Re: ADD/ADHD?

[Guest guest]

Hi Dana:

You sure have access to the best docs! I am a bit confused by what I read:

you wrote:

>he said there is no such thing as ADD, all ADD has an H in it, only it

looks different in different people.

and then you wrote:

>What people thought of as purely ADD is really something else, caused by a

different part in the brain than ADHD.

Does that mean there really is something we now call ADD which we need to

call something else and definitely something different than ADHD? I ask

because I have read opinions that there are two different disorders which

have some overlapping symptoms - this seems to be true for many mental

disorders though.

I bumped into someone the other day who was on the too many kids dxed with

ADHD bandwagon. There is a lot of education to do about this one. Take

care, aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

At 05:18 PM 12/20/1999 -0500, you wrote:

>From: Dana Carvalho <clayvon@...>

>

>It is confusing how often ADD

>and

>ADHD are used interchangeably

>

>Hi Kathy,

>I attended a workshop that Dr. Barkley gave and he said there is no such

>thing as ADD, all ADD has an H in it, only it looks different in

>different people. What people thought of as purely ADD is really

>something else, caused by a different part in the brain than ADHD. He

>also said that some people disagree with him on that but that in the

>next few years he should be able to prove it and rename ADD. He said he

>wanted to change it when they wrote the new DSM (he writes the ADHD

>part) but people want to be cautious about changing definitions, esp.

>w/ADHD, since so many people think it's a crock anyway and all those

>kids need is more discipline.

>Dana in NC

[Guest guest]

Dana,

You got it right! ADD is all about Executive function! Executive Function

is like the brain's manager. It takes Executive function to plan out a

course of action, carry out the plan, and then check to see if you did it

right.

I have heard ADHD behavior described as:

Ready

Fire!

AIM!

I know plenty of hyperactive people who are constantly zooming and in motion,

but they do just fine, and many couch potatoes who can never seem to find

their car keys.

Patti

<<

Hi Kathy,

Yes, he said that ADD needs to be called something else because it is not an

impaired functioning of the Executive Function (I think that's what it was

called but I have to look it up) in the right frontal lobe of the brain,

which

is what ADHD is. He said not all people with ADHD have the " constant motion "

kind of thing happening with their bodies, or some have it more than others.

He said they are two different disorders and we would be hearing more about

that in the future. This workshop was about 2 years ago.

And you're right, I am lucky about having access to such good docs! It's a

good thing too, otherwise I'd always wonder if they were right (just my

nature

to question!), more than I do.

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy,

Yes, he said that ADD needs to be called something else because it is not an

impaired functioning of the Executive Function (I think that's what it was

called but I have to look it up) in the right frontal lobe of the brain, which

is what ADHD is. He said not all people with ADHD have the " constant motion "

kind of thing happening with their bodies, or some have it more than others.

He said they are two different disorders and we would be hearing more about

that in the future. This workshop was about 2 years ago.

And you're right, I am lucky about having access to such good docs! It's a

good thing too, otherwise I'd always wonder if they were right (just my nature

to question!), more than I do.

Kathy Hammes wrote:

> From: Kathy Hammes <kathyh@...>

>

> Hi Dana:

>

> You sure have access to the best docs! I am a bit confused by what I read:

>

> you wrote:

>

> >he said there is no such thing as ADD, all ADD has an H in it, only it

> looks different in different people.

>

> and then you wrote:

>

> >What people thought of as purely ADD is really something else, caused by a

> different part in the brain than ADHD.

>

> Does that mean there really is something we now call ADD which we need to

> call something else and definitely something different than ADHD? I ask

> because I have read opinions that there are two different disorders which

> have some overlapping symptoms - this seems to be true for many mental

> disorders though.

>

> I bumped into someone the other day who was on the too many kids dxed with

> ADHD bandwagon. There is a lot of education to do about this one. Take

> care, aloha, Kathy (H)

> kathyh@...

>

> At 05:18 PM 12/20/1999 -0500, you wrote:

> >From: Dana Carvalho <clayvon@...>

> >

> >It is confusing how often ADD

> >and

> >ADHD are used interchangeably

> >

> >Hi Kathy,

> >I attended a workshop that Dr. Barkley gave and he said there is no such

> >thing as ADD, all ADD has an H in it, only it looks different in

> >different people. What people thought of as purely ADD is really

> >something else, caused by a different part in the brain than ADHD. He

> >also said that some people disagree with him on that but that in the

> >next few years he should be able to prove it and rename ADD. He said he

> >wanted to change it when they wrote the new DSM (he writes the ADHD

> >part) but people want to be cautious about changing definitions, esp.

