Re: Doesn't qualify for an Asperger's diagnosis

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I would never take one person's (especially a SCHOOL'S) opinion of it NOT BEING AS. Truth is, our sons have Aspergers but at the University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics (which has a reputation around here now in 'our' community) says they are too smart to have Aspergers (hello---not an intellectual disabiliity) but their assessments and services read like the script of all the Asperger's books you can purchase. So, be 'relieved' if you want for personal reasons but would certainly suggest you STILL utilize the Asperger's information and tools to help parent your child, and one report saying isn't sure doesn't make it so! It took us 10 years with our 16 year old to ever hear the word Asperger's (about to change in the new DSM manual!---urg!): best word and informational source we ever have received! Good luck with your daughter: not trying to sound negative but rather, realistic!!!! Good luck.

Ruthie Dolezal

Mom of 2 N.T.

Mom of 2 with A.S.

From: andie6294@...Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:21:13 +0000Subject: ( ) Doesn't qualify for an Asperger's diagnosis

Hi Everyone,My daughter did a neuropsych evaluation over the course of a few months. We got the feedback on Friday. According to their testing, she doesn't qualify for an Asperger's diagnosis. They said this because she WANTS to be around people (she just reacts in strange ways that puts them off), she makes eye contact, she does the give and take conversation (to some degree...if she's not interested in what you're talking about, she will throw out some random thought to bring the conversation back to her interest).What it did conclude was that she has serious sensory issues that affect her impulsivity, concentration, motor skills, etc. They said that the deficit between visual and auditory learning was HUGE (she recalls more of what she hears than what she sees). She didn't quite meet the mark for a non-verbal learning disability, which means the school is probably going to poo-poo any type of extra help (although time management and organization are major problems). They did say that if she tested in the higher age group, she would have qualified. So that tells me that she definitely has it! It was just a matter of numbers, but the deficits shown were drastic.The good news is that she may be easier to help. We are fortunate enough to be going back to Colorado Soon. Denver is only a little over an hour away, and it is home to the STAR (sensory therapies and research) Center, which offers an intensive treatment program that could possibly do in 30 days what years and years of occupational therapy may achieve. We are a military family and we are trying to get our tour in Yuma, AZ cut by a year so we can get back to Colorado and start this treatment! Maybe with that, her impulsivity, lack of focus, handwriting, social skills, inability to plan and organize, and inability to track time will improve.She's never had meltdowns - tantrum type ones anyway - her 'meltdowns' manifest in a way that makes her look like a raving lunatic. When she is stressed, she will laugh, make obnoxious noises, throw herself on the ground, chew, or spin in tight circles for hours. As much as I convinced myself that she had Asperger's, she just doesn't meet the criteria. I am actually relieved, but of course, this means the school will continue to not recognize her needs.What I was getting at here is for those of you without a diagnosis, check out the sensory processing disorder message board. That may be more fitting for your kids than Asperger's. Hopefully, SPD will be added to the new DSM as a valid diagnosis in itself.Best of luck to you all.Andie

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I think the evaluation was wrong. I was told the same thing about both my

kids...They made eye contact, they wanted to be with people but didn't know how

etc. I listened and it kept my kids from being properly diagnosed(and treated)

until they were 9 & 12 years old. I know the thought of getting a second opinion

is ghastly. It's expensive, it's exhausting and they could be wrong again. I

suggest finding somebody who shares your beliefs in regaurds to Aspergers or

Autism and it's treatments. Whether it be an OT, a PT, a Psychiatrist or

whatever. My experience is OT's have similar beliefs with us biomed parents.

When you find someone, ask them if they recommed anyone to test your child.

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They said the exact same thing to me because I didn't stim enough (which I generally stim more when I am alone and stressed out, I was neither that day). The diagnosed me with general anixity and NVLD which for my purposes was just as good. But yea... they can be a pain.

