TMG

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He is supposed to have 1 - 2x a day but we never get that done. It ends up being 1 per day.

Steph

Loading test/flouride/ bromide> > > My last loading test showed that I excreted 82% of the iodine. I'm currently taking 2 Iodoral tabs per day, but is it safe to assume that the higher your saturation, the lower levels of bromide and flouride are in your body? Also, with a level of 82%, is 2 pills per day over-doing it?>

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i wonder if i start my kids on dr. b's formula should i decrease the ATP cofactors since there is some overlap in the b vitamins that are in the DMG complete...and when you give it to him do you give it along with the iodine(at same time)..

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@ sbcglobal. net>Subject: Re: Re: Loading test/flouride/ bromideiodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 7:48 AM

Not really. I still suspect your receptors are blocked by halides. What health issues do you have?

It is always good to get a baseline loading test and then retest later. I would say at 9 mos to 1 year after supplementing with (preferably) 50 mgs. It is taking much longer for it to make a difference than the 6 mos Dr. Abraham origianally recommended to achieve saturation. It is also taking, in many cases, much larger amounts as well.

Steph

Loading test/flouride/ bromide> > > My last loading test showed that I excreted 82% of the iodine. I'm currently taking 2 Iodoral tabs per day, but is it safe to assume that the higher your saturation, the lower levels of bromide and flouride are in your body? Also, with a level of 82%, is 2 pills per day over-doing it?>

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Mine don't take the cofactors. B's are water soluable so your body flushes what it doesn't use.

Yes we take DMG with Iodine.

Steph

Loading test/flouride/ bromide> > > My last loading test showed that I excreted 82% of the iodine. I'm currently taking 2 Iodoral tabs per day, but is it safe to assume that the higher your saturation, the lower levels of bromide and flouride are in your body? Also, with a level of 82%, is 2 pills per day over-doing it?>

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ACtually I prefer sam-e instead 200 mgs 2 times a day, but TMG works

Helps to flush away excessive estrogen metabolites so liver does not get flood I

think when dim stops working is because liver is undermethyated and gets back

logged. When people add TMG it retifies this issue

Most people with thyroid issues have methylation issues and mutations

Every one is biospecific.

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> What exactly does TMG do??and why should it be taken with DIM?

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[Guest guest]

Dr. feels it helps your liver wash out the bad E's that get converted from

your body. And it is good for your heart some turns into SamE and this helps

with sleep.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: gviceman77@... <gviceman77@...>

> Subject: TMG

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> Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:04 PM

> What exactly does TMG do??and why

> should it be taken with  DIM?

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[Guest guest]

if person that is undermethyated they need sam-e

TMG may not always convert to sam-e

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> > From: gviceman77@... <gviceman77@...>

> > Subject: TMG

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> > Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:04 PM

> > What exactly does TMG do??and why

> > should it be taken with  DIM?

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[Guest guest]

I was wondering if anyone could tell me their experiences with TMG. My 5 yo is

responding very well to MB12 shots, and we just added folate and this helped

too. I tried B6 but I used too much and he got hyper. I wanted to supplement

his methylations system further and bought some Kirkman TMG. I chose TMG instead

of DMG because of the extra methyl group (...why not?) I'll start low and slow

of course, but does anyone have any advice or could tell me what to look for? I

have the liquid, the new one without folic acid and b12. Thanks!

[Guest guest]

sorry, I can't help you with dosing of TMG but I'm very interested in the

answer if others can help. I'm at a very similar stage with my ds.

He too reacted badly when I used B6 but when I intorduced the active form

(P5P) from Kirkman at a lowish dose alongside MB12 with folinic acid

(kirkman) he has improved immensly. His sleep improved immedicately.

Previously he would wake lots in night, be very restless and struggled to

get to sleep - I actually think he was having a type of seizure as he could

not go into dream sleep - this has all stoppped!

I'm also interested to know if anyone has had any adverse reactions from

TMG. I've used it for the last few days - just 250 mg and he's been really

manic (not sure if its to do with this though. I don't know whether to

continue with it or stop.

