Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Did he have rages even as a baby/toddler? Did he have irritable moods at certain times of the day. My daughter has always been more irritable and bored in the late afternood going into the evening. Then you add into the mix school stress or evening doing something fun ....wow it has gotten worse for us not better. Winter is harder for her, more irritable mood, harder to get to sleep at night. These has to be addressed. They need sleep. Mayo Clinic recommends up to 3mg of melatonin to reduce the AS kids difficulty in falling asleep. Some AS kids meltdown as an overload of stimulation or trying to get them to do something that they don't want to do. So reducing stimulation or even trying a medication like zoloft can help reduce stress that triggers these. It is a real journey trying to figure out how to help reduce these outburts. I started with trying to reduce school stress but then there was social stress to deal with later in middle school. I have tried behavior plans so that I am not yelling and escalating bad behaviors. This is really helpful. Sleep issues, have to be addressed to reduce irritable moods. Last you may need to try a stimulant or an anti-pyschotic medication. Medications like rispedal have been clinically studied and shown to reduce irritablity (rage) in As and autistic kids. I am still trying to find another anti-depressant for my daughter rather than an anti-psychotic drug. I just hate to make matters worse. I even had the DNA drug sensitity test done to see what medications will work better for her. Medications are hard to figure out. Kids with meltdowns are retreating. Kids with rage hit, bite, throw things are aggressive. Either can last 1-2 hours or more. I find that overload meltdowns when over are over. A irritable mood is not easy to get over and if they don't go to sleep they may cycle again through rage more than once a night. Hitting often is a stress reducing for some kids, it is a physical reduction in stress. So there is some reward to the brain in hitting. This has to be stopped before it gets to be a bad habit with a very well worked out behavior plan and if that doesn't work they really do need to start trying various medications. Pam n , Abatangelo <stephanie.abatangelo@...> wrote: > > Can anyone speak to the topic of rage cycles? My son (5 1/2) had another one > today over a valentine which lead into his sister using the blue band-aid. My > son is obsessed with Blue and trains. Everything has to be blue even down to > the library books he checks out weekly. > > I can't talk him down, I can't do anything but let him " work it out " in his > room. Today was another long one 2.5 hours of screaming and crying and shouting > at the top of his lungs. I did better today to not show my emotions or > frustration but I could use some advice. What works for you? How long is a > normal meltdown/rage? After both of these rages, he just wanted to sleep. They > are exhausting for me, I can't imagine what his little mind and body are > experiencing. > We did remove the corn starting today and I'll be researching the leucine-thank > you! > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit. > http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Thanks Pam!Thankfully he is a great sleeper... now:) CF seemed to help the sleep while Melatonin would get him to sleep but only for a few hours.My husband and I are a little leery of meds. I think we just don't know enough about them so they seem like the unknown to us. Our kinda "line in the sand" was if he was having trouble at school then we'd start seeking med help.As a baby he was always super fussy. His biting and tantrums started right before his 1 year apt. The ped. told me it was part of the Terrible Two's.His psychologist wants him to start seeing a phychiarist and this can probably lead to exploring the option of meds. The reason for this is for his anxiety, compulsions and anger.You've given me a lot to process. Thank you!Steph From: Pamela <susanonderko@...> Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011 9:18:16 AMSubject: ( ) Re: Rage Cycles Did he have rages even as a baby/toddler? Did he have irritable moods at certain times of the day. My daughter has always been more irritable and bored in the late afternood going into the evening. Then you add into the mix school stress or evening doing something fun ....wow it has gotten worse for us not better. Winter is harder for her, more irritable mood, harder to get to sleep at night. These has to be addressed. They need sleep. Mayo Clinic recommends up to 3mg of melatonin to reduce the AS kids difficulty in falling asleep. Some AS kids meltdown as an overload of stimulation or trying to get them to do something that they don't want to do. So reducing stimulation or even trying a medication like zoloft can help reduce stress that triggers these. It is a real journey trying to figure out how to help reduce these outburts. I started with trying to reduce school stress but then there was social stress to deal with later in middle school. I have tried behavior plans so that I am not yelling and escalating bad behaviors. This is really