Aspergers Treatment From: DOLEZAL123@...Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:37:37 -0600Subject: RE: ( ) Doesn't qualify for an Asperger's diagnosis

I would never take one person's (especially a SCHOOL'S) opinion of it NOT BEING AS. Truth is, our sons have Aspergers but at the University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics (which has a reputation around here now in 'our' community) says they are too smart to have Aspergers (hello---not an intellectual disabiliity) but their assessments and services read like the script of all the Asperger's books you can purchase. So, be 'relieved' if you want for personal reasons but would certainly suggest you STILL utilize the Asperger's information and tools to help parent your child, and one report saying isn't sure doesn't make it so! It took us 10 years with our 16 year old to ever hear the word Asperger's (about to change in the new DSM manual!---urg!): best word and informational source we ever have received! Good luck with your daughter: not trying to sound negative but rather, realistic!!!! Good luck. Ruthie DolezalMom of 2 N.T.Mom of 2 with A.S.

From: andie6294 Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:21:13 +0000Subject: ( ) Doesn't qualify for an Asperger's diagnosis

Hi Everyone,My daughter did a neuropsych evaluation over the course of a few months. We got the feedback on Friday. According to their testing, she doesn't qualify for an Asperger's diagnosis. They said this because she WANTS to be around people (she just reacts in strange ways that puts them off), she makes eye contact, she does the give and take conversation (to some degree...if she's not interested in what you're talking about, she will throw out some random thought to bring the conversation back to her interest).What it did conclude was that she has serious sensory issues that affect her impulsivity, concentration, motor skills, etc. They said that the deficit between visual and auditory learning was HUGE (she recalls more of what she hears than what she sees). She didn't quite meet the mark for a non-verbal learning disability, which means the school is probably going to poo-poo any type of extra help (although time management and organization are major problems). They did say that if she tested in the higher age group, she would have qualified. So that tells me that she definitely has it! It was just a matter of numbers, but the deficits shown were drastic.The good news is that she may be easier to help. We are fortunate enough to be going back to Colorado Soon. Denver is only a little over an hour away, and it is home to the STAR (sensory therapies and research) Center, which offers an intensive treatment program that could possibly do in 30 days what years and years of occupational therapy may achieve. We are a military family and we are trying to get our tour in Yuma, AZ cut by a year so we can get back to Colorado and start this treatment! Maybe with that, her impulsivity, lack of focus, handwriting, social skills, inability to plan and organize, and inability to track time will improve.She's never had meltdowns - tantrum type ones anyway - her 'meltdowns' manifest in a way that makes her look like a raving lunatic. When she is stressed, she will laugh, make obnoxious noises, throw herself on the ground, chew, or spin in tight circles for hours. As much as I convinced myself that she had Asperger's, she just doesn't meet the criteria. I am actually relieved, but of course, this means the school will continue to not recognize her needs.What I was getting at here is for those of you without a diagnosis, check out the sensory processing disorder message board. That may be more fitting for your kids than Asperger's. Hopefully, SPD will be added to the new DSM as a valid diagnosis in itself.Best of luck to you all.Andie

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forgive me if i am wrong, but i thought a qualification was that some AS kids

sought out relationships but did not understand how to make them work or grow.

i was told this by our pedi. he suggested we get my DD tested for ASD. I agree

with the others, i would seek out a second appointment with a child psych. or a

developmental pedi.

just my opinion

*Kat

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> They said the exact same thing to me because I didn't stim enough (which I

generally stim more when I am alone and stressed out, I was neither that day).

The diagnosed me with general anixity and NVLD which for my purposes was just as

good. But yea... they can be a pain.

>

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> From: DOLEZAL123@...

> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:37:37 -0600

> Subject: RE: ( ) Doesn't qualify for an Asperger's diagnosis

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> I would never take one person's (especially a SCHOOL'S) opinion of it NOT

BEING AS. Truth is, our sons have Aspergers but at the University of Iowa

Hospitals and Clinics (which has a reputation around here now in 'our'

community) says they are too smart to have Aspergers (hello---not an

intellectual disabiliity) but their assessments and services read like the

script of all the Asperger's books you can purchase. So, be 'relieved' if you

want for personal reasons but would certainly suggest you STILL utilize the

Asperger's information and tools to help parent your child, and one report

saying isn't sure doesn't make it so! It took us 10 years with our 16 year old

to ever hear the word Asperger's (about to change in the new DSM

manual!---urg!): best word and informational source we ever have received! Good

luck with your daughter: not trying to sound negative but rather, realistic!!!!

