Re: They say the honeymoon period is over, now what? I so confused!

March 17, 2010

It sounds like the stress of testing has become a trigger for Jakob? Notify the school that you're requesting an IEP and tell them you'd like a scribe for him during tests. Have them make that part of his IEP, if they need to set up a para for this task, have that included as well. If they are unwilling to accommodate his needs, write a letter to the School Board outlining what is going on and how the school is not willing to make Spec Ed accommodations for Jakob, which he needs due to his disability. I would also contact the Dept. of Education and notify them as to what is going on, so they can also follow-up on this.

From: <teamjakob06@...>Subject: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused! Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 3:11 PM

So about 4 weeks ago Jakob switched schools so that he could go to a school closer to our home and they switched him from the BSP program to the Austic LD program. Apparently he had been doing his work with no problems. Then today I get a note sent home that said;Ms. ,Mr. Brown, Mrs. Gresham and myself would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience. Please let us know when you are available to meet with us. Thanks, Mrs. Dickinson.So I called to find out what is going on. Mrs. Dickinsons proceeds to tell me that Jakob is refusing to do any work. He is keeping them from teaching the other children. He wants them to sit next to him and take him step by step or do it for him. She thought he wasn't listening yesterday in Social Studies, but when she quized him verbally he knew every answer. She said he can't go on to the 2nd grade if he can't put his work down on paper. She said they all know he is

capable, but he just won't do the work.. She said that they are all frustrated. They are worried about the time that is taken away from the other children and now worried that his school isn't the place for him. So here we are back on the same boat and left to wonder, why doesn't my child have a place to be educated, after all it is his right to a FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION. Unless I missed something, it didn't say anything about exception. Or exclusion, for that matter. I just don't know what to do now. I certainly can't go back in there and feel as though Jakob doesn't belong or that he is an outsider! And here I thought we'd found the perfect place. Wrong AGAIN!------------------------------------

March 18, 2010

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He does have an IEP. Although, they are not implementing everything on it and refuse to put him in a smaller class setting. I kept him home today until we are our meeting tomorrow and figure out what is best for Jakob. What I decide is best for Jakob, not the schools. Thanks for responding! TeamJakobSupport children with Aspergers,With your support their is no limit to Jakob's success!!

From: Byrne <kabob@...> Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 10:14:03 PMSubject: Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

They are required by law to educate him. If that means they give him an IEP and a one to one Aide well then thats what he should be getting. I would say do NOT allow this school to do this to him by saying "this isn't the place for him". There are reasons why he isn't wanting to do the work. They just need to explore WHY he wont do the work, he obviously knows the work. Sounds to me like its a lil hard and they are giving up way to easily. I dont know all the details but I've been down this road before so it feels the same. I would push them. Does he have an IEP or a plan in IDEA??

On Mar 17, 2010, at 1:11 PM, wrote:

So about 4 weeks ago Jakob switched schools so that he could go to a school closer to our home and they switched him from the BSP program to the Austic LD program. Apparently he had been doing his work with no problems. Then today I get a note sent home that said;Ms. ,Mr. Brown, Mrs. Gresham and myself would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience. Please let us know when you are available to meet with us. Thanks, Mrs. Dickinson.So I called to find out what is going on. Mrs. Dickinsons proceeds to tell me that Jakob is refusing to do any work. He is keeping them from teaching the other children. He wants them to sit next to him and take him step by step or do it for him. She thought he wasn't listening yesterday in Social Studies, but when she quized him verbally he knew every answer. She said he can't go on to the 2nd grade if he can't put his work down on paper. She said they all know he is capable, but he

just won't do the work.. She said that they are all frustrated. They are worried about the time that is taken away from the other children and now worried that his school isn't the place for him. So here we are back on the same boat and left to wonder, why doesn't my child have a place to be educated, after all it is his right to a FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION. Unless I missed something, it didn't say anything about exception. Or exclusion, for that matter. I just don't know what to do now. I certainly can't go back in there and feel as though Jakob doesn't belong or that he is an outsider! And here I thought we'd found the perfect place. Wrong AGAIN!

â€œHere's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes... the ones who see things differently -- they're not fond of rules... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things... they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do.â€ - Steve Jobs

March 18, 2010

Roxanna is right, don't depend on the school to act in your childs best interest, especially if they are already trying to pass over him. Be sure they hire a professional Behaviorist to do the BA, not simply someone already on staff (unless they are qualified). The last thing you want is results tainted by a staff member who has a conflict of interest.

From: Roxanna <MadIdeas@...>Subject: Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused! Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 9:59 AM

Well, it is their job to figure out what makes him tick and have a plan to education him. At this meeting, I would hope to hear their plan on how they are going to do this. Sounds like you won't hear that though. You need to request an "FBA" in writing. This person can observe and figure out why he is having problems/behaviors. Then you can help design an behavior plan with positive interventions to work on these problems. I can really get upset when people throw these statements out at me saying my kid won't do this or be that if he doesn't (blah blah blah). It's like they think we have a magic wand to make him stop being autistic so that they don't have to deal with the autism. Don't we wish...I mean, isn't that the point to him being in a special program in the first place? If he could do this stuff, he'd be in a regular

classroom and we wouldn't have an IEP. I am a little curious because you said he is in an Autistic LD program? And they are clueless? Eeek! So many kids with AS/HFA have problems writing down their work. That would seem to me to be such a "duh" problem for the people who should already have training in the why's and how to work on it.

RoxannaWhenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

So about 4 weeks ago Jakob switched schools so that he could go to a school closer to our home and they switched him from the BSP program to the Austic LD program. Apparently he had been doing his work with no problems. Then today I get a note sent home that said;Ms. ,Mr. Brown, Mrs. Gresham and myself would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience. Please let us know when you are available to meet with us. Thanks, Mrs. Dickinson.So I called to find out what is going on. Mrs. Dickinsons proceeds to tell me that Jakob is refusing to do any work. He is keeping them from teaching the other children. He wants them to sit next to him and take him step by step or do it for him. She thought he wasn't listening yesterday in Social Studies, but when she quized him verbally he knew every answer. She said he can't go on to the 2nd grade if he can't put his work down on paper. She said they all know he is capable, but he

just won't do the work.. She said that they are all frustrated. They are worried about the time that is taken away from the other children and now worried that his school isn't the place for him. So here we are back on the same boat and left to wonder, why doesn't my child have a place to be educated, after all it is his right to a FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION. Unless I missed something, it didn't say anything about exception. Or exclusion, for that matter. I just don't know what to do now. I certainly can't go back in there and feel as though Jakob doesn't belong or that he is an outsider! And here I thought we'd found the perfect place. Wrong AGAIN!

March 18, 2010

Thats what I thought too about the "duh" part. But to be honest, because of his old BSP teacher who stated she saw NO Aspergers Syndrome in his, what gives her the right to dx??, its like they don't believe me. They describe him as having an Emotion Disorder. Okay, combine social/emotional, ADHD, Anxiety Disorder, Mood Disorder, Processing Disorder and what to you get ASBERGERS SYNDROME! Thats exactly what the Child Specialist team says. I took that straight from the paper they gave me and the schools have the same copy! They even wrote in the paper work that "Jakob is defiance is caused by something and until we figure that out as a team, he will continue his defiance at school." Honestly the child is night and day. At home, though he can be reluctant, he does as he is asked. We do not demand things from him, we ask to do things, we adapted our world into his, however the school is our way or no way. Thanks

for everyone comments and suggestions! I grealt appreicate them! TeamJakobSupport children with Aspergers,With your support their is no limit to Jakob's success!!

From: Roxanna <MadIdeas@...> Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 10:59:47 AMSubject: Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

Well, it is their job to figure out what makes him tick and have a plan to education him. At this meeting, I would hope to hear their plan on how they are going to do this. Sounds like you won't hear that though. You need to request an "FBA" in writing. This person can observe and figure out why he is having problems/behaviors. Then you can help design an behavior plan with positive interventions to work on these problems. I can really get upset when people throw these statements out at me saying my kid won't do this or be that if he doesn't (blah blah blah). It's like they think we have a magic wand to make him stop being autistic so that they don't have to deal with the autism. Don't we wish...I mean, isn't that the point to him being in a special program in the first place? If he could do this stuff, he'd be in a regular

classroom and we wouldn't have an IEP. I am a little curious because you said he is in an Autistic LD program? And they are clueless? Eeek! So many kids with AS/HFA have problems writing down their work. That would seem to me to be such a "duh" problem for the people who should already have training in the why's and how to work on it.

RoxannaWhenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

So about 4 weeks ago Jakob switched schools so that he could go to a school closer to our home and they switched him from the BSP program to the Austic LD program. Apparently he had been doing his work with no problems. Then today I get a note sent home that said;Ms. ,Mr. Brown, Mrs. Gresham and myself would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience. Please let us know when you are available to meet with us. Thanks, Mrs. Dickinson.So I called to find out what is going on. Mrs. Dickinsons proceeds to tell me that Jakob is refusing to do any work. He is keeping them from teaching the other children. He wants them to sit next to him and take him step by step or do it for him. She thought he wasn't listening yesterday in Social Studies, but when she quized him verbally he knew every answer. She said he can't go on to the 2nd grade if he can't put his work down on paper. She said they all know he is capable, but he

just won't do the work.. She said that they are all frustrated. They are worried about the time that is taken away from the other children and now worried that his school isn't the place for him. So here we are back on the same boat and left to wonder, why doesn't my child have a place to be educated, after all it is his right to a FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION. Unless I missed something, it didn't say anything about exception. Or exclusion, for that matter. I just don't know what to do now. I certainly can't go back in there and feel as though Jakob doesn't belong or that he is an outsider! And here I thought we'd found the perfect place. Wrong AGAIN!

March 18, 2010

Somebody better hold me back. One of his teacher just called and when I started to question things she said "everything is a process and to take a deep breath and calm down." I was merely asking question about the Functional Behavior Assessment and whether or not the OT has been in to see him. Which she states is not apart of his IEP! We discussed this. Holly beef sticks, I just don't know! I can see though, that what I thought was going on, obviously isn't. So now its time to grab the bull by the horn and take over. Look out Big Mamas coming, and she ain't happy! Hope they can last longer than 8 seconds, riding this bull, because I know I sure can! I need to go pray! TeamJakobSupport children with Aspergers,With your support their is no limit to Jakob's success!!

From: <teamjakob06@...> Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 8:45:56 AMSubject: Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

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He does have an IEP. Although, they are not implementing everything on it and refuse to put him in a smaller class setting. I kept him home today until we are our meeting tomorrow and figure out what is best for Jakob. What I decide is best for Jakob, not the schools. Thanks for responding! TeamJakobSupport children with Aspergers,With your support their is no limit to Jakob's success!!

From: Byrne <kabobecatbox (DOT) net> Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 10:14:03 PMSubject: Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

They are required by law to educate him. If that means they give him an IEP and a one to one Aide well then thats what he should be getting. I would say do NOT allow this school to do this to him by saying "this isn't the place for him". There are reasons why he isn't wanting to do the work. They just need to explore WHY he wont do the work, he obviously knows the work. Sounds to me like its a lil hard and they are giving up way to easily. I dont know all the details but I've been down this road before so it feels the same. I would push them. Does he have an IEP or a plan in IDEA??

On Mar 17, 2010, at 1:11 PM, wrote:

So about 4 weeks ago Jakob switched schools so that he could go to a school closer to our home and they switched him from the BSP program to the Austic LD program. Apparently he had been doing his work with no problems. Then today I get a note sent home that said;Ms. ,Mr. Brown, Mrs. Gresham and myself would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience. Please let us know when you are available to meet with us. Thanks, Mrs. Dickinson.So I called to find out what is going on. Mrs. Dickinsons proceeds to tell me that Jakob is refusing to do any work. He is keeping them from teaching the other children. He wants them to sit next to him and take him step by step or do it for him. She thought he wasn't listening yesterday in Social Studies, but when she quized him verbally he knew every answer. She said he can't go on to the 2nd grade if he can't put his work down on paper. She said they all know he is capable, but he

just won't do the work.. She said that they are all frustrated. They are worried about the time that is taken away from the other children and now worried that his school isn't the place for him. So here we are back on the same boat and left to wonder, why doesn't my child have a place to be educated, after all it is his right to a FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION. Unless I missed something, it didn't say anything about exception. Or exclusion, for that matter. I just don't know what to do now. I certainly can't go back in there and feel as though Jakob doesn't belong or that he is an outsider! And here I thought we'd found the perfect place. Wrong AGAIN!

â€œHere's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes... the ones who see things differently -- they're not fond of rules... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things... they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do.â€ - Steve Jobs

March 18, 2010

Try not to focus on what they say when they are doing their "He doesn't have AS" talk. A lot of times, IMO, this is just to rattle your cage. It could also be a form of, "I don't know how to manage your child so he can't have autism because I can do autism" kind of thinking. lol. You are right, they do not have a medical degree. But if you say that, you will alienate them as well. So it's often easier to ask for specifics. Ask: You don't feel it is AS because you are seeing what? and let them tell you what they see happening. Don't let them give opinions without giving you examples of everything they are saying. If they say, "He makes eye contact", for example, don't yell back, "It's a spectrum disorder!" Instead, ask them, "Give me an example of that." You have two ways to go from there. If they can't come up with examples, then they are yanking your chain. If they have examples, then you can use the information they give you to figure out what is going on.

So often when teachers are angry and telling me what my kid is not doing, I get so much information from that. lol. So use it! And you can also try to keep them focusing on the end game - i.e. "I understand you disagree with his doctors about his dx, but I'd like to discuss what he needs during LA class...." Ultimately, his dx should be a guide to how to help him and not a badge that he has to wear. They need to help him with his many needs and not sit around arguing over his dx. He has this problem (name problem) and he needs this to overcome it (name therapy or cue provided or whatever solution is developed.) If you push hard to focus people on the problems and how to handle them, you might be able to get somewhere.

Roxanna

Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

So about 4 weeks ago Jakob switched schools so that he could go to a school closer to our home and they switched him from the BSP program to the Austic LD program. Apparently he had been doing his work with no problems. Then today I get a note sent home that said;

Ms. ,

Mr. Brown, Mrs. Gresham and myself would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience. Please let us know when you are available to meet with us. Thanks, Mrs. Dickinson.

So I called to find out what is going on. Mrs. Dickinsons proceeds to tell me that Jakob is refusing to do any work. He is keeping them from teaching the other children. He wants them to sit next to him and take him step by step or do it for him. She thought he wasn't listening yesterday in Social Studies, but when she quized him verbally he knew every answer. She said he can't go on to the 2nd grade if he can't put his work down on paper. She said they all know he is capable, but he

just won't do the work.. She said that they are all frustrated. They are worried about the time that is taken away from the other children and now worried that his school isn't the place for him. So here we are back on the same boat and left to wonder, why doesn't my child have a place to be educated, after all it is his right to a FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION. Unless I missed something, it didn't say anything about exception. Or exclusion, for that matter.

I just don't know what to do now. I certainly can't go back in there and feel as though Jakob doesn't belong or that he is an outsider! And here I thought we'd found the perfect place. Wrong AGAIN!

March 18, 2010

What is not part of his IEP - the OT or the FBA?

Roxanna

Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

They are required by law to educate him. If that means they give him an IEP and a one to one Aide well then thats what he should be getting. I would say do NOT allow this school to do this to him by saying "this isn't the place for him". There are reasons why he isn't wanting to do the work. They just need to explore WHY he wont do the work, he obviously knows the work. Sounds to me like its a lil hard and they are giving up way to easily. I dont know all the details but I've been down this road before so it feels the same. I would push them. Does he have an IEP or a plan in IDEA??

On Mar 17, 2010, at 1:11 PM, wrote:

So about 4 weeks ago Jakob switched schools so that he could go to a school closer to our home and they switched him from the BSP program to the Austic LD program. Apparently he had been doing his work with no problems. Then today I get a note sent home that said;

Ms. ,

Mr. Brown, Mrs. Gresham and myself would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience. Please let us know when you are available to meet with us. Thanks, Mrs. Dickinson.

