calcium

January 15, 2003

Hi Art,

If you add sodium phosphate to it (organic sodium) you should experience much

better results. Sodium phosphate needs to be present in our synovial fluid to

truly assimilate the calcium ( and carry it where it needs to go). It is also

highly valuable to your stomach lining to encourage proper amounts of stomach

acid. My favorite whole food sources for this wonderful and most necessary

constituent are: celery (5 ribs daily, eaten or juiced) and/OR 1 heaping

teaspoon Capra Mineral Whey ( Made entirely from dehydrated goat whey) by Mount

Capra products.

Darla

Art Brown <abrown101@...> wrote:Interesting tip Darla - - - thanks.

I've tried hydroxyapatite in hard-packed

pill form before without much luck, but never the powdered form. Am going to

try it.

I do know some people have experienced bad reactions to certain filler

agents used in the tablet manufacturing processes, not the active

ingredients themselves. The fillers keep the tablets from falling apart in

the bottle.

A few years ago I tried a certain brand of vitamin C in tablet form and

broke out in horrible red blotches all over the lower half of my body. I

thought I was allergic to vitamin C. A pharmacist friend (Now deceased due

to brain cancer, R.I.P.) told me about the common filler reaction problem.

- Art

Re: [ ] re: Calcium

>

> Art,

> I have had marvelous results with Bone Meal Calcium (also known as

hydroxyapatite), also available by Kal in a powdered form. I have found this

to be the very best assimilated calcium. Our bodies recognize it and know

where to put it.

> Darla

> Art Brown <abrown101@...> wrote:Hi to all -

>

> For those calcium freaks (like myself) ever on the lookout for a good,

high

> quality, absorbable form of this absolutely essential mineral, I recently

> stumbled across Crystal Calcium from the KAL company. (KAL was founded in

> 1932.)

>

> Hard to contain my enthusiasm here! The importance of calcium's ability to

> alkalinize in cancer care is established. Not to mention the hundreds of

> other roles it has in the body.

>

> CC is a ready-to-go pre-ionized form of calcium. So, the body doesn't need

> to work at breaking down supplements like calcium carbonate in the stomach

> trying to pry out the calcium ion. I know this is a signifigant problem

with

> many people - especially me. A loose white powder, it disappears in a

glass

> of water. Talk about bang for the buck, would you believe just $12 for

2/3

> of a pound?!

>

> Personal experience alone, but results were noticed immediately. Best

stuff

> I've found in 20 years.

>

> - Art

>

February 5, 2003

> hello, I was wondering.... is there anyone here who doesn't

eat/drink dairy?

> If so, what do you do to get your calcium, especially since we

can't have some of the dark leafy veggies that are rich in calcium.

I'm drinking rice milk which has some, but I used to eat a lot of

yogurt and that's where I got most of my calcium. I'm concerned

because I'm nursing - I also have to make sure I get enough B12.

thanks for any imput

>

I've never used milk and in the last while have cut out other diary

(cheese, butter, yogurt). I think this 'where do I get my calcium?'

is a bit of a media hyped myth. If you are eating well - you don't

need calcium suppliments. However, a lot of processed foods can

deplete calcium - as well as, caffeine, soda pop, heavy meat eating,

salt, too much fiber, too much protein. There's no evidence that milk

is a good source of calcium (or good for much of anyhting else!).

Sources of calcium:

Sesame seeds, almonds (try almond milk), hazlenuts, sunflower seeds,

walnuts - try any of the nut butters (sesame butter, almond butter

etc...). The bones in canned fish - salmon and sardines are high

sources of calcium.

February 9, 2003

In a message dated 2/9/2003 11:14:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,

angelwind@... writes:

<< The medicine " cocktail " is my only resource for now until I can either

find a practioner that can help me or I can become knowledgeable enough to

help myself. >>

I would really look for a good brand of minerals at your HFS (not just

calcium--the latest darling mineral) to take daily. I believe that our

bodies need a variety of minerals that are missing in our daily diets. My

chronic neck pain virtually disappeared but will come back if I forget to

take my minerals after a couple of weeks.

