Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Hunter has had an ADHD Diagnosis (among many others) since age 4. Of course I disagree with it now...but I have seen a few people that have a child with ADHD and another with AS. What differences do you see in these kids. What is the determining factor? The psychiatrist that saw Hunter for his disability determination said wow, this looks like AS, yet still looks like ADHD. What do you see that none of the professionals can really answer for me? Yes, I have seen the diagnostic criteria, but I think I'm looking for the parents' view! Thanks in SD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 My daughter as AS and is getting an ADHD eval on friday by her developmental pediatrician that she has been seeing for years (she's 5 now). AS and ADHD share a lot of symptoms but I think AS has more and I think when it comes down to it, it takes someone with a lot of experience to tease it out. My daughter fits the ADHD criteria perfectly but I don't know how much can be explained by age/AS so we'll see. I'm not even sure if the dev ped is the one to do this but when I called to get a name from them, the doc said she would do it. I said we definitely need 60 mins to do it cuz 30 is not enough to see what's up. Jen Emery 5 AS/poss ADHD/K in fall wrote: > > Hunter has had an ADHD Diagnosis (among many others) since age 4. Of > course I disagree with it now...but I have seen a few people that have > a child with ADHD and another with AS. What differences do you see in > these kids. What is the determining factor? The psychiatrist that saw > Hunter for his disability determination said wow, this looks like AS, > yet still looks like ADHD. What do you see that none of the > professionals can really answer for me? Yes, I have seen the > diagnostic criteria, but I think I'm looking for the parents' view! > Thanks > in SD > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2693 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2693 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 wrote: What do you see that none of the professionals can really answer for me? Yes, I have seen the diagnostic criteria, but I think I'm looking for the parents' view! OK, here's what I think and I may be totally wrong. I'd like to know what your thoughts are on my response. First of all, many children with AS also have ADHD as a "secondary diagnosis." Whether ADHD or not, children with AS tend to have symptoms that look like ADHD, including a difficult time knowing what to pay attention to, an aversion to making eye contact, and sometimes a visual processing disorder. Sensory issues can also look like ADHD, including tactile and vestibular processing. Special interests with intense focuses would be very symptomatic of AS and not ADHD, would it not? And I would think that there are some "stimming" behaviors that cross over in both diagnoses. And in regards to social difficulties and theory of mind --- mmmm...here's where I'm not sure. I know that ADHD does impact social realms, although I would like to hear more from parents with experience in differentiating between ADHD and AS. Thanks for asking this question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 My brother has ADHD. He was always a very socialable kid. He has always had a girlfriend (from 16 on). He was a smart kid but found school so boring. He was a class clown. He quit school at 16. He is underemployed. He has lots of friends though. He has always been independet and has lived in his own apartment. My niece has ADHD and anxiety. She is very shy. She finds school very BORING. She has quit school at 16. She was not classified soon enough to get her the services that may have helped her. She won't leave the house. She is not hyperactive. She is the inattentive type. She doesn't understand why school is hard and suspects it is because she is " dumb or lazy " (her words). Her anxiety is out of control. Her self talk about herself is very negative. She is not a AS girl. She has typcial interets and is not hyperfocused on any special interest. My brother in law in contrast has AS. He has never had a girlfriend. He has a very immature view of relationships still. He has to be explained a lot of things. He finished high school and college. He has an engineering degree but found the work world too much pressure to cope with. He is underemployed. He works as a landscaper. He has very few friends. He lives with his aging father. My daughter has AS with NLD (attnetional and other issues). She is very hyperfocused on her special interests. She is very smart but finds school work so boring. Even though she is in a very small special needs school with kids with ADHD and reading LD's (I think the school is a gem) she still finds school work BORING. She refused to go to school last year in public school. Some kids with AS have a Non verbal learning disorder, like my daughter. They should have a neuropscy evaluation to document the severity of the issue. It is more than attentional issues only.They have issues with visual spatial orientation and this makes finding their way around difficult. There are many types of genetic disorders where kid have AS and NLD. Fragile X for example. I think the risk with ADHD is school refusal/school failure in high school if they don't get the hands on kind of learning that they thrive in. But even