helpful. Sleep issues, have to be addressed to reduce irritable moods. Last you may need to try a stimulant or an anti-pyschotic medication. Medications like rispedal have been clinically studied and shown to reduce irritablity (rage) in As and autistic kids. I am still trying to find another anti-depressant for my daughter rather than an anti-psychotic drug. I just hate to make matters worse. I even had the DNA drug sensitity test done to see what medications will work better for her. Medications are hard to figure out. Kids with meltdowns are retreating. Kids with rage hit, bite, throw things are aggressive. Either can last 1-2 hours or more. I find that overload meltdowns when over are over. A irritable mood is not easy to get over and if they don't go to sleep they may cycle again through rage more than once a night. Hitting often is a stress reducing for some kids, it is a physical reduction in stress. So there is some reward to the brain in hitting. This has to be stopped before it gets to be a bad habit with a very well worked out behavior plan and if that doesn't work they really do need to start trying various medications. Pam n , Abatangelo <stephanie.abatangelo@...> wrote: > > Can anyone speak to the topic of rage cycles? My son (5 1/2) had another one > today over a valentine which lead into his sister using the blue band-aid. My > son is obsessed with Blue and trains. Everything has to be blue even down to > the library books he checks out weekly. > > I can't talk him down, I can't do anything but let him "work it out" in his > room. Today was another long one 2.5 hours of screaming and crying and shouting > at the top of his lungs. I did better today to not show my emotions or > frustration but I could use some advice. What works for you? How long is a > normal meltdown/rage? After both of these rages, he just wanted to sleep. They > are exhausting for me, I can't imagine what his little mind and body are > experiencing. > We did remove the corn starting today and I'll be researching the leucine-thank > you! > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit. > http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 After many years of frustration, I've learned what most of my son's triggers are. If there are specific things that are for Adam only, I will buy something similar to what Adam has for his little brother.I'm also lucky that Adam is old enough to have established routines to help his rage cycles. He will either read a book or listen to his MP3 player in his room for at least 20 minutes. We outgrew the screaming stage a long time ago, thankfully. Now he just... not the right words, but he hisses and spits. Kinda like a pissed off kitty.I don't know if that helps any, but it's what I've got.FawnFrom: Abatangelo <stephanie.abatangelo@...> Sent: Sun, February 13, 2011 10:41:32 PMSubject: ( ) Rage Cycles Can anyone speak to the topic of rage cycles? My son (5 1/2) had another one today over a valentine which lead into his sister using the blue band-aid. My son is obsessed with Blue and trains. Everything has to be blue even down to the library books he checks out weekly. I can't talk him down, I can't do anything but let him "work it out" in his room. Today was another long one 2.5 hours of screaming and crying and shouting at the top of his lungs. I did better today to not show my emotions or frustration but I could use some advice. What works for you? How long is a normal meltdown/rage? After both of these rages, he just wanted to sleep. They are exhausting for me, I can't imagine what his little mind and body are experiencing.We did remove the corn starting today and I'll be researching the leucine-thank you! Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Don't be flakey. Get for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 A very good book is " Clinical Treatment of Autism " by Dr. Hollander, it will educate you on medication and the potential benefits vs. adverse reactions. He provides concrete clinical data on children and percentages of responders etc. Pam > > > > Can anyone speak to the topic of rage cycles? My son (5 1/2) had another one > > today over a valentine which lead into his sister using the blue band-aid. My > > > son is obsessed with Blue and trains. Everything has to be blue even down to > > the library books he checks out weekly. > > > > I can't talk him down, I can't do anything but let him " work it out " in his > > room. Today was another long one 2.5 hours of screaming and crying and > >shouting > > > > at the top of his lungs. I did better today to not show my emotions or > > frustration but I could use some advice. What works for you? How long is a > > normal meltdown/rage? After both of these rages, he just wanted to sleep. > >They > > > > are exhausting for me, I can't imagine what his little mind and body are > > experiencing. > > We did remove the corn starting today and I'll be researching the leucine-thank > > > > you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > > in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit. > > http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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