February 9, 2003

In a message dated 2/9/2003 11:41:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,

exlibris@... writes:

<< Debbie - you might try Frances's Seaweed broth. >>

I use this and it's wonderful. Also, it is very filling and has helped me

lose weight.

Max

February 9, 2003

Debbie - you might try Frances's Seaweed broth. I haven't made it yet, but it

sounds like it is a great source of calcium and energy. She posts on the

non-secretor list and it will be in their archives. If it isn't, let me know

and I will e-mail it to you privately. The name of the group is -NS.

Kate

calcium

Altho I am not happy about being on synthroid and lexapro, at the moment its

all I have and it sure beats the symptoms I had w/o medication. I do not have an

alternative healer here in my area, I wish I did, So I try to read and make

myself knowledgeable about how I can help myself. I know I am weak in my back

and hips because I had a bone density tests that measures the strength. The

medicine " cocktail " is my only resource for now until I can either find a

practioner that can help me or I can become knowledgeable enough to help myself.

The Hashimotos disease is nothing to play around with, it can have serious side

effects, so I feel for now, I have no choice but to take the medication. I did

go on the Dadamo meathod of eating, and some things have improved. I am still

striving tho for better health with safer alternative medication, so all your

answers are very appreciated.

Debbie

February 9, 2003

I can't even try to relate to your situation since every medication

i've ever taken since whenever has created even worse side effects

(excluding nitrogen oxide though). I'm glad it's workin for your

benefit. BTW, measuring bone density is a new technology ain't it?

You might want to read this tidbit(ask doc about it):

http://www.superslow.com/articles/es13h.html

jb(but i'll always throw in Dr. Sarno's book when I hear about back

probs)

> Altho I am not happy about being on synthroid and lexapro, at the

moment its all I have and it sure beats the symptoms I had w/o

medication. I do not have an alternative healer here in my area, I

wish I did, So I try to read and make myself knowledgeable about how

I can help myself. I know I am weak in my back and hips because I had

a bone density tests that measures the strength. The

medicine " cocktail " is my only resource for now until I can either

find a practioner that can help me or I can become knowledgeable

enough to help myself. The Hashimotos disease is nothing to play

around with, it can have serious side effects, so I feel for now, I

have no choice but to take the medication. I did go on the Dadamo

meathod of eating, and some things have improved. I am still striving

tho for better health with safer alternative medication, so all your

answers are very appreciated.

> Debbie

>

April 26, 2003

I did go to their site.........like Sue suggested. The metal is being

removed through heating which they do......as long as it is an HTN product.

So you don't have to worry about taking in this metal, with the HTN product.

You might want to research Calcium Citrate.........it may do the same and is

not as expensive.

I just searched the ACMN (American College for Advancement in

Medicine)......... looking for both Dr. Barefoot and

Dr. Bernnart .........and couldn't find either name. Maybe I'm looking in

the wrong state.

http://acam.org/

Conniek nwnj

When our bodies & minds are out of balance...........we suffer!

May 1, 2003

Hi Marty,

Yet the link takes us to a page referring to " CellMend " ?

What's it to be " CelMend " ? " CellMend " ? " Celmend " ? Cellmend " ?

Just having a chuckle of a dig at you...

The product given, ie., " CellMend " has only 100mg of

Calcium D-Glucarate, along with all the other stuff. So,

I guess we're back to the old guessing game -- what's

better 1000-2000mg daily as recommended initially, or

the 200mg daily synergetic formulation proposed at the

site given in your post.

Cheers - Les Catterall

Deering wrote:

>

> Hey Art.

> I like a supplement which contains calcium

> d-glucarate. I normally purchase it from Vitamin

> Research Products but I just found another supplier

> that actually provides it at a discount price. Its

> called CelMend (not to be confused with Cellmend).

> Here is the link for the product description. It is

> categorized as an antimutagenic. Besides calcium

> d-glucarate, it also contains resveratrol, ellagic

> acid, and green tea extract.

> http://www.1to1vitamins.com/products/10981.html

>

> Talk to ya soon.