if they quit school I think the ADHD person can find a hands on type job or even people oriented work (like sales) and do well. The risk with AS only (no LD's ) is social isolation and peer teasing. These reasons may drive them out of school. If the AS kids doesn't have non verbal issues or ADHD they seem to really do well in school (like my brother in law). AS kids can and do go to college but there they need support to manage. But in my experience skills can be taught provided emotional issues are under control. I regret we didn't have my daughter's AS anxiety treated as early as 5 years old. The neurologist mis-diagnosed her as OCD and I went down the path of therapy for way to long. It makes me cringe when I think of all the panic attacks she had from age 5-11. My advice is treat any anxiety early. If anxiety is not under control there can very little progress. We are working with Yale's Parenting and Child Conduct clinic and so many skills are being taught. None of this would have been possible with untreated emotional problems. Also we had to get our daughter into a smaller special needs school. I am very hopeful for her future. I really am. These problems require a team effort. We needed medication in place, school services, behavioral plan and lots and lots of parent training. Best of luck, Pam > > Hunter has had an ADHD Diagnosis (among many others) since age 4. Of course I disagree with it now...but I have seen a few people that have a child with ADHD and another with AS. What differences do you see in these kids. What is the determining factor? The psychiatrist that saw Hunter for his disability determination said wow, this looks like AS, yet still looks like ADHD. What do you see that none of the professionals can really answer for me? Yes, I have seen the diagnostic criteria, but I think I'm looking for the parents' view! > Thanks > in SD > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Thank you so much for your response. Hunter hates the thought of going to school every day. He can't handle shopping, though it is getting better if we go when stores are less busy. They say this is oppositional defiance disorcer, and the social skills is his adhd. I just want to wring somebody's neck - like come on, what don't you see? I'll post more about this a litle later when I'm not sitting in class LOL in SD > > > > Hunter has had an ADHD Diagnosis (among many others) since age 4. Of course I disagree with it now...but I have seen a few people that have a child with ADHD and another with AS. What differences do you see in these kids. What is the determining factor? The psychiatrist that saw Hunter for his disability determination said wow, this looks like AS, yet still looks like ADHD. What do you see that none of the professionals can really answer for me? Yes, I have seen the diagnostic criteria, but I think I'm looking for the parents' view! > > Thanks > > in SD > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 We didn't get the AS DX until our daughter was 9 years old. People thought she was ADHD inattentive type prior to that. I still think there is so much valuable info that comes from a nueropsch eval (about frontal lobe disorders such as AS and ADHD and executive function) and these I don't think can be done before age 9. As the child ages you will see the AS if it is there clearly in social situations. There will be a clear cut obessiveness with their special interests. You will see them in a small group talking about there hobby when everyone else is on a totally different subject. I don't think a tester can see the AS in a sesssion only. I brought in tapes of converstaions my daughter had with her peers. These tapes really made the case for AS. The neuropsy eval had all the info on clear cut deificits in many areas. But socializing is still something I think parents need to provide info on. Taping conversations with their peers is highly effective. Because with an adult sometimes my daughter will stay on the topic at hand. It is a calm setting and she tends to respond better to adults. Pam > > > > Hunter has had an ADHD Diagnosis (among many others) since age 4. Of > > course I disagree with it now...but I have seen a few people that have > > a child with ADHD and another with AS. What differences do you see in > > these kids. What is the determining factor? The psychiatrist that saw > > Hunter for his disability determination said wow, this looks like AS, > > yet still looks like ADHD. What do you see that none of the > > professionals can really answer for me? Yes, I have seen the > > diagnostic criteria, but I think I'm looking for the parents' view! > > Thanks > > in SD > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2693 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00 > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2693 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 My son was originally diagnosed with Sensory Integration Dysfunction at the age of 3.5 Then he was diagnosed with ADHD (instead of SID, which was new at the time) at 5 and I didn't think it was the full picture, but he was exhibiting enough of the symptoms and I knew he would get some help and accommodations with the diagnosis, so I just let it be. Around the age of 8, he was diagnosed with Anxiety - not otherwise specified, if I remember correctly. He didn't get the Aspergers diagnosis until 6th grade. From the age of 4, though, I focused more on the behaviors he was exhibiting and less on the diagnosis. I do not think he has SID, ADHD, Anxiety, and Aspergers. The Aspergers makes the most sense to me. "Over-optimism is waiting for you ship to come in when you haven't sent one out." From: H <jenuhferr@...> Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 5:06:16 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Asperger's vs. ADHD My daughter as AS and is getting an ADHD eval on friday by her developmental pediatrician that she has been seeing for years (she's 5 now). AS and ADHD share a lot of symptoms but I think AS has more and I think when it comes down to it, it takes someone with a lot of experience to tease it out. My daughter fits the ADHD criteria perfectly but I don't know how much can be explained by age/AS so we'll see. I'm not even sure if the dev ped is the one to do this but when I called to get a name from them, the doc said she would do it. I said we definitely need 60 mins to do it cuz 30 is not enough to see what's up.JenEmery 5 AS/poss ADHD/K in fall wrote:>> Hunter has had an ADHD Diagnosis (among many others) since age 4. Of > course I disagree with it now...but I have seen a few people that have > a child with ADHD and another with AS. What differences do you see in > these kids. What is the determining factor? The psychiatrist that saw > Hunter for his disability determination said wow, this looks like AS, > yet still looks like ADHD. What do you see that none of the > professionals can really answer for me? Yes, I have seen the > diagnostic criteria, but I think I'm looking for the parents' view!> Thanks> in SD>> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ->>> No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2693 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 , sounds like you have taken over the alphabet like we have. Here is a list of diagnoses thus far: ADHD, anxiety, depression, SPD (sensory processing disorder), Mild CP (Cerebral Palsy), ODD (oppositional defiance disorder). anxiety and depression are not able to be treated with meds - they throw him into psychotic episodes. He's been in counseling/ " behavior therapy " (ha ha) since he was 4, OT since 6, ST since 4, Adaptive PE for a while, and he takes concerta. > > > > Hunter has had an ADHD Diagnosis (among many others) since age 4. Of > > course I disagree with it now...but I have seen a few people that have > > a child with ADHD and another with AS. What differences do you see in > > these kids. What is the determining factor? The psychiatrist that saw > > Hunter for his disability determination said wow, this looks like AS, > > yet still looks like ADHD. What do you see that none of the > > professionals can really answer for me? Yes, I have seen the > > diagnostic criteria, but I think I'm looking for the parents' view! > > Thanks > > in SD > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2693 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Pam, what's a neuropsych evaluation? Thanks. Doreen On Wed Feb 17th, 2010 11:40 PM EST Pamela wrote: >We didn't get the AS DX until our daughter was 9 years old. >People thought she was ADHD inattentive type prior to that. > >I still think there is so much valuable info that >comes from a nueropsch eval (about frontal lobe disorders >such as AS and ADHD and executive function) >and these I don't think can be done before age 9. > >As the child ages you will see the AS if it is there clearly >in social situations. There will be a clear cut obessiveness >with their special interests. You will see them in a small >group talking about there hobby when everyone else is on >a totally different subject. > >I don't think a tester can see the AS in a sesssion only. >I brought in tapes of converstaions my daughter had >with her peers. These tapes really made the case for AS. > >The neuropsy eval had all the info on clear cut deificits >in many areas. But socializing is still something I think >parents need to provide info on. Taping conversations >with their peers is highly effective. Because with an adult >sometimes my daughter will stay on the topic at hand. >It is a calm setting and she tends to respond better to adults. > > >Pam > > >> > >> > Hunter has had an ADHD Diagnosis (among many others) since age 4. Of >> > course I disagree with it now...but I have seen a few people that have >> > a child with ADHD and another with AS. What differences do you see in >> > these kids. What is the determining factor? The psychiatrist that saw >> > Hunter for his disability determination said wow, this looks like AS, >> > yet still looks like ADHD. What do you see that none of the >> > professionals can really answer for me? Yes, I have seen the >> > diagnostic criteria, but I think I'm looking for the parents' view! >> > Thanks >> > in SD >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2693 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00 >> > >> > >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2693 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00 >> > > > > >------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 I FEEL TRULY BLESSED MY SON AT THE AGE OF 6.5 IS JUST ADHD AND AS AND HE HAS THE BEST PEDS DOC AND THE BEST COUNSELOR MACON GA. I KNOW I AM ON A BUMPY ROAD CAUSE HE IS LIKE HIS FATHER BUT WE GOT HELP EARLY AND I AM HOPING THIS WILL HELP. AND IF YOU ARE IN GEORGIA DR.JOHNS IS THE BEST TO TEST AND TREAT! HE IS IN MACON KATIE FROM GAFrom: <moien@...