Guest guest Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I will try to find more about brain gym. My son is surely not constipated. He has pretty regular poop. I am worried that it should not end up being a habit as he grows older. :-( On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 6:30 AM, B <peter_2_@...> wrote: > > We are doing some massage type things with a specialist in removing birth > reflexes along the lines of Brain gym > > > > It is early days but it is working I think even after 2 weeks of it > > > > Good luck > > > > > > > From: johnalyssa43@... > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 22:29:27 -0800 > Subject: Re: [ ] Toe walking > > > > > > Has anyone seen help with toe walking using neuro-feedback to target the > part of the brain responsible for motor planning (cerebellum)? > > > > From: Arthi Nagaraj <arthi.nagaraj@...> > Subject: [ ] Toe walking > " autism treatment " <autism treatment > > Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:51 AM > > > > Did anyone have success in addressing toe walking in their kid? > > I have heard so many theories to address my sons problem but I am not > seeing a change. > > Sent from my iPhone > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 no. I had no idea. I will talk to his DAN. Did this help your child? On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Ann Schimka <aschimka@...> wrote: > > > Have you checked for clostridia??? > > > _____ > > From: < %40>[mailto: > < %40>] > On Behalf Of nafissa > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:33 AM > > < %40> > Subject: [ ] Re: Toe walking > > > > > > From: Arthi Nagaraj <arthi.nagaraj@ gmail.com> > > Subject: [ ] Toe walking > > " autism treatment " <autism treatment@ groups. > com> > > Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:51 AM > > > > Â > > > > Did anyone have success in addressing toe walking in their kid? > > > > I have heard so many theories to address my sons problem but I am not > > seeing a change. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Chelation using the AC protocol. This is a neurological issue. It's in all the tests for autism. Most likely cause is heavy metal toxicity causing problems with the brain and nervous system. The rest is all just like putting band-aids on bullet wounds, only a temporary relief. TJ ________________________________ From: Arthi Nagaraj <arthi.nagaraj@...> Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 7:28:04 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Toe walking  I will try to find more about brain gym. My son is surely not constipated. He has pretty regular poop. I am worried that it should not end up being a habit as he grows older. :-( On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 6:30 AM, B <peter_2_hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > We are doing some massage type things with a specialist in removing birth > reflexes along the lines of Brain gym > > > > It is early days but it is working I think even after 2 weeks of it > > > > Good luck > > > > > > > From: johnalyssa43 > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 22:29:27 -0800 > Subject: Re: [ ] Toe walking > > > > > > Has anyone seen help with toe walking using neuro-feedback to target the > part of the brain responsible for motor planning (cerebellum) ? > > > > From: Arthi Nagaraj <arthi.nagaraj@ gmail.com> > Subject: [ ] Toe walking > " autism treatment " <autism treatment> > Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:51 AM > > > > Did anyone have success in addressing toe walking in their kid? > > I have heard so many theories to address my sons problem but I am not > seeing a change. > > Sent from my iPhone > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 That makes the most sense of all. My son is a toe walker and I was told he has constipation, yeast, vision problems, sensory, etc., etc. We've treated yeast, vision and sensory, he's not constipated and he still walks on his toes. http://aydansrecovery.blogspot.com/2009_08_01_archive.html > > From: Arthi Nagaraj <arthi.nagaraj@ gmail.com> > Subject: [ ] Toe walking > " autism treatment " <autism treatment> > Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:51 AM > > > > Did anyone have success in addressing toe walking in their kid? > > I have heard so many theories to address my sons problem but I am not > seeing a change. > > Sent from my iPhone > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Mine did this too, but it got better with dietary intervention and chelation, can't pinpoint which - but it got better. > > > > > > From: Arthi Nagaraj <arthi.nagaraj@ gmail.com> > > > Subject: [ ] Toe walking > > > " autism treatment " <autism treatment> > > > Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:51 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Did anyone have success in addressing toe walking in their kid? > > > > > > I have heard so many theories to address my sons problem but I am not > > > seeing a change. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 We've been SCD for over 2 years so I'm not sure if diet has made much difference. I've been wanting to chelate but I'm nervous to do it without a doctor and right now we can't afford one. http://aydansrecovery.blogspot.com/2009_08_01_archive.html From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@...> Subject: [ ] Re: Toe walking Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 11:16 AM  Mine did this too, but it got better with dietary intervention and chelation, can't pinpoint which - but it got better. > > > > > > From: Arthi Nagaraj <arthi.nagaraj@ gmail.com> > > > Subject: [ ] Toe walking > > > " autism treatment " <autism treatment> > > > Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:51 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Did anyone have success in addressing toe walking in their kid? > > > > > > I have heard so many theories to address my sons problem but I am not > > > seeing a change. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 My son was tantrumming 1-2x/day (20 minutes at a time) and was biting and attacking me and his teachers....we did an OAT and the HPHPA marker was huge....As soon as I give him a little SB, the violence stops.... ANN [ ] Toe walking > > " autism treatment " <autism treatment@ groups. > com> > > Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:51 AM > > > > Â > > > > Did anyone have success in addressing toe walking in their kid? > > > > I have heard so many theories to address my sons problem but I am > > not seeing a change. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Many of us chelate with out a doctor, and without any problems. Keep the dose low and give antioxidants and it is very safe and effective. Follow the AC protocol. Much safer than what the doctors are reccomending. TJ ________________________________ From: April <april243@...> Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 12:50:31 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Toe walking  We've been SCD for over 2 years so I'm not sure if diet has made much difference. I've been wanting to chelate but I'm nervous to do it without a doctor and right now we can't afford one. http://aydansrecove ry.blogspot. com/2009_ 08_01_archive. html From: Liz <elizabethsoliday> Subject: [ ] Re: Toe walking Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 11:16 AM  Mine did this too, but it got better with dietary intervention and chelation, can't pinpoint which - but it got better. > > > > > > From: Arthi Nagaraj <arthi.nagaraj@ gmail.com> > > > Subject: [ ] Toe walking > > > " autism treatment " <autism treatment> > > > Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:51 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Did anyone have success in addressing toe walking in their kid? > > > > > > I have heard so many theories to address my sons problem but I am not > > > seeing a change. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 My son is potty training and he's mostly dry during the day but he still wears diapers at night. I was thinking I'd work on night training while doing the AC protocol since we have to wake up every 4 hours. It does sound safe and effective so I'm eager to start. http://aydansrecovery.blogspot.com/2009_08_01_archive.html From: Liz <elizabethsoliday> Subject: [ ] Re: Toe walking Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 11:16 AM  Mine did this too, but it got better with dietary intervention and chelation, can't pinpoint which - but it got better. > > > > > > From: Arthi Nagaraj <arthi.nagaraj@ gmail.com> > > > Subject: [ ] Toe walking > > > " autism treatment " <autism treatment> > > > Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:51 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Did anyone have success in addressing toe walking in their kid? > > > > > > I have heard so many theories to address my sons problem but I am not > > > seeing a change. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 My son (6 1/2 year old Aspie) just started toe walking. I'm wondering if anyone else has seen this start at 6. I was under the impression that toe walking started much earlier (an early " red flag " of autism that would be apparent at the start of the evaluation process). Up til now he has been only slightly below average sports-wise, and even successfully played soccer last fall. Those of you with experience, what can I do to help him? We already have an occupational therapist, whom I will get onboard ASAP --- but I know you all will have the most relevent and time-tested advice! Thanks in advance for your insight! -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Hi Eleanor,My son will be turning 10 in a couple of weeks. He has also been walking on his tip e toes since he was little. I always tried to remind him to walk heel to toe but it never helped. He even got yelled at by a teacher for walking on his toes but I did write a letter to his teacher and that seemed to help. I have tried for the last 3 years to get him checked by a foot doctor but either it was an insurance problem, then not getting the call about the actually appointment so we missed it. He has gotten tested from the school & they did not feel my son needed services for his toe walking. My husband & I finally stressed to his pediatric doctor that my son needs help & we are tired of being pushed aside because he is called brilliant..... I expressed I don't care how brilliant my son is, I just want him to get the help he needs because now he is experiencing pain when he walks.So finally we went to a neurologist, he is so concerned about his feet & wanted to know why his feet problems haven't been addressed... I told him we have been trying & keep getting pushed aside. This doctor is having my son go for a MRI of his brain & spine,legs/feet. He says my sons hip bones are placed to low & has 4 small bones, including 1 being his ankle bone & his heel bone. He thinks it might have something to do with his lower spine....he says that also can be part of why my son wets the bed & has problems pooping, he is always constipated & has to take miralax. My sons heelcords are extremely tight & he's stuck on his toes!!I am freaking out & cried all day Sunday because it's so hard to think he may need surgery- that's what I have been told. I'm trying not to think to far ahead & wait until we really know the details. Tomorrow I have to call to set up the MRI appointment, I just got the okay from the insurance.I'm sorry to ramble but reading your post I truely did not feel alone in my situation. It was a glimmer of hope that maybe he won't need surgery and if he does I will have support. I hope all is well with your son!! Thanks for sharing! Tina LedvinaOn Feb 2, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Eleanor Oster <pearl@...