calcium

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Hi there Joe

I take a carol calcium supreme and with that I take a cod liver oil which has a

natural vit A and D which helps absorb calcium.

for any calcium to be absorbed you need to have a perfect Calcium to Magnesium

ratio at two to one, plus Vitamin D. These elements contribute to optimal

Calcium absorbtion.

Odette

" ph T. wrote:

What is the best calcium to get that the body can

absorb the best? Sources?

Joe

[Guest guest]

Careful with calcium... too much or the wrong type leads to clogging of

the arteries and the resulting hospital treatments while they

roto-rooter the arteries... Been there. My cardio MD said that men

should almost NEVER take calcium, a 1/2 hamburger a week was plenty.

Dave

ph T. wrote:

> What is the best calcium to get that the body can

> absorb the best? Sources?

> Joe

>

>

[Guest guest]

Replace your cardio man. Calcium CITRATE is the most absorbable but must be

used in conjunction with magnesium CITRATE (most absorbable kind) and

vitamin D3. Without the mag and D3, calcium when taken as a supplement will

actually pull mag and D out of bones and cause some real problems. With

proper balance, everyone (men also) can benefit from calcium

supplementation.

Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D.

Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc.

http://www.survivecancer.net

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is

not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered,

it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices

with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always

perseveres. 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV

Re: [ ] Calcium

Careful with calcium... too much or the wrong type leads to clogging of

the arteries and the resulting hospital treatments while they

roto-rooter the arteries... Been there. My cardio MD said that men

should almost NEVER take calcium, a 1/2 hamburger a week was plenty.

Dave

[Guest guest]

Bruce - he wasn't too nuts about the chelation I chose, either..

Thanks, Dave

Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. wrote:

> Replace your cardio man. Calcium CITRATE is the most absorbable but must be

> used in conjunction with magnesium CITRATE (most absorbable kind) and

> vitamin D3. Without the mag and D3, calcium when taken as a supplement will

> actually pull mag and D out of bones and cause some real problems. With

> proper balance, everyone (men also) can benefit from calcium

> supplementation.

[Guest guest]

From: " Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. " <bruce@...>

> Calcium CITRATE is the most absorbable but must be

> used in conjunction with magnesium CITRATE (most absorbable kind) and

> vitamin D3.

I agree.

> With proper balance, everyone (men also) can benefit from calcium

> supplementation.

I wouldn't go that far.

Here are my notes on calcium (for cancer patients):

Don't take if you have bone mets. " Calcium can stimulate certain kinds of

cancer, like breast cancer " (); " reduc[ing] calcium intake may

significantly lower the chances of [prostate] cancer progressing " ;

I've heard other mixed things about it. suggest that it's best for

most sympathetic-dominants (which most cancer patients are) NOT to take

calcium (I imagine because it greatly stimulates the sympathetic nervous

system). If I had cancer (other than leukemia, lymphoma, melanoma, myeloma),

I would NOT take calcium supplements unless advised by a practitioner.

Natural (and excellent) sources of calcium include shark cartilage (which

contains a HUGE amount of calcium; [i believe] bovine cartilage does not),

carrot juice, greens/green vegetables (lima beans, dandelion, collards,

kale), cabbage, grapes/raisins, apricot, almonds, bee pollen, Alaskan

salmon, & sardines. I would NOT use coral calcium . LOWERING calcium reduces

bone pain.

" If you do not get sunlight definitely do not take calcium "

www.westonaprice.org/vitamins/nutrition_vitaminD.html

[Guest guest]

Had heard mixed stuff about this before, but not spent a lot of time

researching. Personally had taken calcium as my levels were extremely low.

Was looking at from a general perspective and not from cancer perspective.

Strange, being this is a board about cancer. Will add you notes to my

notes.

Thanks,

Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D.

Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc.

http://www.survivecancer.net

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is

not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered,

it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices

with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always

perseveres. 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV

Re: [ ] Calcium

From: " Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. " <bruce@...>

> Calcium CITRATE is the most absorbable but must be

> used in conjunction with magnesium CITRATE (most absorbable kind) and

> vitamin D3.

I agree.

> With proper balance, everyone (men also) can benefit from calcium

> supplementation.

I wouldn't go that far.

Here are my notes on calcium (for cancer patients):

Don't take if you have bone mets. " Calcium can stimulate certain kinds of

cancer, like breast cancer " (); " reduc[ing] calcium intake may

significantly lower the chances of [prostate] cancer progressing " ;

I've heard other mixed things about it. suggest that it's best for

most sympathetic-dominants (which most cancer patients are) NOT to take

calcium (I imagine because it greatly stimulates the sympathetic nervous

system). If I had cancer (other than leukemia, lymphoma, melanoma, myeloma),

I would NOT take calcium supplements unless advised by a practitioner.

