What would you do?

[Guest guest]

Which is EXACTLY why I support their ministry because they teach BIBLICAL

spankings. If you'd read their book you'd know that they do not advocate someone

just whipping their child for no reason. In fact they say it does damage to just

spank without having a loving relationship with your child. And there is a big

difference between a correctly applied spanking and abuse which would lead to

death. Just as there is a difference between using a time out chair for 10 min

and chaining a child to a chair for days.

Yes I encourage everyone to get the facts on the Pearls read their materials.

Hayley

PS I'm still waiting on approval for OT4VAX and will gladly take the discussion

there.

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------

From: " B. " <llp33@...>

Reply-Vaccinations

Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 00:25:57 -0000

>I realize this whole discussion has become very OT however I can't not

>say something about the mention of the Pearls. These are the sick

>people who have advocated whipping babies !!! Children have actually

>died as a result of parents following their advice. Here is a link to

>more information about these people and their book. Please read this

>before spending money that supports their " ministry " .

>

>http://www.stoptherod.net/NGJ.html

>

>

>

>>

>> As much as I love to blame everything on vaccines, I don't think

>that jump

>> can immediately be made. I would say discipline is the key.

>>

>> This will probably get kicked over to OT4VAX very quickly, but I

>have read

>> the book " To Train Up a Child " by the Pearls.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I would be more then happy to take this conversation OT, because I have read the

Pearls method and IT IS THE SAME AS TRAINING A DOG! I'm sorry, but conditioning

a child through physical means is barbaric - training a dog like this makes

sense because a dog is not taught to speak, make their own judgements and reason

what is right and wrong. Children have minds and are perfectly capable of

learning without being physically conditoned to do so. If you teach your child

to respect you through kind words and love, there should be no reason to switch

your child to instill good values. I have a 15 month old that listens better

then most 3 year olds and she looks to me for approval before doing anything and

knows her boundries well within the house and listens to the word no and repects

me, all through love and kind firm words when needed. Neither positive nor

negative re-inforcemnet physically can have a good effect on a child. It

doesn't create respect, it creats fear. Sorry, but I have read the book, I am

open to all info and new forms of parenting. I have been training dogs for

obedience for 5 years and I can read you word for word some of the same methods

from the training manuels for dogs, and I wouldn't treat my pets this way, let

alone my child.

I'm sure I will be kicked off since this is OT, but I feel very passionately

about this. Kids are people, not animals. Raising a child to respect you is

about good family values, not switching a child hoping to scare it into

listening to you.

This is not about abuse, this is about respect for human life. I am not

religious, but if the bible or any other religious teaching goes right to

physical conditioning to " train " a child, then how is this rainsing respectful

kids?

Sorry, but this topic upsets me greatly. I know plenty of well behaved kids

that do not need physical punishment. Some might in severe cases, but speak to

your children, they have minds and can learn!

Children should have the chance to be children - explore, make mistakes, tests

boundaries, and learn how to make good decisions on their own. We are here to

guide them, not stunt their own ability to become their own little people.

Again, I apologize for the OT.

: )

Re: Re: What would you do?

Which is EXACTLY why I support their ministry because they teach BIBLICAL

spankings. If you'd read their book you'd know that they do not advocate someone

just whipping their child for no reason. In fact they say it does damage to just

spank without having a loving relationship with your child. And there is a big

difference between a correctly applied spanking and abuse which would lead to

death. Just as there is a difference between using a time out chair for 10 min

and chaining a child to a chair for days.

Yes I encourage everyone to get the facts on the Pearls read their materials.

Hayley

PS I'm still waiting on approval for OT4VAX and will gladly take the

discussion there.

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------

From: " B. " <llp33@...>

Reply-Vaccinations

Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 00:25:57 -0000

>I realize this whole discussion has become very OT however I can't not

>say something about the mention of the Pearls. These are the sick

>people who have advocated whipping babies !!! Children have actually

>died as a result of parents following their advice. Here is a link to

>more information about these people and their book. Please read this

>before spending money that supports their " ministry " .

