Re: Reaction to No-Fenol?

[Guest guest]

Are you doing any yeast protocol or probiotics? If not, two main components

missing.

I would say yeast. Also are you doing supplements? Epson salt baths?

Tammy

Reaction to No-Fenol?

Hello Everyone,

I wrote earlier about my daughter getting nauseous and vomiting while taking

enzymes containing proteases. On the advice of our DAN! doc, I started

giving her No-Fenol before each meal. We've never been able to rule out

phenol sensitivities cause the area under her eyes is always red/dark,

although the severity comes and goes. No other phenol symptoms.

We're also on SCD. Her diet is very limited. If I give her any fruit she

becomes a fiend and starts to act kinda drunk (slurring speech, short

attention span, worsening eye contact, verbally stimmy...tongue thrust

worst...lots of tongue/lip stimms, lack of focus, bloated belly, gas).

Her diet consists of puréed chicken with cooked carrots, sea salt, water,

olive oil, and home made chicken broth; organic grass-fed ground beef,

prosciutto, and avocados. I recently added squash (butternut and acorn)

because I felt she wasn't getting enough carbs. Blood tests showed low

blood sugar and kidney strain, possibly due to all the protein. The squash

had resulted in the above symptoms but I thought the No-Fenol would address

the yeast as well as the phenols.

Well since starting the No-Fenol and the squash the area under her eyes are

red *and* dark, like a bruise. She's really out of it. All the symptoms

have come back. She's tongue-thrusting, her focus is bad, eye contact bad,

she's talking and singing to herself a lot more than usual, her actions are

repetitive. However, there's no bloating or gas.

Could this be a yeast flare? Die-off? She's also dropping her naps. She

almost passes out in the afternoon but I have to keep her awake to put her

to bed around 8. If I let her nap she's up till 11.

Any thoughts or advice would be great.

Many thanks,

[Guest guest]

> Are you doing any yeast protocol or probiotics? If not, two main

> components missing.

>

> I would say yeast. Also are you doing supplements? Epson salt baths?

>

> Tammy

No yeast protocol. There are so many things to add. We did a biofilm

protocol in April and I used GSE, OoO, and OLE. The OoO was torture for her

and it gave her red checks. Used MCT oil for almost a year and then stopped

caused we thought she might be sensitive to it. Also did Sac Bou for quite a

while.

She takes acidophilus 3 billion CFU once a day. That's it. It's the only

strain that is SCD legal. Been doing almost daily Epsom salt baths for last

few weeks.

Confused on what road to take. Two years into this and I still haven't hit

baseline! Considering GAPS, which allows for other strains of probiodicts

and pushes fermented foods. It's hard to know how to prioritize foods and

supplements. She's been on SCD since October and has been given only a

handful of foods.

Anyway, she's on the following supplements:

Cod Liver Oil

Gi ProHealth Vitamin

Acidophilus

Kirkman Calcium Powder (Hypo allergenic)

Carnitly

Readisorb Glutathione

GPC Glycerophoshocholine

COQ10 (Ubiqidine)

Methylocobalamin

Phosphatidly Serine

And recently added No-Fenol.

Thanks much,

[Guest guest]

> We're also on SCD. Her diet is very limited. If I give her any fruit she

> becomes a fiend and starts to act kinda drunk (slurring speech, short

> attention span, worsening eye contact, verbally stimmy...tongue thrust

> worst...lots of tongue/lip stimms, lack of focus, bloated belly, gas).

Those symptoms can mean intolerance or yeast, or both.

> Her diet consists of puréed chicken with cooked carrots,

Does she do well with the carrots? What happens if you remove them?

>>I recently added squash (butternut and acorn)

> because I felt she wasn't getting enough carbs. Blood tests showed low

> blood sugar and kidney strain, possibly due to all the protein. The squash

> had resulted in the above symptoms but I thought the No-Fenol would address

> the yeast as well as the phenols.

For my son, any carotene foods [orange and green foods, certain red and yellow

foods] caused major problems until I corrected his body's ability to convert

carotenes. No-Fenol did not help this problem.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> I stopped the squash as of last night. She came home from school much

> clearer. I gave her half of a no-fenol and her carrot/chicken puree. The

> symptoms were back. So I'm stopping no-fenol as well. Why couldn't she

> tolerate no-fenol?

It might be the carrot symptoms. My son's symptoms with carotene foods changed

if I gave the foods with No-Fenol. Still negative symptoms, just different with

and without the No-Fenol.

Might have been too much No-Fenol also.

> How did you know that your son couldn't convert carotenes?

I removed all the carotene foods and he dramatically improved.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I would look at Brainchild. Don't remember or have the age of your child,

sorry.

They have a liquid yeast protocol. All in drop forms and all taste good except

for the garlic, at least my guy wouldn't go it.

Enzymes, sorry, not sure what is SCD legal. But getting on a enzymes and doing

a yeast protocol will hopefully do the trick. It all takes time, money and

trials. For a non swallowing capsule child, the Houston chewables did the trick

for my guy. Kirkman labs got chewables. If swallowing capsules, awesome!

Tammy

RE: Reaction to No-Fenol?

> Are you doing any yeast protocol or probiotics? If not, two main

> components missing.

>

> I would say yeast. Also are you doing supplements? Epson salt baths?

>

> Tammy

No yeast protocol. There are so many things to add. We did a biofilm

protocol in April and I used GSE, OoO, and OLE. The OoO was torture for her

and it gave her red checks. Used MCT oil for almost a year and then stopped

caused we thought she might be sensitive to it. Also did Sac Bou for quite a

while.

She takes acidophilus 3 billion CFU once a day. That's it. It's the only

strain that is SCD legal. Been doing almost daily Epsom salt baths for last

few weeks.

Confused on what road to take. Two years into this and I still haven't hit

baseline! Considering GAPS, which allows for other strains of probiodicts

and pushes fermented foods. It's hard to know how to prioritize foods and

supplements. She's been on SCD since October and has been given only a

handful of foods.

Anyway, she's on the following supplements:

Cod Liver Oil

Gi ProHealth Vitamin

Acidophilus

Kirkman Calcium Powder (Hypo allergenic)

Carnitly

Readisorb Glutathione

GPC Glycerophoshocholine

COQ10 (Ubiqidine)

Methylocobalamin

Phosphatidly Serine

And recently added No-Fenol.

Thanks much,

[Guest guest]

My daughter also had trouble with No-Fenol. She just couldn't tolerate it.

I've never been able to figure out why. We stick to the Feingold diet and

use magnesium sulfate cream on a regular basis. We also use Zyme Prime and

AFP Peptizyde.

[Guest guest]

>

> I also have considered a problem with no-fenol. Recently started son on

Trienza and then on no-fenol. Seemed calmer and more present with the enzymes,

but has only had one no-fenol and today his mood is different; more sensory;

also bm was pale looking and fluffy. Haven't seen this before. Is this a liver

issue?

At my house, sensory, pale bm, and fluffy bm meant yeast overgrowth. Try

increasing the yeast protocol, see if that helps.

Dana