> Marty

> --- Art Brown <abrown101@...> wrote:

> > Hi everyone -

> >

> > For those interested in calcium and cancer (never

> > mind Bob Barefoot for a

> > minute), for the last two years I have consistently

> > run into one typeof

> > calcium supplement mentioned in regard to cancer:

> > Calcium D-Glucarate.

> >

> > In fact, just got promotional mailer from Dr.

> > Sinatra (no not

> > ), an MD in New England who publishes a combo

> > alternative/conventional

> > health newsletter read by thousands. Have known

> > about him for some time now.

> >

> > Anyhow he really came on strong this time about the

> > importantance of this

> > form of calcium. Seems it enhances the activity of a

> > substance in the liver

> > called glucuronic acid. GA's role is to detoxifies

> > many cancer causing

> > compounds. In out day and time, it is overwhelmed

> > with modern processed

> > diets and the thousands of toxins in our air, food

> > and water.

> >

> > Calcium D-Glucarate, he claims, is definitely

> > effective as both a

> > preventative and a therapy. Dosages: 500mg/day for

> > prevention, 1,000 - 2,000

> > mg/day for combating cancer.

> >

> > - Art

May 7, 2003

Calcium is popular now, but almost everyone is short in Magnesium. They need to

be in a balance. Maybe 1/3 Mg to 1 part Ca.

Loren

Re: [ ] re: Calcium

Art,

I have had marvelous results with Bone Meal Calcium (also known as

hydroxyapatite), also available by Kal in a powdered form. I have found this to

be the very best assimilated calcium. Our bodies recognize it and know where to

put it.

Darla

Art Brown <abrown101@...> wrote:Hi to all -

For those calcium freaks (like myself) ever on the lookout for a good, high

quality, absorbable form of this absolutely essential mineral, I recently

stumbled across Crystal Calcium from the KAL company. (KAL was founded in

1932.)

Hard to contain my enthusiasm here! The importance of calcium's ability to

alkalinize in cancer care is established. Not to mention the hundreds of

other roles it has in the body.

CC is a ready-to-go pre-ionized form of calcium. So, the body doesn't need

to work at breaking down supplements like calcium carbonate in the stomach

trying to pry out the calcium ion. I know this is a signifigant problem with

many people - especially me. A loose white powder, it disappears in a glass

of water. Talk about bang for the buck, would you believe just $12 for 2/3

of a pound?!

Personal experience alone, but results were noticed immediately. Best stuff

I've found in 20 years.

- Art

June 5, 2003

Lately I've forgotten to remind newly-diagnosed people that you and your doctor absolutely must discuss the effect of Prednisone on your bones. You may need calcium supplements with Vitamin D and/or a drug such as Fosamax. A calcium-rich diet and weight-bearing exercise is extremely useful. Ask about a bone density scan. Remember that, although you need plenty of calcium with Prednisone, excessive calcium intake can also be harmful.

Harper

June 6, 2003

ditto

Thanks Harper,

I didn't know this and by the time I was 40 I had borderline osteoporosis. Nine years later I have made some gains but not without daily 1200mg calcium and 400mg Vit D. My Dr. advocates Tums for my calcium.

Patty

-----Original Message-----From: flatcat9@... [mailto:flatcat9@...] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Calcium

Lately I've forgotten to remind newly-diagnosed people that you and your doctor absolutely must discuss the effect of Prednisone on your bones. You may need calcium supplements with Vitamin D and/or a drug such as Fosamax. A calcium-rich diet and weight-bearing exercise is extremely useful. Ask about a bone density scan. Remember that, although you need plenty of calcium with Prednisone, excessive calcium intake can also be harmful.Harper

June 6, 2003

I went from being way up off the top of the graph for my age (bones of a 25 year

old) on my bone densometry down

into the low range of Osteopenio in one year after beginning the Pred. This was

with 1500 mg of calcium and VitD

and Mag. I have been on Actonel, the newer generation of the same thing as

Fosomax, and in one year I went back up

into the average of normal (the bones of a 50 year old). My whole mother's

side of the family has Osteo and that is

just one more thing I did not need. I'm about to turn 57 by the way so... My

mother was diagnosed with severe

Osteoporosis two years ago and after two years on Actonel she is half way back

up out of full Osteo to Osteopineo

range. (for a 75 year old woman).

