Guest guest Posted November 8, 2001 Report Share Posted November 8, 2001 In a message dated 11/8/01 7:50:35 PM Mountain Standard Time, realityab@... writes: << Guess what .... By 2020, the leading cause of death will be depression, according to the chief of staff at the Alberta Mental Health Board, Dr. Pierre Beausejour. He thinks it's because it's more difficult to get away from work now, with cellphones and faxes. >> This leading cause of death crap is the party platform for NAMI!!!! It is pure and utter bullshit, but this idea has fomented for some time, no doubt sponsored by the legal drug cartel, then spewed by our wonderful Surgeon General, then spammed through society as though it were the gospel truth. Well, hell, let's just start putting people on Paxil and Prozac the minute they are born. Isn't that why they made this shit in dropper formula??? Sorry for my ire, but this kind of propaganda really pisses me off. Can you tell???????? Glitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2001 Report Share Posted November 8, 2001 In a message dated 11/8/01 7:50:35 PM Mountain Standard Time, realityab@... writes: << Guess what .... By 2020, the leading cause of death will be depression, according to the chief of staff at the Alberta Mental Health Board, Dr. Pierre Beausejour. He thinks it's because it's more difficult to get away from work now, with cellphones and faxes. >> This leading cause of death crap is the party platform for NAMI!!!! It is pure and utter bullshit, but this idea has fomented for some time, no doubt sponsored by the legal drug cartel, then spewed by our wonderful Surgeon General, then spammed through society as though it were the gospel truth. Well, hell, let's just start putting people on Paxil and Prozac the minute they are born. Isn't that why they made this shit in dropper formula??? Sorry for my ire, but this kind of propaganda really pisses me off. Can you tell???????? Glitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Can you write for him? My son just can't do it when he also has to actually physically write, even a short sentence or 2, but when we act as scribe, he's pretty much fine. He's still not nearly as strong in writing (or dictating in this case) as he is in just about everything else academic, but he will actually do the work without a meltdown. The school has no problem with us writing his homework. I hope the teacher sees by the silly things he sometimes " writes " that it's really him doing it! It makes a HUGE difference with us. Sometimes he will write, for ex., the 1st few spelling sentences and then we do the rest. I like that because then he is practicing the thinking/writing process. I don't push him tho because it is sure to cause a meltdown. He's decent enough when he wants to write something, like a silly note to his sister or something. Anyway, my understanding is that, yes, it's a quite common Aspie problem.HTH, E.V.On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:13 PM, judes11111 <wnjfabian@...> wrote: Just wondering how many Aspie kids out there have a hard time with writing assignments. My son is 10 and in 4th grade. There are a ton of assignments with writing this year. Even if it is math or science or something, there is always a question or 2 at the end that asks you what you think about something, etc. The are doing a lot of structured writing using formats like: topic sentence, detail sentence, supporting sentence or 2, another detail sentence, another supporting sentence or 2, then a closing. This drives my Aspie straight into meltdown mode!! He doesn't know what to write! We have talked to the school about it (a lot) and we have gotten an extra day, but it seems that just prolongs the anxiety about it. Anyone else dealing with similar issues?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Judy, My son too has written expression problems. On his last assessment he scored in the 9th percentile. But the school is too focused on his behaviors to focus on any academics. I am still fighting this issue. If your son has problems with written expression he might benefit from assistive technology to help him, like a word processor. This way he can focus more on the content of what he is writing. ne From: judes11111 <wnjfabian@...>Subject: ( ) Writing Assignments Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 10:13 PM Just wondering how many Aspie kids out there have a hard time with writing assignments. My son is 10 and in 4th grade. There are a ton of assignments with writing this year. Even if it is math or science or something, there is always a question or 2 at the end that asks you what you think about something, etc. The are doing a lot of structured writing using formats like: topic sentence, detail sentence, supporting sentence or 2, another detail sentence, another supporting sentence or 2, then a closing. This drives my Aspie straight into meltdown mode!! He doesn't know what to write! We have talked to the school about it (a lot) and we have gotten an extra day, but it seems that just prolongs the anxiety about it. Anyone else dealing with similar issues?