Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 nothing for aspergers you actually will get more for adhd, however the schoo should also do a full scale eval including ot and can use autism spectrum and then there is mor help available if you can take an advocate which should be available in your state or your county. From: Cathleen Veloria <cathleen.veloria@...>Subject: ( ) ADHD,AS,AUTISM? Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 6:43 PM Hello everyone, this post is coming a little late. My IEP meeting is tomorrow and I'm very nervous. My question and excuse me if it's been answered, is there a fundamental difference in services offered by the school if my son is labeled, ADHD, or AS or Austistic? We have OHI, and SLD right now. If so, do I need to pursue this further? right now with the OHI/ADHD label, we are getting squat for accomodations, (stickers and high fives). Any ideas will help me tomorrow, Thanks, Cathleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Thank you, we'll see what happens From: Beneteau <amandabeneteau@...> Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 11:15:25 AMSubject: Re: ( ) ADHD,AS,AUTISM? nothing for aspergers you actually will get more for adhd, however the schoo should also do a full scale eval including ot and can use autism spectrum and then there is mor help available if you can take an advocate which should be available in your state or your county. From: Cathleen Veloria <cathleen.veloria@...>Subject: ( ) ADHD,AS,AUTISM? Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 6:43 PM Hello everyone, this post is coming a little late. My IEP meeting is tomorrow and I'm very nervous. My question and excuse me if it's been answered, is there a fundamental difference in services offered by the school if my son is labeled, ADHD, or AS or Austistic? We have OHI, and SLD right now. If so, do I need to pursue this further? right now with the OHI/ADHD label, we are getting squat for accomodations, (stickers and high fives). Any ideas will help me tomorrow, Thanks, Cathleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 I don't know that it has as much to do with the label as it does with how their disability is " affecting them academically " . My son has received the same services for sld and autism spectrum. I got the impression everyone on th spectrum is labels autism spectrum with our school. I have only gotten more services when my son hs proved that his disability is affecting him academically. I still think it is good to get the asd label for future need, but in my experience it is more important to prove his disability is hindering his learning than to fight for any label! Good luck..... > > > >From: Cathleen Veloria <cathleen.veloria@...> > >Subject: ( ) ADHD,AS,AUTISM? > > > >Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 6:43 PM > > > > > > > >Hello everyone, > > > >this post is coming a little late. My IEP meeting is tomorrow and I'm very > >nervous. My question and excuse me if it's been answered, is there a > >fundamental difference in services offered by the school if my son is labeled, > >ADHD, or AS or Austistic? We have OHI, and SLD right now. If so, do I need to > >pursue this further? right now with the OHI/ADHD label, we are getting squat for > >accomodations, (stickers and high fives). Any ideas will help me tomorrow, > >Thanks, > >Cathleen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 In Oregon, Autism gets WAY more of everything. If you put ADHD on the list at all, it's like asking to have all the doors shut in your face - as though ADHD doesn't (all by itself) interfere with their ability to learn (if you can't sit still and focus, how do you absorb the lesson?). Getting the autism team on board has been a whole different world for us! > > Hello everyone, > > this post is coming a little late. My IEP meeting is tomorrow and I'm very > nervous. My question and excuse me if it's been answered, is there a > fundamental difference in services offered by the school if my son is labeled, > ADHD, or AS or Austistic? We have OHI, and SLD right now. If so, do I need to > pursue this further? right now with the OHI/ADHD label, we are getting squat for > accomodations, (stickers and high fives). Any ideas will help me tomorrow, > Thanks, > Cathleen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 services are based on need and not on dx. If you are not receiving appropriate services based on your child's need - no matter what dx or classification they are using - then the IEP is not sufficient and you should rewrite it based on your child's needs. Roxanna "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson ( ) ADHD,AS,AUTISM? Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 6:43 PM Hello everyone, this post is coming a little late. My IEP meeting is tomorrow and I'm very nervous. My question and excuse me if it's been answered, is there a fundamental difference in services offered by the school if my son is labeled, ADHD, or AS or Austistic? We have OHI, and SLD right now. If so, do I need to pursue this further? right now with the OHI/ADHD label, we are getting squat for accomodations, (stickers and high fives). Any ideas will help me tomorrow, Thanks, Cathleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 Roxanna, You are so right, that is why yesterday we declined their silly IEP. We are pulling Dylan out immediately from this school. What we do next is unclear. I am so frustrated and crying at the same time. Cathleen From: Roxanna <MadIdeas@...