So I called to find out what is going on. Mrs. Dickinsons proceeds to tell me that Jakob is refusing to do any work. He is keeping them from teaching the other children. He wants them to sit next to him and take him step by step or do it for him. She thought he wasn't listening yesterday in Social Studies, but when she quized him verbally he knew every answer. She said he can't go on to the 2nd grade if he can't put his work down on paper. She said they all know he is capable, but he

just won't do the work.. She said that they are all frustrated. They are worried about the time that is taken away from the other children and now worried that his school isn't the place for him. So here we are back on the same boat and left to wonder, why doesn't my child have a place to be educated, after all it is his right to a FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION. Unless I missed something, it didn't say anything about exception. Or exclusion, for that matter.

I just don't know what to do now. I certainly can't go back in there and feel as though Jakob doesn't belong or that he is an outsider! And here I thought we'd found the perfect place. Wrong AGAIN!

â€œHere's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes... the ones who see things differently -- they're not fond of rules... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things... they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do.â€ - Steve Jobs

March 18, 2010

I was told that FBA is not, but in fact it is and I high lighted it for them to see on Monday. OT was suppose to be and it is not, but it will be after Monday. TeamJakobSupport children with Aspergers,With your support their is no limit to Jakob's success!!

From: Roxanna <MadIdeas@...> Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 7:49:55 PMSubject: Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

What is not part of his IEP - the OT or the FBA?

RoxannaWhenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

They are required by law to educate him. If that means they give him an IEP and a one to one Aide well then thats what he should be getting. I would say do NOT allow this school to do this to him by saying "this isn't the place for him". There are reasons why he isn't wanting to do the work. They just need to explore WHY he wont do the work, he obviously knows the work. Sounds to me like its a lil hard and they are giving up way to easily. I dont know all the details but I've been down this road before so it feels the same. I would push them. Does he have an IEP or a plan in IDEA??

On Mar 17, 2010, at 1:11 PM, wrote:

So about 4 weeks ago Jakob switched schools so that he could go to a school closer to our home and they switched him from the BSP program to the Austic LD program. Apparently he had been doing his work with no problems. Then today I get a note sent home that said;Ms. ,Mr. Brown, Mrs. Gresham and myself would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience. Please let us know when you are available to meet with us. Thanks, Mrs. Dickinson.So I called to find out what is going on. Mrs. Dickinsons proceeds to tell me that Jakob is refusing to do any work. He is keeping them from teaching the other children. He wants them to sit next to him and take him step by step or do it for him. She thought he wasn't listening yesterday in Social Studies, but when she quized him verbally he knew every answer. She said he can't go on to the 2nd grade if he can't put his work down on paper. She said they all know he is capable, but he

just won't do the work.. She said that they are all frustrated. They are worried about the time that is taken away from the other children and now worried that his school isn't the place for him. So here we are back on the same boat and left to wonder, why doesn't my child have a place to be educated, after all it is his right to a FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION. Unless I missed something, it didn't say anything about exception. Or exclusion, for that matter. I just don't know what to do now. I certainly can't go back in there and feel as though Jakob doesn't belong or that he is an outsider! And here I thought we'd found the perfect place. Wrong AGAIN!

â€œHere's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes... the ones who see things differently -- they're not fond of rules... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things... they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do.â€ - Steve Jobs

March 18, 2010

! Rooting for you over here! That is actually against the law not implementing things that are in his IEP. I dont know much about it but I do know they HAVE to go by what the IEP says. Keep us posted and we are rooting for Jakob!! On Mar 18, 2010, at 5:45 AM, wrote:

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He does have an IEP. Although, they are not implementing everything on it and refuse to put him in a smaller class setting. I kept him home today until we are our meeting tomorrow and figure out what is best for Jakob. What I decide is best for Jakob, not the schools. Thanks for responding! TeamJakobSupport children with Aspergers,With your support their is no limit to Jakob's success!!

From: Byrne <kabobecatbox (DOT) net> Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 10:14:03 PMSubject: Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused! They are required by law to educate him. If that means they give him an IEP and a one to one Aide well then thats what he should be getting. I would say do NOT allow this school to do this to him by saying "this isn't the place for him". There are reasons why he isn't wanting to do the work. They just need to explore WHY he wont do the work, he obviously knows the work. Sounds to me like its a lil hard and they are giving up way to easily. I dont know all the details but I've been down this road before so it feels the same. I would push them. Does he have an IEP or a plan in IDEA??

On Mar 17, 2010, at 1:11 PM, wrote:

So about 4 weeks ago Jakob switched schools so that he could go to a school closer to our home and they switched him from the BSP program to the Austic LD program. Apparently he had been doing his work with no problems. Then today I get a note sent home that said;Ms. ,Mr. Brown, Mrs. Gresham and myself would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience. Please let us know when you are available to meet with us. Thanks, Mrs. Dickinson.So I called to find out what is going on. Mrs. Dickinsons proceeds to tell me that Jakob is refusing to do any work. He is keeping them from teaching the other children. He wants them to sit next to him and take him step by step or do it for him. She thought he wasn't listening yesterday in Social Studies, but when she quized him verbally he knew every answer. She said he can't go on to the 2nd grade if he can't put his work down on paper. She said they all know he is capable, but he

just won't do the work.. She said that they are all frustrated. They are worried about the time that is taken away from the other children and now worried that his school isn't the place for him. So here we are back on the same boat and left to wonder, why doesn't my child have a place to be educated, after all it is his right to a FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION. Unless I missed something, it didn't say anything about exception. Or exclusion, for that matter. I just don't know what to do now. I certainly can't go back in there and feel as though Jakob doesn't belong or that he is an outsider! And here I thought we'd found the perfect place. Wrong AGAIN!

“Here's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes... the ones who see things differently -- they're not fond of rules... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things... they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do.” - Steve Jobs

March 18, 2010

Praying for you !! Dont take their guff!! You know your child!! I think they are worried because they KNOW they aren't implementing his IEP!! Go get em!! Praying for you!! On Mar 18, 2010, at 11:41 AM, wrote:

Somebody better hold me back. One of his teacher just called and when I started to question things she said "everything is a process and to take a deep breath and calm down." I was merely asking question about the Functional Behavior Assessment and whether or not the OT has been in to see him. Which she states is not apart of his IEP! We discussed this. Holly beef sticks, I just don't know! I can see though, that what I thought was going on, obviously isn't. So now its time to grab the bull by the horn and take over. Look out Big Mamas coming, and she ain't happy! Hope they can last longer than 8 seconds, riding this bull, because I know I sure can! I need to go pray! TeamJakobSupport children with Aspergers,With your support their is no limit to Jakob's success!!

From: <teamjakob06 > Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 8:45:56 AMSubject: Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

,

He does have an IEP. Although, they are not implementing everything on it and refuse to put him in a smaller class setting. I kept him home today until we are our meeting tomorrow and figure out what is best for Jakob. What I decide is best for Jakob, not the schools. Thanks for responding! TeamJakobSupport children with Aspergers,With your support their is no limit to Jakob's success!!

From: Byrne <kabobecatbox (DOT) net> Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 10:14:03 PMSubject: Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused! They are required by law to educate him. If that means they give him an IEP and a one to one Aide well then thats what he should be getting. I would say do NOT allow this school to do this to him by saying "this isn't the place for him". There are reasons why he isn't wanting to do the work. They just need to explore WHY he wont do the work, he obviously knows the work. Sounds to me like its a lil hard and they are giving up way to easily. I dont know all the details but I've been down this road before so it feels the same. I would push them. Does he have an IEP or a plan in IDEA??

