Re: Writing issues WAS: does this happen to your child.. math?

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By 'do the work and make them learn', I meant 'spend the time to teach them and

get them the therapy needed so that that they can learn the necessary skills.'

My school system took the approach of changing the environment instead of

teaching the skills my son needed, and I pulled him.

I fully agree that handwriting is important, but these days CURSIVE really

isn't. When kids have serious handwriting issues, It makes more sense to spend

extra time working with them on their manuscript than to make things more

complex by adding cursive. The use of cursive is just about dead in society.

I probably wasn't clear, but my point about keyboarding was that it was making

cursive obsolete, not that it was a viable alternative to handwriting.

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> > If it's hard these days, they get rid of it.

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> > I'm with you, Barbara. I think it's important to teach this stuff too. It

goes beyond just writing. There are a lot of skills going on when this happens,

lots of connections get made in the brain that are good for long term learning.

It's scary to think people just dismiss it. If a child literally cannot write

in cursive, then there are a lot of problems going on that should be looked at

and addressed. Usually, they just say " Ok, no cursive " and everyone sighs in

relief. But nobody will address the core problems and they will cause other

deficits in other areas. The handwriting is just a symptom of other problems

going on - things like memory issues, visual perception issues, fine

motor...etc.

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> > I'm all for accommodations for kids but not to the extent that we get rid of

dealing with the actual problem. We do not really " get rid " of the problem,

we've just gotten rid of a symptom of the problem. Just a year ago I had an

evaluation done on my 10 yo ds (dyslexia) and one example of the problems he was

having was that given a month long chapter book reading assignment to complete,

he could not read the book fast enough to finish within one month. By month 3,

he was still reading the chapter book. So the " fix " to this (for the school

staff anyway!) was to get rid of the monthly reading assignments for my ds.

Problem solved. lol. I just shook my head (in defeat? how do you counter such

nonsense?) and tried to explain how this solved nothing. lol. But it's the

same with anything we do with our kids. Homework, handwriting, reading,

composition - whatever we allow our kids to be exempted from is only a short

term band aide over the problem and the longer we avoid dealing with the core

problems, the harder it will be to help these kids long term.

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> > Roxanna

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[Guest guest]

Dear Bucaroobonzai2003:

I thought the brain gained something from learning how to the cursive letters. Granted I print alot now, I am 50. My Dad has a realy hard to read type of penmenship. I have no Idea why I tried to type out some of his papers when He got his MBA.

Thornton

Re: ( ) Writing issues WAS: does this happen to your child.. math?

By 'do the work and make them learn', I meant 'spend the time to teach them and get them the therapy needed so that that they can learn the necessary skills.' My school system took the approach of changing the environment instead of teaching the skills my son needed, and I pulled him.I fully agree that handwriting is important, but these days CURSIVE really isn't. When kids have serious handwriting issues, It makes more sense to spend extra time working with them on their manuscript than to make things more complex by adding cursive. The use of cursive is just about dead in society.I probably wasn't clear, but my point about keyboarding was that it was making cursive obsolete, not that it was a viable alternative to handwriting.-> >> > > > If it's hard these days, they get rid of it. > > > > I'm with you, Barbara. I think it's important to teach this stuff too. It goes beyond just writing. There are a lot of skills going on when this happens, lots of connections get made in the brain that are good for long term learning. It's scary to think people just dismiss it. If a child literally cannot write in cursive, then there are a lot of problems going on that should be looked at and addressed. Usually, they just say "Ok, no cursive" and everyone sighs in relief. But nobody will address the core problems and they will cause other deficits in other areas. The handwriting is just a symptom of other problems going on - things like memory issues, visual perception issues, fine motor...etc. > > > > I'm all for accommodations for kids but not to the extent that we get rid of dealing with the actual problem. We do not really "get rid" of the problem, we've just gotten rid of a symptom of the problem. Just a year ago I had an evaluation done on my 10 yo ds (dyslexia) and one example of the problems he was having was that given a month long chapter book reading assignment to complete, he could not read the book fast enough to finish within one month. By month 3, he was still reading the chapter book. So the "fix" to this (for the school staff anyway!) was to get rid of the monthly reading assignments for my ds. Problem solved. lol. I just shook my head (in defeat? how do you counter such nonsense?) and tried to explain how this solved nothing. lol. But it's the same with anything we do with our kids. Homework, handwriting, reading, composition - whatever we allow our kids to be exempted from is only a short term band aide over the problem and the longer we avoid dealing with the core problems, the harder it will be to help these kids long term. > > > > > > > > > > Roxanna>

[Guest guest]

One point I disagree with is that cursive is obsolete or will be. For

some kids, cursive is much easier to learn and write than printing.

why do you say that? I am really surprised to hear so many people

saying this. My youngest had an OT eval last week and I talked with

the OT about this stuff. It was definitely interesting. I can see a

whole generation of kids who can't function without their blackberry's.

lol. yikes.

Roxanna

Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

Re: ( ) Writing issues WAS: does this happen to

your child.. math?

By 'do the work and make them learn', I meant 'spend the time to teach

them and get them the therapy needed so that that they can learn the

necessary skills.' My school system took the approach of changing the

environment instead of teaching the skills my son needed, and I pulled

him.

I fully agree that handwriting is important, but these days CURSIVE

really isn't. When kids have serious handwriting issues, It makes more

sense to spend extra time working with them on their manuscript than to

make things more complex by adding cursive. The use of cursive is just

about dead in society.

I probably wasn't clear, but my point about keyboarding was that it was

making cursive obsolete, not that it was a viable alternative to

handwriting.

-

> >

> >

> > If it's hard these days, they get rid of it.

> >

> > I'm with you, Barbara. I think it's important to teach this stuff

too. It goes beyond just writing. There are a lot of skills going on

when this happens, lots of connections get made in the brain that are

good for long term learning. It's scary to think people just dismiss

it. If a child literally cannot write in cursive, then there are a lot

of problems going on that should be looked at and addressed. Usually,

they just say " Ok, no cursive " and everyone sighs in relief. But

nobody will address the core problems and they will cause other

deficits in other areas. The handwriting is just a symptom of other

problems going on - things like memory issues, visual perception

issues, fine motor...etc.

> >

> > I'm all for accommodations for kids but not to the extent that we

get rid of dealing with the actual problem. We do not really " get rid "

of the problem, we've just gotten rid of a symptom of the problem.

Just a year ago I had an evaluation done on my 10 yo ds (dyslexia) and

one example of the problems he was having was that given a month long

chapter book reading assignment to complete, he could not read the book

fast enough to finish within one month. By month 3, he was still

reading the chapter book. So the " fix " to this (for the school staff

anyway!) was to get rid of the monthly reading assignments for my ds.

Problem solved. lol. I just shook my head (in defeat? how do you

counter such nonsense?) and tried to explain how this solved nothing.

lol. But it's the same with anything we do with our kids. Homework,

handwriting, reading, composition - whatever we allow our kids to be

exempted from is only a short term band aide over the pr oblem and the

longer we avoid dealing with the core problems, the harder it will be

to help these kids long term.

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> > Roxanna

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