supplementing with (preferably) 50 mgs. It is taking much longer for it to make a difference than the 6 mos Dr. Abraham origianally recommended to achieve saturation. It is also taking, in many cases, much larger amounts as well. Steph Loading test/flouride/ bromide > > > My last loading test showed that I excreted 82% of the iodine. I'm currently taking 2 Iodoral tabs per day, but is it safe to assume that the higher your saturation, the lower levels of bromide and flouride are in your body? Also, with a level of 82%, is 2 pills per day over-doing it? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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