June 7, 2003

Hi!

This is my experience with calcium. When I was first sent to the tx center, a dietician who specializes in transplant nutrition, went over what I was eating and what I needed to make sure I ate to keep my body okay for tx. She had me add an extra-strength Tums to my regimen so I would get enough calcium - 1500mg daily. When I added Aciphex I was switched to over the counter calcium products with vit D - 600 mg calcium, 200 vit D in each tablet, 2x daily along with my other intake of milk, etc. She recommended certain product names because the absorbtion was much better but I can't remember them all - I use Caltrate, a pharmacist may know which ones work the best.

My bone density scan was normal a year after starting prednisone so I figured it must help.

Amy

June 8, 2003

I read an article about a year ago about calcium supps. It was a

study done by the Good Housekeeping people. They said oyster shell

calcium is best as we will 'use' more of it than other sources. It

rated calcium supps by name too. I only remember the top two,

sorry. #1 was OsCal, and #2 was Safeways oyster shell calcium - the

cheap version of OsCal. My pharmacist agreed with the study, and

suggested I just go for the old generic Safeway one. It also has

Vit. D for better absorp - calcium needs it to be absorbed.

Carole

July 20, 2003

Just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents worth on calcium. Because the gastric

bypass I had for weight loss can cause some malabsorption, I must take a

vitamin B-12 supplement weekly (1200 mcg sublingually each week) and a

multivitamin and calcium supplement daily. I take 3 Viactiv chews daily.

they have 500 mg of calcium and vit D and K. I don't remember how much on

the D and K and am too lazy to go look at the box right now! I was already

taking 2 viactivs a day prior to finding out about the liver disease. My

rheumy told me to take 3 viactiv daily after we found out about AIH and I

had to go on prednisone. I had a bone density study done in Feb (a month

after the AIH diagnosis). My bone density was great at that time. My

rheumy says the goal is to keep it great. The viactive chews taste just

like candy. The only kind I've had are chocolate but have been told they

are all good. I get mine at Costco. 120 is $10.89. For me that is a 40

day supply but for most people, 2 viactiv daily should do. At Wal-mart a

box of 60 is about $6.85. I was taking a Centrum multi-vitamin daily but

got tired of taking so many big pills so I finally found a chewable kids

vitamin that I actually like the taste of. It's the sundowner brand at

Wal-Mart. I take 3 daily.

Oh, my rheumy said to make sure the viactiv (or any calcium supplement) is

taken with food because you will absorb it better. Also, don't take more

than one at a time because you body can only use so much calcium at one time

and the rest won't be absorbed. I just set 3 chews on the kitchen counter

each morning and take them through the day as I think about it.

W

June 29, 2004

From: " JOSEPH CASTRONOVO " >

[Leonard wrote]

> > Calcium CAN promote cancer growth, and large amounts tend to be

> > particularly problematic.

>

> That's a powerful statement and I have no evidence to the contrary.

> However, without being contentious, I should like a source or two

that

> reflect that. One of the lessons I've tried to adhere to is

learning the

> source of information.

>

> Learning is what we need to do so teach.

I agree completely.

This is all I have:

Gerson stated that calcium compound has caused rapid incurable

regrowths of cured osteosarcomas. " Calcium can stimulate certain kinds

of cancer, like breast cancer " www.dfhi.com/interviews/gonzalez.html;

" reduc[ing] calcium intake may significantly lower the chances of

[prostate] cancer progressin " www.hsibaltimore.com/hsiindex.shtml

e-alert 3/16/04;

I've heard other mixed things about it. suggest that it's

best for most sympathetic-dominants NOT to take calcium (I imagine

because it greatly stimulates the sympathetic nervous system). If I

had cancer (other than leukemia, lymphoma, melanoma, myeloma), I would

NOT take calcium supplements unless advised by a practitioner. Natural

(and excellent) sources of calcium include shark cartilage (which

contains a HUGE amount of calcium; [i believe] bovine cartilage does

not), carrot juice, greens/green vegetables (lima beans, dandelion,

raw collards, kale), cabbage, grapes/raisins, dried apricot, almonds,

bee pollen, Alaskan salmon, & sardines. I would NOT use coral calcium

.. LOWERING calcium reduces bone pain.

