Re: Clarification Needed for Modifications

[Guest guest]

I live in Wisconsin and that is not the case at all!! Yes, the middle school

will have to make accomidations for him, but they are supposed to . As long as

his IEP states that he can receive in class help, you are good to go. My son's

resouce counsler is in all 4 of his core classes plus he has an advisory hour

which is to work on homework, retests and any questions that he did not

understand. Stick to your guns and do not cave.

The wierd thing is when my son was in elementary school, they did not want to

help at all. Now that he is in middle school, they have been helpful. He will be

attending high school next year where I have already been warned I will need to

fight for him to get the extra help as they have too many kids to keep track of.

I hope this helps.

Janice in Wisconsin

---- luz velez <luzadrianna1970@...> wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> I had a conversation with my son's teacher and am trying to make sense of some

of the things she said to me. 

>

> My son (Aspergers, learning disabilities etc.) is in a 5th grade

inclusion class and receives in class support for math.  The teacher indicated

that he is actually in class replacement and that due to the fact that there

are a number of modifications being made that alter the curriculum he should not

be in the classroom.  She indicated that if he needed extra time or altering

the number of problems on the page that would be fine, but otherwise it is too

many modifications and he should be in the resource room.  What we asked for

this year is what had existed for the past 2 years in the elementary school, he

is now in middle school. 

>

> The teacher indicated that I need to have an open mind about his placement

because although there is flexibility and the ability to be creative with his

placement at the elementary level that flexibility does not exist at the middle

school or high school level because the state is more stringent with their

standards at these levels and I should keep an open mind to an alternate

placement.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Does she mean that just for math he should be in the resource room? Is he not

learning the same math that the rest of the class is learning?

>

> Hi All,

>

> I had a conversation with my son's teacher and am trying to make sense of some

of the things she said to me. 

>

> My son (Aspergers, learning disabilities etc.) is in a 5th grade

inclusion class and receives in class support for math.  The teacher indicated

that he is actually in class replacement and that due to the fact that there are

a number of modifications being made that alter the curriculum he should not be

in the classroom.  She indicated that if he needed extra time or altering the

number of problems on the page that would be fine, but otherwise it is too many

modifications and he should be in the resource room.  What we asked for this

year is what had existed for the past 2 years in the elementary school, he is

now in middle school. 

>

> The teacher indicated that I need to have an open mind about his placement

because although there is flexibility and the ability to be creative with his

placement at the elementary level that flexibility does not exist at the middle

school or high school level because the state is more stringent with their

standards at these levels and I should keep an open mind to an alternate

placement.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

[Guest guest]

ok here is my 2 cents - tell them to blow it out thier ear and give your son what he needs and is in his IEP - upper grades my A** . My son just got out of 5th grade and yes it is different so the modifications are different that is why we are having trouble now he is now in Jr. High. we need to make more adjustments and when he gets to HIgh School we are going to be making more. I hate schools right now so I am biter but they are violating his IEP as far as I can see.

Sharon

From: luz velez <luzadrianna1970@...>Subject: Clarification Needed for "Modifications"mosaic-list , njfamilieswautism , Aspergers Treatment , autism , autism-awareness-action Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 1:36 PM

Hi All,

I had a conversation with my son's teacher and am trying to make sense of some of the things she said to me.

My son (Aspergers, learning disabilities etc.) is in a 5th grade inclusion class and receives in class support for math. The teacher indicated that he is actually in class replacement and that due to the fact that there are a number of modifications being made that alter the curriculum he should not be in the classroom. She indicated that if he needed extra time or altering the number of problems on the page that would be fine, but otherwise it is too many modifications and he should be in the resource room. What we asked for this year is what had existed for the past 2 years in the elementary school, he is now in middle school.

The teacher indicated that I need to have an open mind about his placement because although there is flexibility and the ability to be creative with his placement at the elementary level that flexibility does not exist at the middle school or high school level because the state is more stringent with their standards at these levels and I should keep an open mind to an alternate placement.

Any thoughts?

[Guest guest]

ok here is my 2 cents - tell them to blow it out thier ear and give your son what he needs and is in his IEP - upper grades my A** . My son just got out of 5th grade and yes it is different so the modifications are different that is why we are having trouble now he is now in Jr. High. we need to make more adjustments and when he gets to HIgh School we are going to be making more. I hate schools right now so I am biter but they are violating his IEP as far as I can see.

Sharon

From: luz velez <luzadrianna1970@...>Subject: Clarification Needed for "Modifications"mosaic-list , njfamilieswautism , Aspergers Treatment , autism , autism-awareness-action Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 1:36 PM

Hi All,

I had a conversation with my son's teacher and am trying to make sense of some of the things she said to me.

