Re: mitochondrial dysfunction

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

There's an explanation here on how to test for mtio

dysfunction...

http://www.autismspeaks.org/dawson_statement_vaccine_case.php

Here's is another interesting article on the

subject...

http://www.otherhealth.com/homeopathy-discussion/9491-biochemical-observations-m\

itochondrial-dysfunction-autism.html

--- Langeron <marylangeron@...> wrote:

> Does anyone know if there is a test for

> mitochondrial dysfunction and

> what the therapeutic implications are if it is

> positive?

> tks,

>

>

>

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> Does anyone know if there is a test for mitochondrial dysfunction and

> what the therapeutic implications are if it is positive?

I tested " by observation " . I wrote what my son needed to correct the

problem here

http://www.danasview.net/mar05.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi Jo,

Can I ask you why you chose carnitine fumarate (this form of carnitin), and what

tests did you do for your son's mito condition?

 

Thanks in advance!

From: detoxhealing <detoxhealing@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Mitochondrial Dysfunction

Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 9:48 AM

 

Andy has written that mitochondrial dysfunction is a red herring diagnosis for

toxicity. Mercury causes mitochondrial problems.

My youngest (now 3) had many signs of mitochondrial dysfunction since he was 1

including a bad vaccine reaction at 8 months. But I didn't do any spinal fluid

testing. As we chelate, he has improved in all areas. We did stop vaccinating

him and do give carnitine fumarate and CoQ-10 daily in addition to the usual

supplements.

Jo

>

> Does the A-C protocol work with children that have Mitochondrial Dysfunction?

I am just curious. We are still testing for stuff.

> Martha

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I believe Dana has info concerning a mito cocktail mixture she used on her

website.  I didn't use a cocktail per se, I dosed on the recommended

schedule/amount and added extra supps as needed (that may have been on the mito

list). No, you do not need a Drs referral (or Rx).

  S.

>

>From: healme42 <4usyoungs@...>

>

>Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 10:56:24 AM

>Subject: [ ] Re: Mitochondrial Dysfunction

>

> 

>The more I learn (and I stay up very late every night!) the more I realize I

>don't know. My son has brain fog and low muscle tone. What is in the

>mito-cocktail and do you need a dr's recommendation?

>Martha

>

>

>>

>> Yes.

>> Instead of doing the testing (which looks as if it can be very invasive

and

>> testing), research the symptoms.  You will find that a large amount

>> of children on the spectrum fall within the category. I haven't

found a

>> mainstream treatment for MD outside of using the ingredients in a

mit-cocktail

>

>> that is discussed on this list.  

>>

>> The more we chelate, the symptoms go away. i.e. brain fog and low muscle

tone.

>>

>> HTH,  S.

>>

>>

>> >

>> >From: healme42 <4usyoungs@...>

>> >

>> >Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 12:49:38 AM

>> >Subject: [ ] Mitochondrial Dysfunction

>> >

>> > 

>> >Does the A-C protocol work with children that have Mitochondrial

Dysfunction?

>>I

>>

>> >am just curious. We are still testing for stuff.

>> >Martha

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

So what are the main signs of mitochondrial dysfunction?

Mickie as no upper body muscle tone, but he is very active not fatigued like

I've read affected patients are, so what else do I look for in his blood

work. Does he have to have all the symptoms or do they vary.

Zurama

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Asem Demesinova <dmsnv@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi Jo,

> Can I ask you why you chose carnitine fumarate (this form of carnitin), and

> what tests did you do for your son's mito condition?

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

>

>

> From: detoxhealing <detoxhealing@... <detoxhealing%40gmail.com>>

> Subject: [ ] Re: Mitochondrial Dysfunction

>

> < %40>

> Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 9:48 AM

>

>

>

>

> Andy has written that mitochondrial dysfunction is a red herring diagnosis

> for toxicity. Mercury causes mitochondrial problems.

>

> My youngest (now 3) had many signs of mitochondrial dysfunction since he

> was 1 including a bad vaccine reaction at 8 months. But I didn't do any

> spinal fluid testing. As we chelate, he has improved in all areas. We did

> stop vaccinating him and do give carnitine fumarate and CoQ-10 daily in

> addition to the usual supplements.

>

> Jo

>

>

> >

> > Does the A-C protocol work with children that have Mitochondrial

> Dysfunction? I am just curious. We are still testing for stuff.

> > Martha

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

> The more I learn (and I stay up very late every night!) the more I realize I

don't know. My son has brain fog and low muscle tone. What is in the

mito-cocktail and do you need a dr's recommendation?