On Mar 17, 2010, at 1:11 PM, wrote:

So about 4 weeks ago Jakob switched schools so that he could go to a school closer to our home and they switched him from the BSP program to the Austic LD program. Apparently he had been doing his work with no problems. Then today I get a note sent home that said;Ms. ,Mr. Brown, Mrs. Gresham and myself would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience. Please let us know when you are available to meet with us. Thanks, Mrs. Dickinson.So I called to find out what is going on. Mrs. Dickinsons proceeds to tell me that Jakob is refusing to do any work. He is keeping them from teaching the other children. He wants them to sit next to him and take him step by step or do it for him. She thought he wasn't listening yesterday in Social Studies, but when she quized him verbally he knew every answer. She said he can't go on to the 2nd grade if he can't put his work down on paper. She said they all know he is capable, but he

just won't do the work.. She said that they are all frustrated. They are worried about the time that is taken away from the other children and now worried that his school isn't the place for him. So here we are back on the same boat and left to wonder, why doesn't my child have a place to be educated, after all it is his right to a FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION. Unless I missed something, it didn't say anything about exception. Or exclusion, for that matter. I just don't know what to do now. I certainly can't go back in there and feel as though Jakob doesn't belong or that he is an outsider! And here I thought we'd found the perfect place. Wrong AGAIN!

“Here's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes... the ones who see things differently -- they're not fond of rules... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things... they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do.” - Steve Jobs

March 18, 2010

I agree with Roxanna. I just find it odd that anyone running an Autistic LD

class would be perplexed by his behavior and pass the problem off to the parents

to solve. Talk to the teacher(s) and see if there are some reinforcers or

punishments from home that could be incorporated into the school environment

(either directly or through you at home), and try to find out what he dislikes

about school. Get an ABA (behavior mod) person in to observe and see if there

is something they are missing.

Be extremely aggressive with documentation. Keep all of his schoolwork and any

notes they give you, communicate via email, and perhaps get some outside

academic evaluations done periodically. If what the public school is doing,

isn't working, you might have a good case for private school at public expense.

With these issues, call an IEP team meeting to address the problem, and you

might want to record it for documentation sake(find out the laws in your state

regarding recording IEP meetings).

>

> Roxanna

> Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

>

> ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now

what? " I so confused!

>

> So about 4 weeks ago Jakob switched schools so that he could go to a school

closer to our home and they switched him from the BSP program to the Austic LD

program. Apparently he had been doing his work with no problems. Then today I

get a note sent home that said;

>

> Ms. ,

>

> Mr. Brown, Mrs. Gresham and myself would like to meet with you at your

earliest convenience. Please let us know when you are available to meet with us.

Thanks, Mrs. Dickinson.

>

> So I called to find out what is going on. Mrs. Dickinsons proceeds to tell me

that Jakob is refusing to do any work. He is keeping them from teaching the

other children. He wants them to sit next to him and take him step by step or do

it for him. She thought he wasn't listening yesterday in Social Studies, but

when she quized him verbally he knew every answer. She said he can't go on to

the 2nd grade if he can't put his work down on paper. She said they all know he

is capable, but he just won't do the work.. She said that they are all

frustrated. They are worried about the time that is taken away from the other

children and now worried that his school isn't the place for him. So here we are

back on the same boat and left to wonder, why doesn't my child have a place to

be educated, after all it is his right to a FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION. Unless I

missed something, it didn't say anything about exception. Or exclusion, for that

matter.

>

> I just don't know what to do now. I certainly can't go back in there and feel

as though Jakob doesn't belong or that he is an outsider! And here I thought

we'd found the perfect place. Wrong AGAIN!

>

March 19, 2010

The part about reinforcers or punishments from home, here's my problem when I talk to Jakob at home about things he does, he either seem to not have a clue as to what I am talking about or gives me an adult reason why he reacted the way he did. For example, I got a note saying that Jakob took another kids pencil from him and refused to give it back. So when I talked to Jakob about it, Jakob tells me that "well the other kid was smacking his pencil on his desk and it was hurting my brain, I asked him to stop, but he did it more. So I took his pencil to try to show hium how we use pencils, but they wouldn't stop talking so much to listen to me." When I ask them about this, they automatically turn it around on Jakob and will not even tell me if the other child was actually doing what Jakob said he was doing. They said "its not about the other child". Then I got a note that said a Jakob wouldn't walk quitely down the hall,

he was flapping his arms and spinning like a tornado. So I asked him about it. He looked at me with this strange look on his face, like what are you talking about. He said I didn't walk down the hall with my class, I sat in Mr. Browns office all day. I asked him why he sat in Mr. Browns office all day. He told me because I kept asking for help and they said they couldn't sit by me all day, so I got up and was spinning around trying to get my brain to work for me.

So you see, theres to sides of every story and one side is telling what actually happens and they other isn't so much. In these cases, I don't know who to believe. TeamJakobSupport children with Aspergers,With your support their is no limit to Jakob's success!!

From: bucaroobonzai2003 <ssernaker@...> Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 1:48:32 AMSubject: Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

I agree with Roxanna. I just find it odd that anyone running an Autistic LD class would be perplexed by his behavior and pass the problem off to the parents to solve. Talk to the teacher(s) and see if there are some reinforcers or punishments from home that could be incorporated into the school environment (either directly or through you at home), and try to find out what he dislikes about school. Get an ABA (behavior mod) person in to observe and see if there is something they are missing.Be extremely aggressive with documentation. Keep all of his schoolwork and any notes they give you, communicate via email, and perhaps get some outside academic evaluations done periodically. If what the public school is doing, isn't working, you might have a good case for private school at public expense. With these issues, call an IEP team meeting to address the problem, and you might want to record it for documentation sake(find out the laws in your state

regarding recording IEP meetings).> > Roxanna> Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.> > > > > > ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!> > > > > So about 4 weeks ago Jakob switched schools so that he could go to a school closer to our home and they switched him from the BSP program to the Austic LD program. Apparently he had been doing his work with no problems. Then today I get a note sent home that said;> > Ms. ,> > Mr. Brown, Mrs. Gresham and myself would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience. Please let us know when you are available to meet with us. Thanks, Mrs. Dickinson.> > So I called to find out what is going on. Mrs. Dickinsons proceeds to tell me that Jakob is refusing to do any work. He is keeping them from teaching the other children. He wants them to sit next to him and take him step by step or do it for him. She thought he wasn't listening yesterday in Social Studies, but when she

quized him verbally he knew every answer. She said he can't go on to the 2nd grade if he can't put his work down on paper. She said they all know he is capable, but he just won't do the work.. She said that they are all frustrated. They are worried about the time that is taken away from the other children and now worried that his school isn't the place for him. So here we are back on the same boat and left to wonder, why doesn't my child have a place to be educated, after all it is his right to a FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION. Unless I missed something, it didn't say anything about exception. Or exclusion, for that matter. > > I just don't know what to do now. I certainly can't go back in there and feel as though Jakob doesn't belong or that he is an outsider! And here I thought we'd found the perfect place. Wrong AGAIN!> > >

March 19, 2010

, This sounds so familiar to me. And you said this is a class room FOR Autistic kids??? Or am I wrong?? On Mar 19, 2010, at 5:41 AM, wrote:

The part about reinforcers or punishments from home, here's my problem when I talk to Jakob at home about things he does, he either seem to not have a clue as to what I am talking about or gives me an adult reason why he reacted the way he did. For example, I got a note saying that Jakob took another kids pencil from him and refused to give it back. So when I talked to Jakob about it, Jakob tells me that "well the other kid was smacking his pencil on his desk and it was hurting my brain, I asked him to stop, but he did it more. So I took his pencil to try to show hium how we use pencils, but they wouldn't stop talking so much to listen to me." When I ask them about this, they automatically turn it around on Jakob and will not even tell me if the other child was actually doing what Jakob said he was doing. They said "its not about the other child". Then I got a note that said a Jakob wouldn't walk quitely down the hall,

he was flapping his arms and spinning like a tornado. So I asked him about it. He looked at me with this strange look on his face, like what are you talking about. He said I didn't walk down the hall with my class, I sat in Mr. Browns office all day. I asked him why he sat in Mr. Browns office all day. He told me because I kept asking for help and they said they couldn't sit by me all day, so I got up and was spinning around trying to get my brain to work for me.

So you see, theres to sides of every story and one side is telling what actually happens and they other isn't so much. In these cases, I don't know who to believe. TeamJakobSupport children with Aspergers,With your support their is no limit to Jakob's success!!