>

>http://www.stoptherod.net/NGJ.html

>

>

>

>>

>> As much as I love to blame everything on vaccines, I don't think

>that jump

>> can immediately be made. I would say discipline is the key.

>>

>> This will probably get kicked over to OT4VAX very quickly, but I

>have read

>> the book " To Train Up a Child " by the Pearls.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I have just approved your membership on OT4VAX, Hayley. My apologies for

the delay - I have major computer problems right now.

Sue

Which is EXACTLY why I support their ministry because they teach BIBLICAL

spankings. If you'd read their book you'd know that they do not advocate

someone just whipping their child for no reason. In fact they say it does

damage to just spank without having a loving relationship with your child.

And there is a big difference between a correctly applied spanking and abuse

which would lead to death. Just as there is a difference between using a

time out chair for 10 min and chaining a child to a chair for days.

Yes I encourage everyone to get the facts on the Pearls read their materials

Hayley

PS I'm still waiting on approval for OT4VAX and will gladly take the discussion

there.

[Guest guest]

Hi

One option to consider is to get all his supplements in place ready

for chelation and get the rest out. He can start chelating four days

after the last amalgam comes out. It sounds like he really needs to

get the mercury out of his mouth and be able to chelate. All the best,

Alison W

>

> My dh had 8 amalgams, of which 3 have been removed. A holistic dentist

> removed 2 first and he got gravely ill. Two years latter, a different

> hollistic dentist removed the other 2, he again got sick and very bad

> temper. He still has 5, would you recommend him to remove them?

>

> He suffers from allergies, sinus problems...

>

[Guest guest]

>

> My dh had 8 amalgams, of which 3 have been removed. A holistic dentist

> removed 2 first and he got gravely ill. Two years latter, a different

> hollistic dentist removed the other 2, he again got sick and very bad

> temper. He still has 5, would you recommend him to remove them?

> He suffers from allergies, sinus problems...

I eliminated my allergies with chelation and olive leaf extract.

Sinus problems were related to yeast overgrowth.

I would slowly and carefully remove the others. I used a regular

dentist, but I took vitamin C and selenium as antioxidants, to remove

the mercury that was stirred up. I also took several other

supplements, including biotin to address any yeast caused by the

mercury stirred up. I had no problems with the amalgam removal.

Perhaps if he has them removed by a holistic dentist and also uses

supplements, things will go better for him.

Dana

[Guest guest]

he did take so many supplements and still, he is very sensitive!

> >

> > My dh had 8 amalgams, of which 3 have been removed. A holistic dentist

> > removed 2 first and he got gravely ill. Two years latter, a different

> > hollistic dentist removed the other 2, he again got sick and very bad

> > temper. He still has 5, would you recommend him to remove them?

> > He suffers from allergies, sinus problems...

>

>

> I eliminated my allergies with chelation and olive leaf extract.

>

> Sinus problems were related to yeast overgrowth.

>

> I would slowly and carefully remove the others. I used a regular

> dentist, but I took vitamin C and selenium as antioxidants, to remove

> the mercury that was stirred up. I also took several other

> supplements, including biotin to address any yeast caused by the

> mercury stirred up. I had no problems with the amalgam removal.

> Perhaps if he has them removed by a holistic dentist and also uses

> supplements, things will go better for him.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe go after the sulphur connections...mercury chews up sulphur in

a big way...does he eat alot of sulphur foods, or seem to need them

(onions come to mind)...IF this is the case, maybe upping highish

sulphur foods might help...I would look for benign-ish types of

foods/supps that would help bind & carry out the circulating

mercury...for me, I do know spirulina helped immensely, but also

created concurrent issues (lesser, in comparison to the mercury

exposure going on)...maybe someone else can expand on this/these

thought??? (and thinking maybe a tad more targeted than I seem able

to be, this moment lololol)

Fatty acids is another connection - maybe upping oils,fats, etc.

could help...I do know if it was me, I would want to get the amalgams

out & would be feeling waaayyyy " aarrgghhish " trying to find better

support for the side effects...(booboo lip going on, on your behalf

wishing you the best answers

elizabeth

> > >

> > > My dh had 8 amalgams, of which 3 have been removed. A holistic

dentist

> > > removed 2 first and he got gravely ill. Two years latter, a

different

> > > hollistic dentist removed the other 2, he again got sick and

very bad

> > > temper. He still has 5, would you recommend him to remove them?