My son (Aspergers, learning disabilities etc.) is in a 5th grade inclusion class and receives in class support for math. The teacher indicated that he is actually in class replacement and that due to the fact that there are a number of modifications being made that alter the curriculum he should not be in the classroom. She indicated that if he needed extra time or altering the number of problems on the page that would be fine, but otherwise it is too many modifications and he should be in the resource room. What we asked for this year is what had existed for the past 2 years in the elementary school, he is now in middle school.

The teacher indicated that I need to have an open mind about his placement because although there is flexibility and the ability to be creative with his placement at the elementary level that flexibility does not exist at the middle school or high school level because the state is more stringent with their standards at these levels and I should keep an open mind to an alternate placement.

Any thoughts?

[Guest guest]

It sounds like this teacher doesn't want to do the work needed for your son to succeed. She is totally wrong. Your son is entitled to be placed in the "least restricted environment possible" not the most convenient environment for her. If I were you I would go above her head and speak to the principal or dean of students or who ever you can to find someone who will let her know that she needs to follow his IEP. I think I would ask myself if this is an indicator of the whole school or just this one teacher. It is the schools job to teach your child and most special ed (I'm assuming this is a non inclusive special ed room) classes that I have seen don't challenge my son much and they tend to increase is negative behaviors from either boredom or imitation (

oh all the years we tried to get him to imitate and this is the stuff he will do! LOL). I would make sure to address this now so the school knows you aren't going to just let him be moved but also that you want to work with them to help your son do the best he can. I know school stuff can be so hard but I have found some great teachers and administrators who truly want the best for my son and will listen to me about what he needs. Kellie

From: luz velez <luzadrianna1970@...>mosaic-list ; njfamilieswautism ; Aspergers Treatment ; autism ; autism-awareness-action Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:36:51 PMSubject: Clarification Needed for "Modifications"

Hi All,

I had a conversation with my son's teacher and am trying to make sense of some of the things she said to me.

My son (Aspergers, learning disabilities etc.) is in a 5th grade inclusion class and receives in class support for math. The teacher indicated that he is actually in class replacement and that due to the fact that there are a number of modifications being made that alter the curriculum he should not be in the classroom. She indicated that if he needed extra time or altering the number of problems on the page that would be fine, but otherwise it is too many modifications and he should be in the resource room. What we asked for this year is what had existed for the past 2 years in the elementary school, he is now in middle school.

The teacher indicated that I need to have an open mind about his placement because although there is flexibility and the ability to be creative with his placement at the elementary level that flexibility does not exist at the middle school or high school level because the state is more stringent with their standards at these levels and I should keep an open mind to an alternate placement.

Any thoughts?

[Guest guest]

It sounds like this teacher doesn't want to do the work needed for your son to succeed. She is totally wrong. Your son is entitled to be placed in the "least restricted environment possible" not the most convenient environment for her. If I were you I would go above her head and speak to the principal or dean of students or who ever you can to find someone who will let her know that she needs to follow his IEP. I think I would ask myself if this is an indicator of the whole school or just this one teacher. It is the schools job to teach your child and most special ed (I'm assuming this is a non inclusive special ed room) classes that I have seen don't challenge my son much and they tend to increase is negative behaviors from either boredom or imitation (

oh all the years we tried to get him to imitate and this is the stuff he will do! LOL). I would make sure to address this now so the school knows you aren't going to just let him be moved but also that you want to work with them to help your son do the best he can. I know school stuff can be so hard but I have found some great teachers and administrators who truly want the best for my son and will listen to me about what he needs. Kellie

From: luz velez <luzadrianna1970@...>mosaic-list ; njfamilieswautism ; Aspergers Treatment ; autism ; autism-awareness-action Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:36:51 PMSubject: Clarification Needed for "Modifications"

Hi All,

I had a conversation with my son's teacher and am trying to make sense of some of the things she said to me.

My son (Aspergers, learning disabilities etc.) is in a 5th grade inclusion class and receives in class support for math. The teacher indicated that he is actually in class replacement and that due to the fact that there are a number of modifications being made that alter the curriculum he should not be in the classroom. She indicated that if he needed extra time or altering the number of problems on the page that would be fine, but otherwise it is too many modifications and he should be in the resource room. What we asked for this year is what had existed for the past 2 years in the elementary school, he is now in middle school.