Natural (and excellent) sources of calcium include shark cartilage (which

contains a HUGE amount of calcium; [i believe] bovine cartilage does not),

carrot juice, greens/green vegetables (lima beans, dandelion, collards,

kale), cabbage, grapes/raisins, apricot, almonds, bee pollen, Alaskan

salmon, & sardines. I would NOT use coral calcium . LOWERING calcium reduces

bone pain.

" If you do not get sunlight definitely do not take calcium "

www.westonaprice.org/vitamins/nutrition_vitaminD.html

[Guest guest]

I have been leary of calcium after reading a cautionary note about it, with

the theory that cancer develops a lot like a growing placenta and calcium

promotes growth. Believe if necessary, a balance of magnesium definitely would

be good. Thanks for the info about the citrate being the best source. I am

not supplementing with it except in the form of fresh veggies and plus too

the supplments have only caused me joint pain. Donna

[Guest guest]

Hi.

Other than coral calcium possibly containing undesirable minerals,

such as lead, why not take coral calcium?

Spring water may also contain undesirable minerals ... which is why I

had chosen distilled water, notwithstanding the plastic containers ...

Thanks!

Leonard wrote:

I would NOT use coral calcium .

[Guest guest]

Bee,

My mom has osteoporosis and I am taking 1000mg a day to prevent this from

happing to me. Do you still think it is too much calcium considering the

family history?

Shirley

>From: " Bee Wilder " <beeisbuzzing2003@...>

>==>When a person takes too much calcium it is much worse for them

>than taking too little. I know that almost everyone 'out there'

>recommend 1,000 - 1,400 mgs. of calcium per day, but they don't

>understand about diet and how important other minerals are.

[Guest guest]

Shirley wrote:

>

> Bee, My mom has osteoporosis and I am taking 1000mg a day to prevent

this from happening to me. Do you still think it is too much calcium

considering the family history?

==>Yes, it is way too much, especially since you are on the diet with

plenty of protein and good fats. In fact, too much calcium without

enough magnesium is probably causing more osteoporosis than it helps.

I have osteoporosis too, diagnosed in 1994. Within 2 years I turned it

around by taking calcium with 1/2 magnesium, but I probably only

averaged about 600 mgs. per day. But my 2nd bone scan showed I had

improved it from 45% loss to 15% loss. I won't ever have another bone

scan, but remember I don't have a thyroid either, which is involved in

the utilization of calcium in the body.

==>The most important things for preventing osteoporosis are enough

proteins, high " good " fats, minerals (ocean sea salt or good water),

and not too much cal/mag, and always in balance. I even take more mag

than calcium now - I take 125 mg of calcium and 450 mg of magnesium. I

think as your body changes over the bad fats from vegetable oils to

good fats and gets enough animal protein you will need less calcium.

Like I suggested to Debra read the article on Stefansson's all meat and

fats diet experiment at: http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm. He

diwasn't short on calcium or vitamin C and the doctors and hospital did

every kind of test you can imagine to try and prove he was lacking

something or deteriorated on his diet, to no avail. He maintained his

health and his friend, who also did the experiment, had his health

improve greatly.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bee, I will cut my tablets in half until I run out, then I will try

Null's.

Shirley

>Shirley wrote:

> >

> > Bee, My mom has osteoporosis and I am taking 1000mg a day to prevent

>this from happening to me. Do you still think it is too much calcium

>considering the family history?

>

>==>Yes, it is way too much, especially since you are on the diet with

>plenty of protein and good fats. In fact, too much calcium without

>enough magnesium is probably causing more osteoporosis than it helps.

>I have osteoporosis too, diagnosed in 1994. Within 2 years I turned it

>around by taking calcium with 1/2 magnesium, but I probably only

>averaged about 600 mgs. per day. But my 2nd bone scan showed I had

>improved it from 45% loss to 15% loss. I won't ever have another bone

>scan, but remember I don't have a thyroid either, which is involved in

>the utilization of calcium in the body.

>Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks Bee, I will cut my tablets in half until I run out, then I

will try Null's.

==>What do you mean " try Null's? "

Bee

[Guest guest]

I thought the brand name Null's was recommended due to the balanced

cal/mag?