> > > He suffers from allergies, sinus problems...

> >

> >

> > I eliminated my allergies with chelation and olive leaf extract.

> >

> > Sinus problems were related to yeast overgrowth.

> >

> > I would slowly and carefully remove the others. I used a regular

> > dentist, but I took vitamin C and selenium as antioxidants, to

remove

> > the mercury that was stirred up. I also took several other

> > supplements, including biotin to address any yeast caused by the

> > mercury stirred up. I had no problems with the amalgam removal.

> > Perhaps if he has them removed by a holistic dentist and also uses

> > supplements, things will go better for him.

> >

> > Dana

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe try another form of zinc. My sons cannot handle picolinate but handle

citrate better. Lower your dosage. Also, when I give zinc it also causes my sons

to dump copper which causes crazy behaviors. Do you have high copper to zinc

ratios? I suggest you give citrate and do it very low dose and slowly increase.

mb

[Guest guest]

Hi Fita,

Does he have any gold in his mouth? Did the dentist test the fillings with an

amalgameter and remove the highest negative first and then re-test? Did the

dentist remmove quadrant by quadrant, not crossing midline? What were they

replaced with? Is your husband on any supplements, if so which ones? He's not

taking anything with any chelators in it, is he? I would suggest that he get

samples of the various products each of the dentists used (anesthesia, dental

dam, bonding agent, filling material, etc) and take them to an NAET practitioner

to have the items tested, in case it was a reaction for any of those things.

S S

Re: what would you do?

Posted by: " Fita " fita3@... fita3

Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:41 pm (PDT)

he did take so many supplements and still, he is very sensitive!

> >

> > My dh had 8 amalgams, of which 3 have been removed. A holistic dentist

> > removed 2 first and he got gravely ill. Two years latter, a different

> > hollistic dentist removed the other 2, he again got sick and very bad

> > temper. He still has 5, would you recommend him to remove them?

> > He suffers from allergies, sinus problems...

>

>

> I eliminated my allergies with chelation and olive leaf extract.

>

> Sinus problems were related to yeast overgrowth.

>

> I would slowly and carefully remove the others. I used a regular

> dentist, but I took vitamin C and selenium as antioxidants, to remove

> the mercury that was stirred up. I also took several other

> supplements, including biotin to address any yeast caused by the

> mercury stirred up. I had no problems with the amalgam removal.

> Perhaps if he has them removed by a holistic dentist and also uses

> supplements, things will go better for him.

>

> Dana

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[Guest guest]

If she is asking for info as to why baby is so ill, I would pray and give her

the books.

All the best,

Maracuja

From: alicelkins <alicelkins@...>

Subject: what would you do?

Vaccinations

Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 6:15 AM

Everyone,

I need some advice as to whether or not I should tell a friend who has

just had her 5th child that she should consider NOT vaccinating her

newborn anymore. Here's some background in which to consider:

She was diagnosed with a blood disorder which prevented her from

concieving their 5th. She miscarried once prior to this pregnancy and

was soon diagnosed with this blood disorder (cancer) that the doctors

say she will have to have a bone marrow transplant for later. They put

her on an oral chemotherapy and later gets pregnant.

The doctors say that the chemo is perfectly safe to take while pregnant

after the second trimester because it doesn't pass the placenta

(personally I believe these " low " risks are a bunch of bull as I saw

what chemo did to my father years ago...much less to a developing baby).

She delivered by c-section at 36 weeks and the baby immediately started

having breathing issues. The day she was released with the baby to go

home in the car the baby stopped breathing and had to be revived at the

ER. They did some testing and said that the child has severe reflux

which will require surgery and a feeding tube.

This friend goes to my church (ss class) and is sending out updates to

our group. During her pregnancy she has been seeing the chiropractor

we see and is also has been consulting with a holistic practitioner for

herbs/vitamins. As far as I know all of her children were fully

vaccinated, one of which has celiacs and are always sick. The e-mails

sent out are about asking for prayer, wisdom and for answers to why the

baby is so sick.