> Sent: Sat, January 15, 2011 8:31:39 AMSubject: Re: ( ) ADHD,AS,AUTISM? services are based on need and not on dx. If you are not receiving appropriate services based on your child's need - no matter what dx or classification they are using - then the IEP is not sufficient and you should rewrite it based on your child's needs. Roxanna"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson ( ) ADHD,AS,AUTISM? Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 6:43 PM Hello everyone, this post is coming a little late. My IEP meeting is tomorrow and I'm very nervous. My question and excuse me if it's been answered, is there a fundamental difference in services offered by the school if my son is labeled, ADHD, or AS or Austistic? We have OHI, and SLD right now. If so, do I need to pursue this further? right now with the OHI/ADHD label, we are getting squat for accomodations, (stickers and high fives). Any ideas will help me tomorrow, Thanks, Cathleen Ro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I hope you figure something out, Cathleen! I have sure been there many times. Roxanna "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson ( ) ADHD,AS,AUTISM? Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 6:43 PM Hello everyone, this post is coming a little late. My IEP meeting is tomorrow and I'm very nervous. My question and excuse me if it's been answered, is there a fundamental difference in services offered by the school if my son is labeled, ADHD, or AS or Austistic? We have OHI, and SLD right now. If so, do I need to pursue this further? right now with the OHI/ADHD label, we are getting squat for accomodations, (stickers and high fives). Any ideas will help me tomorrow, Thanks, Cathleen Ro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Thank you Roxanna. You are one of the few who responded to my post, so I thank you so much. I am touring a private school tomorrow. We can't afford this school. My advocate says it's like a poker game. We enroll him in NPS and gamble they'll pay for it. I'm very nervous about that. My advocate just e-mailed me yestereday and said "what would you say if the school didn't pay your tuition", and I freaked out. I thought we had a no-brainer of a case because they violated all areas of FAPE. Now we wait for the District to react to our dissenting to the IEP. Meanwhile Dylan continues to attend GE without any services. ok i'm rambling. I'm a little in the dark as to what will happen next. since you've been in my shoes before, any ideas? Best regards, Cathleen From: Roxanna <MadIdeas@...> Sent: Tue, January 18, 2011 2:16:53 PMSubject: Re: ( ) ADHD,AS,AUTISM? I hope you figure something out, Cathleen! I have sure been there many times. Roxanna"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson ( ) ADHD,AS,AUTISM? Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 6:43 PM Hello everyone, this post is coming a little late. My IEP meeting is tomorrow and I'm very nervous. My question and excuse me if it's been answered, is there a fundamental difference in services offered by the school if my son is labeled, ADHD, or AS or Austistic? We have OHI, and SLD right now. If so, do I need to pursue this further? right now with the OHI/ADHD label, we are getting squat for accomodations, (stickers and high fives). Any ideas will help me tomorrow, Thanks, Cathleen Ro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I have never had a private placement paid for by the school. I have been in really tough spots before - many times - trying to get the school to provide services and supports that they were refusing to provide. To get the school to pay for a private placement would be hard, I would think. It will cost them money. And they already show a pattern of not wanting to spend money on your kid - so you will be asking them to spend more on him. I'd want to have a lot of data showing that they have failed to provide FAPE. If you have plenty of data, your advocate might be really confident. But these things can be so tedious and hammering out a deal can hinge on so many things. We once spent almost the whole school year arguing for an appropriate program for one of our ds's. In hindsight, we should have filed due process right off the bat and not spent time trying to work things out. But then again, we might have lost in due process because we hadn't tried to work it out first. So who knows. We ended up getting everything we were asking for. But it cost us a fortune in legal fees to do that! In the end it was worthwhile because the program worked and our ds advanced rapidly. But it was a game of back and forth and who said what and so forth. It was really maddening to go through the process. One thing we did have to do was set up a home