Re: Helaing LG with NT diet only?

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I was *JUST* thinking about this... Like in the last 10 minutes, crazy!

I think that gluten definitely has to be avoided. What I'm trying for

myself right now is low grains (GF oatmeal and white rice), roots okay

(no potatoes though cause dd reacts), no sugar, and digestive enzymes

with every meal. In addition, I'm going low food chemical

(kinda-sorta Failsafe). I'm testing dd with ghee right now, and want

to introduce kefir as fast as possible.

I'd love to see a discussion on this!

On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 4:30 PM, JoyfulHeart

<beauty4ashesisaiah61@...> wrote:

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> If we do have leaky gut and we do not follow the GAPS or SCD diet and

> just eat NT will the gut never heal? I would think that curbing the

> use of grains and dairy and keeping dairy limited to ferments only -

> that maybe it would heal, maybe just take longer.

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> Does anyone know if this is true or not. Articles on the WAP site have

> plugs for drinking raw milk and how it does heal LG. So which is it?

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> TIA

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I've eaten NT for a couple of years and have continued to have leaky gut. I haven't eaten gluten and most other grains for that same time. But I think eventually if you truly stay strict on fermented dairy, lots of bone broths, probiotics, non-starch foods and very little grains you may heal the lining. However, what I found to be interesting is that I didn't know my daughter and I were so seriously sensitive to eggs, dairy, gluten, nuts and liver (nuts and liver are high in copper). I only found this out when taking them all out during the intro diet and then slowly adding them in. I really didn't realize how "sick" we were until we dropped everything (even very NT foods) and just began with stocks, meats, veggies and fats, and water kefir. I really think I need to take things slow like the GAPS diet encourages otherwise my body will continue to think that eggs, dairy and gluten are enemies rather than nourishing foods. Also candida can mutate and/or continue

to flourish on very little starch, they try very hard to survive.After feeling weak, tired, malnourished, experiencing major teeth issues, depression, diarrhea, persistent flus, a colicky baby etc, I'm very willing to take the long route to make sure my bad bacteria die, my lining is restored and a new good bacteria colony flourishes. So then I will be able to truly enjoy (and digest) an NT diet!!!JoyfulHeart <beauty4ashesisaiah61@...> wrote: If we do have leaky gut and we do not follow the GAPS or SCD diet and just eat

NT will the gut never heal? I would think that curbing the use of grains and dairy and keeping dairy limited to ferments only - that maybe it would heal, maybe just take longer. .

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Well i am finding i can't do it. I have been trying and i go off

with in a couple of days of trying. It is just too hard. I give up

on it.

If we do have leaky gut and we

do not follow the GAPS or SCD diet and

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[Guest guest]

Besides according to German New Medicine - it is all emotional roots

right

I am curious if anyone has read up on GNM and what you think about it.

How does it apply?

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> Well i am finding i can't do it. I have been trying and i go off

> with in a couple of days of trying. It is just too hard. I give up

> on it.

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[Guest guest]

> If we do have leaky gut and we do not follow the GAPS or SCD diet and

just eat NT will the gut never heal? Articles on the WAP site have

> plugs for drinking raw milk and how it does heal LG. So which is it?

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We have been eating NT diet for almost 4 years - including raw dairy and

soaked or fermented grains. This diet seems to work fine for me and my

2 oldest children. However, it appears that my youngest son (autistic

spectrum) and my husband (digestive issues) need more help.

We started with the Maker's Diet (and primal defense) which I believe

helped with my son's digestive problems. Then we added the raw dairy

and soaked grains. Couldn't really notice any specific changes, but we

all love it now and I still believe in it. We then tried NAET and

chiropractic. This helped significanly with sleep problems and ear

infections with my son. Then we added digestive enzymes and probiotics

to our NT diet and this made a dramatic difference for my husband and

son. Then we added coconut kefir (with lemon) and this also made a big

difference for my son and my husband.

Now we are starting the GAPS diet (the whole family) and bio-kult.