> wrote: My son has always walked on his toes which has made him prone to tripping or stubbing his toes. He is currently in casts on both legs to fix this. We went to physical therapy, but the PT tested his range of motion and strength, and said that no amount of exercise would fix those heelcords, that he needed casting. So we went to an orthopedist who specializes in kids and feet, and he agreed. I was worried that the casts would hurt Isaac or slow him down. Um, no, except for the first day or so when his muscles were a bit sore from the stretch. And the casts mean he has an excuse not to participate in PE, which is his least favorite class. He's supposed to get his casts changed after three weeks for new ones which further stretch the muscles and tendons. After about three weeks in the new casts, he'll get braces which will supposedly be for about a year. I have a strong suspicion that I'm Aspie too, since my son is SO much like me, and I was a toe walker too (drove folks NUTS!) until I got too heavy. Eleanor, San , CA Aspie son Isaac, 10.5 years old On 02/01/2011 19:12 , tsnoo1 wrote: My son (6 1/2 year old Aspie) just started toe walking. I'm wondering if anyone else has seen this start at 6. I was under the impression that toe walking started much earlier (an early "red flag" of autism that would be apparent at the start of the evaluation process). Up til now he has been only slightly below average sports-wise, and even successfully played soccer last fall. Those of you with experience, what can I do to help him? We already have an occupational therapist, whom I will get onboard ASAP --- but I know you all will have the most relevent and time-tested advice! Thanks in advance for your insight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 some orthopedic doctors use botox injections and braces instead of surgery. the botox relaxes the tendon so then they can stretch it out with therapy and a AFO ( ankle foot orthopedic) brace. I know my daughter has cerbral palsy and we used to stretch her out constantly to keep her from losing flexibility and keep the tendon from shortening. Look into all options In a message dated 2/2/2011 9:05:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tlledvina@... writes: Hi Eleanor, My son will be turning 10 in a couple of weeks. He has also been walking on his tip e toes since he was little. I always tried to remind him to walk heel to toe but it never helped. He even got yelled at by a teacher for walking on his toes but I did write a letter to his teacher and that seemed to help. I have tried for the last 3 years to get him checked by a foot doctor but either it was an insurance problem, then not getting the call about the actually appointment so we missed it. He has gotten tested from the school & they did not feel my son needed services for his toe walking. My husband & I finally stressed to his pediatric doctor that my son needs help & we are tired of being pushed aside because he is called brilliant..... I expressed I don't care how brilliant my son is, I just want him to get the help he needs because now he is experiencing pain when he walks. < br> So finally we went to a neurologist, he is so concerned about his feet & wanted to know why his feet problems haven't been addressed... I told him we have been trying & keep getting pushed aside. This doctor is having my son go for a MRI of his brain & spine,legs/feet. He says my sons hip bones are placed to low & has 4 small bones, including 1 being his ankle bone & his heel bone. He thinks it might have something to do with his lower spine....he says that also can be part of why my son wets the bed & has problems pooping, he is always constipated & has to take miralax. My sons heelcords are extremely tight & he's stuck on his toes!! I am freaking out & cried all day Sunday because it's so hard to think he may need surgery- that's what I have been told. I'm trying not to think to far ahead & wait until we really know the details. Tomorrow I have to call to set up the MRI appointment, I just got t he okay from the insurance. I'm sorry to ramble but reading your post I truely did not feel alone in my situation. It was a glimmer of hope that maybe he won't need surgery and if he does I will have support. I hope all is well with your son!! Thanks for sharing! Tina Ledvina On Feb 2, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Eleanor Oster <pearl@...> wrote: My son has always walked on his toes which has made him prone to tripping or stubbing his toes. He is currently in casts on both legs to fix this. We went to physical therapy, but the PT tested his range of motion and strength, and said that no amount of exercise would fix those heelcords, that he needed casting. So we went to an orthopedist who specializes in kids and feet, and he agreed.I was worried that the casts would hurt Isaac or slow him down. Um, no, except for the first day or so when his muscles were a bit sore from the stretch. And the casts mean he has an excuse not to participate in PE, which is his least favorite class. He's supposed to get his casts changed after three weeks for new ones which further stretch the muscles and tendons. After about three weeks in the new casts, he'll get braces which will supposedly be for about a year.I have a strong suspicion that I'm Aspie too, since my son is SO much like me, and I was a toe walker too (drove folks NUTS!) until I got too heavy.Eleanor, San , CA Aspie son Isaac, 10.5 years old On 02/01/2011 19:12 , tsnoo1 wrote: My son (6 1/2 year old Aspie) just started toe walking. I'm wondering if anyone