I'm due to take her family a meal on Monday and have had this burden to

ask her if the hospital gave her son the hep B shot before leaving the

hospital. I was also thinking of giving her " The Vaccine Safety

Manual " by Neil . She and her husband spend much of the day at

the ICU and are home in the evenings, so I know they are exhausted and

overwhelmed and don't know how considerate it would be of me to bombard

her with this info., but at the same time it pains me to see a baby

that is so sick (complications possibly from the vaccine itself) and

the family so bewildered and directly involving the SS class for

prayers. I almost feel like it is my responsibility to share what I

know before the situation worsens anymore. The poor child is innocent

and at the mercy of what little their parents and doctors know on this

subject.

Anyway, just curious as to what you all might do in this situation.

Thanks,

Alice

[Guest guest]

Being a Christian myself, I was shocked to find out that some

vaccines are cultured using aborted human fetal lung tissue. There

is also a website about the Biblical case against vaccines. It

mentions verses in the Bible about keeping the blood pure (which we

all know vaccines that are contaminated with viruses, animal DNA, and

whatnot are injected directly into the blood stream). Mybe you could

let them know in a very gentle and non-judgmental way that you have

done a lot of research about vaccines, and you feel led by God to

share with them about what you have learned. For many people, the

idea of not vaccinating is very shocking. I usually tell people that

I realize that the idea is shocking, but when you learn about the

coverups regarding the ingredients in vaccines, that is even more

shocking. Good luck and I wish their new baby well. My prayers to

you and their family. --

>

> Everyone,

>

> I need some advice as to whether or not I should tell a friend who

has

> just had her 5th child that she should consider NOT vaccinating her

> newborn anymore. Here's some background in which to consider:

>

> She was diagnosed with a blood disorder which prevented her from

> concieving their 5th. She miscarried once prior to this pregnancy

and

> was soon diagnosed with this blood disorder (cancer) that the

doctors

> say she will have to have a bone marrow transplant for later. They

put

> her on an oral chemotherapy and later gets pregnant.

>

> The doctors say that the chemo is perfectly safe to take while

pregnant

> after the second trimester because it doesn't pass the placenta

> (personally I believe these " low " risks are a bunch of bull as I

saw

> what chemo did to my father years ago...much less to a developing

baby).

>

> She delivered by c-section at 36 weeks and the baby immediately

started

> having breathing issues. The day she was released with the baby to

go

> home in the car the baby stopped breathing and had to be revived at

the

> ER. They did some testing and said that the child has severe

reflux

> which will require surgery and a feeding tube.

>

> This friend goes to my church (ss class) and is sending out updates

to

> our group. During her pregnancy she has been seeing the

chiropractor

> we see and is also has been consulting with a holistic practitioner

for

> herbs/vitamins. As far as I know all of her children were fully

> vaccinated, one of which has celiacs and are always sick. The e-

mails

> sent out are about asking for prayer, wisdom and for answers to why

the

> baby is so sick.

>

> I'm due to take her family a meal on Monday and have had this

burden to

> ask her if the hospital gave her son the hep B shot before leaving

the

> hospital. I was also thinking of giving her " The Vaccine Safety

> Manual " by Neil . She and her husband spend much of the day

at

> the ICU and are home in the evenings, so I know they are exhausted

and

> overwhelmed and don't know how considerate it would be of me to

bombard

> her with this info., but at the same time it pains me to see a baby

> that is so sick (complications possibly from the vaccine itself)

and

> the family so bewildered and directly involving the SS class for

> prayers. I almost feel like it is my responsibility to share what

I

> know before the situation worsens anymore. The poor child is

innocent

> and at the mercy of what little their parents and doctors know on

this

> subject.

>

> Anyway, just curious as to what you all might do in this situation.

>

> Thanks,

> Alice

>

[Guest guest]

That's why I love 's books. To the point  but from a Christian

perspective.

Subject: Re: what would you do?

