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January 6, 2001

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>From: " Ann " <ann.williams@...>

>candidiasisegroups

>Subject: Re: New symptoms

>Date: sáb., 6 ener 2001 13:55

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> Paco - you sound like a textbook recipe for 'how to get Candida'!

> I'm sure this is your problem. The good news is that having

> pinpointed your diagnosis is at least half the battle - now you can

> get on and do something about it, with or without the help of your

> doctor.

My doctor says it's all in my head. In connection with a bad flue I had in

October and lots of antibiotics, I had a major bout of diarrhea. I asked my

local pharmacist if there was something to counteract the effects of the

antibiotics and he gave me some kind of beneficial yeast (it wasn't

acidophilus) in capsules. It worked quite well to stop the diarrhea

(although it gave me a lot of soreness in the tongue which turned white!). I

read in the instructions leaflet that this culture could also be used to

stop candidiasis and oral thrush. Then, I told my digestive system doctor

about the possibility of me having some form of candida overgrowth and he

dismissed the matter with loud laughter. He said that candida is mostly

found in women, in their sexual organs, not in an overall healthy man's

digestive tract, although he admitted that Candida may be a problem in

people undergoing chemotherapy or affected by AIDS, since they have a

severely depressed immune system. He warned me to be careful about fads in

naturopathy. So I went away with my irritable bowel syndrome diagnosis, left

alone to deal with my problems by myself. It's all in my head, he says. Ten

or fifteen years ago I used to believe it was all in my head. But that's

stupid. Everybody around me has always thought of me as a pretty stable guy.

So what the heck is in my head????? Diarrhea is not in my head. It has been

with me for years and years. And now that I have largely overcome diarrhea,

I have tons of gas (thank God it is not foul-smelling!) and other strange

symptoms. WHY???? My doc doesn't know.

I'd urge you to find a naturopathic doctor of some

> description to help you along, if that's feasible.

>

> Your new symptoms sound as if they could very well be die-off -

What exactly is die-off? I understand it is yeast cells dying in large

amounts but what symptoms will that give you? Have you experienced die-off

personally? How long can it go, for I have been like this for some time now

(well, to be more accurate, the symptoms are not always there, they come and

go).

> that's good news!! Horrible, yes, but it honestly means you're

> getting better. Stick with it. Drink loads of filtered water - aim for 2

> 1/2 - 3 litres a day.

Thanks a lot for your advice. I'll try and drink more water. Is there

anything else I can do? Have any of the list members had a die-off reaction?

Could you share your personal experiences?

Thank you everyone.

January 6, 2001

On 6 Jan 2001, at 17:58, Paco wrote:

> My doctor says it's all in my head.

This is a prblem many of usre up against - conventional medicine

simply will NOT accept candida as a valid diagnosis unless you've

got AIDS or another severe immune disorder. it's frustrating, but

unless you can find a good holistic/naturopathic doctor, you may

have to pat your doc on the head, smile nicely, tell him that he

knows best, and then deal with the candida without him.

> What exactly is die-off? I understand it is yeast cells dying in large

> amounts but what symptoms will that give you?

In a nutshell, they make you feel as if you've been poisoned or are

full of an infectin, because candida, as it dies, gives off 79 different

toxins. You'll experience an assortment of nasty reactions,

including flu-like symptoms, shivers, muscle and joint pain,

stomach cramps, nausea, headaches, weepiness, sugar

cravings....highly unpleasant, but it won't stay that bad for long.

Just keep telling yourself that however bad you're feeling, the yeast

is feeling as LOT worse!

I've had die-off periods that lasted a day, and others that lasted a

fortnight. The first tends to be the worst, though - if it gets too

much, lay off the antifungals for a few days. When my candida was

at its worst, I only took antifungals every other day, and drank huge

amounts of water on the 'off' days, to try and dilute the misery a bit.

I progressed to two days on antifungals and one day off, and

eventually to every day. Make sure you rotate your antifungals as

wlel - candida becomes resistant to a particular herb after about a

week, so have an artillery of 3 or 4 types, and switch every 4 or 5

days to fool it.

Hang in there!

Ann

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January 6, 2001

As Atkins says in his books, this is beginning to change

slowly. I've found a couple of " regular " MDs in my area (by sheer

accident) that freely acknowledge that yeast overgrowth can be a

problem. My own conventional family practitioner is one of them. When

I was running down my medical and dietary history of the year prior

to my yeast problem surfacing, before I could tell him that I thought

it was a candida problem, he said, " it sounds like yeast overgrowth. "

(I was stunned.) My sister had a similar experience with her general

practitioner. There *are* some open-minded honest " regular " MDs out

there. (By " regular " I mean MDs who are not into " alternative "

methods as a rule, such as my family medicine practitioner.)

KB

> This is a prblem many of usre up against - conventional medicine

> simply will NOT accept candida as a valid diagnosis unless you've

> got AIDS or another severe immune disorder. it's frustrating, but

> unless you can find a good holistic/naturopathic doctor, you may

> have to pat your doc on the head, smile nicely, tell him that he

> knows best, and then deal with the candida without him.

January 6, 2001

While you experience die-off, as Ann said, drink lots of water, 3

liters a day of purified water if possible, distilled or reverse-

osmosis filtered. (Do not use tap water.) This helps the kidneys do

its job by providing the medium of flushing the toxins. Also, try

taking vitamin C (500 mg every our or so), molybdenum (300 mcg twice

a day), and pantethine (300 mg three times a day.) These will help

with two of the worst and most copiously produced toxins,

acetyladehide and ammonia. (acetyladehide is what ethanol is

metabolised into after one drinks liquor, and is responsible for

hangovers.) I've found these to be very helpful.

By all means get a good book on the subject, and " do the diet. " If

you don't you won't win.

KB

January 9, 2001

Paco,

I am writing in your post mentioning that you have irritable

bowel syndrome. I had it for a long time. I got relief when

I connected some of the foods I was eating I was sensitive to.

This is hard to figure out because when the food you ate 2 days

ago or longer, finally makes it to your intestines, then you feel pain.

I eliminated corn, sugar, and any other sweeteners and I felt 50%

better. Also, years down the road, I began taking Chelated

calcium and magnesium tablets and got total relief. It seems that

I wasn't absorbing the normal form of magnesium and calcium.

Chelated forms of supplements are supplements that are already

digested in a lab, into very small particles. So when you take it

your body does not have to digest it, just absorb it into your system.

I hope this remedy will help you and anyone else out there like it

helped me.

LIZ

Re: New symptoms

>Date: s?b., 6 ener 2001 13:55