Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 what i got from the btvc book which goes into more detail on how to use the diet, and is what the gaps diet is based off of the only difference being no dairy. what that book said is people with yeast problems need to cut their honey consumption 75% and no dried fruit. also there's stages to what foods you can eat and the most advanced stage is dried fruit, peanuts, beans and cashews. you should not eat any of these until there's been a lot of gut healing. what we do is i substitute stevia for half my honey. also you can leave the honey out in some pancake recipes as well as muffin recipes. if you haven't all ready check out pecanbread.com there's a section for treating yeast over growth. hope that helps sam > I have read GAPS and SCD and am confused b/c the recommended foods are > so high in sugar (as honey and dried fruit). Both books point out > that people with GAPS tend to have an overrun of candida albicans, so > it would seem that foods with a lot of honey/fruit is not advised. > > However, w/o grains and dairy, there isn't a whole heck of a lot to > eat either, and I would like to have some honey/fruit in my diet if > possible. > > I am wondering for those of you who are doing this diet and suspect > you also have a problem with candida, what are you doing? Are you > following the diet and trusting the probiotc plus removal of offending > foods will heal your gut? Does anyone know if McBride or Gottschall > addressed this issue anywhere? > > Thanks! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 What I gather from reading pages 77-81 of GAPs and listening to Dr. McBride's seminar is that fructose and glucose (which are the sugars in honey and fruit) are directly absorbed and don't require the work of the enterocytes in the gut. So the idea being that they are digested and absorbed normally and don't give the opportunity for the pathogens to feed off of them. Contrast that to the disaccharides such as sucrose (table sugar), lactose (dairy sugar) and maltose (sugars from starches). The sugars cannot be absorbed without a lot of work by the enterocytes. Because the enterocytes in a GAPS patient are damaged or sick, they lose their abilty to do their job properly and so consequently undigested sugars sit in the gut and provide food for the pathogens such as candida and clostridia, etc. "Clinical practice shows that when the gut has been given a long enough period without double sugars (disaccharides) and starch, it has a good chance to recover. Once this recovery takes place, the person can start having grains and starchy vegetables again without any ill effects." I don't think I would advise a LOT of any sugar. But I think its unreasonable to expect to completely cut out sugar for a child and that's why Dr. McBride recommends the best options, in her opinion which are honey and ripe fruit. She does point out that unripe fruit contains some sucrose, which is a double sugar. I remember in her talk at the conference she said to make friends with a farmer, neighbor, etc. who has fruit trees and take the fruit that falls from the tree because it is the most ripe. And if it has a worm in it, even better (meaning the worm picked a good ripe fruit), just cut the worm's part off and eat it. From GAPS page 81: "In the majority of people with digestive disorders their gut lining can cope with these tiny amounts of sugar and starch from fruit and non-starch vegetables." Here's a quote from Dr. Natasha's seminar at the conference. "So the shopping list is extremely simple.....You buy raw or frozen meats, fresh. You buy raw or frozen fish, fresh. You buy organ meats obviously. You buy dirty vegetables. You buy fresh fruit. You buy nuts which have not been processed, they've just been shelled, or even in their shells, the same with seeds: sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds and sesame seeds, and you render your own fats for cooking, you don't buy those. You buy coconut oil and you buy good quality virgin cold expressed olive oil. That's your shopping list, just a handful. Very, very simple." I hope that helps. Katy From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of LaurinSent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:28 PM Subject: [ ] SCD/GAPS and Candida I have read GAPS and SCD and am confused b/c the recommended foods areso high in sugar (as honey and dried fruit). Both books point outthat people with GAPS tend to have an overrun of candida albicans, soit would seem that foods with a lot of honey/fruit is not advised.However, w/o grains and dairy, there isn't a whole heck of a lot toeat either, and I would like to have some honey/fruit in my diet ifpossible.I am wondering for those of you who are doing this diet and suspectyou also have a problem with candida, what are you doing? Are youfollowing the diet and trusting the probiotc plus removal of offendingfoods will heal your gut? Does anyone know if McBride or Gottschalladdressed this issue anywhere?Thanks! Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Thank you so much! That does explain it! I was esp. interested to learn that glucose/fructose are absorbed differently, and thus don't feed the candida as much. Thank you! On Jan 8, 2008 9:52 PM, Katy <katywms@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > What I gather from reading pages 77-81 of GAPs and listening to Dr. > McBride's > seminar is that fructose and glucose (which are the sugars in honey and > fruit) > are directly absorbed and don't require the work of the enterocytes in the > gut. > So the idea being that they are digested and absorbed normally and don't > give the opportunity for the pathogens to feed off of them. Contrast that > to the disaccharides such as sucrose (table sugar), lactose (dairy sugar) > and maltose (sugars from starches). The sugars cannot be absorbed without > a lot of work by the enterocytes. Because the enterocytes in a GAPS