Vaccinations

Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 7:24 AM

Being a Christian myself, I was shocked to find out that some

vaccines are cultured using aborted human fetal lung tissue. There

is also a website about the Biblical case against vaccines. It

mentions verses in the Bible about keeping the blood pure (which we

all know vaccines that are contaminated with viruses, animal DNA, and

whatnot are injected directly into the blood stream). Mybe you could

let them know in a very gentle and non-judgmental way that you have

done a lot of research about vaccines, and you feel led by God to

share with them about what you have learned. For many people, the

idea of not vaccinating is very shocking. I usually tell people that

I realize that the idea is shocking, but when you learn about the

coverups regarding the ingredients in vaccines, that is even more

shocking. Good luck and I wish their new baby well. My prayers to

you and their family. --

...

[Guest guest]

You absolutely should tell her. I look at it as the same thing as if you saw

someone's child running into the street. You would take action. It's not as if

you're offering her some illegal drugs. She's asking for advice. Give it. Ask

about the Hep B. It's not being nosy when she's inviting discussion on it.

Give her the book and say " I don't know your feelings on this but in view of

your child being so ill, I feel I have to share my concerns about vaccines. This

book was very enlightening to me. "

Winnie

what would you do?

Vaccinations

> Everyone,

>

> I need some advice as to whether or not I should tell a friend

> who has

> just had her 5th child that she should consider NOT vaccinating

> her

> newborn anymore. Here's some background in which to consider:

>

> She was diagnosed with a blood disorder which prevented her from

> concieving their 5th. She miscarried once prior to this

> pregnancy and

> was soon diagnosed with this blood disorder (cancer) that the

> doctors

> say she will have to have a bone marrow transplant for later.

> They put

> her on an oral chemotherapy and later gets pregnant.

>

> The doctors say that the chemo is perfectly safe to take while

> pregnant

> after the second trimester because it doesn't pass the placenta

> (personally I believe these " low " risks are a bunch of bull as I

> saw

> what chemo did to my father years ago...much less to a

> developing baby).

>

> She delivered by c-section at 36 weeks and the baby immediately

> started

> having breathing issues. The day she was released with the baby

> to go

> home in the car the baby stopped breathing and had to be revived

> at the

> ER. They did some testing and said that the child has severe

> reflux

> which will require surgery and a feeding tube.

>

> This friend goes to my church (ss class) and is sending out

> updates to

> our group. During her pregnancy she has been seeing the

> chiropractor

> we see and is also has been consulting with a holistic

> practitioner for

> herbs/vitamins. As far as I know all of her children were fully

> vaccinated, one of which has celiacs and are always sick. The e-

> mails

> sent out are about asking for prayer, wisdom and for answers to

> why the

> baby is so sick.

>

> I'm due to take her family a meal on Monday and have had this

> burden to

> ask her if the hospital gave her son the hep B shot before

> leaving the

> hospital. I was also thinking of giving her " The Vaccine Safety

> Manual " by Neil . She and her husband spend much of the

> day at

> the ICU and are home in the evenings, so I know they are

> exhausted and

> overwhelmed and don't know how considerate it would be of me to

> bombard

> her with this info., but at the same time it pains me to see a

> baby

> that is so sick (complications possibly from the vaccine itself)

> and

> the family so bewildered and directly involving the SS class for

> prayers. I almost feel like it is my responsibility to share

> what I

> know before the situation worsens anymore. The poor child is

> innocent

> and at the mercy of what little their parents and doctors know

> on this

> subject.

>

> Anyway, just curious as to what you all might do in this situation.

>

> Thanks,

> Alice

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/4/2008 9:16:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

alicelkins@... writes:

The e-mails

sent out are about asking for prayer, wisdom and for answers to why the

baby is so sick.

if they are asking, then I would give them info.

Holly

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> From: Cyn Boyd <cynboyd_60@...>

> Subject: What Would You Do?

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> as part of a job application. You could pick up the old

> lady, because she is going to die, and thus you should save

> her first. Or you could take the old friend because he once

> saved your life, and this would be the perfect chance to pay

> him back. However, you may never be able to find your

> perfect mate again.