From: bucaroobonzai2003 <ssernakerhotmail> Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 1:48:32 AMSubject: Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused! I agree with Roxanna. I just find it odd that anyone running an Autistic LD class would be perplexed by his behavior and pass the problem off to the parents to solve. Talk to the teacher(s) and see if there are some reinforcers or punishments from home that could be incorporated into the school environment (either directly or through you at home), and try to find out what he dislikes about school. Get an ABA (behavior mod) person in to observe and see if there is something they are missing.Be extremely aggressive with documentation. Keep all of his schoolwork and any notes they give you, communicate via email, and perhaps get some outside academic evaluations done periodically. If what the public school is doing, isn't working, you might have a good case for private school at public expense. With these issues, call an IEP team meeting to address the problem, and you might want to record it for documentation sake(find out the laws in your state

regarding recording IEP meetings).> > Roxanna> Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.> > > > > > ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!> > > > > So about 4 weeks ago Jakob switched schools so that he could go to a school closer to our home and they switched him from the BSP program to the Austic LD program. Apparently he had been doing his work with no problems. Then today I get a note sent home that said;> > Ms. ,> > Mr. Brown, Mrs. Gresham and myself would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience. Please let us know when you are available to meet with us. Thanks, Mrs. Dickinson.> > So I called to find out what is going on. Mrs. Dickinsons proceeds to tell me that Jakob is refusing to do any work. He is keeping them from teaching the other children. He wants them to sit next to him and take him step by step or do it for him. She thought he wasn't listening yesterday in Social Studies, but when she

quized him verbally he knew every answer. She said he can't go on to the 2nd grade if he can't put his work down on paper. She said they all know he is capable, but he just won't do the work.. She said that they are all frustrated. They are worried about the time that is taken away from the other children and now worried that his school isn't the place for him. So here we are back on the same boat and left to wonder, why doesn't my child have a place to be educated, after all it is his right to a FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION. Unless I missed something, it didn't say anything about exception. Or exclusion, for that matter. > > I just don't know what to do now. I certainly can't go back in there and feel as though Jakob doesn't belong or that he is an outsider! And here I thought we'd found the perfect place. Wrong AGAIN!> > >

“Here's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes... the ones who see things differently -- they're not fond of rules... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things... they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do.” - Steve Jobs

March 19, 2010

Couple of things for you to consider. I would want to go into the classroom and do observations myself. Have you done them before? Prepare your child so he's not suprized to see you there. You sit in the back of the room quietly and take notes on what you see. Be as inconspicuous as possible. While the teacher's will absolutely show their best sides, you'd be amazed how much you still get to see. They always revert to their old selves and you will see things worth noting.

The other thing you might consider is a FERPA request. That's a formal records request.You need to see what the school is putting in your child's file. You'll be able to see the observation notes the school has done and hasn't shared wtih you. (believe me, they exist) You'll get to see emails written about you and your child if they exist--if they don't destroy them if they're too incriminating. You'll get to see the notes written on your child's iep that the school maintains. YOu get the point--lot's of information that you don't currently have access to. You can google it online to see all about a FERPA request.

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 8:41 AM, <teamjakob06@...> wrote:

The part about reinforcers or punishments from home, here's my problem when I talk to Jakob at home about things he does, he either seem to not have a clue as to what I am talking about or gives me an adult reason why he reacted the way he did. For example, I got a note saying that Jakob took another kids pencil from him and refused to give it back. So when I talked to Jakob about it, Jakob tells me that " well the other kid was smacking his pencil on his desk and it was hurting my brain, I asked him to stop, but he did it more. So I took his pencil to try to show hium how we use pencils, but they wouldn't stop talking so much to listen to me. " When I ask them about this, they automatically turn it around on Jakob and will not even tell me if the other child was actually doing what Jakob said he was doing. They said " its not about the other child " . Then I got a note that said a Jakob wouldn't walk quitely down the hall, he was flapping his arms and spinning like a tornado. So I asked him about it. He looked at me with this strange look on his face, like what are you talking about. He said I didn't walk down the hall with my class, I sat in Mr. Browns office all day. I asked him why he sat in Mr. Browns office all day. He told me because I kept asking for help and they said they couldn't sit by me all day, so I got up and was spinning around trying to get my brain to work for me.

So you see, theres to sides of every story and one side is telling what actually happens and they other isn't so much. In these cases, I don't know who to believe. TeamJakobSupport children with

Aspergers,With your support their is no limit to Jakob's success!!

From: bucaroobonzai2003 <ssernaker@...>

Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 1:48:32 AMSubject: Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what? " I so confused!

I agree with Roxanna. I just find it odd that anyone running an Autistic LD class would be perplexed by his behavior and pass the problem off to the parents to solve. Talk to the teacher(s) and see if there are some reinforcers or punishments from home that could be incorporated into the school environment (either directly or through you at home), and try to find out what he dislikes about school. Get an ABA (behavior mod) person in to observe and see if there is something they are missing.

Be extremely aggressive with documentation. Keep all of his schoolwork and any notes they give you, communicate via email, and perhaps get some outside academic evaluations done periodically. If what the public school is doing, isn't working, you might have a good case for private school at public expense. With these issues, call an IEP team meeting to address the problem, and you might want to record it for documentation sake(find out the laws in your state regarding recording IEP meetings).

> > Roxanna> Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.> > > > > > ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what? " I so confused!> > >

> > So about 4 weeks ago Jakob switched schools so that he could go to a school closer to our home and they switched him from the BSP program to the Austic LD program. Apparently he had been doing his work with no problems. Then today I get a note sent home that said;

> > Ms. ,> > Mr. Brown, Mrs. Gresham and myself would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience. Please let us know when you are available to meet with us. Thanks, Mrs. Dickinson.

> > So I called to find out what is going on. Mrs. Dickinsons proceeds to tell me that Jakob is refusing to do any work. He is keeping them from teaching the other children. He wants them to sit next to him and take him step by step or do it for him. She thought he wasn't listening yesterday in Social Studies, but when she quized him verbally he knew every answer. She said he can't go on to the 2nd grade if he can't put his work down on paper. She said they all know he is capable, but he just won't do the work.. She said that they are all frustrated. They are worried about the time that is taken away from the other children and now worried that his school isn't the place for him. So here we are back on the same boat and left to wonder, why doesn't my child have a place to be educated, after all it is his right to a FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION. Unless I missed something, it didn't say anything about exception. Or exclusion, for that matter.

> > I just don't know what to do now. I certainly can't go back in there and feel as though Jakob doesn't belong or that he is an outsider! And here I thought we'd found the perfect place. Wrong AGAIN!

> > >

March 19, 2010

No, this is a mainstream class. They will not put him strickly in the Autistic class because the Principle says that he doesn't not want to change the environment for the other children. He is worried how they may react so late in the year to someone new. TeamJakobSupport children with Aspergers,With your support their is no limit to Jakob's success!!

From: Byrne <kabob@...> Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 12:55:33 PMSubject: Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

, This sounds so familiar to me. And you said this is a class room FOR Autistic kids??? Or am I wrong??

On Mar 19, 2010, at 5:41 AM, wrote:

The part about reinforcers or punishments from home, here's my problem when I talk to Jakob at home about things he does, he either seem to not have a clue as to what I am talking about or gives me an adult reason why he reacted the way he did. For example, I got a note saying that Jakob took another kids pencil from him and refused to give it back. So when I talked to Jakob about it, Jakob tells me that "well the other kid was smacking his pencil on his desk and it was hurting my brain, I asked him to stop, but he did it more. So I took his pencil to try to show hium how we use pencils, but they wouldn't stop talking so much to listen to me." When I ask them about this, they automatically turn it around on Jakob and will not even tell me if the other child was actually doing what Jakob said he was doing. They said "its not about the other child". Then I got a note that said a Jakob wouldn't walk quitely down the hall,

he was flapping his arms and spinning like a tornado. So I asked him about it. He looked at me with this strange look on his face, like what are you talking about. He said I didn't walk down the hall with my class, I sat in Mr. Browns office all day. I asked him why he sat in Mr. Browns office all day. He told me because I kept asking for help and they said they couldn't sit by me all day, so I got up and was spinning around trying to get my brain to work for me.

So you see, theres to sides of every story and one side is telling what actually happens and they other isn't so much. In these cases, I don't know who to believe. TeamJakobSupport children with Aspergers,With your support their is no limit to Jakob's success!!

From: bucaroobonzai2003 <ssernakerhotmail (DOT) com> Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 1:48:32 AMSubject: Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

I agree with Roxanna. I just find it odd that anyone running an Autistic LD class would be perplexed by his behavior and pass the problem off to the parents to solve. Talk to the teacher(s) and see if there are some reinforcers or punishments from home that could be incorporated into the school environment (either directly or through you at home), and try to find out what he dislikes about school. Get an ABA (behavior mod) person in to observe and see if there is something they are missing.Be extremely aggressive with documentation. Keep all of his schoolwork and any notes they give you, communicate via email, and perhaps get some outside academic evaluations done periodically. If what the public school is doing, isn't working, you might have a good case for private school at public expense. With these issues, call an IEP team meeting to address the problem, and you might want to record it for documentation sake(find out the laws in your state

regarding recording IEP meetings).> > Roxanna> Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.> > > > > > ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!> > > > > So about 4 weeks ago Jakob switched schools so that he could go to a school closer to our home and they switched him from the BSP program to the Austic LD program. Apparently he had been doing his work with no problems. Then today I get a note sent home that said;> > Ms. ,> > Mr. Brown, Mrs. Gresham and myself would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience. Please let us know when you are available to meet with us. Thanks, Mrs. Dickinson.> > So I called to find out what is going on. Mrs. Dickinsons proceeds to tell me that Jakob is refusing to do any work. He is keeping them from teaching the other children. He wants them to sit next to him and take him step by step or do it for him. She thought he wasn't listening yesterday in Social Studies, but

when she quized him verbally he knew every answer. She said he can't go on to the 2nd grade if he can't put his work down on paper. She said they all know he is capable, but he just won't do the work.. She said that they are all frustrated. They are worried about the time that is taken away from the other children and now worried that his school isn't the place for him. So here we are back on the same boat and left to wonder, why doesn't my child have a place to be educated, after all it is his right to a FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION. Unless I missed something, it didn't say anything about exception. Or exclusion, for that matter. > > I just don't know what to do now. I certainly can't go back in there and feel as though Jakob doesn't belong or that he is an outsider! And here I thought we'd found the perfect place. Wrong AGAIN!> > >

â€œHere's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes... the ones who see things differently -- they're not fond of rules... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things... they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do.â€ - Steve Jobs

March 19, 2010

Is that what they call it in every state? What does FERPA stand for? Thank you SOOOOO Very MUCH! TeamJakobSupport children with Aspergers,With your support their is no limit to Jakob's success!!

From: <doyourecycle@...> Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 1:05:57 PMSubject: Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

Couple of things for you to consider. I would want to go into the classroom and do observations myself. Have you done them before? Prepare your child so he's not suprized to see you there. You sit in the back of the room quietly and take notes on what you see. Be as inconspicuous as possible. While the teacher's will absolutely show their best sides, you'd be amazed how much you still get to see. They always revert to their old selves and you will see things worth noting.

The other thing you might consider is a FERPA request. That's a formal records request.You need to see what the school is putting in your child's file. You'll be able to see the observation notes the school has done and hasn't shared wtih you. (believe me, they exist) You'll get to see emails written about you and your child if they exist--if they don't destroy them if they're too incriminating. You'll get to see the notes written on your child's iep that the school maintains. YOu get the point--lot's of information that you don't currently have access to. You can google it online to see all about a FERPA request.

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 8:41 AM, <teamjakob06> wrote:

The part about reinforcers or punishments from home, here's my problem when I talk to Jakob at home about things he does, he either seem to not have a clue as to what I am talking about or gives me an adult reason why he reacted the way he did. For example, I got a note saying that Jakob took another kids pencil from him and refused to give it back. So when I talked to Jakob about it, Jakob tells me that "well the other kid was smacking his pencil on his desk and it was hurting my brain, I asked him to stop, but he did it more. So I took his pencil to try to show hium how we use pencils, but they wouldn't stop talking so much to listen to me." When I ask them about this, they automatically turn it around on Jakob and will not even tell me if the other child was actually doing what Jakob said he was doing. They said "its not about the other child". Then I got a note that said a Jakob wouldn't walk quitely down the hall,

he was flapping his arms and spinning like a tornado. So I asked him about it. He looked at me with this strange look on his face, like what are you talking about. He said I didn't walk down the hall with my class, I sat in Mr. Browns office all day. I asked him why he sat in Mr. Browns office all day. He told me because I kept asking for help and they said they couldn't sit by me all day, so I got up and was spinning around trying to get my brain to work for me.

So you see, theres to sides of every story and one side is telling what actually happens and they other isn't so much. In these cases, I don't know who to believe. TeamJakobSupport children with Aspergers,With your support their is no limit to Jakob's success!!

From: bucaroobonzai2003 <ssernakerhotmail (DOT) com> Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 1:48:32 AMSubject: Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

I agree with Roxanna. I just find it odd that anyone running an Autistic LD class would be perplexed by his behavior and pass the problem off to the parents to solve. Talk to the teacher(s) and see if there are some reinforcers or punishments from home that could be incorporated into the school environment (either directly or through you at home), and try to find out what he dislikes about school. Get an ABA (behavior mod) person in to observe and see if there is something they are missing.Be extremely aggressive with documentation. Keep all of his schoolwork and any notes they give you, communicate via email, and perhaps get some outside academic evaluations done periodically. If what the public school is doing, isn't working, you might have a good case for private school at public expense. With these issues, call an IEP team meeting to address the problem, and you might want to record it for documentation sake(find out the laws in your state

regarding recording IEP meetings).> > Roxanna> Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.> > > > > > ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!> > > > > So about 4 weeks ago Jakob switched schools so that he could go to a school closer to our home and they switched him from the BSP program to the Austic LD program. Apparently he had been doing his work with no problems. Then today I get a note sent home that said;> > Ms. ,> > Mr. Brown, Mrs. Gresham and myself would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience. Please let us know when you are available to meet with us. Thanks, Mrs. Dickinson.> > So I called to find out what is going on. Mrs. Dickinsons proceeds to tell me that Jakob is refusing to do any work. He is keeping them from teaching the other children. He wants them to sit next to him and take him step by step or do it for him. She thought he wasn't listening yesterday in Social Studies, but

when she quized him verbally he knew every answer. She said he can't go on to the 2nd grade if he can't put his work down on paper. She said they all know he is capable, but he just won't do the work.. She said that they are all frustrated. They are worried about the time that is taken away from the other children and now worried that his school isn't the place for him. So here we are back on the same boat and left to wonder, why doesn't my child have a place to be educated, after all it is his right to a FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION. Unless I missed something, it didn't say anything about exception. Or exclusion, for that matter. > > I just don't know what to do now. I certainly can't go back in there and feel as though Jakob doesn't belong or that he is an outsider! And here I thought we'd found the perfect place. Wrong AGAIN!> > >

March 20, 2010

I would believe your son! next time, ask the teacher what happened just before Jakob took the boys pencil. (or just before Jakob did whatever)..... If she says she doesn't know - then she doesn't know the whole story...Sounds like the teacher is making Jakob a target. the children are picking up on that too and they are picking on him more. maybe next time the teacher can say to the other child - why did Jakob take your pencil. put the focus on the other child instead of always on Jakob.

My son use to spin in the hallways because he was overwhelmed. in 1st and 2nd grade - his teacher was always picking on my son because it was easy. He didn't complain back or explain his side of what happened. easy right.....

From: <teamjakob06@...> Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 8:41:19 AMSubject: Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

The part about reinforcers or punishments from home, here's my problem when I talk to Jakob at home about things he does, he either seem to not have a clue as to what I am talking about or gives me an adult reason why he reacted the way he did. For example, I got a note saying that Jakob took another kids pencil from him and refused to give it back. So when I talked to Jakob about it, Jakob tells me that "well the other kid was smacking his pencil on his desk and it was hurting my brain, I asked him to stop, but he did it more. So I took his pencil to try to show hium how we use pencils, but they wouldn't stop talking so much to listen to me." When I ask them about this, they automatically turn it around on Jakob and will not even tell me if the other child was actually doing what Jakob said he was doing. They said "its not about the other child". Then I got a note that said a Jakob wouldn't walk quitely down the hall,

he was flapping his arms and spinning like a tornado. So I asked him about it. He looked at me with this strange look on his face, like what are you talking about. He said I didn't walk down the hall with my class, I sat in Mr. Browns office all day. I asked him why he sat in Mr. Browns office all day. He told me because I kept asking for help and they said they couldn't sit by me all day, so I got up and was spinning around trying to get my brain to work for me.

So you see, theres to sides of every story and one side is telling what actually happens and they other isn't so much. In these cases, I don't know who to believe. TeamJakobSupport children with Aspergers,With your support their is no limit to Jakob's success!!

From: bucaroobonzai2003 <ssernakerhotmail (DOT) com> Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 1:48:32 AMSubject: Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

I agree with Roxanna. I just find it odd that anyone running an Autistic LD class would be perplexed by his behavior and pass the problem off to the parents to solve. Talk to the teacher(s) and see if there are some reinforcers or punishments from home that could be incorporated into the school environment (either directly or through you at home), and try to find out what he dislikes about school. Get an ABA (behavior mod) person in to observe and see if there is something they are missing.Be extremely aggressive with documentation. Keep all of his schoolwork and any notes they give you, communicate via email, and perhaps get some outside academic evaluations done periodically. If what the public school is doing, isn't working, you might have a good case for private school at public expense. With these issues, call an IEP team meeting to address the problem, and you might want to record it for documentation sake(find out the laws in your state

regarding recording IEP meetings).> > Roxanna> Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.> > > > > > ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!> > > > > So about 4 weeks ago Jakob switched schools so that he could go to a school closer to our home and they switched him from the BSP program to the Austic LD program. Apparently he had been doing his work with no problems. Then today I get a note sent home that said;> > Ms. ,> > Mr. Brown, Mrs. Gresham and myself would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience. Please let us know when you are available to meet with us. Thanks, Mrs. Dickinson.> > So I called to find out what is going on. Mrs. Dickinsons proceeds to tell me that Jakob is refusing to do any work. He is keeping them from teaching the other children. He wants them to sit next to him and take him step by step or do it for him. She thought he wasn't listening yesterday in Social Studies, but

when she quized him verbally he knew every answer. She said he can't go on to the 2nd grade if he can't put his work down on paper. She said they all know he is capable, but he just won't do the work.. She said that they are all frustrated. They are worried about the time that is taken away from the other children and now worried that his school isn't the place for him. So here we are back on the same boat and left to wonder, why doesn't my child have a place to be educated, after all it is his right to a FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION. Unless I missed something, it didn't say anything about exception. Or exclusion, for that matter. > > I just don't know what to do now. I certainly can't go back in there and feel as though Jakob doesn't belong or that he is an outsider! And here I thought we'd found the perfect place. Wrong AGAIN!> > >

March 20, 2010

,

GREAT INFO! I didn't know that. I continued to read more about it under the wrights law and saw more things I didn't know. Thanks for posting that.

Rose

From: <doyourecycle@...> Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 1:05:57 PMSubject: Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

Couple of things for you to consider. I would want to go into the classroom and do observations myself. Have you done them before? Prepare your child so he's not suprized to see you there. You sit in the back of the room quietly and take notes on what you see. Be as inconspicuous as possible. While the teacher's will absolutely show their best sides, you'd be amazed how much you still get to see. They always revert to their old selves and you will see things worth noting.

The other thing you might consider is a FERPA request. That's a formal records request.You need to see what the school is putting in your child's file. You'll be able to see the observation notes the school has done and hasn't shared wtih you. (believe me, they exist) You'll get to see emails written about you and your child if they exist--if they don't destroy them if they're too incriminating. You'll get to see the notes written on your child's iep that the school maintains. YOu get the point--lot's of information that you don't currently have access to. You can google it online to see all about a FERPA request.

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 8:41 AM, <teamjakob06> wrote:

The part about reinforcers or punishments from home, here's my problem when I talk to Jakob at home about things he does, he either seem to not have a clue as to what I am talking about or gives me an adult reason why he reacted the way he did. For example, I got a note saying that Jakob took another kids pencil from him and refused to give it back. So when I talked to Jakob about it, Jakob tells me that "well the other kid was smacking his pencil on his desk and it was hurting my brain, I asked him to stop, but he did it more. So I took his pencil to try to show hium how we use pencils, but they wouldn't stop talking so much to listen to me." When I ask them about this, they automatically turn it around on Jakob and will not even tell me if the other child was actually doing what Jakob said he was doing. They said "its not about the other child". Then I got a note that said a Jakob wouldn't walk quitely down the hall,

he was flapping his arms and spinning like a tornado. So I asked him about it. He looked at me with this strange look on his face, like what are you talking about. He said I didn't walk down the hall with my class, I sat in Mr. Browns office all day. I asked him why he sat in Mr. Browns office all day. He told me because I kept asking for help and they said they couldn't sit by me all day, so I got up and was spinning around trying to get my brain to work for me.

So you see, theres to sides of every story and one side is telling what actually happens and they other isn't so much. In these cases, I don't know who to believe. TeamJakobSupport children with Aspergers,With your support their is no limit to Jakob's success!!

From: bucaroobonzai2003 <ssernakerhotmail (DOT) com> Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 1:48:32 AMSubject: Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

I agree with Roxanna. I just find it odd that anyone running an Autistic LD class would be perplexed by his behavior and pass the problem off to the parents to solve. Talk to the teacher(s) and see if there are some reinforcers or punishments from home that could be incorporated into the school environment (either directly or through you at home), and try to find out what he dislikes about school. Get an ABA (behavior mod) person in to observe and see if there is something they are missing.Be extremely aggressive with documentation. Keep all of his schoolwork and any notes they give you, communicate via email, and perhaps get some outside academic evaluations done periodically. If what the public school is doing, isn't working, you might have a good case for private school at public expense. With these issues, call an IEP team meeting to address the problem, and you might want to record it for documentation sake(find out the laws in your state

regarding recording IEP meetings).> > Roxanna> Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.> > > > > > ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!> > > > > So about 4 weeks ago Jakob switched schools so that he could go to a school closer to our home and they switched him from the BSP program to the Austic LD program. Apparently he had been doing his work with no problems. Then today I get a note sent home that said;> > Ms. ,> > Mr. Brown, Mrs. Gresham and myself would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience. Please let us know when you are available to meet with us. Thanks, Mrs. Dickinson.> > So I called to find out what is going on. Mrs. Dickinsons proceeds to tell me that Jakob is refusing to do any work. He is keeping them from teaching the other children. He wants them to sit next to him and take him step by step or do it for him. She thought he wasn't listening yesterday in Social Studies, but

when she quized him verbally he knew every answer. She said he can't go on to the 2nd grade if he can't put his work down on paper. She said they all know he is capable, but he just won't do the work.. She said that they are all frustrated. They are worried about the time that is taken away from the other children and now worried that his school isn't the place for him. So here we are back on the same boat and left to wonder, why doesn't my child have a place to be educated, after all it is his right to a FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION. Unless I missed something, it didn't say anything about exception. Or exclusion, for that matter. > > I just don't know what to do now. I certainly can't go back in there and feel as though Jakob doesn't belong or that he is an outsider! And here I thought we'd found the perfect place. Wrong AGAIN!> > >

March 21, 2010

Well, not everyone with an IEP has an FBA/BP attached. But you can certainly attach it. You should describe the behaviors he has in his present levels anyway and you can even mention there that he has a behavior plan. I would not let the teacher upset you. It sounds like she is lost. <g>

Roxanna

Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

They are required by law to educate him. If that means they give him an IEP and a one to one Aide well then thats what he should be getting. I would say do NOT allow this school to do this to him by saying "this isn't the place for him". There are reasons why he isn't wanting to do the work. They just need to explore WHY he wont do the work, he obviously knows the work. Sounds to me like its a lil hard and they are giving up way to easily. I dont know all the details but I've been down this road before so it feels the same. I would push them. Does he have an IEP or a plan in IDEA??