BW

Alison R

On 25 July 2010 13:03, <HLMPT4@...> wrote:

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>

> I was wondering if anyone could tell me their experiences with TMG. My 5 yo

> is responding very well to MB12 shots, and we just added folate and this

> helped too. I tried B6 but I used too much and he got hyper. I wanted to

> supplement his methylations system further and bought some Kirkman TMG. I

> chose TMG instead of DMG because of the extra methyl group (...why not?)

> I'll start low and slow of course, but does anyone have any advice or could

> tell me what to look for? I have the liquid, the new one without folic acid

> and b12. Thanks!

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My son has become really hyper on TMG. I read that if you give folinic acid with

the TMG it should fix the hyper activity. I ordered some yesterday, so hopefully

it will get here before he tears the house down:) All three of my kids have been

on TMG for 2 months with really great effects concerning keeping the yeast in

check. My son is the only one who got hyper from it.

[Guest guest]

What dose of TMG dose you give and how often -how much folinic acid will you

give.

I didn't realise it helped with yeast - that would be a real bonus

Alison R

On 27 July 2010 12:26, Les <lesburleson@...> wrote:

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>

> My son has become really hyper on TMG. I read that if you give folinic acid

> with the TMG it should fix the hyper activity. I ordered some yesterday, so

> hopefully it will get here before he tears the house down:) All three of my

> kids have been on TMG for 2 months with really great effects concerning

> keeping the yeast in check. My son is the only one who got hyper from it.

>

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[Guest guest]

> I was wondering if anyone could tell me their experiences with TMG.

Worked wonderfully here in combination with mB12. But both B12 and TMG required

carnitine and folic acid for proper absorption, so you will likely need to

increase those. TMG did tend to increase yeast here, so watch for that.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I'm using the book " Healing The New Childhood Epidemics Autsim, ADHD, Asthma,

and Allergies " by Dr. Bock and Cameron Stauth. His recommendation for

Folinic acid is 800 to 1600 mcg. He recommends 175-2,000 mg of TMG. I'm not sure

what testing you've done but he says both TMG and DMG work basically the same,

but indicators that you TMG are high homocysteine, low methionine, high serum

folate. He said indicators that you need DMG are low cysteine, high histidine,

and high serum folate. As for us I started my kids on 600 mcg once a day. after

a week I added a second dose in the evening...that was for my 13 and 11 year

olds. For my 7 year old, who is very tiny(45 lbs), I started her on 175 mcg on

the same schedule as the other two. I haven't increased because my son is super

hyper...waiting on that folinic acid:)I'm starting the two big kids on 800 mcg,

and the little one on 400 mcg

[Guest guest]

oops, forgot about the yeast. I hadn't finished reading my book yet so I didn't

know anything about TMG. I got a post from a friend from a website talking about

how TMG helps to fully heal the protective layer of the gut preventing leaky gut

and tackling yeast for good....it doesn't mean you'll never have a yeast issue

again, but you won't be battling it nonstop anymore. My kids' yeast was down

since the second week of TMG. In the past if they had any candy at all their

yeast would go right up. We had a family emergency and my kids went to stay with

my sister while I went to care for my Mom for a few weeks. So the kids were

having all kinds of diet infractions...their yeast was only slightly high after

three weeks of basically eating what they wanted. After a few days back home on

the diet they were fine. Since then they've had birthday parties where they've

had candy and they were totally fine!! I love this stuff

[Guest guest]

How can you tell if yeast is a little high or very high? Behaviors or some other

more tangible way? My son took TMG for several years and when Kirkman changed

from liquid to powder, he started doing off the wall stuff. Thought it was the

TMG, but ended up being the pain issue.