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[Guest guest]

This is the second time I have tried to post this....it did not get posted the

last time. I was the aspie mom of a 12 year old boy who had violent outbursts

against me... I have since read the book " the explosive child. Which helped a

lot but the autism clinic also bumped up his meds a little bit. Now his teacher

is implying that he is inattentive and drooling excessively. Funny when my son

leaves he's had his meds in him a good hour and does not seem this way in fact

he happy foots out of here ready for his day. He takes Robinul for the drooling

because Abilify makes him do it. Robinul decreases the drooling or is supposed

to. I told her to fax her concerns to the autism clinic and they do not seem

concerned.. All I know is I'm getting back my happy go lucky Aspie and no more

violent outbursts and our realtionship is a thousand percent better.....what

would you do? We have another appt at the clinic on the 30th...but I have no

intension on bumping down his meds..the teacher has even gone behind my back to

the caseworker to voice her concerns.

Marcia

[Guest guest]

Marcia:

I would not totally disregard what the teacher is saying, as many of the meds

are " time-released, " and it may be that the inattentiveness and drooling

increase as the meds work their way through his system.

Is it possible for someone from the autism clinic can go in and observe him in

the classroom, so that they can determine if a change in dosage (even a slight

one) might help.

I agree that we know our children best, but, if we want to create partnership

with our kids' educators, then we need to atleast show that we're listening when

they voice a concern, too. I'm sure she doesn't want the voilent outbursts to

be present either, but, if she's concerned, then it may not hurt to have someone

find out when it would be a good time to observe him in the classroom setting.

Gladys

>

> This is the second time I have tried to post this....it did not get posted the

last time. I was the aspie mom of a 12 year old boy who had violent outbursts

against me... I have since read the book " the explosive child. Which helped a

lot but the autism clinic also bumped up his meds a little bit. Now his teacher

is implying that he is inattentive and drooling excessively. Funny when my son

leaves he's had his meds in him a good hour and does not seem this way in fact

he happy foots out of here ready for his day. He takes Robinul for the drooling

because Abilify makes him do it. Robinul decreases the drooling or is supposed

to. I told her to fax her concerns to the autism clinic and they do not seem

concerned.. All I know is I'm getting back my happy go lucky Aspie and no more

violent outbursts and our realtionship is a thousand percent better.....what

would you do? We have another appt at the clinic on the 30th...but I have no

intension on bumping down his meds..the teacher has even gone behind my back to

the caseworker to voice her concerns.

>

>

> Marcia

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Great post, Gladys! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: "Gladys" <glad1@...>Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:25:06 -0000< >Subject: ( ) Re: What would you do? Marcia:I would not totally disregard what the teacher is saying, as many of the meds are " time-released, " and it may be that the inattentiveness and drooling increase as the meds work their way through his system. Is it possible for someone from the autism clinic can go in and observe him in the classroom, so that they can determine if a change in dosage (even a slight one) might help.I agree that we know our children best, but, if we want to create partnership with our kids' educators, then we need to atleast show that we're listening when they voice a concern, too. I'm sure she doesn't want the voilent outbursts to be present either, but, if she's concerned, then it may not hurt to have someone find out when it would be a good time to observe him in the classroom setting. Gladys >> This is the second time I have tried to post this....it did not get posted the last time. I was the aspie mom of a 12 year old boy who had violent outbursts against me... I have since read the book " the explosive child. Which helped a lot but the autism clinic also bumped up his meds a little bit. Now his teacher is implying that he is inattentive and drooling excessively. Funny when my son leaves he's had his meds in him a good hour and does not seem this way in fact he happy foots out of here ready for his day. He takes Robinul for the drooling because Abilify makes him do it. Robinul decreases the drooling or is supposed to. I told her to fax her concerns to the autism clinic and they do not seem concerned.. All I know is I'm getting back my happy go lucky Aspie and no more violent outbursts and our realtionship is a thousand percent better.....what would you do? We have another appt at the clinic on the 30th...but I have no intension on bumping down his meds..the teacher has even gone behind my back to the caseworker to voice her concerns.> > > Marcia>

