DIe-off

September 25, 2005

I'm in process of making a small wrist unit, like a bracelet that

has 3 or 4 AAA batteries and to be kept in the car. Used on one

wrist a few minutes a day, it could be the easy way to avoid dieoffs

by conveniently treating the bloodstream while driving or relaxing

somewhere. this will be a low power deal, only 3.6-4.8 volts, using

rechargeables NIMH cells. I'll post a few photos of the device

when it's finished, should be fun to have yet another wrist device.

The last one used 4 AA's, and was a bit large. This one is really

tiny thanks to the AAA's.

bG

> Actually it was originally named the " Jarisch Herxheimer " effect

after Dr.

> Jarisch Herxheimer.

> He was the older brother of Karl Herxheimer who later followed in

his

> footsteps

>

> > The " die-off " experience is also called the Herxheimer effect,

named

> > after a Dr. Karl Herxheimer, who identified it after antibiotic

use.

> > Yes, it is described (by Dr. Herxheimer) as being caused by

> > extensive pathogen death in the body. It also happens sometimes,

> > though rarely, with folks who use colloidal silver (CS) for the

> > first time.

> >

October 30, 2005

Hi Faith,

I had this same condition for years. Its exactly as you describe it, I

would be gagging when I would startle awake after just barely dozing off.

And yes my heart would be racing. I had always thought it was sleep apnea

caused by the lyme. I no longer have the problem it started to happen less

and less and eventually went away. I did cardio balance a supplement for the

support of the heart, don't know if thats what helped or some of the other

things. Many people with lyme disease describe this happening to them.

Maybe you have lyme disease????

-- Die-off

I don't post very much. I think it was just one other time when I have

having a rough time. Tonight things are getting a little scary. How do

you know if it is your heart or die off? When I lay down and almost

fall asleep, I awake sitting up feeling like I don't have any breath.

It does come back, but then my heart is racing, I feel sick to my

stomach, my head feels so heavy with feeling a lead pipe inside my

neck. I did take 3 1/2 TBSP of coconut oil today after not taking any

yesterday. could it just be that, or what? I don't know what to do. Can

anyone help?

Faith

October 31, 2005

Faith, i used to have the SAME exact symptoms. Difficulty breathing and

heart racing.. That was when i was on the Biamonte program with all these

crazy herbs and supplements he gave me. I totally stopped all that crap and

everything returned back to normal. I honestly dont think your going

through die-off. i think thats just a bunch of krap that people say to make

u feel better. I've had this for over 10 years now. im now 30. I have

come to accept that i will always have this.. although if i want to feel

better temporarily, i can always eat alot of romaine lettuce and drink water

, and i feel sooo much better. If u just generally stay away from sugars,

caffiene and breads, and starches you will feel much better also. There is

no official proof that yeast overgrowth is causing our symptoms. Alot of

doctors think it is our immune system that is overly active and is causing

this overgrowth...or we have a low grade infection within our bodies that

anti-biotics cannot kill off.. Trust me, i've read books and done a ton of

research...and once someone had chronic yeast, they are never fully cured.

We need to look into other aspects. I think each case is different.

October 31, 2005

Interesting what you say, ...I do wonder about

yeast...I know I have a chronic yeast infection but

then this last year I've also had three different lots

of parasites, a bout of food poisoning, tooth

infection, anaemia, insecticide poisoning blah blah

blah slightly lowered white blood cell count, loads of

allergies, plus don't keep regular sleeping hours due

to shift work - and I tend to think once all that is

properly sorted, the yeast will disappear.

I do think there is some sort of die-off phenomena

though, as I tend to feel a bit rough after taking

anti-yeast stuff, sometimes nothing more than a bit

nauseous...I felt dreadful on nystatin years ago, was

shaking and sweating - always thought that was a

die-off response, but extreme.

Good luck with your continuing journey towards good

health,

Jane

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Faith, i used to have the SAME exact symptoms.

Difficulty breathing and

heart racing.. That was when i was on the Biamonte

program with all these

crazy herbs and supplements he gave me. I totally

stopped all that crap and

everything returned back to normal. I honestly dont

think your going

through die-off. i think thats just a bunch of krap

that people say to make

u feel better. I've had this for over 10 years now.

im now 30. I have

come to accept that i will always have this.. although

if i want to feel

better temporarily, i can always eat alot of romaine

lettuce and drink water

, and i feel sooo much better. If u just generally

stay away from sugars,

caffiene and breads, and starches you will feel much

better also. There is

no official proof that yeast overgrowth is causing our

symptoms. Alot of

doctors think it is our immune system that is overly

active and is causing

this overgrowth...or we have a low grade infection

within our bodies that

anti-biotics cannot kill off.. Trust me, i've read

books and done a ton of

research...and once someone had chronic yeast, they

are never fully cured.

We need to look into other aspects. I think each case

is different.

October 31, 2005

>I do think there is some sort of die-off phenomena

>though, as I tend to feel a bit rough after taking

>anti-yeast stuff, sometimes nothing more than a bit

>nauseous...I felt dreadful on nystatin years ago, was

>shaking and sweating - always thought that was a

>die-off response, but extreme.

>Good luck with your continuing journey towards good

>health,

>Jane

I used to think this also. that is was die-off and such. but then realized

all my symptoms (nausea and such) were because my stomach just couldnt

handle all these crazy supplments and herbs. your stomach can only handle

so much.

October 31, 2005

, i totally agree with u 100% i could not have said it better myself. i

am working on my candida and i had pain for years from head to toe. You can

even imagine what i went through. but i have brought candida from a crazy number

10(as the highest number) to a number 2. I just never gave up. i did constant

research and tried everything until i found what needed to be done for my

health. yes it took 10 years of my life but i still didnt give up and i am still

learning. i am 28 and just starting my life now.

Lee

October 31, 2005

Hi ,

I am so sorry that you have been sick for so long. People don't make up the

die-off thing to make you feel better. The body has a way of healing that

does not necessarily make sense to us but that's the way it is. In candidia

you have not only dieoff, but sometimes further damage has been done and

those repairs have to be made by the body also. There is a process that is

called retracing and its very real and people can actually relive their

symptoms of the past as they are starting to get better. Most people do not

like going through a cleanse and so they never do enough of the program they

are doing, stop half way, because they can't take the process of getting

well. I have been done with Candida, leaky gut, lyme disease and many other

auto immune illnesses for 2 years, you can get through this. I don't

believe what you say about never being cured. Now if you want to still eat

sugar every day, and take drugs, then I agree with you, but if you have

changed your diet, are getting serious about a nutritional program that

supports the immune system, not one that only targets candida, then you can

get well. You also must change your attitude and start believing that you

will be well, and have faith. I have several friends that had candida as a

result of other illness related drugs, and they are now also free from it.

They are very serious about diet though and bad things never touch their

lips. Of course if we eat horribly the candida will always be there, its all

about the balance in our gut, and we were never designed to eat the garbage

we eat. I can eat a piece of cheese cake, have a candy bar here and there,

but that is not my lifestyle at all and so that is how I am able to stay

well. I hope you continue the fight to get well, in this day and age we have

got to go after our health very aggressively!

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