>Subject: ( ) Re: Asperger's vs. ADHD Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 12:18 AM , sounds like you have taken over the alphabet like we have. Here is a list of diagnoses thus far: ADHD, anxiety, depression, SPD (sensory processing disorder), Mild CP (Cerebral Palsy), ODD (oppositional defiance disorder). anxiety and depression are not able to be treated with meds - they throw him into psychotic episodes. He's been in counseling/" behavior therapy" (ha ha) since he was 4, OT since 6, ST since 4, Adaptive PE for a while, and he takes concerta. > > > > Hunter has had an ADHD Diagnosis (among many others) since age 4. Of > > course I disagree with it now...but I have seen a few people that have > > a child with ADHD and another with AS. What differences do you see in > > these kids. What is the determining factor? The psychiatrist that saw > > Hunter for his disability determination said wow, this looks like AS, > > yet still looks like ADHD. What do you see that none of the > > professionals can really answer for me? Yes, I have seen the > > diagnostic criteria, but I think I'm looking for the parents' view! > > Thanks > > in SD > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2693 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 My daughter too is defiant/ridgid kid. I think I mentioned nothing will help with the AS Dx as much as you audiotaping his interactions with other kids. I bought an inexpensive taperecorder that fit in my pocket. If your child has AS by the time they are 9 it will easier to audio tape the conversations. By age 9 kids do have converstaions on various topics and it is obvious in peer settings. When I played these tapes to various counselors it had a big impact. I would intervene in the tape too. I would say to my daughter ask Sara (the friend) how her party was ...and my daughter would ask but then go back to talking about animals. Nothing I did could get her off the topic it was very effective. ADHD kids are so different from AS kids. They both often have executive skill disorders and that is one similiarity. Pam > > > > > > Hunter has had an ADHD Diagnosis (among many others) since age 4. Of course I disagree with it now...but I have seen a few people that have a child with ADHD and another with AS. What differences do you see in these kids. What is the determining factor? The psychiatrist that saw Hunter for his disability determination said wow, this looks like AS, yet still looks like ADHD. What do you see that none of the professionals can really answer for me? Yes, I have seen the diagnostic criteria, but I think I'm looking for the parents' view! > > > Thanks > > > in SD > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 A neuropsych eval is done by a neuropsychologist it is often a 8 hour test (over a week or more) that test how the brain learns and functions. The book by Dr. D. Papolos " The Bipolar Child " has a chapter expaining neurosy evals. This book is avail at all the local libraries in our area I hope you can borrow a copy. Many kids with AS and kids with ADHD and Bipolar have these executive function disorders that make they very ridgid kids, inflexible, difficulting getting off a subject, explosive, find school boring ...these kind of kids often have deficit level scores in attention, organization, procssing speed etc. The test is expensive often $3000, some can be billed as counseling hours and reimbursed thru insurance. Sometimes a school will pay for the test but it is expensive and the schools I have dealt with won't. But some do. This is the kind of test that only needs to be done once to really understand your child. Make sure the tester will write extensive recommendations on school accomodations too. good luck, Pam these functI thinIt http://bipolarchild.com/Book/ > >> > > >> > Hunter has had an ADHD Diagnosis (among many others) since age 4. Of > >> > course I disagree with it now...but I have seen a few people that have > >> > a child with ADHD and another with AS. What differences do you see in > >> > these kids. What is the determining factor? The psychiatrist that saw > >> > Hunter for his disability determination said wow, this looks like AS, > >> > yet still looks like ADHD. What do you see that none of the > >> > professionals can really answer for me? Yes, I have seen the > >> > diagnostic criteria, but I think I'm looking for the parents' view! > >> > Thanks > >> > in SD > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > > >> > > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> > Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2693 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00 > >> > > >> > > >> > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2693 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00 > >> > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Ok. Thank you. On Thu Feb 18th, 2010 11:42 AM EST Pamela wrote: >A neuropsych eval is done by a neuropsychologist it is often a >8 hour test (over a week or more) that test how the brain >learns and functions. > >The book by Dr. D. Papolos " The Bipolar Child " has a chapter >expaining neurosy evals. This book is avail at all the local >libraries in our area I hope you can borrow a copy. > >Many kids