patient > are damaged or sick, they lose their abilty to do their job properly and so > consequently undigested sugars sit in the gut and provide food for the > pathogens such as candida and clostridia, etc. > > " Clinical practice shows that when the gut has been given a long enough > period without double sugars (disaccharides) and starch, it has a good > chance > to recover. Once this recovery takes place, the person can start having > grains > and starchy vegetables again without any ill effects. " > > I don't think I would advise a LOT of any sugar. But I think its > unreasonable > to expect to completely cut out sugar for a child and that's why Dr. McBride > recommends the best options, in her opinion which are honey and ripe > fruit. She does point out that unripe fruit contains some sucrose, which is > a > double sugar. I remember in her talk at the conference she said to make > friends > with a farmer, neighbor, etc. who has fruit trees and take the fruit that > falls > from the tree because it is the most ripe. And if it has a worm in it, even > better > (meaning the worm picked a good ripe fruit), just cut the worm's part off > and > eat it. From GAPS page 81: " In the majority of people with digestive > disorders > their gut lining can cope with these tiny amounts of sugar and starch from > fruit > and non-starch vegetables. " > > Here's a quote from Dr. Natasha's seminar at the conference. " So the > shopping > list is extremely simple.....You buy raw or frozen meats, fresh. You buy raw > or > frozen fish, fresh. You buy organ meats obviously. You buy dirty vegetables. > You buy fresh fruit. You buy nuts which have not been processed, they've > just > been shelled, or even in their shells, the same with seeds: sunflower seeds, > pumpkin seeds and sesame seeds, and you render your own fats for cooking, > you don't buy those. You buy coconut oil and you buy good quality virgin > cold expressed olive oil. That's your shopping list, just a handful. Very, > very simple. " > > I hope that helps. > Katy > > ________________________________ > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Laurin > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:28 PM > > Subject: [ ] SCD/GAPS and Candida > > > > > > > I have read GAPS and SCD and am confused b/c the recommended foods are > so high in sugar (as honey and dried fruit). Both books point out > that people with GAPS tend to have an overrun of candida albicans, so > it would seem that foods with a lot of honey/fruit is not advised. > > However, w/o grains and dairy, there isn't a whole heck of a lot to > eat either, and I would like to have some honey/fruit in my diet if > possible. > > I am wondering for those of you who are doing this diet and suspect > you also have a problem with candida, what are you doing? Are you > following the diet and trusting the probiotc plus removal of offending > foods will heal your gut? Does anyone know if McBride or Gottschall > addressed this issue anywhere? > > Thanks! > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 > 7:37 PM > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 > 7:37 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Thanks Katy, for a clear answer. I would just like to add that the candida lives in the lower gut (ileum and colon), so since the simple sugars are absorbed in the upper intestines, they don't make it to where the candida are. The disaccarhides and starch won't all get digested in an unhealthy upper gut, and that is why they can make it to the lower gut.\ to feed pathogens. Laurin wrote: Thank you so much! That does explain it! I was esp. interested to learn that glucose/fructose are absorbed differently, and thus don't feed the candida as much. Thank you! On Jan 8, 2008 9:52 PM, Katy <katywmsgmail> wrote: > > > > > > > > What I gather from reading pages 77-81 of GAPs and listening to Dr. > McBride's > seminar is that fructose and glucose (which are the sugars in honey and > fruit) > are directly absorbed and don't require the work of the enterocytes in the > gut. > So the idea being that they are digested and absorbed normally and don't > give the opportunity for the pathogens to feed off of them. Contrast that > to the disaccharides such as sucrose (table sugar), lactose (dairy sugar) > and maltose (sugars from starches). The sugars cannot be absorbed without > a lot of work by the enterocytes. Because the enterocytes in a GAPS patient > are damaged or sick, they lose their abilty to do their job properly and so > consequently undigested sugars sit in the gut and provide food for the > pathogens such as candida and clostridia, etc. > > "Clinical practice shows that when the gut has been given a long enough > period without double sugars (disaccharides) and starch, it has a good > chance > to recover. Once this recovery takes place, the person can start having > grains > and starchy vegetables again without any ill effects." > > I don't think I would advise a LOT of any sugar. But I think its > unreasonable > to expect to completely cut out sugar for a child and that's why Dr. McBride > recommends the best options, in her opinion which are honey and ripe > fruit. She does point out that unripe fruit contains some sucrose, which is > a > double sugar. I remember in her talk at the conference she said to make > friends > with a farmer, neighbor, etc. who has fruit trees and take the fruit that > falls > from the tree because it is the most ripe. And if it has a worm in it, even > better > (meaning the worm picked a good ripe fruit), just cut the worm's part off > and > eat it. From GAPS page 81: "In the majority of people with digestive > disorders > their gut lining can cope with these tiny amounts of sugar and starch from > fruit > and non-starch vegetables." > > Here's a quote from Dr. Natasha's seminar at the conference. "So the > shopping > list is extremely simple.....You buy raw or frozen meats, fresh. You buy raw > or > frozen