> >w/ADHD, since so many people think it's a crock anyway and all those

> >kids need is more discipline.

> >Dana in NC

>

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[Guest guest]

Tina,

I have an 8yo son with ADHD(combination distractability and hyperactivity) who I

also see some AS traits in. I have not had him tested for AS though. When I tell

my son to do anything, I first have to 1.say his name 2.get eye contact 3.Let

him know that this is the first time I am telling him to do X. (We have a 3

strikes your out kind of agreement)

Also, pretty much anything he wants to do hinges on whether or not certain

things I expect of him have been completed. Even if it is eating supper or

watching a favorite show, he will get distracted and have to be reminded. It

doesn't matter how much he likes whatever activity comes next he simply cannot

stay focussed long enough to complete a task without reminders.

From an autistic standpoint though, could he perhaps be so busy thinking about

something he obsesses over that he tunes out everything else?

>

> Does any of your children have either of these? Is it common is Autistic

children? My son n has to see his Psychologist next month to see how he's

doing. I will be talking to him about n and the possibility of him having

ADD or ADHD. He has difficulty concentrating in the classroom, his teacher has

to tell him to do something 3 times before he responds and even then, he will

give her a blank stare. He does the same things at home when we try to talk to

him. Can anyone help me with this? I need to talk to a parent who has a child

with ADD or ADHD. Thank you in advance

>

>

>

> Tina

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tina,

My son was dx'd with AS and ADHD. The impulsivity is what got the ADHD dx.

Most of the time, AS is co-morbid, meaning that if there is AS, there is something else, there, ya know?

Over the years, OCD has popped it's lovely head into my sons' life and he's learned to calm a bit on the ADHD side.

Sigh........

Ahhhhh, Laughter................

Robin

From: tpalvado <tpalvado@...>Subject: ( ) ADD/ADHD? Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 6:49 PM

Does any of your children have either of these? Is it common is Autistic children? My son n has to see his Psychologist next month to see how he's doing. I will be talking to him about n and the possibility of him having ADD or ADHD. He has difficulty concentrating in the classroom, his teacher has to tell him to do something 3 times before he responds and even then, he will give her a blank stare. He does the same things at home when we try to talk to him. Can anyone help me with this? I need to talk to a parent who has a child with ADD or ADHD. Thank you in advance :)Tina

[Guest guest]

yes my daugher who is 12 is Aspergers and also Adhd combined type she does the same thing you child is doing

From: tpalvado <tpalvado@...>Subject: ( ) ADD/ADHD? Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 7:49 PM

Does any of your children have either of these? Is it common is Autistic children? My son n has to see his Psychologist next month to see how he's doing. I will be talking to him about n and the possibility of him having ADD or ADHD. He has difficulty concentrating in the classroom, his teacher has to tell him to do something 3 times before he responds and even then, he will give her a blank stare. He does the same things at home when we try to talk to him. Can anyone help me with this? I need to talk to a parent who has a child with ADD or ADHD. Thank you in advance :)Tina

[Guest guest]

Mt 8 yr old AS son has the impulsive ADHD issues but also the obsessions OCD

over getting things he collects. It is really hard because he really meltsdowns

and gets anxiety when he can't get what he wants. I have him in a social group

and he sees a psychologist and so do I, however the behavior problems are the

hardest part( for the entire family to deal with). He acts before he thinks and

can be really difficult to reason with. We see a psychiatrist for meds for the

impulse and tantrums. My son also has had various tics which makes life even

more fun! It is hard to figure what is a tic and what is a repetitive

compulsion. The school says he is great there so I guess the structure and firm

rules are a plus for him. Summer is always a challenge. I wonder what others do

for summer structure?

Michele

>

>

> From: tpalvado <tpalvado@...>

> Subject: ( ) ADD/ADHD?

>

> Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 6:49 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Does any of your children have either of these? Is it common is Autistic

children? My son n has to see his Psychologist next month to see how he's

doing. I will be talking to him about n and the possibility of him having

ADD or ADHD. He has difficulty concentrating in the classroom, his teacher has

to tell him to do something 3 times before he responds and even then, he will

give her a blank stare. He does the same things at home when we try to talk to

him. Can anyone help me with this? I need to talk to a parent who has a child

with ADD or ADHD. Thank you in advance

>

> Tina

>

[Guest guest]

There is so much overlap of all of these! Yes, DS appears to be HFA but very ADD

as well. Must repeat stuff to him. Very poor executive function, also generally

part of ADD. Also very impulsive and unable to think through consequences. His

latest example was driving his car at 107 miles an hour...a sixteen year old

Ford Taurus. I was appalled and talked to his counselor working on social

skills. Because he doesn't have what you would expect to be " accompanying

behavior. " I helped raise four step children and of the two that acted out,

their impulses were also accompanied by drinking, breaking curfew, sneaking out,

smoking, etc. and it all fit a pattern.