>From: " Bee Wilder " <beeisbuzzing2003@...>

>==>What do you mean " try Null's? "

>

>Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi again, Canary,

Well, I cannot speak for others, but in my personal health situation, I need

loads of calcium. I have not experienced any problems so far with kidney

stones. And, yes, if you do not need the calcium, there are potential side

effects. I believe it can knock out your parathyroid glands, for one thing.

I had osteoporosis when I was first dxed with celiac disease. Also, I had

lymphatic and adrenal dysfunctions, both of which are dependent on calcium to

function. I believe (someone correct me if I am wrong) that particular toxin

problems also use up alot of calcium. Also, in MY case, the site at which

calcium is extracted from the small intestine into the blood stream was damaged.

So this was and is still probably a large reason for which I need more calcium

than most people. The gut can regenerate in most cases, but some celiacs (and

some ppl with leaky gut syndromes) do not ever get full healing. It has been

suggested by doctors that I am one of those, tho I do not count that as the last

word on the subject. And certainly I have not decided to give up without a

fight. This is only meaningful to you, tho, if you are one of those with a

leaky gut syndrome. Tho, there are various other illnesses which probably also

require more calcium intake.

Hope this answers your questions,

Diane aka Evie

canaryyuk <canary65@...> wrote:

oh, and i meant to say, Evie, you say you take loads of calcium,

someone else said the same thing. why do you take loads of calcium?

And what about the kidney stone thing? Are there other potential

side effects of too much calcium?

cheers

j

> >

> > > can anyone recommend a good multi-mineral?

> >

> > I find that most of the multi-mineral and multi-vitamin

supplements

> > don't have any benefits, and may actually be harmful. The reason

> > is that most of the ingredients are derived from non-food sources

> > (some are even derived from coal, I believe!), and the body

instead

> > treats them as toxic substances that need eliminating from the

body.

> >

> > Here is a webpage that shares my opinion:

> >

> > http://www.allnaturalvitamins.net/

> >

> > So my suggestion would be to get your minerals from actual foods,

> > or supplements whose only ingredients are foods.

> >

> > Vitamineral Green is something that I have taken, although since

> > it has Spirulina in it and other superfoods, it may be too much

> > of a good thing:

> >

> > http://www.healthforce.com/vitamineral_green.htm

> >

> > Seasilver is pretty good, too.

> >

> > Standard Process makes a variety of supplements that are derived

> > from whole foods -- Catalyn is their general-purpose, multi-

vitamin

> > & multi-mineral supplements. The only problem with this brand

> > is that they try to restrict sales to doctors, which makes it

> > hard for the consumer to get it on their own. However, there

> > are a few places on the Internet where you can find pharmacies

> > and doctors violating the manufacturers desires and selling it to

> > the public (I buy mine from RiteCare.com).

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

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wrote:

>

> Hi Bee, I want to buy calcium for my mom from Natural Factor. She

does not eat egg shells for calcium. which kind do you recommend? how

many mg? Should I get calcium/Mag together?

==>It is better to get cal/mag separately in order to regulate their

amounts better individually. She should start on 300 mg twice a day of

each, and sometimes she may need more maganesium. Jaw symptoms are

mostly caused by a lack of magnesium, but cal and mag need to be taken

together because taking each separately will deplete the other in the

body. She also need other co-factors of cal/mag, including phosphorus

(from meats & eggs), and vitamin D, vitamin A, omega 3, vitamin E, as

recommended for candida, and a good balanced diet along with ocean sea

salt (for minerals and sodium and chloride), etc. in order to absorb

and utilize cal/mag.

Bee

[Guest guest]

wrote:

>

> Hi Bee, Is it ok to eat the grinded up egg shells as it is ? If

lemon juice is not available, is it just as good soaking it with

water? I am taking 1/2 teaspoon daily with 300 mg of magnesium before

bed time. Is it sufficient?

==>The eggshell will be quite gritty, but it is okay to take it that

way too without soaking it in lemon juice. Yes 1/2 tsp. is fine.

>

> Which is better egg shells or calcium from Natural factor?

==>IMO eggshells are better because they also contain other nutrients.

>

> Would wearing a mouth guard help to prevent the wearing down of the

> teeth from teeth grinding?

==>It probably would help but find out what they are made of because

you could be absorbing stuff from them that are unhealthy.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Pat,

Bee answered this question within the last week or so. She said yes

you can take it powdered but that it is gritty. Use the group's

website search function to search the archived messages for her exact

words.

jackie

>

> Is the lemon important in the egg shell calcium or can the eggshell be

> consumed just plain (powdered)?