June 29, 2004

I don't think Calcium is so important to me to risk going against these

suppositions.

I think I'll simply avoid it and stick to the more natural sources as they

have it.

Thanks,

Joe C.

June 29, 2004

Leonard,

I tried the links, no go? I would love to put that on breastcancernewsnand

views as my ono has me taking a LOT of calcium, which I never took before,

only took magnesium.

Lona

If you are searching desperately for the meaning of life, try the floor of

my car, because there's a lot of crap down there.

http://tahomagirl.com

> From: " JOSEPH CASTRONOVO " >

>

> [Leonard wrote]

> > > Calcium CAN promote cancer growth, and large amounts tend to be

> > > particularly problematic.

> >

> > Learning is what we need to do so teach.

> I agree completely.

> This is all I have:

> Gerson stated that calcium compound has caused rapid incurable

> regrowths of cured osteosarcomas. " Calcium can stimulate certain kinds

> of cancer, like breast cancer " www.dfhi.com/interviews/gonzalez.html;

> " reduc[ing] calcium intake may significantly lower the chances of

> [prostate] cancer progressin " www.hsibaltimore.com/hsiindex.shtml

> e-alert 3/16/04;

> I've heard other mixed things about it. suggest that it's

> best for most sympathetic-dominants NOT to take calcium (I imagine

> because it greatly stimulates the sympathetic nervous system). If I

> had cancer (other than leukemia, lymphoma, melanoma, myeloma), I would

> NOT take calcium supplements unless advised by a practitioner. Natural

> (and excellent) sources of calcium include shark cartilage (which

> contains a HUGE amount of calcium; [i believe] bovine cartilage does

> not), carrot juice, greens/green vegetables (lima beans, dandelion,

> raw collards, kale), cabbage, grapes/raisins, dried apricot, almonds,

> bee pollen, Alaskan salmon, & sardines. I would NOT use coral calcium

> . LOWERING calcium reduces bone pain.

>

October 29, 2004

I take bone meal that is derived from a calcium phosphate source....it is more

natural and has magnesium in it to help it get utilized....it's Atrium brand and

is called Bone 350 Plus....it works really great but I found that you can get

all the calcium possible and it may not get to where it needs to go without

enough sodium in your system....the natural sodium from celery for example not

the kind from salt....my calcium was going into my muscles causing fibromyalgia

pain before I started eating enough celery which is 4 o 5 stalks a day.....as

far as the friend who has foot problems I was told it is about the same as a

shoulder problem from an industrial accident I had....after an injury there is

less circulation and toxins end up accumulating there and even some calcium

begins depositing that doesn't have enough magnesium and sodium to get to where

it should and needs to go....that causes even more circulation problems....that

causes pain and weakness in those areas....I was told

to massage the areas....eat my celery daily, drink lots of water to help the

cleansing process and in time it would help clear out the area....I can tell

it's starting to work but it does take time....the massage helps loosen and work

out the toxins even though it feels like torture at the time.....and it also get

the circulation going again.....Quigong also helps with those things....

Anne

Maddviking@... wrote:

I have a friend who has been told that he has permanent damage to his foot

from playing professional baseball and from jumping off of ships and trucks in

his work environment. Of course, the doctors sent him on his way with pain

pills. Nothing broken or malformed. I told him to start taking a lot of

calcium.

I know we had a long discussion about this but I don't remember which type

of calcium was the most recommended. Did we mostly agree on calcium citrate?

Any other ideas on what he can do to improve his foot?

October 29, 2004

Bone meal is a cooked, sterilized bone and that makes it inorganic and less

absorbable. You might check into Microcrystaline Hydroxyapatite which is

freeze-dried to sterilize and much more absorbable.

Ethical Nutrients -- Bone Calcium (top of the line)

Now -- Bone Strength (good)

are a couple examples.

Kathy

Anne Crow <annecrow925@...> wrote: