Guest guest Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 > > Hello, > > If I feel my daughter is not eating enough, is there a supplement that will give her the nutrients she needs while going through detox? Thank you. > ==>Eileen, the best thing is for your daughter to have plenty of Bee's Raw Egg Drink which provides the nutrients she needs, but she should always be taking the supplements recommended as well. Also she can have lots of bone broths. There are no magic supplements that replace real food. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Looks like isolated nutrients, synthetically made. Cheap? You get what you pay for -- full of fillers. What color is it? Artificial colors? Where do they get the ingredients for it? What is the capsule made of, veggie or horses hooves? Is there coal tar in the capsule? Or other preservatives? Is there sugar in it? Your body is not designed to digest isolated nutrients, but rather to extract them from real food. Eat food. Carol > > I have found a tablet which I can buy quite cheaply and locally - does > anyone have any comments as to its composition? > Ingredients % RDI > C-vitamin 500 mg 833 > B1-vitamin 15 mg 1071 > B2-vitamin 15 mg 938 > B3-vitamin 50 mg 278 > B5-vitamin 23 mg 383 > B6-vitamin 10 mg 500 > B12-vitamin 10 mikrog 1000 > Biotin 150 mikrog 100 > Folsyra 400 mikrog 200 > Kalcium 100 mg 13 > Magnesium 100 mg 33 > Zink 10 mg 67 > *RDI = Recommended daily dose* > > > Thank you > KJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 I can't handle high oxalate foods. I am diabetic, so all high carb foods are also out. If it were not for vitamins and supplements, I would be dead now. What is wrong with horse hooves in your opinion? No added colors in what I take. No preservatives either. The only supplement I take with added carbs is Miracle 2000, multi vitamin. Life is full of choices. Some are governed by economics. ome are governed by the need to treat pre-existing conditions. I had a crap diet when younger. I can maintain health thru supplements without needing to take diabetic drugs. And I have managed to reverse 75-90% of neuropathy, which the docs told me is not possible. I am happy with the choices I have made, but I don't push my choices on others. Alobar On 7/14/08, Carol <carol@...> wrote: > Looks like isolated nutrients, synthetically made. Cheap? You get > what you pay for -- full of fillers. What color is it? Artificial > colors? Where do they get the ingredients for it? What is the > capsule made of, veggie or horses hooves? Is there coal tar in the > capsule? Or other preservatives? Is there sugar in it? > > Your body is not designed to digest isolated nutrients, but rather to > extract them from real food. Eat food. > > Carol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Thank you Alobar for you inspiring posts. marie On Jul 14, 2008, at 6:15 PM, Alobar wrote: > I can't handle high oxalate foods. I am diabetic, so all high carb > foods are also out. If it were not for vitamins and supplements, I > would be dead now. > > What is wrong with horse hooves in your opinion? > > No added colors in what I take. No preservatives either. The only > supplement I take with added carbs is Miracle 2000, multi vitamin. > > Life is full of choices. Some are governed by economics. ome are > governed by the need to treat pre-existing conditions. I had a crap > diet when younger. I can maintain health thru supplements without > needing to take diabetic drugs. And I have managed to reverse 75-90% > of neuropathy, which the docs told me is not possible. > > I am happy with the choices I have made, but I don't push my choices > on others. > > Alobar > > On 7/14/08, Carol <carol@...> wrote: > > Looks like isolated nutrients, synthetically made. Cheap? You get > > what you pay for -- full of fillers. What color is it? Artificial > > colors? Where do they get the ingredients for it? What is the > > capsule made of, veggie or horses hooves? Is there coal tar in the > > capsule? Or other preservatives? Is there sugar in it? > > > > Your body is not designed to digest isolated nutrients, but rather > to > > extract them from real food. Eat food. > > > > Carol > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Hi Carol Here is an English language site about the tablet I was talking about and there is says what's in it and what's not in it ;-) . It is a big pharma