> Thank you

> Pat Brogan

>

[Guest guest]

Pat wrote:

>

> Is the lemon important in the egg shell calcium or can the eggshell

be consumed just plain (powdered)?

==>You can consume it plain, but it is gritty. We found that even

soaking it in lemon juice for 3 hours doesn't dissolve it, and I

haven't experimented to find out how long it takes. I just take it

gritty. It won't hurt you at all.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Do you know anybody that does 'applied kinesiology' (muscle testing)? If not

call around to find a chiropractor that does. I work for a chiropractor

that does muscle testing. Last week, a patient of ours came in with a few

different kinds of calcium. Her body didn't want any of the kinds with " ate "

at the end, her body only wanted regular calcium. I'm not saying that your

body would be the same, but wouldn't you like to know what your body wanted,

rather than guessing?

Have a good day,

Midge

-- Calcium

I've been told that calcium oratate is the best for absorbtion, with of

course, magnesium oratate. ... and vitamin D

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Yes I had muscle testing on 4 kinds of calcium. Citrate, carbonate,coral and

oratate. The only one I passed strong was oratate..... of course this was the

only brand this practioner was selling.... do you think she was cheating? Cal

oratate is expensive. It's Atrium brand. check out the prices on the internet.

not of the health food stores carry it cuz it's so expensive.

Midge Dempsey <midge130@...> wrote: Do you know anybody that does 'applied

kinesiology' (muscle testing)? If not

call around to find a chiropractor that does. I work for a chiropractor

that does muscle testing. Last week, a patient of ours came in with a few

different kinds of calcium. Her body didn't want any of the kinds with " ate "

at the end, her body only wanted regular calcium. I'm not saying that your

body would be the same, but wouldn't you like to know what your body wanted,

rather than guessing?

Have a good day,

Midge

-- Calcium

I've been told that calcium oratate is the best for absorbtion, with of

course, magnesium oratate. ... and vitamin D

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Calcium phosphate is very well absorbed. It also happens to be one of the 12

tissue salts

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Calcium

I've been told that calcium oratate is the best for absorbtion, with of

course, magnesium oratate. ... and vitamin D

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Well, it's hard to say if she was cheating. Was she saying everything out

loud for you to hear? Did she test you for percentages? For example: for

viral infections we test people to silver and lysine. This person may test

40% helpful to silver, but 90% helpful to lysine. So we say that they'll

both help, but lysine will be more helpful. Understand? You could always be

tested by someone else. Do you live in Michigan? I don't know how else to

help you. Do you know where your thymus gland is? It's between the breast

but up 3 inches. This is how to test yourself: put anything (vitamin,

mineral, medicine) here at the thymus, if you gravitate forward, your body

WAnts it. If you gravitate backwards, your body doesn't want it. Or you can

do this for 'how much'. Take, let's say, lysine, put it up to you and you

gravitate forward. So take another. Test yourself again, as long as you keep

going forward, your body wants more. This just doesn't give the percent at

which it's helping you.

Go here: http://WWW.geocities.Com/sunmoonessences/muscle.HTML

Or here: http://WWW.truthquest2.Com/kinesiologytesting.htm

And you can self-test yourself. Just search it.

Hope this helps! Feel free to ask more questions.

Midge

-- Re: Calcium

Yes I had muscle testing on 4 kinds of calcium. Citrate, carbonate,coral and

oratate. The only one I passed strong was oratate..... of course this was

the only brand this practioner was selling.... do you think she was

cheating? Cal oratate is expensive. It's Atrium brand. check out the prices

on the internet. not of the health food stores carry it cuz it's so

expensive.

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[Guest guest]

I have read that Vit-K-2 is needed to keep the calcium

in the bones. Otherwise it goes to arteries and cause

calcifications. Best source of K-2 is Natto or some

of K-2 supplements called Nattokinase. Not all

Nattokinase supplements are the same and as effective

as others.

I also read that Moringa Oleifera and White Mulberry

leaves can decrease arterial calcifications.

[Guest guest]

> Hi Dana,

> What did you do to improve absorption of calcium?

Added magnesium, vitamin D, vitamin K, and lysine.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dana. I'm taking K2 and D. I have taken magnesium and take lysine prn.

S S

Re: calcium

Posted by: " danasview " danasview@... danasview

Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:28 pm (PST)

> Hi Dana,

> What did you do to improve absorption of calcium?

Added magnesium, vitamin D, vitamin K, and lysine.

Dana

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