The teacher indicated that I need to have an open mind about his placement because although there is flexibility and the ability to be creative with his placement at the elementary level that flexibility does not exist at the middle school or high school level because the state is more stringent with their standards at these levels and I should keep an open mind to an alternate placement.

Any thoughts?

[Guest guest]

Kellie,

Could you reply to me personally please? I’d like to talk to

you. I live in jersey, you?

Debra Byrne

1:1 aide

byrne2@...

From:

autism

[mailto:autism ] On Behalf Of Kellie

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:34 PM

autism

Subject: Re: Clarification Needed for " Modifications "

It sounds like this teacher

doesn't want to do the work needed for your son to succeed. She is

totally wrong. Your son is entitled to be placed in the " least

restricted environment possible " not the most convenient environment

for her. If I were you I would go above her head and speak to the principal

or dean of students or who ever you can to find someone who will let her know

that she needs to follow his IEP. I think I would ask myself if this is

an indicator of the whole school or just this one teacher. It is the

schools job to teach your child and most special ed (I'm assuming this is a non

inclusive special ed room) classes that I have seen don't challenge my son much

and they tend to increase is negative behaviors from either boredom or

imitation ( oh all the years we tried to get him to imitate and this is the

stuff he will do! LOL). I would make sure to address this now so the

school knows you aren't going to just let him be moved but also that you want

to work with them to help your son do the best he can. I know school

stuff can be so hard but I have found some great teachers and

administrators who truly want the best for my son and will listen to me about

what he needs. Kellie

From: luz velez

<luzadrianna1970@...>

mosaic-list ; njfamilieswautism ;

Aspergers Treatment ; autism ;

autism-awareness-action

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:36:51 PM

Subject: Clarification Needed for " Modifications "

Hi All,

I had a conversation with my son's teacher and am trying to

make sense of some of the things she said to me.

My son (Aspergers, learning disabilities etc.) is in a

5th grade inclusion class and receives in class support for math.

The teacher indicated that he is actually in class replacement and that due

to the fact that there are a number of modifications being made that alter

the curriculum he should not be in the classroom. She indicated that if

he needed extra time or altering the number of problems on the page that would

be fine, but otherwise it is too many modifications and he should be in the

resource room. What we asked for this year is what had existed for the

past 2 years in the elementary school, he is now in middle school.

The teacher indicated that I need to have an open mind about

his placement because although there is flexibility and the ability to be

creative with his placement at the elementary level that flexibility does not

exist at the middle school or high school level because the state is more

stringent with their standards at these levels and I should keep an open mind

to an alternate placement.

Any thoughts?

[Guest guest]

Kellie,

Could you reply to me personally please? I’d like to talk to

you. I live in jersey, you?

Debra Byrne

1:1 aide

byrne2@...

From:

autism

[mailto:autism ] On Behalf Of Kellie

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:34 PM

autism

Subject: Re: Clarification Needed for " Modifications "

It sounds like this teacher

doesn't want to do the work needed for your son to succeed. She is

totally wrong. Your son is entitled to be placed in the " least

restricted environment possible " not the most convenient environment

for her. If I were you I would go above her head and speak to the principal

or dean of students or who ever you can to find someone who will let her know

that she needs to follow his IEP. I think I would ask myself if this is

an indicator of the whole school or just this one teacher. It is the

schools job to teach your child and most special ed (I'm assuming this is a non

inclusive special ed room) classes that I have seen don't challenge my son much

and they tend to increase is negative behaviors from either boredom or

imitation ( oh all the years we tried to get him to imitate and this is the

stuff he will do! LOL). I would make sure to address this now so the

school knows you aren't going to just let him be moved but also that you want

to work with them to help your son do the best he can. I know school

stuff can be so hard but I have found some great teachers and

administrators who truly want the best for my son and will listen to me about

what he needs. Kellie

From: luz velez

<luzadrianna1970@...>

mosaic-list ; njfamilieswautism ;

Aspergers Treatment ; autism ;

autism-awareness-action

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:36:51 PM

Subject: Clarification Needed for " Modifications "

Hi All,

I had a conversation with my son's teacher and am trying to

make sense of some of the things she said to me.

My son (Aspergers, learning disabilities etc.) is in a

5th grade inclusion class and receives in class support for math.

The teacher indicated that he is actually in class replacement and that due

to the fact that there are a number of modifications being made that alter

the curriculum he should not be in the classroom. She indicated that if

he needed extra time or altering the number of problems on the page that would

be fine, but otherwise it is too many modifications and he should be in the

resource room. What we asked for this year is what had existed for the

past 2 years in the elementary school, he is now in middle school.