product but it seems pretty OK to me. http://www.berocca.co.uk/about-berocca.htm Best wishes KJ Carol wrote: > Looks like isolated nutrients, synthetically made. Cheap? You get > what you pay for -- full of fillers. What color is it? Artificial > colors? Where do they get the ingredients for it? What is the > capsule made of, veggie or horses hooves? Is there coal tar in the > capsule? Or other preservatives? Is there sugar in it? > > Your body is not designed to digest isolated nutrients, but rather to > extract them from real food. Eat food. > > Carol > > > >> I have found a tablet which I can buy quite cheaply and locally - does >> anyone have any comments as to its composition? >> Ingredients % RDI >> C-vitamin 500 mg 833 >> B1-vitamin 15 mg 1071 >> B2-vitamin 15 mg 938 >> B3-vitamin 50 mg 278 >> B5-vitamin 23 mg 383 >> B6-vitamin 10 mg 500 >> B12-vitamin 10 mikrog 1000 >> Biotin 150 mikrog 100 >> Folsyra 400 mikrog 200 >> Kalcium 100 mg 13 >> Magnesium 100 mg 33 >> Zink 10 mg 67 >> *RDI = Recommended daily dose* >> >> >> Thank you >> KJ >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 I don't consider horse hooves a food. Carol > What is wrong with horse hooves in your opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 When I was a kid with much better teeth than I have now, I would gnaw on beef and lamb bones. I ate plenty of gelatin. When I got my horse shod, my dog and the neighbor's dog would stay close, so whjen the farrier trimmed off bits of horse hoof, they would chew on the bits of horse hoof with much glee and gusto. Gelatin is used in making jellies and some people just mix it in hot water then drink it down. Alobar On 7/15/08, Carol <carol@...> wrote: > I don't consider horse hooves a food. > > > Carol > > > > > > > What is wrong with horse hooves in your opinion? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 > > I don't consider horse hooves a food. > > Carol It might give you a bit more 'clip clop' in the morning,personaly i wouldnt 'jump' at the idea... unless you nagged me.. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 " so when the farrier trimmed off bits of horse hoof, they would chew on the bits of horse hoof with much glee and gusto. " considering what other stuff comes from a horse that a dog eats,that no recommendation..LOL.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 According to Mike (Health Ranger; www.naturalnews.com), one should avoid multi-vitamins that use cyanocobalamin as the B12 source because it indicates the manufacturer is trying to cut corners by using a cheap ingredient. He recommends that the B12 be methylcobalamin or hydroxycobalamin. Separately, here's a multivitamin guide that might be useful: http://www.multivitaminguide.org/MultivitaminGuideU7.pdf > Looks like isolated nutrients, synthetically made. Cheap? You get > what you pay for -- full of fillers. What color is it? Artificial > colors? Where do they get the ingredients for it? What is the > capsule made of, veggie or horses hooves? Is there coal tar in the > capsule? Or other preservatives? Is there sugar in it? > > Your body is not designed to digest isolated nutrients, but rather to > extract them from real food. Eat food. > > Carol > > > >> I have found a tablet which I can buy quite cheaply and locally - does >> anyone have any comments as to its composition? >> Ingredients % RDI >> C-vitamin 500 mg 833 >> B1-vitamin 15 mg 1071 >> B2-vitamin 15 mg 938 >> B3-vitamin 50 mg 278 >> B5-vitamin 23 mg 383 >> B6-vitamin 10 mg 500 >> B12-vitamin 10 mikrog 1000 >> Biotin 150 mikrog 100 >> Folsyra 400 mikrog 200 >> Kalcium 100 mg 13 >> Magnesium 100 mg 33 >> Zink 10 mg 67 >> *RDI = Recommended daily dose* >> >> >> Thank you >> KJ >> >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 I forgot to add, although I guess it was implied, that Berocca uses the cyanocobalamin form, according to Wikipedia. > Looks like isolated nutrients, synthetically made. Cheap? You get > what you pay for -- full of fillers. What color is it? Artificial > colors? Where do they get the ingredients for it? What is the > capsule made of, veggie or horses hooves? Is there coal tar in the > capsule? Or other preservatives? Is there sugar in it? > > Your body is not designed to digest isolated nutrients, but rather to > extract them from real food. Eat food. > > Carol > > > >> I have found a tablet which I can buy quite