fish, fresh. You buy organ meats obviously. You buy dirty vegetables. > You buy fresh fruit. You buy nuts which have not been processed, they've > just > been shelled, or even in their shells, the same with seeds: sunflower seeds, > pumpkin seeds and sesame seeds, and you render your own fats for cooking, > you don't buy those. You buy coconut oil and you buy good quality virgin > cold expressed olive oil. That's your shopping list, just a handful. Very, > very simple." > > I hope that helps. > Katy > > ________________________________ > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Laurin > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:28 PM > > Subject: [ ] SCD/GAPS and Candida > > > > > > > I have read GAPS and SCD and am confused b/c the recommended foods are > so high in sugar (as honey and dried fruit). Both books point out > that people with GAPS tend to have an overrun of candida albicans, so > it would seem that foods with a lot of honey/fruit is not advised. > > However, w/o grains and dairy, there isn't a whole heck of a lot to > eat either, and I would like to have some honey/fruit in my diet if > possible. > > I am wondering for those of you who are doing this diet and suspect > you also have a problem with candida, what are you doing? Are you > following the diet and trusting the probiotc plus removal of offending > foods will heal your gut? Does anyone know if McBride or Gottschall > addressed this issue anywhere? > > Thanks! > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 > 7:37 PM > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 > 7:37 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I gather from reading pages 77-81 of GAPs and listening to Dr. > > > McBride's > > > seminar is that fructose and glucose (which are the sugars in honey and > > > fruit) > > > are directly absorbed and don't require the work of the enterocytes > > in the > > > gut. > > > So the idea being that they are digested and absorbed normally and don't > > > give the opportunity for the pathogens to feed off of them. Contrast > > that > > > to the disaccharides such as sucrose (table sugar), lactose (dairy > > sugar) > > > and maltose (sugars from starches). The sugars cannot be absorbed > > without > > > a lot of work by the enterocytes. Because the enterocytes in a GAPS > > patient > > > are damaged or sick, they lose their abilty to do their job properly > > and so > > > consequently undigested sugars sit in the gut and provide food for the > > > pathogens such as candida and clostridia, etc. > > > > > > " Clinical practice shows that when the gut has been given a long enough > > > period without double sugars (disaccharides) and starch, it has a good > > > chance > > > to recover. Once this recovery takes place, the person can start having > > > grains > > > and starchy vegetables again without any ill effects. " > > > > > > I don't think I would advise a LOT of any sugar. But I think its > > > unreasonable > > > to expect to completely cut out sugar for a child and that's why Dr. > > McBride > > > recommends the best options, in her opinion which are honey and ripe > > > fruit. She does point out that unripe fruit contains some sucrose, > > which is > > > a > > > double sugar. I remember in her talk at the conference she said to make > > > friends > > > with a farmer, neighbor, etc. who has fruit trees and take the fruit > > that > > > falls > > > from the tree because it is the most ripe. And if it has a worm in > > it, even > > > better > > > (meaning the worm picked a good ripe fruit), just cut the worm's > > part off > > > and > > > eat it. From GAPS page 81: " In the majority of people with digestive > > > disorders > > > their gut lining can cope with these tiny amounts of sugar and > > starch from > > > fruit > > > and non-starch vegetables. " > > > > > > Here's a quote from Dr. Natasha's seminar at the conference. " So the > > > shopping > > > list is extremely simple.....You buy raw or frozen meats, fresh. You > > buy raw > > > or > > > frozen fish, fresh. You buy organ meats obviously. You buy dirty > > vegetables. > > > You buy fresh fruit. You buy nuts which have not been processed, they've > > > just > > > been shelled, or even in their shells, the same with seeds: > > sunflower seeds, > > > pumpkin seeds and sesame seeds, and you render your own fats for > > cooking, > > > you don't buy those. You buy coconut oil and you buy good quality virgin > > > cold expressed olive oil. That's your shopping list, just a handful. > > Very, > > > very simple. " > > > > > > I hope that helps. > > > Katy > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: > > <mailto: %40> > > > [mailto: > > <mailto: %40>] On Behalf Of Laurin > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:28 PM > > > > > <mailto: %40> > > > Subject: [ ] SCD/GAPS and Candida > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read GAPS and SCD and am confused b/c the recommended foods are > > > so high in sugar (as honey and dried fruit). Both books point out > > > that people with GAPS tend to have an overrun of candida albicans, so > > > it would seem that foods with a lot of honey/fruit is not advised. > > > > > > However, w/o grains and dairy, there isn't a whole heck of a lot to > > > eat either, and I would like to have some honey/fruit in my diet if > > > possible. > > > > > > I am wondering for those of you who are doing this diet and suspect > > > you also have a problem with candida, what are you doing? Are you > > > following the diet and trusting the probiotc plus removal of offending > > > foods will heal your gut? Does anyone know if McBride or Gottschall > > > addressed this issue anywhere? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: > > 12/19/2007 > > > 7:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: > > 12/19/2007 > > > 7:37 PM > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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