The teacher indicated that I need to have an open mind about

his placement because although there is flexibility and the ability to be

creative with his placement at the elementary level that flexibility does not

exist at the middle school or high school level because the state is more

stringent with their standards at these levels and I should keep an open mind

to an alternate placement.

Any thoughts?

[Guest guest]

Wow, I don't know about all school districts, but ours really pushes the kids to be main streamed as much as possible. In fact, they have tried to put Maddie into classes that I know were not a good fit for her. I would call your principal and do you have a a Director of Special Ed to help you? Also, is there an advocate in the area? We have one through the local ARC. Our ARC/Advocate covers all special needs - not just MR. I always thought the law was written so our kids could be placed in the least restrictive environment they can (Gaskins Law). I know kids that have TONS of modifications in our district from modifying their homework and even how much of the curriculum they cover (in History the one class covers a chapter a week - one boy covers a chapter every 2 weeks and the teacher

adjusts so she can teach the one boy and the remainder of the class) and they use those modifications all the way through High School. In fact, most parents have to fight to pull their kids back to a room that isn't so overwhelming for their kids. I would see if you could meet with the school and just have a brainstorming meeting - I don't like to make decisions at that meeting because I like time to think and pray on it before I decide what is best for Maddie. At first it may sound good, but when I think and look at the outcome I change my mind:) I hope you can work something out:( I hate schools and how they try to make us feel they know what is best for our kids and that I don't always have options.

Rhonda

From: luz velez <luzadrianna1970@...>Subject: Clarification Needed for "Modifications"mosaic-list , njfamilieswautism , Aspergers Treatment , autism , autism-awareness-action Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 2:36 PM

Hi All,

I had a conversation with my son's teacher and am trying to make sense of some of the things she said to me.

My son (Aspergers, learning disabilities etc.) is in a 5th grade inclusion class and receives in class support for math. The teacher indicated that he is actually in class replacement and that due to the fact that there are a number of modifications being made that alter the curriculum he should not be in the classroom. She indicated that if he needed extra time or altering the number of problems on the page that would be fine, but otherwise it is too many modifications and he should be in the resource room. What we asked for this year is what had existed for the past 2 years in the elementary school, he is now in middle school.

The teacher indicated that I need to have an open mind about his placement because although there is flexibility and the ability to be creative with his placement at the elementary level that flexibility does not exist at the middle school or high school level because the state is more stringent with their standards at these levels and I should keep an open mind to an alternate placement.

Any thoughts?

[Guest guest]

My son has a 1:1 paraprofessional with him in the regular classroom. He is in

7th grade. He sometimes gets pulled if he isn't actually doing the work and

sometimes he gets pulled if he is causing some disruption but pretty much he is

in the regular classroom otherwise. He has modifications in how many problems

he has to do for math and his written work is less than the other kids. He also

can use a computer and we are buying him a laptop for school so he can take

notes. Sometimes need to have someone scribe for him or ask him questions

he can answer aloud. If he has to answer aloud then that needs to be done

somewhere else. I'm not sure what other modifications your child has but it

seems like unless it is disruptive your son should be able to stay in the

regular classroom.

Miriam

>

> Hi All,

>

> I had a conversation with my son's teacher and am trying to make sense of some

of the things she said to me. 

>

> My son (Aspergers, learning disabilities etc.) is in a 5th grade

inclusion class and receives in class support for math.  The teacher indicated

that he is actually in class replacement and that due to the fact that there are

a number of modifications being made that alter the curriculum he should not be

in the classroom.  She indicated that if he needed extra time or altering the

number of problems on the page that would be fine, but otherwise it is too many

modifications and he should be in the resource room.  What we asked for this

year is what had existed for the past 2 years in the elementary school, he is

now in middle school. 

>

> The teacher indicated that I need to have an open mind about his placement

because although there is flexibility and the ability to be creative with his

placement at the elementary level that flexibility does not exist at the middle

school or high school level because the state is more stringent with their

standards at these levels and I should keep an open mind to an alternate

placement.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

[Guest guest]

The same rules apply from elementary to high school. What changes are

the expectations that teachers have about what your ds should be doing

on his own. The older he gets, the more they will expect him to do on

his own, whether it's realistic or not. (I don't mean that teachers

don't have realistic expectations, many probably do. But I found this

to be a problem with special education for my kids - that they were

expected to stop having learning problems as they got older, which was

not realistic.)