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Our son is about the same age as yours and in 4th grade. He has a TERRIBLE time with writing! They have started to "track" his writing per day after they added writing as one of his goals on his IEP. We just got his report card today. It says that he has only been writing 18 words per day!! He hates to write! It causes meltdowns here and at school. They write for him sometimes and we do too. He has worked for years with the school OT on writing, but he still doesn't want to write. He can have fairly decent handwriting for his age at times, but he has to be having a REALLY good day. Otherwise, his papers usually have things scribbled out, large print, slanting letters, etc. The only thing that I can think of to help is that the school gave us a copy of "Dragon Speaks". It's a computer program where your child can dictate what to write and the computer will write it for him. We have not actually used it because the school didn't really tell us what to use it for (and we're a bit slow around here). But, they say that it's a really good program to use with AS kids. Good luck!! Beth ( ) Writing Assignments Just wondering how many Aspie kids out there have a hard time with writing assignments. My son is 10 and in 4th grade. There are a ton of assignments with writing this year. Even if it is math or science or something, there is always a question or 2 at the end that asks you what you think about something, etc. The are doing a lot of structured writing using formats like: topic sentence, detail sentence, supporting sentence or 2, another detail sentence, another supporting sentence or 2, then a closing. This drives my Aspie straight into meltdown mode!! He doesn't know what to write! We have talked to the school about it (a lot) and we have gotten an extra day, but it seems that just prolongs the anxiety about it. Anyone else dealing with similar issues?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 My son has the same problem. He can't seem to figure out where to start with his assignments. Open-ended writing assignments are frustrating. But once he gets started, he is OK. Every once in awhile I will scribe for him. If I do that he is able to get the " creative juices flowing " and I have a hard time keeping up with his spoken word. After that I have him type up what I scribed for him on the computer. He was also provided an AlphaSmart by the school. It is a keyboard device that he uses to write his notes in school. I keep looking at the DragonSpeak speech recognition software. It will type what you say into the computer. I think this will help since he can just say what is on his mind and then go back and edit the story later on the computer. Rich > > > From: judes11111 <wnjfabian@...> > Subject: ( ) Writing Assignments > > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 10:13 PM > > > Â > > > > Just wondering how many Aspie kids out there have a hard time with writing assignments. My son is 10 and in 4th grade. There are a ton of assignments with writing this year. Even if it is math or science or something, there is always a question or 2 at the end that asks you what you think about something, etc. The are doing a lot of structured writing using formats like: topic sentence, detail sentence, supporting sentence or 2, another detail sentence, another supporting sentence or 2, then a closing. This drives my Aspie straight into meltdown mode!! He doesn't know what to write! We have talked to the school about it (a lot) and we have gotten an extra day, but it seems that just prolongs the anxiety about it. Anyone else dealing with similar issues?? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 We went through the same struggle with my son. Answering open ended questions was the worse. It took many years and a lot of focus but his writing is now on the same level as his peers. He is in 10th grade. Writing is still hard for him but he can do it on his own. Starting in 4th grade, the school used graphic organizers with all kids. They just kept using them with my son until he was comfortable writing without them (sometime in 7th or 8th grade). We had it stated on his IEP that he was allowed to have less writing output than his peers and extra time if needed. My son was allowed a scribe for long writing assignments as he has dsygraphia which makes it difficult for him to physically write. We used to have to sit and work with him on any of his writing assignments. We found it was best if the teacher stated the minimum requirements that she wanted from him. Otherwise my son would try to get away with as little as possible. My son still receives tutoring in school to work on improving his skills in an effort to make writing less of a struggle for him. He is finally at the point of writing on his own and editing his own work. The editing was a big step. He's probably written on his own since late in 8th grade but it was a gradual process with him needing less help over the years. We still have the writing accomodation in his IEP but it has been needed since he started high school. It took 5 years to get my son's writing level to that of his peers. It wasn't easy to get to this point. My advice would be to have the school provide extra help for you son in writing and allow him extra time on assignments if needed (both details should go into his IEP.) A formal writing program would be best. My son's school used a combination of programs to help him but it was similar to the Landmark program. Check out this site for more info on writing and writing programs. http://www.concordspedpac.org/Writing.html Here's a site on executive function that has some tips about improving organization. http://www.tourettesyndrome.net/disorders/executive-dysfunction/ Caroline > > Just wondering how many Aspie kids out there have a hard time with writing assignments. My son is 10 and in 4th grade. There are a ton of assignments with writing this year. Even if it is math or science or something, there is always a question or 2 at the end that asks you what you think about something, etc. The are doing a lot of structured writing using formats like: topic sentence, detail sentence, supporting sentence or 2, another detail sentence, another supporting sentence or 2, then a closing. This drives my Aspie straight into meltdown mode!! He doesn't know what to write! We have talked to the school about it (a lot) and we have gotten an extra day, but it seems that just prolongs the anxiety about it. Anyone else dealing with similar issues?? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Hello there, I can totally relate, even though Dylan is 7, we are starting to write book reports. He reads the stories (very slowly, not a good reader), then he has to come up on his own what the book is about, write a topic sentence, what happened beginning, middle, end, and a conclusion. I see the future for Dylan and it's scary. He CANNOT put his thougts on paper. Well first of all you need the thoughts. He doesn't understand what he read. He has meltdowns too and a lot of anxiety regarding homework in general. It takes us hours to do a 20 min. project. Don't feel alone. Cathleen From: judes11111 <wnjfabian@...> Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 7:13:03 PMSubject: ( ) Writing Assignments Just wondering how many Aspie kids out there have a hard time with writing assignments. My son is 10 and in 4th grade. There are a ton of assignments with writing this year. Even if it is math or science or something, there is always a question or 2 at the end that asks you what you think about something, etc. The are doing a lot of structured writing using formats like: topic sentence, detail sentence, supporting sentence or 2, another detail sentence, another supporting sentence or 2, then a closing. This drives my Aspie straight into meltdown mode!! He doesn't know what to write! We have talked to the school about it (a lot) and we have gotten an extra day, but it seems that just prolongs the anxiety about it. Anyone else dealing with similar issues?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 For my son, I try to organize the assignment in chunks: introduction, body and conclusion. I may also give him the start of the sentence: "In the beginning...", "After that...", "On the other hand...", "At the same time...". Asking him questions after he read a text, I can see he has all the answers - they are all in his head. It's the thinking process to put them down together that kills him. Then I just give him some hints to get him going. HTH, Eddie From: erduckjr <erduckjr@...>Subject: ( ) Re: Writing Assignments Received: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 7:22 AM My son has the same problem. He can't seem to figure out where to start with his assignments. Open-ended writing assignments are frustrating. But once he gets started, he is OK. Every once in awhile I will scribe for him. If I do that he is able to get the "creative juices flowing" and I have a hard time keeping up with his spoken word. After that I have him type up what I scribed for him on the computer. He was also provided an AlphaSmart by the school. It is a keyboard device that he uses to write his notes in school. I keep looking at the DragonSpeak speech recognition software. It will type what you say into the computer. I think this will help since he can just say what is on his mind and then go back and edit the story later on the computer. Rich> > > From: judes11111 <wnjfabian@...>> Subject: ( ) Writing Assignments> > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 10:13 PM> > > Â > > > > Just wondering how many Aspie kids out there have a hard time with writing assignments. My son is 10 and in 4th grade. There are a ton of assignments with writing this year. Even if it is math or science or something, there is always a question or 2 at the end that asks you what you think about something, etc. The are doing a lot of structured writing using formats like: topic sentence, detail sentence, supporting sentence or 2, another detail sentence, another supporting sentence or 2, then a closing. This drives my Aspie straight into meltdown mode!! He doesn't know what to write! We have talked to the school about it (a lot) and we have gotten an extra day, but it seems that just prolongs the anxiety about it. Anyone else dealing with similar issues??> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 I have the exact same problem, my 8 yrs old son takes more than 1 hour to do homework, and when he has to read and comment and explain the story, he can't think of anything. From: Cathleen Veloria <cathleen.veloria@...> Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 12:52:00 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Writing Assignments Hello there, I can totally relate, even though Dylan is 7, we are starting to write book reports. He reads the stories (very slowly, not a good reader), then he has to come up on his own what the book is about, write a topic sentence, what happened beginning, middle, end, and a conclusion. I see the future for Dylan and it's scary. He CANNOT put his thougts on paper. Well first of all you need the thoughts. He doesn't understand what he read. He has meltdowns too and a lot of anxiety regarding homework in general. It takes us hours to do a 20 min. project. Don't feel alone. Cathleen From: judes11111 <wnjfabian@...> Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 7:13:03 PMSubject: ( ) Writing Assignments Just wondering how many Aspie kids out there have a hard time with writing assignments. My son is 10 and in 4th grade. There are a ton of assignments with writing this year. Even if it is math or science or something, there is always a question or 2 at the end that asks you what you think about something, etc. The are doing a lot of structured writing using formats like: topic sentence, detail sentence, supporting sentence or 2, another detail sentence, another supporting sentence or 2, then a closing. This drives my Aspie straight into meltdown mode!! He doesn't know what to write! We have talked to the school about it (a lot) and we have gotten an extra day, but it seems that just prolongs the anxiety about it. Anyone else dealing with similar issues?