Good luck.

>

> Ruthie Dolezal

> Mom of 2 N.T.

> Mom of 2 with A.S.

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> From: andie6294@...

> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:21:13 +0000

> Subject: ( ) Doesn't qualify for an Asperger's diagnosis

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>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> My daughter did a neuropsych evaluation over the course of a few months. We

got the feedback on Friday. According to their testing, she doesn't qualify for

an Asperger's diagnosis. They said this because she WANTS to be around people

(she just reacts in strange ways that puts them off), she makes eye contact, she

does the give and take conversation (to some degree...if she's not interested in

what you're talking about, she will throw out some random thought to bring the

conversation back to her interest).

>

> What it did conclude was that she has serious sensory issues that affect her

impulsivity, concentration, motor skills, etc. They said that the deficit

between visual and auditory learning was HUGE (she recalls more of what she

hears than what she sees). She didn't quite meet the mark for a non-verbal

learning disability, which means the school is probably going to poo-poo any

type of extra help (although time management and organization are major

problems). They did say that if she tested in the higher age group, she would

have qualified. So that tells me that she definitely has it! It was just a

matter of numbers, but the deficits shown were drastic.

>

> The good news is that she may be easier to help. We are fortunate enough to be

going back to Colorado Soon. Denver is only a little over an hour away, and it

is home to the STAR (sensory therapies and research) Center, which offers an

intensive treatment program that could possibly do in 30 days what years and

years of occupational therapy may achieve. We are a military family and we are

trying to get our tour in Yuma, AZ cut by a year so we can get back to Colorado

and start this treatment! Maybe with that, her impulsivity, lack of focus,

handwriting, social skills, inability to plan and organize, and inability to

track time will improve.

>

> She's never had meltdowns - tantrum type ones anyway - her 'meltdowns'

manifest in a way that makes her look like a raving lunatic. When she is

stressed, she will laugh, make obnoxious noises, throw herself on the ground,

chew, or spin in tight circles for hours. As much as I convinced myself that she

had Asperger's, she just doesn't meet the criteria. I am actually relieved, but

of course, this means the school will continue to not recognize her needs.

>

> What I was getting at here is for those of you without a diagnosis, check out

the sensory processing disorder message board. That may be more fitting for your

kids than Asperger's. Hopefully, SPD will be added to the new DSM as a valid

diagnosis in itself.

>

> Best of luck to you all.

> Andie

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Hi..

My daughter has always sought out people and loves everyone ever since

she was 2 and we were told she was autistic. She just doesn't know how

to have a back and forth constructive conversation other than the

typical telling us what she wants or something like that. It's all about

her interests and thoughts and she never stops talking. She is

impulsive, hyper, inattentive and is having an ADHD eval on friday. She

is now diagnosed as Aspergers and she's 5. She's been in a special

school since 3 having had services since she was 2. Without those she

would just be plain autistic. But, Asperger's IS autistic... just high

end of the spectrum. They say you can't 'grow' within the spectrum but

my daughter did! She has always been highly intelligent partly due to

her incredible memory. IF this was done by the school, from what I've

learned over the years this isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

Jen :/

andie wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> My daughter did a neuropsych evaluation over the course of a few

> months. We got the feedback on Friday. According to their testing, she

> doesn't qualify for an Asperger's diagnosis. They said this because

> she WANTS to be around people (she just reacts in strange ways that

> puts them off), she makes eye contact, she does the give and take

> conversation (to some degree...if she's not interested in what you're

> talking about, she will throw out some random thought to bring the

> conversation back to her interest).

>

> What it did conclude was that she has serious sensory issues that

> affect her impulsivity, concentration, motor skills, etc. They said

> that the deficit between visual and auditory learning was HUGE (she

> recalls more of what she hears than what she sees). She didn't quite

> meet the mark for a non-verbal learning disability, which means the

> school is probably going to poo-poo any type of extra help (although

> time management and organization are major problems). They did say

> that if she tested in the higher age group, she would have qualified.

> So that tells me that she definitely has it! It was just a matter of

> numbers, but the deficits shown were drastic.