It sounds like what the teacher is trying to say is that they have a

specific program in place and your ds is not fitting the mold. She

feels he needs too much help and he should be in a different

placement/class for that help. Really, it is dependent upon what he

needs and how he is doing. She is right in that you should keep an

open mind about placement options. She is wrong that there is less

flexibility. But, if they have a certain program in place, then you

might have to push to make any changes to their already-in-place

program. It can be done. I have been told many times, " We can't do

that " or " you'll never get that. " Almost always, I have. But you have

to push if you want something that is beyond what they " usually do. "

Good luck!

 Roxanna

" The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do

nothing. " =2

0E. Burke

( ) Clarification Needed for " Modifications "

Hi All,

 

I had a conversation with my son's teacher and am trying to make sense

of some of the things she said to me. 

My son (Aspergers, learning disabilities etc.) is in a 5th grade

inclusion class and receives in class support for math.  The teacher

indicated that he is actually in class replacement and that due to the

fact that there are a number of modifications being made that alter the

curriculum he should not be in the classroom.  She indicated that if he

needed extra time or altering the number of problems on the page that

would be fine, but otherwise it is too many modifications and he should

be in the resource room.  What we asked for this year is what had

existed for the past 2 years in the elementary school, he is now in

middle school. 

The teacher indicated that I need to have an open mind about his

placement because although there is flexibility and the ability to be

creative with his placement at the elementary level that flexibility

does not exist at the middle school or

high school level because the

state is more stringent with their standards at these levels and I

should keep an open mind to an alternate placement.

 

Any thoughts?

 

 

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > I had a conversation with my son's teacher and am trying to make sense of

some of the things she said to me. 

> >

> > My son (Aspergers, learning disabilities etc.) is in a 5th grade

inclusion class and receives in class support for math.  The teacher indicated

that he is actually in class replacement and that due to the fact that there are

a number of modifications being made that alter the curriculum he should not be

in the classroom.  She indicated that if he needed extra time or altering the

number of problems on the page that would be fine, but otherwise it is too many

modifications and he should be in the resource room.  What we asked for this

year is what had existed for the past 2 years in the elementary school, he is

now in middle school. 

> >

> > The teacher indicated that I need to have an open mind about his placement

because although there is flexibility and the ability to be creative with his

placement at the elementary level that flexibility does not exist at the middle

school or high school level because the state is more stringent with their

standards at these levels and I should keep an open mind to an alternate

placement.

> >

> > Any thoughts?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sounds likour experience here in Michigan! Elementary school was so difficult! Our daughter is dx Aspergers/LD/mood disorder, and the school staff also did not see the need for accomadations or special ed help. Now at the MS, most staff are experienced with teaching to the diverse student ability levels. is in all gen ed classes, the spec ed teacher co-teaches in the math and english classrooms. She also has "study skills" for 7th hour, getting caught up on notes, assignments, reading etc. MI state rules call for all special ed students, in the gen ed population, to receive support in gen ed classes, as much as possible.

Jillian- Michigan

From: "janices@..." <janices@...> ; njfamilieswautism ; autism ; autism-awareness-action ; mosaic-list Cc: luz velez <luzadrianna1970@...>Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:23:55 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Clarification Needed for "Modifications"

I live in Wisconsin and that is not the case at all!! Yes, the middle school will have to make accomidations for him, but they are supposed to . As long as his IEP states that he can receive in class help, you are good to go. My son's resouce counsler is in all 4 of his core classes plus he has an advisory hour which is to work on homework, retests and any questions that he did not understand. Stick to your guns and do not cave.The wierd thing is when my son was in elementary school, they did not want to help at all. Now that he is in middle school, they have been helpful. He will be attending high school next year where I have already been warned I will need to fight for him to get the extra help as they have too many kids to keep track of. I hope this helps.Janice in Wisconsin---- luz velez <luzadrianna1970@

> wrote: > Hi All,> > I had a conversation with my son's teacher and am trying to make sense of some of the things she said to me. > > My son (Aspergers, learning disabilities etc.) is in a 5th grade inclusion class and receives in class support for math. The teacher indicated that he is actually in class replacement and that due to the fact that there are a number of modifications being made that alter the curriculum he should not be in the classroom. She indicated that if he needed extra time or altering the number of problems on the page that would be fine, but otherwise it is too many modifications and he should be in the resource room. What we asked for this year is what had existed for the past 2 years in the elementary school, he is now in middle school. > > The teacher indicated that I need to have an open mind about his placement

because although there is flexibility and the ability to be creative with his placement at the elementary level that flexibility does not exist at the middle school or high school level because the state is more stringent with their standards at these levels and I should keep an open mind to an alternate placement.> > Any thoughts?> > >