DS has NONE of those other behaviors, just a stupid impulse to do really stupid

stuff. We caught him by looking at the history on his GPS, shows fastest speed

of vehicle. Counselor suggested that was part of the ADD and lack of impulse

control.

I keep thinking as he gets older it will get better, but frankly my life is a

living hell right now. I don't know how to predict he is going to do this stupid

stuff, I don't know what else to say or do! If I thought IEP's were bad, I would

swap going to one a day for what we are going through with him right now.

Sue in TN

>

> Does any of your children have either of these? Is it common is Autistic

children? My son n has to see his Psychologist next month to see how he's

doing. I will be talking to him about n and the possibility of him having

ADD or ADHD. He has difficulty concentrating in the classroom, his teacher has

to tell him to do something 3 times before he responds and even then, he will

give her a blank stare. He does the same things at home when we try to talk to

him. Can anyone help me with this? I need to talk to a parent who has a child

with ADD or ADHD. Thank you in advance

>

>

>

> Tina

>

[Guest guest]

My son's initial diagnosis was ADHD, non-verbal LD, and PDD-NOS. It is now AS and ADHD. So we have dealt with the concentration issues as well. I do find that Ty is much more focused in a quiet one on one type of setting. We have also found that limiting distractions and making sure he doesn't have to multi-task very often helps when it comes to school.GabiFrom: tpalvado <tpalvado@...> Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 6:49:39 PMSubject: ( ) ADD/ADHD?

Does any of your children have either of these? Is it common is Autistic children? My son n has to see his Psychologist next month to see how he's doing. I will be talking to him about n and the possibility of him having ADD or ADHD. He has difficulty concentrating in the classroom, his teacher has to tell him to do something 3 times before he responds and even then, he will give her a blank stare. He does the same things at home when we try to talk to him. Can anyone help me with this? I need to talk to a parent who has a child with ADD or ADHD. Thank you in advance

Tina

[Guest guest]

My Liz was diagnosed with ADHD at 8. I don't know if she has both ADHD and AS or if the AS was misdiagnosed, or if all she has is ADHD because we are just starting the dx process for AS From: tpalvado@...Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 23:49:39 +0000Subject: ( ) ADD/ADHD?

Does any of your children have either of these? Is it common is Autistic children? My son n has to see his Psychologist next month to see how he's doing. I will be talking to him about n and the possibility of him having ADD or ADHD. He has difficulty concentrating in the classroom, his teacher has to tell him to do something 3 times before he responds and even then, he will give her a blank stare. He does the same things at home when we try to talk to him. Can anyone help me with this? I need to talk to a parent who has a child with ADD or ADHD. Thank you in advance

Tina

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My developmental Ped said AS kids dont need a diagnosis of ADD or ADHD its actually a symptom of AS. My daughter is DEF ADHD On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Barbara Pinckney wrote:

My Liz was diagnosed with ADHD at 8. I don't know if she has both ADHD and AS or if the AS was misdiagnosed, or if all she has is ADHD because we are just starting the dx process for AS From: tpalvado Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 23:49:39 +0000Subject: ( ) ADD/ADHD?

Does any of your children have either of these? Is it common is Autistic children? My son n has to see his Psychologist next month to see how he's doing. I will be talking to him about n and the possibility of him having ADD or ADHD. He has difficulty concentrating in the classroom, his teacher has to tell him to do something 3 times before he responds and even then, he will give her a blank stare. He does the same things at home when we try to talk to him. Can anyone help me with this? I need to talk to a parent who has a child with ADD or ADHD. Thank you in advance

Tina

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My son has been diagnosed as bipolar, adhd, and ocd. We are just realizing that he has aspergers and may have misdiagnosed all along. Reading the symptoms is like reading his biography. He is 14.Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®From: Barbara Pinckney <b-pinckney@...>Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:29:12 -0400<Aspergers Treatment >Subject: RE: ( ) ADD/ADHD? My Liz was diagnosed with ADHD at 8. I don't know if she has both ADHD and AS or if the AS was misdiagnosed, or if all she has is ADHD because we are just starting the dx process for AS From: tpalvado Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 23:49:39 +0000Subject: ( ) ADD/ADHD? Does any of your children have either of these? Is it common is Autistic children? My son n has to see his Psychologist next month to see how he's doing. I will be talking to him about n and the possibility of him having ADD or ADHD. He has difficulty concentrating in the classroom, his teacher has to tell him to do something 3 times before he responds and even then, he will give her a blank stare. He does the same things at home when we try to talk to him. Can anyone help me with this? I need to talk to a parent who has a child with ADD or ADHD. Thank you in advance :)TinaThe New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started.