ABA program at our expense in order to show that the ABA was working in contrast to the school's program, which was not working. That may be the tactic your advocate is using - I don't know. But I agree, it's stressful to be hanging in limbo on this. There are ways to force the school to get serious with you - filing due process (can be expensive!) or requesting mediation or even filing a complaint with the state. I have two friends who did get private placement paid for by the school - one had to fight every step of the way, the other waited a few years before they were so obviously not helping her ds that when she asked for outside placement, they agreed. Same school, too. Both kids were high needs. Let us know how it works out! If you are really stressing, ask the advocate to go over the master plan with you as to how you are going to talk the school into paying for a private placement. Maybe if you see how he/she plans to deal with this, you will be reassured? Roxanna "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson ( ) ADHD,AS,AUTISM? Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 6:43 PM Hello everyone, this post is coming a little late. My IEP meeting is tomorrow and I'm very nervous. My question and excuse me if it's been answered, is there a fundamental difference in services offered by the school if my son is labeled, ADHD, or AS or Austistic? We have OHI, and SLD right now. If so, do I need to pursue this further? right now with the OHI/ADHD label, we are getting squat for accomodations, (stickers and high fives). Any ideas will help me tomorrow, Thanks, Cathleen Ro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Roxanna, Don't mean to drag this out, but you are right on target with our situation. And-We are starting inhome 2 hours a week ABA therapy soon. We feel we need to do something on the homefront along with the school doing their part to help Dylan. How did ABA work for you? Cathleen From: Roxanna <MadIdeas@...> Sent: Tue, January 18, 2011 7:17:39 PMSubject: Re: ( ) ADHD,AS,AUTISM? I have never had a private placement paid for by the school. I have been in really tough spots before - many times - trying to get the school to provide services and supports that they were refusing to provide. To get the school to pay for a private placement would be hard, I would think. It will cost them money. And they already show a pattern of not wanting to spend money on your kid - so you will be asking them to spend more on him. I'd want to have a lot of data showing that they have failed to provide FAPE. If you have plenty of data, your advocate might be really confident. But these things can be so tedious and hammering out a deal can hinge on so many things. We once spent almost the whole school year arguing for an appropriate program for one of our ds's. In hindsight, we should have filed due process right off the bat and not spent time trying to work things out. But then again, we might have lost in due process because we hadn't tried to work it out first. So who knows. We ended up getting everything we were asking for. But it cost us a fortune in legal fees to do that! In the end it was worthwhile because the program worked and our ds advanced rapidly. But it was a game of back and forth and who said what and so forth. It was really maddening to go through the process. One thing we did have to do was set up a home ABA program at our expense in order to show that the ABA was working in contrast to the school's program, which was not working. That may be the tactic your advocate is using - I don't know. But I agree, it's stressful to be hanging in limbo on this. There are ways to force the school to get serious with you - filing due process (can be expensive!) or requesting mediation or even filing a complaint with the state. I have two friends who did get private placement paid for by the school - one had to fight every step of the way, the other waited a few years before they were so obviously not helping her ds that when she asked for outside placement, they agreed. Same school, too. Both kids were high needs. Let us know how it works out! If you are really stressing, ask the advocate to go over the master plan with you as to how you are going to talk the school into paying for a private placement. Maybe if you see how he/she plans to deal with this, you will be reassured? Roxanna"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson ( ) ADHD,AS,AUTISM? Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 6:43 PM Hello everyone, this post is coming a little late. My IEP meeting is tomorrow and I'm very nervous. My question and excuse me if it's been answered, is there a fundamental difference in services offered by the school if my son is labeled, ADHD, or AS or Austistic? We have OHI, and SLD right now. If so, do I need to pursue this further? right now with the OHI/ADHD label, we are getting squat for accomodations, (stickers and high fives). Any ideas will help me tomorrow, Thanks, Cathleen Ro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Does the private school you're considering specialize in kids with learning disabilities? How did you find it? I'm in San Diego north county, so I'm curious about your situation. > > Thank you Roxanna. You are one of the few who responded to my post, so I thank > you so much. I am touring a private school tomorrow. We can't afford this > school. My advocate says it's like a poker game. We enroll him in NPS and gamble > they'll pay for it. I'm very nervous about that. My advocate just e-mailed me > yestereday and said " what would you say if the school didn't pay your tuition " , > and I freaked out. I thought we had a no-brainer of a case because they violated > all areas of FAPE. > > Now we wait for the District to react to our dissenting to the IEP. Meanwhile > Dylan continues to attend GE without any services. ok i'm rambling. I'm a little > in the dark as to what will happen next. since you've been in my shoes before, > any ideas? > > Best regards, > Cathleen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I wouldn't place my child in private school first.Please read your state's special ed regulations and should be more info about this in there.I found out how much each child in our state gets per child with SpEd supports and I say it was easier to get private ed. But we did homebound first.Also I advocated myself for my son.R-- Sent from my Palm PreOn Jan 18, 2011 17:29, Cathleen Veloria <cathleen.veloria@...> wrote: Thank you Roxanna. You are one of the few who responded to my post, so I thank you so much. I am touring a private school tomorrow. We can't afford this school. My advocate says it's like a poker game. We enroll him in NPS and gamble they'll pay for it. I'm very nervous about that. My advocate just e-mailed me yestereday and said "what would you say if the school didn't pay your tuition", and I freaked out. I thought we had a no-brainer of a case because they violated all areas of FAPE. Now we wait for the District to react to our dissenting to the IEP. Meanwhile Dylan continues to attend GE without any services. ok i'm rambling. I'm a little in the dark as to what will happen next. since you've been in my shoes before, any ideas? Best regards, Cathleen From: Roxanna <MadIdeas@...> Sent: Tue, January 18, 2011 2:16:53 PMSubject: Re: ( ) ADHD,AS,AUTISM? I hope you figure something out, Cathleen! I have sure been there many times. Roxanna"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson ( ) ADHD,AS,AUTISM? Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 6:43 PM Hello everyone, this post is coming a little late. My IEP meeting is tomorrow and I'm very nervous. My question and excuse me if it's been answered, is there a fundamental difference in services offered by the school if my son is labeled, ADHD, or AS or Austistic? We have OHI, and SLD right now. If so, do I need to pursue this further? right now with the OHI/ADHD label, we are getting squat for accomodations, (stickers and high fives). Any ideas will help me tomorrow, Thanks, Cathleen Ro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 You aren't dragging anything out. Talking about these things is important, IMO! ABA worked really well for us. Our ds was autistic and not high functioning to begin with. He had no language (echolalia present though) and was pretty happy not connecting with anyone all day long. He spent a year in the school pre-k sped program and did not advance one inch. We started the ABA and he instantly began to learn and advance. And of course, ABA is a data driven methodology so we had tons of data to show it was working as well. In our case, we weren't asking for an outside placement but rather a specific methodology be taught with our ds. Hopefully, with your situation, you have been documenting the problems and creating a paper trail as you went? Things like their refusal to address all of his special education needs should be put in writing and will definitely help you create a case against them for not providing FAPE. This is because this is the law and while you can argue over meaning of all the "the's" in the law, providing for all his sped needs is a biggie. For instance, they may argue with you over what kind of help he needs but if they are saying "We don't have to address that because it's not part of the ADHD", then that is different since it is refusing to even consider all his sped needs in the first place. I think the difference is important, IMO. And maybe that is what your advocate is thinking? Roxanna "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson ( ) ADHD,AS,AUTISM? Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 6:43 PM Hello everyone, this post is coming a little late. My IEP meeting is tomorrow and I'm very nervous. My question and excuse me if it's been answered, is there a fundamental difference in services offered by the school if my son is labeled, ADHD, or AS or Austistic? We have OHI, and SLD right now. If so, do I need to pursue this further? right now with the OHI/ADHD label, we are getting squat for accomodations, (stickers and high fives). Any ideas will help me tomorrow, Thanks, Cathleen Ro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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