Re: What is the connection?

[Guest guest]

something my primary care physician told me regarding Mercury is that alpha

lipoic acid can cause the release of mercury from other tissues and put it

into circulation which then can deposit/wind up overloading the thyroid......

I have not researched this........

[Guest guest]

Barbara,

Have you had any improvemet with cholestryamine? And, if so, what is that improvement?

Best regards,

Joe

Barbara Herskovitz <bherk@...> wrote:

Dear Barbara,

I read your latest post about your exposure and illness. What do you think is the connection between your exposure to toxic molds and subsequently developing fibromyalgia? Can you walk me through it?

,

Here is my theory - for what it is worth. In my case, the exposure came when I was coping with an injury that required surgical repair and pregnancy. Exposure to the toxins produced by this group of molds can cause your immune system to become extremely depressed. Perhaps these organisms are capable of manipulating our biochemistry in some way in order to survive and be fed like the candida yeast does. So, say we are affected and begin to slowly crave more and more carbs which in turn feeds the yeast - it won't be long before we are overwhelmed by the yeast growth.

Perhaps some of our members who understand hypoglycemia could jump in here and explain it better but I do know this, people who have developed fibro actually begin to improve when they take guaifenesin. Initially, the symptoms are worsened, but they begin to clear the deposits that cause pain out because the guai allows the kidneys to function properly and deplete the excess phosphate. Hopefully, I didn't garble that too much but you basically go from exposure to sickness and stress, to immune depression to illness (in my case, fibro). This may be one factor in why one person is severely sickened and the person in the next office shows few, if any symptoms.

Now, if we could just develop a few tests to make early detection possible, perhaps there wouldn't be millions of people seeking disability.

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[Guest guest]

Well I'll make this even more complicate.

I am new to this list but bring info from other lists and personal experience. I had CFS and Fibro for years.I also had a mold problem in this house for which I did not consider it to be a problem. I also have been diagnosed with mercury toxicity.When a person is mercury toxic the immune system is compromised,most or all people with mercury have candida .Many People with mercury toxicity have thyroid problems, thyroid problems can cause CFS and Fibro.

First I increased my thyroid meds and the Fibro got sooooo much better and was gone in about 3 wks, then I researched why any woman my size would need such a large dose of thyroid meds.

This is when I found that mercury interferes with thyroid hormone.So then I got tested for mercury ....came back highly elevated. This made sense since my symptoms got worse and new ones appeared after having amalgams removed 3 yrs ago.So one of my points is that is you have amalgam fillings you could be mercury toxic and the immune system will be compromised and you have much more of a problem with yeast molds viruses etc etc .Many people with mercury have MCS problem with molds and yeast, Lyme CFS Fibro and once you detox the mercury the immune system is stronger and able to deal with the other problems.Exposure to mold can be the straw that breaks the camels back just one thing to many for the immune system to deal with.

Chantal

P.Sp a good website for Fibro and it's relation to thyroid is www.drlowe.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Barbara Herskovitz

Sick Buildings Information & Support

Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:47 PM

Subject: [] What is the connection?

Dear Barbara,

I read your latest post about your exposure and illness. What do you think is the connection between your exposure to toxic molds and subsequently developing fibromyalgia? Can you walk me through it?

,

Here is my theory - for what it is worth. In my case, the exposure came when I was coping with an injury that required surgical repair and pregnancy. Exposure to the toxins produced by this group of molds can cause your immune system to become extremely depressed. Perhaps these organisms are capable of manipulating our biochemistry in some way in order to survive and be fed like the candida yeast does. So, say we are affected and begin to slowly crave more and more carbs which in turn feeds the yeast - it won't be long before we are overwhelmed by the yeast growth.

Perhaps some of our members who understand hypoglycemia could jump in here and explain it better but I do know this, people who have developed fibro actually begin to improve when they take guaifenesin. Initially, the symptoms are worsened, but they begin to clear the deposits that cause pain out because the guai allows the kidneys to function properly and deplete the excess phosphate. Hopefully, I didn't garble that too much but you basically go from exposure to sickness and stress, to immune depression to illness (in my case, fibro). This may be one factor in why one person is severely sickened and the person in the next office shows few, if any symptoms.

Now, if we could just develop a few tests to make early detection possible, perhaps there wouldn't be millions of people seeking disability.

BarbaraFAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

[Guest guest]

One more thing I didn't include in my post about thyroid and Fibro is that if the guaifenesin.helps by removing deposits....thryoid will also do this because when you are low on thyroid everthing slows down and you don't eliminate anything as well so by increasing or adding thyroid your metabolism speeds up and does what it is supposed to do.I think it helps eliminate toxins mucus etc.

Chantal

----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Klein

Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:03 PM

Subject: Re: [] What is the connection?

Barbara, Have you had any improvemet with cholestryamine? And, if so, what is that improvement? Best regards,

Joe Barbara Herskovitz <bherk@...> wrote:

Dear Barbara,

I read your latest post about your exposure and illness. What do you think is the connection between your exposure to toxic molds and subsequently developing fibromyalgia? Can you walk me through it?

,

Here is my theory - for what it is worth. In my case, the exposure came when I was coping with an injury that required surgical repair and pregnancy. Exposure to the toxins produced by this group of molds can cause your immune system to become extremely depressed. Perhaps these organisms are capable of manipulating our biochemistry in some way in order to survive and be fed like the candida yeast does. So, say we are affected and begin to slowly crave more and more carbs which in turn feeds the yeast - it won't be long before we are overwhelmed by the yeast growth.