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My son was initially diagnosed as ADHD when he was 5 and it was mostly the impulsivity/distractibility/inability to focus that precipitated being tested (although even through his "inability to focus" he was still able to absorb so much academically around him.) I never thought ADHD was the answer but I just focused more on the behaviors and less on the diagnosis. When he was 8, we also got an Anxiety - NOS diagnosis, but again, I didn't think that was the whole picture. When he was finally diagnosed w/ Aspergers at the age of 11 and I read more about it, I said BINGO! I think Aspergers is his true diagnosis but the symptoms of it made the other suggested diagnoses not out of the realm of possibilities. He stopped taking his med for ADHD last Fall and he really hasn't missed a beat in school academically. He's found other ways to cope that

are mostly socially acceptable. He still suffers from anxiety though, for certain. We try to get him as much physically exercise as possible, I give him back rubs most nights, and he has three adults in his life that he trusts and can lean on when times get tough. He has no desire to be on any medications for anything and I'm letting him make that decision for himself, as long as he can find healthy ways of coping with some of his challenges.

"Over-optimism is waiting for you ship to come in when you haven't sent one out."

From: Barbara Pinckney <b-pinckney@...>Aspergers Treatment Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 12:29:12 PMSubject: RE: ( ) ADD/ADHD?

My Liz was diagnosed with ADHD at 8. I don't know if she has both ADHD and AS or if the AS was misdiagnosed, or if all she has is ADHD because we are just starting the dx process for AS

From: tpalvado (DOT) comDate: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 23:49:39 +0000Subject: ( ) ADD/ADHD?

Does any of your children have either of these? Is it common is Autistic children? My son n has to see his Psychologist next month to see how he's doing. I will be talking to him about n and the possibility of him having ADD or ADHD. He has difficulty concentrating in the classroom, his teacher has to tell him to do something 3 times before he responds and even then, he will give her a blank stare. He does the same things at home when we try to talk to him. Can anyone help me with this? I need to talk to a parent who has a child with ADD or ADHD. Thank you in advance :)Tina

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Our dev ped said the symptoms have to be severe enough to stand out

over other asd symptoms to be able to justify a seperate dx. Of

course he also won't take away dx he didn't give so we are like

someone else mentioned, not sure if she is adhd or if the hfa was

misdx. She was dx adhd at 7, bp at 8 and hfa at 9, first 2 by psych,

last by dev ped who kept the dx so has her dx listed as hfa, adhd,

mood disorder nos and spd whereas psychiatrist has adhd and bp and

won't believe she has hfa. We took her for a 2nd opinion though prior

to dev ped and he thought she didn't have adhd or bp but had

depression and possible as, 6 month prior to that the schools

suspected possible as. So I love how you get everything and nothing

b/c none agree. And if you want a 4th opinion we don't even know

where we should go next, its just ???, never ends.

On 4/23/10, Byrne <kabob@...> wrote:

> My developmental Ped said AS kids dont need a diagnosis of ADD or ADHD its

> actually a symptom of AS. My daughter is DEF ADHD

>

>

>

>

> On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Barbara Pinckney wrote:

>

>> My Liz was diagnosed with ADHD at 8. I don't know if she has both ADHD and

>> AS or if the AS was misdiagnosed, or if all she has is ADHD because we

>> are just starting the dx process for AS

>>

>>

>>

>> From: tpalvado@...

>> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 23:49:39 +0000

>> Subject: ( ) ADD/ADHD?

>>

>>

>> Does any of your children have either of these? Is it common is Autistic

>> children? My son n has to see his Psychologist next month to see how

>> he's doing. I will be talking to him about n and the possibility of

>> him having ADD or ADHD. He has difficulty concentrating in the classroom,

>> his teacher has to tell him to do something 3 times before he responds and

>> even then, he will give her a blank stare. He does the same things at home

>> when we try to talk to him. Can anyone help me with this? I need to talk

>> to a parent who has a child with ADD or ADHD. Thank you in advance

>>

>> Tina

>>

>>

>>

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> “Here's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the

> round pegs in the square holes... the ones who see things differently --

> they're not fond of rules... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify

> or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they

> change things... they push the human race forward, and while some may see

> them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough

> to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do.” - Steve

> Jobs

>

>

>

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