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Yes I gave her the fax number to the autism clinic to fax her concerns and they did not respond so she went behind my back to my caseworker who is going out there to observe. And to pacify her I dosaged him differently than the autism clinic prescribed, I didn't totally blow her off. So this week I gave him half of his prescribed abilify and he had a melt down over his father at school...(.I am a single parent). I am not totally in disagreement with her I just think she doesn't have enough help in the classroom because of budget cuts and cannot help the way he needs helped....I think she only has one aid and herself for 10 children and she has missed MANY MANY days of school....I just think she could have presented the problem in a more appropriate manor and not taken her illness out on my son...he has only missed 2 days of school for illness so she wasn't catching all her health problems from him like she implied.... We go to the autism clinic on the 30th....hopefully someone will go out and observe before then.

Thanks

Gladys

Marcia

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Marcia:

I would not totally disregard what the teacher is saying, as many of the meds are "time-released," and it may be that the inattentiveness and drooling increase as the meds work their way through his system.

Is it possible for someone from the autism clinic can go in and observe him in the classroom, so that they can determine if a change in dosage (even a slight one) might help.

I agree that we know our children best, but, if we want to create partnership with our kids' educators, then we need to atleast show that we're listening when they voice a concern, too. I'm sure she doesn't want the voilent outbursts to be present either, but, if she's concerned, then it may not hurt to have someone find out when it would be a good time to observe him in the classroom setting.

Gladys

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Go in and visit the class and see if he is drooling in class or not.

Roxanna

Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

( ) What would you do?

This is the second time I have tried to post this....it did not get posted the last time. I was the aspie mom of a 12 year old boy who had violent outbursts against me... I have since read the book "the explosive child. Which helped a lot but the autism clinic also bumped up his meds a little bit. Now his teacher is implying that he is inattentive and drooling excessively. Funny when my son leaves he's had his meds in him a good hour and does not seem this way in fact he happy foots out of here ready for his day. He takes Robinul for the drooling because Abilify makes him do it. Robinul decreases the drooling or is supposed to. I told her to fax her concerns to the autism clinic and they do not seem concerned.. All I know is I'm getting back my happy go lucky Aspie and no more violent outbursts and our realtionship is a thousand percent better.....what would you do? We have another appt at the clinic on the 30th...but I have no intension on bumping do

wn his meds..the teacher has even gone behind my back to the caseworker to voice her concerns.

Marcia

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an exterminator might be good sorry rats and mice happen to clean people,tooFrom: southernbuggirl <jpingolt@...>bird mites Sent: Sat, December 11, 2010 9:46:03 AMSubject: what would you do?

So the kids were begging us to put up our garland and lights (the house is sparsely decorated for Christmas at this point) and I had to go up to our attic. Well, in moving things around I discovered a RAT'S NEST in a toy chest that wasn't covered....the little rascals had taken white batting I had in my gift wrap box and made a nice little home for themselves - there was fur, rat feces and urine as well as shards of things they had chewed. I am beyond disgusted. We removed it immediately and my husband then did Cedarcide.....here's my issue - do you suppose this nest was vacant or the occupants were just out cruising? Could this be part of our ongoing mite issue? How do I clean the attic. There are lots of other plastic bins in that attic, old text books, gift wrap, etc....should I toss everything? The worst thing is that my husband took the toy bin outside - I assumed to triple bag it...but no, he put it IN MY CAR and drove it to the

garbage bin a mile away.....I really don't know what he was thinking....what should I do to treat my car - my standard (windex, epsom & baking soda) or would you do more?

Thanks once again for all the support!

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YES, YES, YES. Could be part of your original problem. In addition to Cedarcide I would spray the area with ammonia water, 1/4 part ammonia and 3/4 parts water or Windex all around. If I were you I would toss everything to be on the safe side. Be best if the place were bare for the time being. These mites stay in nests after occupants leave for a time. I've read that bird nests will have the mites in them for long periods of time. Rat nests too I think. Maybe others can weigh in on this topic. In long run good you found the nest, but make sure all holes are plugged up to keep rodents and birds out.