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Thanks for the ideas! I will give them a try. He's so worried about having the 'perfect' or 'right' answer even though we've explained many times that it's your opinion they want. *sigh* We will keep trying. > > > > > > From: judes11111 <wnjfabian@> > > Subject: ( ) Writing Assignments > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 10:13 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Just wondering how many Aspie kids out there have a hard time with writing assignments. My son is 10 and in 4th grade. There are a ton of assignments with writing this year. Even if it is math or science or something, there is always a question or 2 at the end that asks you what you think about something, etc. The are doing a lot of structured writing using formats like: topic sentence, detail sentence, supporting sentence or 2, another detail sentence, another supporting sentence or 2, then a closing. This drives my Aspie straight into meltdown mode!! He doesn't know what to write! We have talked to the school about it (a lot) and we have gotten an extra day, but it seems that just prolongs the anxiety about it. Anyone else dealing with similar issues?? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Would it help if he had those small sticky paper. (flagging) when he is reading he can stick them where there is something interesting he needs to remember or important information that he needs to know. when he's finished reading - all he has to do is go back to the sticky paper for a reference to help refresh his memory. as you flag - (sticky paper) - jot a little something on that paper to help remember about that part he just read. when finished - that's when you go back to all those flagged notes (sticky paper) to refresh your memory. hope this helps Rose From: chris Dunn <christineshello@...>Subject: Re: ( ) Writing Assignments Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 2:16 PM I have the exact same problem, my 8 yrs old son takes more than 1 hour to do homework, and when he has to read and comment and explain the story, he can't think of anything. From: Cathleen Veloria <cathleen.veloria@...> Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 12:52:00 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Writing Assignments Hello there, I can totally relate, even though Dylan is 7, we are starting to write book reports. He reads the stories (very slowly, not a good reader), then he has to come up on his own what the book is about, write a topic sentence, what happened beginning, middle, end, and a conclusion. I see the future for Dylan and it's scary. He CANNOT put his thougts on paper. Well first of all you need the thoughts. He doesn't understand what he read. He has meltdowns too and a lot of anxiety regarding homework in general. It takes us hours to do a 20 min. project. Don't feel alone. Cathleen From: judes11111 <wnjfabian@...> Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 7:13:03 PMSubject: ( ) Writing Assignments Just wondering how many Aspie kids out there have a hard time with writing assignments. My son is 10 and in 4th grade. There are a ton of assignments with writing this year. Even if it is math or science or something, there is always a question or 2 at the end that asks you what you think about something, etc. The are doing a lot of structured writing using formats like: topic sentence, detail sentence, supporting sentence or 2, another detail sentence, another supporting sentence or 2, then a closing. This drives my Aspie straight into meltdown mode!! He doesn't know what to write! We have talked to the school about it (a lot) and we have gotten an extra day, but it seems that just prolongs the anxiety about it. Anyone else dealing with similar issues?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 My 12 yo dd has the same issue. We were working on a history assignment last night and she just couldn't get the words from her mind to the paper. I am going to try some of the suggestions here - especially the post it notes in the books. Thanks - Angel > > > From: chris Dunn <christineshello@...> > Subject: Re: ( ) Writing Assignments > > Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 2:16 PM > > > Â > > > > > > > I have the exact same problem, my 8 yrs old son takes more than 1 hour to do homework, and when he has to read and comment and explain the story, he can't think of anything. > Â > > > > > > > > From: Cathleen Veloria <cathleen.veloria@...> > > Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 12:52:00 PM > Subject: Re: ( ) Writing Assignments > > Â > > > > Hello there, I can totally relate, even though Dylan is 7, we are starting to write book reports. He reads the stories (very slowly, not a good reader), then he has to come up on his own what the book is about, write a topic sentence, what happened beginning, middle, end, and a conclusion. I see the future for Dylan and it's scary. He CANNOT put his thougts on paper. Well first of all you need the thoughts. He doesn't understand what he read. He has meltdowns too and a lot of anxiety regarding homework in general. It takes us hours to do a 20 min. project. Don't feel alone. > Cathleen > > > > > > From: judes11111 <wnjfabian@...> > > Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 7:13:03 PM > Subject: ( ) Writing Assignments > > Â > > Just wondering how many Aspie kids out there have a hard time with writing assignments. My son is 10 and in 4th grade. There are a ton of assignments with writing this year. Even if it is math or science or something, there is always a question or 2 at the end that asks you what you think about something, etc. The are doing a lot of structured writing using formats like: topic sentence, detail sentence, supporting sentence or 2, another detail sentence, another supporting sentence or 2, then a closing. This drives my Aspie straight into meltdown mode!! He doesn't know what to write! We have talked to the school about it (a lot) and we have gotten an extra day, but it seems that just prolongs the anxiety about it. Anyone else dealing with similar issues?? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Angel, I wonder if history is a hugh struggle for all our kids with AS or autism? Rose From: accountangel <accountangel@...>Subject: Re: ( ) Writing Assignments Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 8:48 AM My 12 yo dd has the same issue. We were working on a history assignment last night and she just couldn't get the words from her mind to the paper. I am going to try some of the suggestions here - especially the post it notes in the books. Thanks - Angel > > > From: chris Dunn <christineshello@...>> Subject: Re: ( ) Writing Assignments> > Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 2:16 PM> > > Â > > > > > > > I have the exact same problem, my 8 yrs old son takes more than 1 hour to do homework, and when he has to read and comment and explain the story, he can't think of anything.> Â > > > > > > > > From: Cathleen Veloria <cathleen.veloria@...>> > Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 12:52:00 PM> Subject: Re: ( ) Writing Assignments> > Â > > > > Hello there, I can totally relate, even though Dylan is 7, we are starting to write book reports. He reads the stories (very slowly, not a good reader), then he has to come up on his own what the book is about, write a topic sentence, what happened beginning, middle, end, and a conclusion. I see the future for Dylan and it's scary. He CANNOT put his thougts on paper. Well first of all you need the thoughts. He doesn't understand what he read. He has meltdowns too and a lot of anxiety regarding homework in general. It takes us hours to do a 20 min. project. Don't feel alone. > Cathleen> > > > > > From: judes11111 <wnjfabian@...>> > Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 7:13:03 PM> Subject: ( ) Writing Assignments> > Â > > Just wondering how many Aspie kids out there have a hard time with writing assignments. My son is 10 and in 4th grade. There are a ton of assignments with writing this year. Even if it is math or science or something, there is always a question or 2 at the end that asks you what you think about something, etc. The are doing a lot of structured writing using formats like: topic sentence, detail sentence, supporting sentence or 2, another detail sentence, another supporting sentence or 2, then a closing. This drives my Aspie straight into meltdown mode!! He doesn't know what to write! We have talked to the school about it (a lot) and we have gotten an extra day, but it seems that just prolongs the anxiety about it. Anyone else dealing with similar issues??> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 That is just what was done with my daughter who has AS, ADHD, and dyslexia, dysgraphia.. Just one extra day to turn it in. Forced her into meltdowns and she ended up in a separate day school where she does little work, but she will go to school and she is not terrified. It is sad. From: judes11111 <wnjfabian@...> Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 10:13:03 PMSubject: ( ) Writing Assignments Just wondering how many Aspie kids out there have a hard time with writing assignments. My son is 10 and in 4th grade. There are a ton of assignments with writing this year. Even if it is math or science or something, there is always a question or 2 at the end that asks you what you think about something, etc. The are doing a lot of structured writing using formats like: topic sentence, detail sentence, supporting sentence or 2, another detail sentence, another supporting sentence or 2, then a closing. This drives my Aspie straight into meltdown mode!! He doesn't know what to write! We have talked to the school about it (a lot) and we have gotten an extra day, but it seems that just prolongs the anxiety about it. Anyone else dealing with similar issues?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 You might need to work on "what is a fact, what is an opinion" with him as a goal (in speech therapy? as a writing goal in the IEP? both?) This was a big problem for us with our oldest ds. I remember trying to talk him into applying for a job at a gamer store. I figured he would blend in more there and he knew his games. Well, he could not do that because he could not have answered questions like, "Is this a good game?" lol. I tried to practice some of the things he would be doing with him but right off the bat, that glaring problem came to light. Roxanna “Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.†- Luther King, Jr. ( ) Writing Assignments > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 10:13 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Just wondering how many Aspie kids out there have a hard time with writing assignments. My son is 10 and in 4th grade. There are a ton of assignments with writing this year. Even if it is math or science or something, there is always a question or 2 at the end that asks you what you think about something, etc. The are doing a lot of structured writing using formats like: topic sentence, detail sentence, supporting sentence or 2, another detail sentence, another supporting sentence or 2, then a closing. This drives my Aspie straight into meltdown mode!! He doesn't know what to write! We have talked to the school about it (a lot) and we have gotten an extra day, but it seems that just prolongs the anxiety about it. Anyone else dealing with similar issues?? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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