with AS and kids with ADHD and Bipolar have these >executive function disorders that make they very ridgid kids, >inflexible, difficulting getting off a subject, explosive, >find school boring ...these kind of kids often have deficit >level scores in attention, organization, procssing speed etc. > >The test is expensive often $3000, some can be billed as >counseling hours and reimbursed thru insurance. Sometimes >a school will pay for the test but it is expensive and the >schools I have dealt with won't. But some do. This is the >kind of test that only needs to be done once to really >understand your child. Make sure the tester will write >extensive recommendations on school accomodations too. > >good luck, > >Pam >these functI thinIt > >http://bipolarchild.com/Book/ > > >> >> > >> >> > Hunter has had an ADHD Diagnosis (among many others) since age 4. Of >> >> > course I disagree with it now...but I have seen a few people that have >> >> > a child with ADHD and another with AS. What differences do you see in >> >> > these kids. What is the determining factor? The psychiatrist that saw >> >> > Hunter for his disability determination said wow, this looks like AS, >> >> > yet still looks like ADHD. What do you see that none of the >> >> > professionals can really answer for me? Yes, I have seen the >> >> > diagnostic criteria, but I think I'm looking for the parents' view! >> >> > Thanks >> >> > in SD >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> >> > Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2693 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> >> Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2693 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00 >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >------------------------------------ >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 My son is 12 and initially diagnosed as PDD-NOS, then undiagnosed as autism by a leading guru on the subject (think land area), then diagnosed as ADHD and finally rediag'd as Aspergers--which everyone around me was telling me and which ultimately made sense. Although my son does have some ADHD tendencies--when you look under the cover, it is not true ADHD. One of the best questions to ask " does my son showing a disinterest on many things, appearing to multi-task so quickly to avoid boredom or does he really have an interest and just cannot concentrate well enough, getting fustrated in the process? " . My son has only a few interests but never once got fustrated because he could not concentrate well enough. I realized only after a while that his quick attention span was more due to disinterest rather than an incapability to concentrate. (That said, he has never showed the full up concentration that so many asperger or autistic kids supposedly can display. He loves chess and can play all day even skipping lunch but the idea to spend more than 15 seconds analyzing his next move (to improve his winning chances) is foreign to him. ) Marc > > > > Hunter has had an ADHD Diagnosis (among many others) since age 4. Of course I disagree with it now...but I have seen a few people that have a child with ADHD and another with AS. What differences do you see in these kids. What is the determining factor? The psychiatrist that saw Hunter for his disability determination said wow, this looks like AS, yet still looks like ADHD. What do you see that none of the professionals can really answer for me? Yes, I have seen the diagnostic criteria, but I think I'm looking for the parents' view! > > > > Thanks > > > > in SD > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Hi , We too have a g.daughter who is almost 6 and has a diagnosis of ADHD & OCD. We recently are in the process of more evaluation because I feel strongly that she has the signs of AS. She takes Adderall and Resperdal as well as Melotonin. It has truly made a difference in her life as well as ours. She begins Kindergarten in the fall and right now she is already not wanting to go to school. She is in preschool for the second year. She says it is boring. Yes, she is smart although she struggles with the talking(or communication-she always acts shy or she says she is not allowed to talk to strangers) and socialization. We have custody and it is sooo much work. Its not the work I mind but when she gets off in a tangent it can be overwhelming. When I talked with her doctor she really listens and I'm so thankful for her. We are seeing the struggles in a whole new light though. Her grandpa has also been DX with OCD that they say was probably ADHD and his coping skills it developed into OCD as he got older. Simularities are definantely there. However, I see more and so the eval. is in process. We have one more session and then it will take about a week to find out. She is scheduled to be watched or her progress followed at school in the fall. I wish you and everyone hope and peace in the struggle to find answers. Ginny From: Pamela <susanonderko@...> Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 11:32:54 AMSubject: ( ) Re: Asperger's vs. ADHD My daughter too is defiant/ridgid kid. I think I mentioned nothing will help with the AS Dx as much asyou audiotaping his interactions with other kids. I boughtan inexpensive taperecorder that fit in my pocket. If your child has AS by the time they are 9 it will easier to audio tape the conversations. By age 9 kids do have converstaionson various topics and it is obvious in peer settings. When I played these tapes to various counselors it had a big impact. I would intervene in the tape too. I would say to my daughter ask Sara (the friend) how her party was ...and my daughterwould ask but then go back to talking about animals. Nothing I did could get her off the topic it was very effective.ADHD kids are so different from AS kids. They both often haveexecutive skill disorders and that is one similiarity. Pam > > >> > > Hunter has had an ADHD Diagnosis (among many others) since age 4. Of course I disagree with it now...but I have seen a few people that have a child with ADHD and another with AS. What differences do you see in these kids. What is the determining factor? The psychiatrist that saw Hunter for his disability determination said wow, this looks like AS, yet still looks like ADHD. What do you see that none of the professionals can really answer for me? Yes, I have seen the diagnostic criteria, but I think I'm looking for the parents' view!> > > Thanks> > > in SD> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 My son was also diagnosed with ADHD right before Kindergarten and within 1.5 years, he showed some signs of OCD. But the more I read about OCD, I didn't think it fit my son, so I did nothing with that diagnosis. It just seemed too big for what we were dealing with. In 6th grade, he finally received the Aspergers diagnosis and it made perfect sense. I think some of his OCD-like tendencies have more to do w/ perseveration which is typical behavior for a person w/ Aspergers. It just didn't quite fit in the OCD box, in my opinion. I think if you put him in a room w/ 4 professionals, you'd have four different opinions of exactly what D's diagnosis/diagnoses should be. I try to pay more attention to the behaviors and less to the diagnosis, for that reason in particular. As long as it's acknowledged in the school system that there are problems and he's protected/assisted through an IEP, I feel like we'll be okay. I'm a single mom and my parents help out quite a bit, especially my dad. I applaud you for your efforts with your granddaughter! "Over-optimism is waiting for you ship to come in when you haven't sent one out." From: ginny rein <ginny_552001@...> Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 2:12:14 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Re: Asperger's vs. ADHD Hi , We too have a g.daughter who is almost 6 and has a diagnosis of ADHD & OCD. We recently are in the process of more evaluation because I feel strongly that she has the signs of AS. She takes Adderall and Resperdal as well as Melotonin. It has truly made a difference in her life as well as ours. She begins Kindergarten in the fall and right now she is already not wanting to go to school. She is in preschool for the second year. She says it is boring. Yes, she is smart although she struggles with the talking(or communication- she always acts shy or she says she is not allowed to talk to strangers) and socialization. We have custody and it is sooo much work. Its not the work I mind but when she gets off in a tangent it can be overwhelming. When I talked with her doctor she really listens and I'm so thankful for her. We are seeing the struggles in a whole new light though. Her grandpa has also been DX with OCD that they say was probably ADHD and his coping skills it developed into OCD as he got older. Simularities are definantely there. However, I see more and so the eval. is in process. We have one more session and then it will take about a week to find out. She is scheduled to be watched or her progress followed at school in the fall. I wish you and everyone hope and peace in the struggle to find answers. Ginny From: Pamela <susanonderko> Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 11:32:54 AMSubject: ( ) Re: Asperger's vs. ADHD My daughter too is defiant/ridgid kid. I think I mentioned nothing will help with the AS Dx as much asyou audiotaping his interactions with other kids. I boughtan inexpensive taperecorder that fit in my pocket. If your child has AS by the time they are 9 it will easier to audio tape the conversations. By age 9 kids do have converstaionson various topics and it is obvious in peer settings. When I played these tapes to various counselors it had a big impact. I would intervene in the tape too. I would say to my daughter ask Sara (the friend) how her party was ...and my daughterwould ask but then go back to talking about animals. Nothing I did could get her off the topic it was very effective.ADHD kids are so different from AS kids. They both often haveexecutive skill disorders and that is one similiarity. Pam > > >> > > Hunter has had an ADHD Diagnosis (among many others) since age 4. Of course I disagree with it now...but I have seen a few people that have a child with ADHD and another with AS. What differences do you see in these kids. What is the determining factor? The psychiatrist that saw Hunter for his disability determination said wow, this looks like AS, yet still looks like ADHD. What do you see that none of the professionals can really answer for me? Yes, I have seen the diagnostic criteria, but I think I'm looking for the parents' view!> > > Thanks> > > in SD> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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