Perhaps some of our members who understand hypoglycemia could jump in here and explain it better but I do know this, people who have developed fibro actually begin to improve when they take guaifenesin. Initially, the symptoms are worsened, but they begin to clear the deposits that cause pain out because the guai allows the kidneys to function properly and deplete the excess phosphate. Hopefully, I didn't garble that too much but you basically go from exposure to sickness and stress, to immune depression to illness (in my case, fibro). This may be one factor in why one person is severely sickened and the person in the next office shows few, if any symptoms.

Now, if we could just develop a few tests to make early detection possible, perhaps there wouldn't be millions of people seeking disability.

BarbaraFAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

Just want to take the opportunity to shed some light on the question being posed......"what is the possible connection between toxic mold exposure and fibro?" Please visit the website: chronicneurotoxins.com, then double click on VCS Test, then studies, then the article entitled "Fibromyalgia: Anatomy of a Phantom Illness......."

This website belongs to Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker and he explains how chronic, neurotoxin-mediated illnesses are acquired, stored in the body and physically manifest. Whether suffering from Chronic Lyme disease, Ciguatera, Pfiesteria-Related Human Illness, CFS or toxic mold....the one thing these diseases have in common is that they are all neurotoxin mediated.

These neurotoxins exhibit similar physical symptoms and when the offending toxin is removed, the patient may receive some symptom relief, however, never really recovers 100%. The reason is because once the toxin enters the body it is then stored in the fatty tissues of the body which are distributed throughout. Sequestered in the fat cells, basically "outside of the bloodstream", these neurotoxins render the immune system relatively helpless in mounting an attack, as the immune response depends on blood flow to deliver its disease fighting package.

Dr. Shoemaker also authored a book titled "Desperation Medicine".where he goes into detail about many neurotoxin mediated diseases and treatment.

The treatment: cholestyramine or CSM for short. My husband and I have been taking this for about one month and are finally seeing relief of mold symptoms for the first time since exposure in 1997.

I urge everyone that is going through this hell to at least check this website, I think that you'll find some helpful information. Best of luck, cherry haughton

----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Klein

Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 4:03 PM

Subject: Re: [] What is the connection?

Barbara, Have you had any improvemet with cholestryamine? And, if so, what is that improvement? Best regards,

Joe Barbara Herskovitz <bherk@...> wrote:

Dear Barbara,

I read your latest post about your exposure and illness. What do you think is the connection between your exposure to toxic molds and subsequently developing fibromyalgia? Can you walk me through it?

,

Here is my theory - for what it is worth. In my case, the exposure came when I was coping with an injury that required surgical repair and pregnancy. Exposure to the toxins produced by this group of molds can cause your immune system to become extremely depressed. Perhaps these organisms are capable of manipulating our biochemistry in some way in order to survive and be fed like the candida yeast does. So, say we are affected and begin to slowly crave more and more carbs which in turn feeds the yeast - it won't be long before we are overwhelmed by the yeast growth.

Perhaps some of our members who understand hypoglycemia could jump in here and explain it better but I do know this, people who have developed fibro actually begin to improve when they take guaifenesin. Initially, the symptoms are worsened, but they begin to clear the deposits that cause pain out because the guai allows the kidneys to function properly and deplete the excess phosphate. Hopefully, I didn't garble that too much but you basically go from exposure to sickness and stress, to immune depression to illness (in my case, fibro). This may be one factor in why one person is severely sickened and the person in the next office shows few, if any symptoms.

Now, if we could just develop a few tests to make early detection possible, perhaps there wouldn't be millions of people seeking disability.

BarbaraFAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

[Guest guest]

ALA can be used to get mercury out of the brain. In the book Amalgam Illness

Andy Cutler explains the protocol for this. Detoxing mercury is such a

nightmare.So many people get so much sicker trying to get it out of the

body. Unless you have really good liver kidney function you can end up just

moving mercruy into new places and getting sicker.

Can you tell me more on what your dr said.I've never used ALA but still have

mercury/thyroid problems.

Chantal

> something my primary care physician told me regarding Mercury is that

alpha

> lipoic acid can cause the release of mercury from other tissues and put it

> into circulation which then can deposit/wind up overloading the

thyroid......

> I have not researched this........

>

>

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[Guest guest]

what I posted was all she basically said.....that ALA could cause

problems........I did have mercury DMPS chelation by another

physician.......two treatments and spilled out a considerable amount without

any noticable clinical decline........and urine mercury 24hr challenge

indicated it was being spilled out.....of course the protocol was six

treatments but I did not have the monies at the time they were 150$ a

piece..... I would think the quickest way to bind it and get it out......

like DMPS.....is in consecutive IV treatments for it to work most efficiently

without re-deposit into other tissue/organs...keep the binders in their and

working and eliminating with urine challenges after each IV treatment to

factually see what is coming out....and proof to show quantities

excreted.......

All The Best,

Donna

In a message dated 1/7/02 10:52:48 PM, chantalh@... writes:

>Can you tell me more on what your dr said.I've never used ALA but still

>have

>mercury/thyroid problems.

>Chantal