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So the kids were begging us to put up our garland and lights (the house is sparsely decorated for Christmas at this point) and I had to go up to our attic. Well, in moving things around I discovered a RAT'S NEST in a toy chest that wasn't covered....the little rascals had taken white batting I had in my gift wrap box and made a nice little home for themselves - there was fur, rat feces and urine as well as shards of things they had chewed. I am beyond disgusted. We removed it immediately and my husband then did Cedarcide.....here's my issue - do you suppose this nest was vacant or the occupants were just out cruising? Could this be part of our ongoing mite issue? How do I clean the attic. There are lots of other plastic bins in that attic, old text books, gift wrap, etc....should I toss everything? The worst thing is that my husband took the toy bin outside - I assumed to triple bag it...but no, he put it IN MY CAR and drove it to the garbage bin a mile away.....I really don't know what he was thinking....what should I do to treat my car - my standard (windex, epsom & baking soda) or would you do more?Thanks once again for all the support!

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SBGirl I know that exterminators say that the electronic pest controls are a

joke, and may well be for insects. However for rodents they do seem to help. I

have 2 in attic 1 in basement and 1 in each room of house. Live very rural and

have not seen a rodent since. I also put D Con in attic basement and wood pile.

If you have a fogger, I would use bifen in fogger, fog attic. Bifen will stay

effective for 2 months cedarcide is just a knockdown.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_pest_control

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Cedarcide I would spray the area with ammonia water, 1/4 part ammonia and 3/4

parts water or Windex all around.  If I were you I would toss everything to be

on the safe side.  Be best if the place were bare for the time being.  These

mites stay in nests after occupants leave for a time.  I've read that bird

nests will have the mites in them for long periods of time.  Rat nests too I

think.  Maybe others can weigh in on this topic.  In long run good you found

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sparsely decorated for Christmas at this point) and I had to go up to our attic.

Well, in moving things around I discovered a RAT'S NEST in a toy chest that

wasn't covered....the little rascals had taken white batting I had in my gift

wrap box and made a nice little home for themselves - there was fur, rat feces

and urine as well as shards of things they had chewed. I am beyond disgusted. We

removed it immediately and my husband then did Cedarcide.....here's my issue -

do you suppose this nest was vacant or the occupants were just out cruising?

Could this be part of our ongoing mite issue? How do I clean the attic. There

are lots of other plastic bins in that attic, old text books, gift wrap,

etc....should I toss everything? The worst thing is that my husband took the toy

bin outside - I assumed to triple bag it...but no, he put it IN MY CAR and drove

it to the garbage bin a mile away.....I really don't know what he was

thinking....what should I do to treat my car - my standard (windex, epsom &

baking soda) or would you do more?

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Ft.Another Looktest button / DC inputdual sound outputL.E.D indicator> > >> > > > > > > > > YES, YES, YES. Could be part of your original problem. In addition to Cedarcide I would spray the area with ammonia water, 1/4 part ammonia and 3/4 parts water or Windex all around. If I were you I would toss everything to be on the safe side. Be best if the place were bare for the time being. These mites stay in nests after occupants leave for a time. I've read that bird nests will have the mites in them for long periods of time. Rat nests too I think. Maybe others can weigh in on this topic. In long run good you found the nest, but make sure all holes are plugged up to keep rodents and birds out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what would you do? > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the kids were begging us to put up our garland and lights (the house is sparsely decorated for Christmas at this point) and I had to go up to our attic. Well, in moving things around I discovered a RAT'S NEST in a toy chest that wasn't covered....the little rascals had taken white batting I had in my gift wrap box and made a nice little home for themselves - there was fur, rat feces and urine as well as shards of things they had chewed. I am beyond disgusted. We removed it immediately and my husband then did Cedarcide.....here's my issue - do you suppose this nest was vacant or the occupants were just out cruising? Could this be part of our ongoing mite issue? How do I clean the attic. There are lots of other plastic bins in that attic, old text books, gift wrap, etc....should I toss everything? The worst thing is that my husband took the toy bin outside - I assumed to triple bag it...but no, he put it IN MY CAR and drove it to the garbage bin a mile away.....I really don't know what he was thinking....what should I do to treat my car - my standard (windex, epsom & baking soda) or would you do more? > > > > > > Thanks once again for all the support!> > >> >>