Guess what, I've already lost 3 pounds and I've only been doing this

diet for 3 days. My son's behavior has gotten better already. More

cheerful, more talkative and social, and less repetitive behaviors. My

husband said he feels better and he was really cheerful yesterday. I

have more energy and less brain fog issues. However, my daughter is

REALLY missing her cheese and her milk. She's a trooper. =)

[Guest guest]

It certainly wasnot true for our son.  He only got worse until we removed the problem foods.  Now he is in healing mode.MaureenOn Mar 9, 2008, at 8:30 PM, JoyfulHeart wrote:If we do have leaky gut and we do not follow the GAPS or SCD diet and just eat NT will the gut never heal? I would think that curbing the use of grains and dairy and keeping dairy limited to ferments only - that maybe it would heal, maybe just take longer. Does anyone know if this is true or not. Articles on the WAP site have plugs for drinking raw milk and how it does heal LG. So which is it? TIA

[Guest guest]

I too am anxious for more thoughts on how far one has to go.

I've been pondering it for a month now, as I keep improving my daughter's

diet and keep hoping I don't have to go all the way to intro :-/

I gathered from Dr. CMB's lectures that she starts people at different

levels of the diet depending on issues, so I'd LOVE to have a clearer

picture of that.

Take care,

Alice - HSing mom to Alice (w/DS) born Thanksgiving Day 1995 :-)

Hopewell Junction, NY http://www.frontiernet.net/~castella/

[Guest guest]

See the clearer pic would be good. I would have liked to see a section

in the book for those with less severe issues. Those coming from the C

end of things not the D issues. That is really the majority of our

problems and allergy stuff like Eczema/seasonal allergies. our kids

seem totally normal to us etc. I do not notice bouts of D with non D

or C. Or large pieces of food that have not been digested etc. With 4

kids and a carb addict Dh this is really hard to do this.

Especially my 2 yr old who cries to me that she wants milk and i can't

give her any since i am not sure it is a problem. I have not fully

removed dairy as i can't cook with out butter and still use store sour

cream once and a while. And kefir i still like it with my juice and

have a hard time with the thought it can cause probs when i ferment it

so long. I am not sure how lond the dairy has to be fully out - no

butter, s. cream etc... before i can let her try raw milk and see if it

bothers her. Any idea?

I am finding brkfst very hard as none of use want ot eat meat for

brkfst. We always had fruit and yogurt, or eggs and fruit. But we are

sick of eggs. Ugh!

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> > I gathered from Dr. CMB's lectures that she starts people at

different

> levels of the diet depending on issues, so I'd LOVE to have a clearer

> picture of that.

> Take care,

> Alice - HSing mom to Alice (w/DS) born Thanksgiving Day 1995 :-)

> Hopewell Junction, NY http://www.frontiernet.net/~castella/

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[Guest guest]

It depends on how bad the gut is, many times removing the offending foods illuminated by an IgG food panel and giving lots of probiotics, is enough, was enough here.

Re: [ ] Helaing LG with NT diet only?

It certainly wasnot true for our son. He only got worse until we removed the problem foods.

Now he is in healing mode.

Maureen

On Mar 9, 2008, at 8:30 PM, JoyfulHeart wrote:

If we do have leaky gut and we do not follow the GAPS or SCD diet and just eat NT will the gut never heal? I would think that curbing the use of grains and dairy and keeping dairy limited to ferments only - that maybe it would heal, maybe just take longer. Does anyone know if this is true or not. Articles on the WAP site have plugs for drinking raw milk and how it does heal LG. So which is it? TIA

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My experience is that any of the various issues/problems that people experience have emotional and other roots which can be reached through any number of healing techniques--many that are much more accessible (IMHO) than Dr, Hamer's New Medicine ( http://www.newmedicine.ca/ )--though his work is very interesting, especially his observations re brain scans-which are quite controversial.

Personally, I am an energy/spiritual healer and that is the primary mode I work in and use diet & food (physically based worked) in a supportive role. I think they work very well together and compliment each other. In general I believe people heal faster when working from both ends of the spectrum, dense physical energy (re food, exercise, etc) and subtler energies having to do with emotions, etc.

NAET by the way stands for Nambudripad's Allergy Elimination Technique and is an energetic way of addressing allergies http://www.naet.com/

Pellicer

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Joyful Heart wrote:

Besides according to German New Medicine - it is all emotional roots right ;)I am curious if anyone has read up on GNM and what you think about it. How does it apply?

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[Guest guest]

I had food allergy testing done. How do i know if it was the IgG? Or

does it matter? The food on the test results were foods i never eat

and hardly anyhting that i do eat came back as allergens. They drew

blood and tested against over 200 foods.

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> It depends on how bad the gut is, many times removing the offending

foods illuminated by an IgG food panel and giving lots of probiotics,

is enough, was enough here.

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