>

> The good news is that she may be easier to help. We are fortunate

> enough to be going back to Colorado Soon. Denver is only a little over

> an hour away, and it is home to the STAR (sensory therapies and

> research) Center, which offers an intensive treatment program that

> could possibly do in 30 days what years and years of occupational

> therapy may achieve. We are a military family and we are trying to get

> our tour in Yuma, AZ cut by a year so we can get back to Colorado and

> start this treatment! Maybe with that, her impulsivity, lack of focus,

> handwriting, social skills, inability to plan and organize, and

> inability to track time will improve.

>

> She's never had meltdowns - tantrum type ones anyway - her 'meltdowns'

> manifest in a way that makes her look like a raving lunatic. When she

> is stressed, she will laugh, make obnoxious noises, throw herself on

> the ground, chew, or spin in tight circles for hours. As much as I

> convinced myself that she had Asperger's, she just doesn't meet the

> criteria. I am actually relieved, but of course, this means the school

> will continue to not recognize her needs.

>

> What I was getting at here is for those of you without a diagnosis,

> check out the sensory processing disorder message board. That may be

> more fitting for your kids than Asperger's. Hopefully, SPD will be

> added to the new DSM as a valid diagnosis in itself.

>

> Best of luck to you all.

> Andie

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Sounds like my son!!

ly, I wish he had obtained an ASD diagnostic label - if only to be in a

better position to request funding for services that automatically become more

available to an individual who has an official diagnosis (at least where I am

located) - rather than simply stating, " Aspergers-like " . Without concrete

definition, we lack the ability to pursue increased aid time. (Though, like you,

I am pleased that he is high-functioning enough not to require the label...

This, however, is a double-edged sword!)

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>

> Hi..

>

> My daughter has always sought out people and loves everyone ever since

> she was 2 and we were told she was autistic. She just doesn't know how

> to have a back and forth constructive conversation other than the

> typical telling us what she wants or something like that. It's all about

> her interests and thoughts and she never stops talking. She is

> impulsive, hyper, inattentive and is having an ADHD eval on friday. She

> is now diagnosed as Aspergers and she's 5. She's been in a special

> school since 3 having had services since she was 2. Without those she

> would just be plain autistic. But, Asperger's IS autistic... just high

> end of the spectrum. They say you can't 'grow' within the spectrum but

> my daughter did! She has always been highly intelligent partly due to

> her incredible memory. IF this was done by the school, from what I've

> learned over the years this isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

>

> Jen :/

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My son also is highly social, loves being around people (otherwise who would listen to him talk nonstop about his fascinations), makes eye contact (less than other kids, but still makes it) etc. I don't believe the AS diagnosis requires a child to not be social, just to be unsuccessfully social in give and take situations (which my son is, at least with peers).