On Mar 17, 2010, at 1:11 PM, wrote:

So about 4 weeks ago Jakob switched schools so that he could go to a school closer to our home and they switched him from the BSP program to the Austic LD program. Apparently he had been doing his work with no problems. Then today I get a note sent home that said;

Ms. ,

Mr. Brown, Mrs. Gresham and myself would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience. Please let us know when you are available to meet with us. Thanks, Mrs. Dickinson.

So I called to find out what is going on. Mrs. Dickinsons proceeds to tell me that Jakob is refusing to do any work. He is keeping them from teaching the other children. He wants them to sit next to him and take him step by step or do it for him. She thought he wasn't listening yesterday in Social Studies, but when she quized him verbally he knew every answer. She said he can't go on to the 2nd grade if he can't put his work down on paper. She said they all know he is capable, but he

just won't do the work.. She said that they are all frustrated. They are worried about the time that is taken away from the other children and now worried that his school isn't the place for him. So here we are back on the same boat and left to wonder, why doesn't my child have a place to be educated, after all it is his right to a FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION. Unless I missed something, it didn't say anything about exception. Or exclusion, for that matter.

I just don't know what to do now. I certainly can't go back in there and feel as though Jakob doesn't belong or that he is an outsider! And here I thought we'd found the perfect place. Wrong AGAIN!

â€œHere's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes... the ones who see things differently -- they're not fond of rules... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things... they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do.â€ - Steve Jobs

March 21, 2010

Wow, what an interesting group you get to work with. Of course it is about the other child. Jakob is having problems interacting with others and this comes out as behaviors. So we do need to know what is going on around him and that includes what the other kids are doing or not doing, etc. It's all part of the package.

As for punishing him at home, I would not do it. I would reinforce his lessons at home (i.e. homework, practice reading, multiplication, etc.) but if he misbehaves at school, other than discussing it with him to figure out what is going on, I'd not do anything else. Well, I should say that for some kids, that might help (punish/reward at home for what happens at school.) But many kids with AS/HFA do not connect the dots and will not connect what you are doing at home with what happened at school. You sound like you really need a complete FBA done by a professional. Then you can design a BP that works (at school!)

Roxanna

Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

>

> So about 4 weeks ago Jakob switched schools so that he could go to a school closer to our home and they switched him from the BSP program to the Austic LD program. Apparently he had been doing his work with no problems. Then today I get a note sent home that said;

>

> Ms. ,

>

> Mr. Brown, Mrs. Gresham and myself would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience. Please let us know when you are available to meet with us. Thanks, Mrs. Dickinson.

>

> So I called to find out what is going on. Mrs. Dickinsons proceeds to tell me that Jakob is refusing to do any work. He is keeping them from teaching the other children. He wants them to sit next to him and take him step by step or do it for him. She thought he wasn't listening yesterday in Social Studies, but when she

quized him verbally he knew every answer. She said he can't go on to the 2nd grade if he can't put his work down on paper. She said they all know he is capable, but he just won't do the work.. She said that they are all frustrated. They are worried about the time that is taken away from the other children and now worried that his school isn't the place for him. So here we are back on the same boat and left to wonder, why doesn't my child have a place to be educated, after all it is his right to a FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION. Unless I missed something, it didn't say anything about exception. Or exclusion, for that matter.

>

> I just don't know what to do now. I certainly can't go back in there and feel as though Jakob doesn't belong or that he is an outsider! And here I thought we'd found the perfect place. Wrong AGAIN!

>

March 21, 2010

The teacher told me she looked through his IEP and there was no FBA, infact there is and I highlighted it for them. Tomorrow I hope to turn the tables and hopefully get them to start being accountable! Though I am not sure exactly what is going to happen. Anyone have any suggestion or things I should ask and what not? TeamJakobSupport children with Aspergers,With your support their is no limit to Jakob's success!!

From: Roxanna <MadIdeas@...> Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 9:11:15 PMSubject: Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

Well, not everyone with an IEP has an FBA/BP attached. But you can certainly attach it. You should describe the behaviors he has in his present levels anyway and you can even mention there that he has a behavior plan. I would not let the teacher upset you. It sounds like she is lost. <g>

RoxannaWhenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

Re: ( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

They are required by law to educate him. If that means they give him an IEP and a one to one Aide well then thats what he should be getting. I would say do NOT allow this school to do this to him by saying "this isn't the place for him". There are reasons why he isn't wanting to do the work. They just need to explore WHY he wont do the work, he obviously knows the work. Sounds to me like its a lil hard and they are giving up way to easily. I dont know all the details but I've been down this road before so it feels the same. I would push them. Does he have an IEP or a plan in IDEA??

On Mar 17, 2010, at 1:11 PM, wrote:

So about 4 weeks ago Jakob switched schools so that he could go to a school closer to our home and they switched him from the BSP program to the Austic LD program. Apparently he had been doing his work with no problems. Then today I get a note sent home that said;Ms. ,Mr. Brown, Mrs. Gresham and myself would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience. Please let us know when you are available to meet with us. Thanks, Mrs. Dickinson.So I called to find out what is going on. Mrs. Dickinsons proceeds to tell me that Jakob is refusing to do any work. He is keeping them from teaching the other children. He wants them to sit next to him and take him step by step or do it for him. She thought he wasn't listening yesterday in Social Studies, but when she quized him verbally he knew every answer. She said he can't go on to the 2nd grade if he can't put his work down on paper. She said they all know he is capable, but he

just won't do the work.. She said that they are all frustrated. They are worried about the time that is taken away from the other children and now worried that his school isn't the place for him. So here we are back on the same boat and left to wonder, why doesn't my child have a place to be educated, after all it is his right to a FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION. Unless I missed something, it didn't say anything about exception. Or exclusion, for that matter. I just don't know what to do now. I certainly can't go back in there and feel as though Jakob doesn't belong or that he is an outsider! And here I thought we'd found the perfect place. Wrong AGAIN!

â€œHere's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes... the ones who see things differently -- they're not fond of rules... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things... they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do.â€ - Steve Jobs

March 21, 2010

Jakob's placement should be based on Jakob's needs, not on anyone else's needs. The law says to create an IEP based on his needs.

Roxanna

Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

( ) They say " the honeymoon period is over, now what?" I so confused!

>

> So about 4 weeks ago Jakob switched schools so that he could go to a school closer to our home and they switched him from the BSP program to the Austic LD program. Apparently he had been doing his work with no problems. Then today I get a note sent home that said;

>

> Ms. ,

>

> Mr. Brown, Mrs. Gresham and myself would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience. Please let us know when you are available to meet with us. Thanks, Mrs. Dickinson.

>

> So I called to find out what is going on. Mrs. Dickinsons proceeds to tell me that Jakob is refusing to do any work. He is keeping them from teaching the other children. He wants them to sit next to him and take him step by step or do it for him. She thought he wasn't listening yesterday in Social Studies, but

when she quized him verbally he knew every answer. She said he can't go on to the 2nd grade if he can't put his work down on paper. She said they all know he is capable, but he just won't do the work.. She said that they are all frustrated. They are worried about the time that is taken away from the other children and now worried that his school isn't the place for him. So here we are back on the same boat and left to wonder, why doesn't my child have a place to be educated, after all it is his right to a FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION. Unless I missed something, it didn't say anything about exception. Or exclusion, for that matter.

>

> I just don't know what to do now. I certainly can't go back in there and feel as though Jakob doesn't belong or that he is an outsider! And here I thought we'd found the perfect place. Wrong AGAIN!

>

â€œHere's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes... the ones who see things differently -- they're not fond of rules... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things... they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do.â€ - Steve Jobs

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