else has seen this start at 6. I was under the impression that toe walking started much earlier (an early "red flag" of autism that would be apparent at the start of the evaluation process). Up til now he has been only slightly below average sports-wise, and even successfully played soccer last fall. Those of you with experience, what can I do to help him? We already have an occupational therapist, whom I will get onboard ASAP --- but I know you all will have the most relevent and time-tested advice! Thanks in advance for your insight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Toe-walking can, in fact, be related to visual-perceptual dysfunction, rather than the feet. You should have him tested first by an ophthalmologist, next by an Irlen Screener, and finally by someone specializing in prism lenses. If the ophthalmologist finds ocularmotor problems, he may prescribe exercises or send you to a vision therapist. If so, do that before Irlen or prisms. Best, Dena Page Irlen Screener > > My son (6 1/2 year old Aspie) just started toe walking. I'm wondering if anyone else has seen this start at 6. I was under the impression that toe walking started much earlier (an early " red flag " of autism that would be apparent at the start of the evaluation process). Up til now he has been only slightly below average sports-wise, and even successfully played soccer last fall. Those of you with experience, what can I do to help him? We already have an occupational therapist, whom I will get onboard ASAP --- but I know you all will have the most relevent and time-tested advice! Thanks in advance for your insight! > > -- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Hi , My son has been toe walking since his first step at 17 months. I am wondering if it is a stim of some sort- a sensory thing providing major feedback. The OT will help. Toe walking WILL NOT affect running, sports etc. The issues with toe walking are that it leads to tight heel cords so squatting is difficult and balance is tough since they can't " plant " their heel. We did casting- never tried Botox and don't recommend it. Since he just started he won't need any of that though as his heels won't be tight yet. The OT will be a huge help. I'd remind your son 500 times " flat feet " . Also have him walk on his heels and try to lift his toes off teh ground. As long as his foot can come to 90 degree angle it isn't going to hurt him. Hope that helps a bit? > > My son (6 1/2 year old Aspie) just started toe walking. I'm wondering if anyone else has seen this start at 6. I was under the impression that toe walking started much earlier (an early " red flag " of autism that would be apparent at the start of the evaluation process). Up til now he has been only slightly below average sports-wise, and even successfully played soccer last fall. Those of you with experience, what can I do to help him? We already have an occupational therapist, whom I will get onboard ASAP --- but I know you all will have the most relevent and time-tested advice! Thanks in advance for your insight! > > -- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Tina, My 10.5 yr old aspie has gone through the same thing. I would just wanted to give my 2 cents on surgery. There are major risks and other ways to address the heel cords. Over lengthening is the biggest risk leaving your child with an abnormal gait and causing more complications as he grows- as the bone grows the tendons will re-tighten so they over lengthen to accommodate for the nest two growth spurts. I would try to wait until he has reached maturity to lengthen them if they haven't loosened at all. You need an OT to eval his feet/legs. IMHO > >> > >> > >> My son (6 1/2 year old Aspie) just started toe walking. I'm wondering if anyone else has seen this start at 6. I was under the impression that toe walking started much earlier (an early " red flag " of autism that would be apparent at the start of the evaluation process). Up til now he has been only slightly below average sports-wise, and even successfully played soccer last fall. Those of you with experience, what can I do to help him? We already have an occupational therapist, whom I will get onboard ASAP --- but I know you all will have the most relevent and time-tested advice! Thanks in advance for your insight! > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Completely agree with . From: AP Girl <julia.colleen@...> Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 8:08:29 AMSubject: Re: ( ) toe walking Tina, My 10.5 yr old aspie has gone through the same thing. I would just wanted to give my 2 cents on surgery. There are major risks and other ways to address the heel cords. Over lengthening is the biggest risk leaving your child with an abnormal gait and causing more complications as he grows- as the bone grows the tendons will re-tighten so they over lengthen to accommodate for the nest two growth spurts. I would try to wait until he has reached maturity to lengthen them if they haven't loosened at all. You need an OT to eval his feet/legs. IMHO > >> > >> > >> My son (6 1/2 year old Aspie) just started toe walking. I'm wondering if anyone else has seen this start at 6. I was under the impression that toe walking started much earlier (an early "red flag" of autism that would be apparent at the start of the evaluation process). Up til now he has been only slightly below average sports-wise, and even successfully played soccer last fall. Those of you with experience, what can I do to help him? We already have an occupational therapist, whom I will get onboard ASAP --- but I know you all will have the most relevent and time-tested advice! Thanks in advance for your insight! > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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