From: Les <lesburleson@...>

Subject: Re: TMG

Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 12:27 PM

 

oops, forgot about the yeast. I hadn't finished reading my book yet so I didn't

know anything about TMG. I got a post from a friend from a website talking about

how TMG helps to fully heal the protective layer of the gut preventing leaky gut

and tackling yeast for good....it doesn't mean you'll never have a yeast issue

again, but you won't be battling it nonstop anymore. My kids' yeast was down

since the second week of TMG. In the past if they had any candy at all their

yeast would go right up. We had a family emergency and my kids went to stay with

my sister while I went to care for my Mom for a few weeks. So the kids were

having all kinds of diet infractions...their yeast was only slightly high after

three weeks of basically eating what they wanted. After a few days back home on

the diet they were fine. Since then they've had birthday parties where they've

had candy and they were totally fine!! I love this stuff

[Guest guest]

tmg seems to work for kids who need the methyl donors, if it makes kids crazy,

then they might need the sulfur donors. Dmg seems to work better with those

kids.

nancy j

a child is diagnosed with

asd every 20 seconds

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> > I was wondering if anyone could tell me their

> experiences with TMG. My 5 yo

> > is responding very well to MB12 shots, and we just

> added folate and this

> > helped too. I tried B6 but I used too much and he got

> hyper. I wanted to

> > supplement his methylations system further and bought

> some Kirkman TMG. I

> > chose TMG instead of DMG because of the extra methyl

> group (...why not?)

> > I'll start low and slow of course, but does anyone

> have any advice or could

> > tell me what to look for? I have the liquid, the new

> one without folic acid

> > and b12. Thanks!

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Well, for my youngest when her yeast is really high she is extremely hyper. She

can't pay attention or listen at all. I literally have to put my hands on both

sides of her face to get her attention. She wakes up at night constantly. She

gets really mean, and she cries really easily. She's my NT child and usually her

behavior is pretty near perfect. When she's having yeast issues she's

unrecognizable. She also will have mild throat clearing snorting tics. When her

yeast is only a little high I see these behaviors but on a mild scale, and it's

easy to get it in check fast. With my two autistic kids when their yeast is

really high my son pees the bed (he's almost 12. When we did the yeast detox for

the first time this year he was finally able to go to bed without pull ups). He

gets very hyper and agressive, and has sleep disturbances. Usually the only

indication from him if his yeast is only a little up is bed wetting. My oldest

gets very very hyper and silly. She has trouble sleeping even with sleep meds.

She has huge emotional fits. If her yeast is only a little high she's just a

little silly and has minor trouble with sleep. Always with all three it's

obvious how bad the yeast is by how long it takes me to get it back down, and

how severe their symptoms are. With low yeast it takes 1-2 days of cutting back

sugar and increasing yeast killers. With high yeast it can take a week or more

[Guest guest]

Hi I know my son needs sulfur...I think it was in his mass of labwork.

I've been holding off on it to be sure we have the yeast in check first. So,

should he not take TMG? He is extremely hyper on it. I had him taking Betaine

HCI with Pepsin from the Vitamin Shoppe...the betaine HCI is TMG. He was super

jacked up. It was a big pill so my little one couldn't take it and I ordered her

the Kirkmans TMG capsules so I could pour it in her drink. My son started taking

that (since it's cheaper and then I don't have to have two separate types of

TMG) three days ago. His hyper activity has been down, but not gone. I'm

wondering if it was too high a dose with the Vitamin Shoppe brand? He was taking

800 mcg , now he's only taking 175 mcg 2 times a day...I'm slowly working him up

incase it causes tummy trouble. Do you know a good resource where I can look up

the sulfur TMG DMG issue? Thanks

[Guest guest]

What is the yeast detox program?

Thanks

Tisha Brown

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: TMG

Well, for my youngest when her yeast is really high she is extremely hyper. She

can't pay attention or listen at all. I literally have to put my hands on both

sides of her face to get her attention. She wakes up at night constantly. She

gets really mean, and she cries really easily. She's my NT child and usually her

behavior is pretty near perfect. When she's having yeast issues she's

unrecognizable. She also will have mild throat clearing snorting tics. When her

yeast is only a little high I see these behaviors but on a mild scale, and it's

easy to get it in check fast. With my two autistic kids when their yeast is

really high my son pees the bed (he's almost 12. When we did the yeast detox for

the first time this year he was finally able to go to bed without pull ups). He

gets very hyper and agressive, and has sleep disturbances. Usually the only

indication from him if his yeast is only a little up is bed wetting. My oldest

gets very very hyper and silly. She has trouble sleeping even with sleep meds.