What my son needed is written here

http://www.danasview.net/mar05.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

> So what are the main signs of mitochondrial dysfunction?

At my house, every time I gave fatty foods or EFA supplements, my son became

mean and aggressive, and developed excessive ear wax.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> > > > Hi Jo,

> > > > Can I ask you why you chose carnitine fumarate (this form of carnitin),

> > and

> > > > what tests did you do for your son's mito condition?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks in advance!

We've used acetyl l-carnitine, l-carnitine and carnitine fumarate. He tolerated

them all, but I felt his muscle tone improved more with fumarate. I also wanted

one with less fillers for him so chose Pure Encapsulations. Here's what their

site says about them:

l-Carnitine Fumarate:

l-Carnitine fumarate promotes healthy fat metabolism, oxygenation of the heart

muscle, and enhances high intensity training much like l-carnitine-l-tartrate.

However, unlike most forms of carnitine, l-carnitine fumarate provides dual

support for energy production and cardiovascular function (7) in addition to

providing a stable form of carnitine. Fumarate is a key compound in the Krebs

cycle, which is the major energy-producing pathway preceding the electron

transport chain. This intimate connection with energy metabolism makes

l-carnitine fumarate an excellent supplement for enhanced muscle and fat

metabolism support.

Acetyl-l-Carnitine:

This acetylated form of l-carnitine is supportive of healthy mental and

cognitive function (8). The acetyl group is needed for acetylcholine synthesis,

a key neurotransmitter for healthy cognitive function, memory, and attention

(8-11). Several clinical trials have reported improved scoring on memory,

attention, verbal, and logic examinations in those volunteers receiving

acetyl-1-carnitine (9-11). Additionally, both the acetyl group and l-carnitine

help promote the generation of energy. The acetyl group can break off and form

acetyl CoA, important for most metabolic pathways in the body, mitochondrial

function, and cell membrane stability (8). Furthermore, investigators found the

supplement to be well tolerated (9-11).

Personally I use Acetyl l-Carnitine when I take EFAs. It really helps me absorb

them better.

Jo

[Guest guest]

Hi Jo!

 

Thanks for such a detailed explanation. As I understand, you didn't do tests for

carnitine, but observed the symptoms, the energy level, was it someting else?

That requires knowledge, please let me express my great respect to you!

Is there any hidden stone with taking it? I mean, in the Andy's book I've read

that when dealing with AAs, you don't want to break their balance. And

supplementing one, we have to monitor it's balance with the competing AA. What

is the carnitine's competing AA? How do you do with this? Maybe I understand it

in a too basic way, please correct me if you think I am wrong?

 

Thanks in advance,

Asem

 

From: detoxhealing <detoxhealing@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Mitochondrial Dysfunction

Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 11:38 AM

 

> > > > Hi Jo,

> > > > Can I ask you why you chose carnitine fumarate (this form of carnitin),

> > and

> > > > what tests did you do for your son's mito condition?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks in advance!

We've used acetyl l-carnitine, l-carnitine and carnitine fumarate. He tolerated

them all, but I felt his muscle tone improved more with fumarate. I also wanted

one with less fillers for him so chose Pure Encapsulations. Here's what their

site says about them:

l-Carnitine Fumarate:

l-Carnitine fumarate promotes healthy fat metabolism, oxygenation of the heart

muscle, and enhances high intensity training much like l-carnitine-l-tartrate.

However, unlike most forms of carnitine, l-carnitine fumarate provides dual

support for energy production and cardiovascular function (7) in addition to

providing a stable form of carnitine. Fumarate is a key compound in the Krebs

cycle, which is the major energy-producing pathway preceding the electron

transport chain. This intimate connection with energy metabolism makes

l-carnitine fumarate an excellent supplement for enhanced muscle and fat

metabolism support.

Acetyl-l-Carnitine:

This acetylated form of l-carnitine is supportive of healthy mental and

cognitive function (8). The acetyl group is needed for acetylcholine synthesis,

a key neurotransmitter for healthy cognitive function, memory, and attention

(8-11). Several clinical trials have reported improved scoring on memory,

attention, verbal, and logic examinations in those volunteers receiving

acetyl-1-carnitine (9-11). Additionally, both the acetyl group and l-carnitine

help promote the generation of energy. The acetyl group can break off and form

acetyl CoA, important for most metabolic pathways in the body, mitochondrial

function, and cell membrane stability (8). Furthermore, investigators found the

supplement to be well tolerated (9-11).

Personally I use Acetyl l-Carnitine when I take EFAs. It really helps me absorb

them better.

Jo