cheaply and locally - does >> anyone have any comments as to its composition? >> Ingredients % RDI >> C-vitamin 500 mg 833 >> B1-vitamin 15 mg 1071 >> B2-vitamin 15 mg 938 >> B3-vitamin 50 mg 278 >> B5-vitamin 23 mg 383 >> B6-vitamin 10 mg 500 >> B12-vitamin 10 mikrog 1000 >> Biotin 150 mikrog 100 >> Folsyra 400 mikrog 200 >> Kalcium 100 mg 13 >> Magnesium 100 mg 33 >> Zink 10 mg 67 >> *RDI = Recommended daily dose* >> >> >> Thank you >> KJ >> >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 So, if I understand this correctly then cyanocobalamin is cheaper than methylcobalamin or hydroxycobalamin as a source of B12 - but this is a bad thing, how? Best wishes KJ Dilworth wrote: > I forgot to add, although I guess it was implied, that Berocca uses the cyanocobalamin form, according to Wikipedia. > > > >> Looks like isolated nutrients, synthetically made. Cheap? You get >> what you pay for -- full of fillers. What color is it? Artificial >> colors? Where do they get the ingredients for it? What is the >> capsule made of, veggie or horses hooves? Is there coal tar in the >> capsule? Or other preservatives? Is there sugar in it? >> >> Your body is not designed to digest isolated nutrients, but rather to >> extract them from real food. Eat food. >> >> Carol >> >> >> >> >>> I have found a tablet which I can buy quite cheaply and locally - does >>> anyone have any comments as to its composition? >>> Ingredients % RDI >>> C-vitamin 500 mg 833 >>> B1-vitamin 15 mg 1071 >>> B2-vitamin 15 mg 938 >>> B3-vitamin 50 mg 278 >>> B5-vitamin 23 mg 383 >>> B6-vitamin 10 mg 500 >>> B12-vitamin 10 mikrog 1000 >>> Biotin 150 mikrog 100 >>> Folsyra 400 mikrog 200 >>> Kalcium 100 mg 13 >>> Magnesium 100 mg 33 >>> Zink 10 mg 67 >>> *RDI = Recommended daily dose* >>> >>> >>> Thank you >>> KJ >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 On Jul 17, 2008, at 3:21 AM, Karl Järnhammer wrote: > So, if I understand this correctly then cyanocobalamin is cheaper than > methylcobalamin or hydroxycobalamin as a source of B12 - but this is a > bad thing, how? > > Best wishes > KJ This form of B12 produces cyanide as it is metabolized, creating a toxin that the body must then clear out. Because B12 is the highest cost raw material in a multiple vitamin, it is often skimped on for cost at the expense of health and quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Thanks, , you explained it better than I could have! > So, if I understand this correctly then cyanocobalamin is cheaper than > methylcobalamin or hydroxycobalamin as a source of B12 - but this is a > bad thing, how? > > Best wishes > KJ This form of B12 produces cyanide as it is metabolized, creating a toxin that the body must then clear out. Because B12 is the highest cost raw material in a multiple vitamin, it is often skimped on for cost at the expense of health and quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Alobar, Are you avoiding oxalates to prevent calcifications? Oxalates are disarmed by citric acid. You can add lemon juice to your oxalate foods. This i read from the oxalate website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 I don't have a reference, but a friend told me fairly recentlythat her doctor said that the cyanocobalimin form is best. Something about B12 being better utilized than the methyl form. sol Dilworth wrote: > I forgot to add, although I guess it was implied, that Berocca uses the cyanocobalamin form, according to Wikipedia. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Oxalates cause muscle cramping, skin eruptions, cause sciatia problems. The problem arises from a leaky gut, probably due to too many antibiotics as a kid. People on the Autistic spectrum are very prone to oxalate problems as well. Alobar On 7/17/08, melly banagale <@...> wrote: > Alobar, > > Are you avoiding oxalates to prevent calcifications? Oxalates are disarmed by citric acid. You can add lemon juice to your oxalate foods. This i read from the oxalate website. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 , Only citric acid, or would another acid such as vinegar work as well? -Patty > > Alobar, > > Are you avoiding oxalates to prevent calcifications? Oxalates are disarmed by citric acid. You can add lemon juice to your oxalate foods. This i read from the oxalate website. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 , I read (forget which site) that vit C is contra indicated when a person has an oxalate problem. an you please post the link to the particular site you got the citric acid info from? thanks, sol melly banagale wrote: > Oxalates are disarmed by citric acid. You can add lemon juice to your oxalate foods. This i read from the oxalate website. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 How would anyone know if they had an Oxalic problem? What symptoms would there be? Bonnie _____ From: Coconut Oil [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of sol Sent: July 18, 2008 11:11 AM Coconut Oil Subject: Re: Re: Supplement , I read (forget which site) that vit C is contra indicated when a person has an oxalate problem. an you please post the link to the particular site you got the citric acid info from? thanks, sol melly banagale wrote: > Oxalates are disarmed by citric acid. You can add lemon juice to your oxalate foods. This i read from the oxalate website. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Vitamin C is the one thing I take in high doses which the owner of the oxalate list disagrees with. I have found that taking in lots of undenatured whey daily and supplementing with Alpha Lipoic Acid helps my body to turn the waste products of C metabolism back into C, so now I need far less C. I used to use about 30 grams of C a day. Now I need only 4 or 5 grams. Alobar On 7/18/08, sol <solbun@...> wrote: > , > I read (forget which site) that vit C is contra indicated when a > person has an oxalate problem. > an you please post the link to the particular site you got the citric > acid info from? > thanks, > > sol > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 How much whey do you take every day? I usually do the recommended 2 scoops that are for 1 smoothie. Marie On Friday, July 18, 2008, at 02:36PM, " Alobar " <Alobar@...> wrote: >Vitamin C is the one thing I take in high doses which the owner of the >oxalate list disagrees with. I have found that taking in lots of >undenatured whey daily and supplementing with Alpha Lipoic Acid helps >my body to turn the waste products of C metabolism back into C, so now >I need far less C. I used to use about 30 grams of C a day. Now I >need only 4 or 5 grams. > >Alobar > >On 7/18/08, sol <solbun@...> wrote: >> , >> I read (forget which site) that vit C is contra indicated when a >> person has an oxalate problem. >> an you please post the link to the particular site you got the citric >> acid info from? >> thanks, >> >> sol >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Whey makes up 2 full meals a day, so I use about 3 times as much as you do. Alobar On 7/18/08, Marie Drake <mariedrakeesq@...> wrote: > How much whey do you take every day? > > I usually do the recommended 2 scoops that are for 1 smoothie. > > > Marie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 So you just do one meal a day and the rest is whey? I'm curious about your weight loss and how much you take and am thinking of bumping up my intake. Thanks! Marie On Friday, July 18, 2008, at 03:17PM, " Alobar " <Alobar@...> wrote: >Whey makes up 2 full meals a day, so I use about 3 times as much as you do. > >Alobar > >On 7/18/08, Marie Drake <mariedrakeesq@...> wrote: >> How much whey do you take every day? >> >> I usually do the recommended 2 scoops that are for 1 smoothie. >> >> >> Marie >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 Google " low oxalate diet " and that should find you a lot of info. Though most of it seems to be directed to autistic kids, there is some info for adults. I was interested because of the connection to joint pain. sol Bonnie Cole wrote: > How would anyone know if they had an Oxalic problem? What symptoms would > there be? > > > > Bonnie > > > > _____ > > From: Coconut Oil > [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of sol > Sent: July 18, 2008 11:11 AM > Coconut Oil > Subject: Re: Re: Supplement > > > > , > I read (forget which site) that vit C is contra indicated when a > person has an oxalate problem. > an you please post the link to the particular site you got the citric > acid info from? > thanks, > sol > > melly banagale wrote: > >> Oxalates are disarmed by citric acid. You can add lemon juice to your >> > oxalate foods. This i read from the oxalate website. > >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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