She has huge emotional fits. If her yeast is only a little high she's just a

little silly and has minor trouble with sleep. Always with all three it's

obvious how bad the yeast is by how long it takes me to get it back down, and

how severe their symptoms are. With low yeast it takes 1-2 days of cutting back

sugar and increasing yeast killers. With high yeast it can take a week or more

[Guest guest]

I have a three week yeast detox diet that our DAN gave us. She prescribed two

weeks of diflucan with it as well. So you can see if you can get Diflucan from

your doc or use grapefruitseed extract or grapeseed extract. Grapeseed exctract

is tolerated better and tastes better, but grapefruitseed is more potent. If

you'd like a copy of the diet and some recipes we really like, and still use I'd

be happy to e-mail them to you

[Guest guest]

AFAIK, grapeseed extract is an antioxidant, and may actually increase yeast.

West, shanwest@...

2010-07-27

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From: Les

Receiver:

Time: 2010-07-27, 12:17:48

Subject: Re: TMG

>I have a three week yeast detox diet that our DAN gave us. She prescribed two

weeks of diflucan with it as well. So you can see if you can get Diflucan from

your doc or use grapefruitseed extract or grapeseed extract. Grapeseed exctract

is tolerated better and tastes better, but grapefruitseed is more potent. If

you'd like a copy of the diet and some recipes we really like, and still use I'd

be happy to e-mail them to you

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[Guest guest]

Les and anyone else

Thanks a lot I would love to have any info on a yeast detox program and special

diets for my four year old Matt with ASD. My email address is tkb1922@...

I really appreciate it. I am about to start chealating and really am concerned

about yeast flaring up.

Thanks

Tisha Brown

Re: TMG

>I have a three week yeast detox diet that our DAN gave us. She prescribed two

weeks of diflucan with it as well. So you can see if you can get Diflucan from

your doc or use grapefruitseed extract or grapeseed extract. Grapeseed exctract

is tolerated better and tastes better, but grapefruitseed is more potent. If

you'd like a copy of the diet and some recipes we really like, and still use I'd

be happy to e-mail them to you

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[Guest guest]

Actually that's what I thought too. When our DAN told me to use that instead of

the grapefruit seed extract I was thinking to myself " great, she doesn't know

what she's doing " . Then I was reading something...maybe the Sunderland Protocol,

I can't remember. I'll try to find it and post it. I've posted it on here

before. It is actually a natural yeast killer. One of my kids is allergic to

grapefruit, and the other two got such bad belly aches from it. I'll see if I

can find that info

[Guest guest]

> How can you tell if yeast is a little high or very high? Behaviors or some

other more tangible way?

Yeast info

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

My son uses TMG/Folinic Acid/mB12 from Kirkman Labs. You definitely need to

supplement the folinic acid with TMG. My son needs those methyl groups and is a

methyl-B12 responder big time. I tried to stop the TMG and his emotion

regulation got out of whack, weepy, whinny, ugh...hadn't seen that in over a

year until we messed with the TMG. Epsom salt baths also support his sulfate

intake...we've had a great response with it, but it was in combination with the

transdermal glutathione, folinic acid, methyl-B12 shots. Got his detox pathway

moving and then did IV chelation.

Blessings,

Joanne

www.healingautismandadhd.wordpress.com

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> I was wondering if anyone could tell me their experiences with TMG. My 5 yo is

responding very well to MB12 shots, and we just added folate and this helped

too. I tried B6 but I used too much and he got hyper. I wanted to supplement

his methylations system further and bought some Kirkman TMG. I chose TMG instead

of DMG because of the extra methyl group (...why not?) I'll start low and slow

of course, but does anyone have any advice or could tell me what to look for? I

have the liquid, the new one without folic acid and b12. Thanks!

>

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