CaitlinEmbracing change as a blessing in disguise at www.welcome-to-normal.com--- In , H <jenuhferr@...> wrote:>> Hi..> > My daughter has always sought out people and loves everyone ever since > she was 2 and we were told she was autistic. She just doesn't know how > to have a back and forth constructive conversation other than the > typical telling us what she wants or something like that. It's all about > her interests and thoughts and she never stops talking. She is > impulsive, hyper, inattentive and is having an ADHD eval on friday. She > is now diagnosed as Aspergers and she's 5. She's been in a special > school since 3 having had services since she was 2. Without those she > would just be plain autistic. But, Asperger's IS autistic... just high > end of the spectrum. They say you can't 'grow' within the spectrum but > my daughter did! She has always been highly intelligent partly due to > her incredible memory. IF this was done by the school, from what I've > learned over the years this isn't worth the paper it's printed on.> > Jen :/> > andie wrote:> >> > Hi Everyone,> >> > My daughter did a neuropsych evaluation over the course of a few > > months. We got the feedback on Friday. According to their testing, she > > doesn't qualify for an Asperger's diagnosis. They said this because > > she WANTS to be around people (she just reacts in strange ways that > > puts them off), she makes eye contact, she does the give and take > > conversation (to some degree...if she's not interested in what you're > > talking about, she will throw out some random thought to bring the > > conversation back to her interest).> >> > What it did conclude was that she has serious sensory issues that > > affect her impulsivity, concentration, motor skills, etc. They said > > that the deficit between visual and auditory learning was HUGE (she > > recalls more of what she hears than what she sees). She didn't quite > > meet the mark for a non-verbal learning disability, which means the > > school is probably going to poo-poo any type of extra help (although > > time management and organization are major problems). They did say > > that if she tested in the higher age group, she would have qualified. > > So that tells me that she definitely has it! It was just a matter of > > numbers, but the deficits shown were drastic.> >> > The good news is that she may be easier to help. We are fortunate > > enough to be going back to Colorado Soon. Denver is only a little over > > an hour away, and it is home to the STAR (sensory therapies and > > research) Center, which offers an intensive treatment program that > > could possibly do in 30 days what years and years of occupational > > therapy may achieve. We are a military family and we are trying to get > > our tour in Yuma, AZ cut by a year so we can get back to Colorado and > > start this treatment! Maybe with that, her impulsivity, lack of focus, > > handwriting, social skills, inability to plan and organize, and > > inability to track time will improve.> >> > She's never had meltdowns - tantrum type ones anyway - her 'meltdowns' > > manifest in a way that makes her look like a raving lunatic. When she > > is stressed, she will laugh, make obnoxious noises, throw herself on > > the ground, chew, or spin in tight circles for hours. As much as I > > convinced myself that she had Asperger's, she just doesn't meet the > > criteria. I am actually relieved, but of course, this means the school > > will continue to not recognize her needs.> >> > What I was getting at here is for those of you without a diagnosis, > > check out the sensory processing disorder message board. That may be > > more fitting for your kids than Asperger's. Hopefully, SPD will be > > added to the new DSM as a valid diagnosis in itself.> >> > Best of luck to you all.> > Andie> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------> >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2686 - Release Date: 02/13/10 19:35:00> >> > > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2693 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00>

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My thoughts and unsupported speculation....

I think that what makes Asperger's so tough to deal with is that it encompass a

lot of other problems. For me, the difference between Asperger's and Attention

Deficit is the other issues that accompany them. Almost all kids with

Asperger's have attentional issues, and if they didn't, looking someone in the

eye wouldn't ever be a problem, nor would they have sensory integration issues.

MAYBE the difference in this regard is that with Asperger's the attentional

problem is of a sensory nature (sensory integration problems), and with

Attention Deficit the problem is generally a lack of focus or two much focus. I

also don't think Attention Deficit kids feel overwhelmed or underwhelmed by the

amount of stimulation they are receiving.

Asperger's also includes a lot of other issues like sensory integration

problems, anxiety and fears, obsessive/compulsive (OCD), sleep issues,

coordination problems (gross and fine motor), focused interest on a few things,

and what I would classify as a lack of social learning. Most kids just pick up

social rules innately, but these kids have to be taught the rules. Finally,

these kids are often extremely advanced in their area of focus and other

categories.

My son makes eye contract when he isn't overwhelmed, and likes to socialize, but

he just doesn't know how. In school, he was a bad fit because he was a couple

years ahead academically and he was behind both socially and in regards to

physical tasks. Nearly all of the issues that other parents on this board have

had, my son has.

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Wow, guys. I think I'm losing my mind!!! I so appreciate all of your input. I

thank you for making me realize that I shouldn't write off the possibility of

Asperger's regardless of what numbers came up on those tests. We are on our 3rd

medication for ADHD (4th if you count the naturopathic stuff I first tried a

couple years ago), and have had very little if any positive results from ANY of

them. Shouldn't this tell them that we're barking up the wrong tree? I keep

being told how long it can take to find the 'right' medication, and that we need

to give each of these ADHD meds at least 6 weeks and however many increases in

dosage before we try something else. It is very obvious, however, that if she

doesn't get her distractability and fine motor skills, and social issues, and

everything else under control enough to learn and retain these basics she is

being taught now, she will be at such a disadvantage in 2 more years that it

could be devastating.

By the way, this assessment was not administered by her school. She's not

enough of a disturbance to the class, and she needs to be falling 2 years behind

academically for them to shell out the $ for testing, etc. That's not very

likely to happen when she's only in 1st grade. Also, she's highly intelligent

and resourceful, so she compensates enough to get by. They don't want to waste

their time when they can play the wait-and-see game to give her time to 'mature

out of her issues'. I've been told by a number of professionals, and have read

enough on these boards, that kids start falling apart in 3rd grade. I'm TRYING

to be proactive here, but it seems I'm just making myself look like an ass

trying to prove to these uninformed people that there IS SOMETHING GOING ON THAT

SHE'S NOT GOING TO OUTGROW IN A YEAR, or two, or three, or ten, without the

proper treatment.

The testing was done by the Pediatric Neuro Assessment Program of Loma

University Hospital. It was a neurologist from the same hospital who gave the

Asperger's dx. Since she has it, regardless of what the PNAP tests revealed,

I'm going to use it to get what we need! The neurologist said that I could take

her to 5 different neurologists/psychiatrists/psychologists/developmental peds

and get 5 different diagnoses.

I keep telling myself I'm not going to write a novel each time I post, but it

always seems to turn out this way! Sorry about the lengthy scripts, but you guys

are really the only people who actually listen and understand exactly what I'm

talking about. Bless you all, because without this outlet, I'd have jumped off

a bridge already!

Andie

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Hi,

I have similar problem, the therapist and the psyquiatrist agree with the aspergers diagnosis, the neurosicologist does not give a diagnosis of aspergers but do not discarge the possibility.

I understand how you feeling sometimes I feel for jumping out of the bridge myself....

Anyway I pushed very hard in school and an aspegers specialists will help her to get through the transitioh.

By the way, it did not get better with age, it get worst....

I feel that she has a regression after the services stopped when she was taking by the school system...

I do not let her fall behind, I am always pushing her to do her homework and she is passing.

When she is faling behind I called the teacher and ask them when are they going to do something about helping her? then they get extra help for her...

Right now there is no money for the schools and the schools are really avoiding at all cost to spend money on testing..

Re: ( ) Doesn't qualify for an Asperger's diagnosisWow, guys. I think I'm losing my mind!!! I so appreciate all of your input. I thank you for making me realize that I shouldn't write off the possibility of Asperger's regardless of what numbers came up on those tests. We are on our 3rd medication for ADHD (4th if you count the naturopathic stuff I first tried a couple years ago), and have had very little if any positive results from ANY of them. Shouldn't this tell them that we're barking up the wrong tree? I keep being told how long it can take to find the 'right' medication, and that we need to give each of these ADHD meds at least 6 weeks and however many increases in dosage before we try something else. It is very obvious, however, that if she doesn't get her distractability and fine motor skills, and social issues, and everything else under control enough to learn and retain these basics she is being taught now, she will be at such a disadvantage in 2 more years that it could be devastating. By the way, this assessment was not administered by her school. She's not enough of a disturbance to the class, and she needs to be falling 2 years behind academically for them to shell out the $ for testing, etc. That's not very likely to happen when she's only in 1st grade. Also, she's highly intelligent and resourceful, so she compensates enough to get by. They don't want to waste their time when they can play the wait-and-see game to give her time to 'mature out of her issues'. I've been told by a number of professionals, and have read enough on these boards, that kids start falling apart in 3rd grade. I'm TRYING to be proactive here, but it seems I'm just making myself look like an ass trying to prove to these uninformed people that there IS SOMETHING GOING ON THAT SHE'S NOT GOING TO OUTGROW IN A YEAR, or two, or three, or ten, without the proper treatment.The testing was done by the Pediatric Neuro Assessment Program of Loma University Hospital. It was a neurologist from the same hospital who gave the Asperger's dx. Since she has it, regardless of what the PNAP tests revealed, I'm going to use it to get what we need! The neurologist said that I could take her to 5 different neurologists/psychiatrists/psychologists/developmental peds and get 5 different diagnoses. I keep telling myself I'm not going to write a novel each time I post, but it always seems to turn out this way! Sorry about the lengthy scripts, but you guys are really the only people who actually listen and understand exactly what I'm talking about. Bless you all, because without this outlet, I'd have jumped off a bridge already!Andie